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baby. and despite the latest round of attacks, president zelenskyy says he is meeting with top u.s. officials in kyiv today. secretary of state blinken and secretary of defense austin. zelenskyy pulling no punches about what he expects from that visit. >> translator: why is it important for leaders to come to us? i will give you a pragmatic answer. because they should not come here with empty hands now. we're waiting not for just presents or cakes, we are expecting specific things and specific weapons. >> let's turn to matt rivers in kyiv. matt, more heavy shelling taking place in eastern ukraine. potentially as the backdrop of this meeting that zelenskyy says was to happen today. what more are we hearing about what's happening? >> reporter: just to run through the general headlines first, fred, in terms of what we're seeing with this renewed russian offensive here in ukraine. unfortunately, it is more of the same. we have seen reports of eight people killed in the donetsk region. several people killed in the luhansk region both in the eastern part of the country making up the donbas region where russia has focussed the efforts in this latest offensive. but we've also seen shelling continuing in places like zaporizhzhia, more toward the central part of the country where ukrainian officials say three people working in their garden, basically just civilians, were killed by russian shelling. and also we heard a lot from ukrainian officials today about the southern city of herson. russia is trying to build out from it as it attempts to take more territory in the southern part of the country with one ukrainian official saying it is on the verge of a, quote, humanitarian catastrophe. taken altogether, it's more of the same. russia's offensive continuing to target civilian areas. it's something we've seen consistently in the southern city of mariupol for weeks which has been besieged by russian forces for a long time now. as you mentioned off the top once again, an evacuation humanitarian corridor not agreed to which means the tens of thousands of people that should be evacuated from that place are not allowed to do this. this with the backdrop of orthodox sunday being celebrated and the message -- the supposed meeting between president zelenskyy and also secretary of state blinken and secretary of defense austin still not confirmed to have happened in kyiv, despite that it was said the meeting was happening. perhaps the white house kind of following standard diplomatic protocol and waiting for the leaders to leave the country before giving us details about what was said. >> right. security is paramount, and i'm sure it changed plans a lot after president zelenskyy made this expected meeting public. matt rivers, thank you so much. let's get back to other breaking news. this time out of france where french president macron is projected to win his second five-year term. analysis of early results show him defeating his far right challenger le pen who has con seeded. cnn's diplomatic editor nic robertson is with us. she conceded but said this is a victory. why? >> reporter: because she did better than in previous elections. she wanted to g-up her supported. she said we're going into parliamentary elections within the next few weeks. so in june they have parliamentary elections in france. she wants to get her supporters out for that. so this is a sort of her claiming of victory. making it -- a turn toward the next elections. no mention of president macron in her speech either. so this is really all about her next move. not getting out of politics clearly. not getting out of populist right wing french politics. that's her position. it didn't do her enough good, but i think to get to the essence of why she calls it a victory, she's a politician. they're always going to try to define even a loss as a positive thing. she's got a lot of applause from her supporters. she lost significantly, the reality is. >> and as for macron, what kind of reaction across france and europe? >> yeah. french i think there's a lot of relief among obviously all his supporters. significantly there's quite a chunk of the population who didn't show up to vote, and that's got to be a concern for other political figures in france. and we heard from the sort of the third party runner up, the socialist. he came out and spoke after le pen's concession speech and told his supporters get out the vote for the parliamentary elections coming up. so i think there's a real sense in the political class in france that you know, there's a segment of the population that feel disenfranchised. there are warm reception in europe. i mean, you had the european commission president saying tweeting out dear macron. it's almost as if the european leadership twitter sphere lit up as a result became announced. you've had the belgium prime minister, finish prime minister, the dutch prime minister saying heart felt congratulations. the czech prime minister saying heart felt congratulations. luxembourg prime minister, happy to be working with you again. the prime minister in ireland saying you're a principaled leader. we need your leadership. this is it. the reality is there's a real sense of relief. had le pen won, there would have been a great deal of concern about the unity of the european union, and her position quite a pro-putin position really disrupting the strength of the european union at a time when it really needs to be facing off against russia. so that relief. it's. >> the speed they came, what's saying is palpable. >> macron feeling a lot of love. now, how about from the white house? what has been said from the white house? >> i'm going to have to tell you here, i'm not getting that here yet. i've been up to my ears in the tweets that we've been getting in from the europeans. but this has to be good for the white house. right? the last thing they would need would be a divided european union, a fractious european union. you know, in the past le pen had been talking about trying to pull france out of nato. so that's clearly not in the white house's interest. i haven't seen what the white house has said, but i can only imagine they're going to be breathing a sigh of relief and are happy about this, too? . >> nic, get become to reading the pile of tweets that seem to be pouring in as a result of the macron's win. coming up, fallout continues over the explosive leaked audio of u.s. house minority leader kevin mccarthy. why one u.s. senator is calling him a, quote, liar and traitor. e balancing so you stay cool. sasave $1,000 on our most popular smart bed. plus 0% intnterest for 36 months on all smart beds. ends monday. do you think any of us will look back in our lives, and regret the things we didn't buy? 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step down. cnn's eva is joining us if from washington. >> fred, senator warren's beef with minority leader mccarthy is that he was saying one thing to the possible and something entirely different in private. he's likely not going to be all that concerned about her. his issue, though, could be with the maga faction of the republican caucus. i don't know anybody in this town who wants to be speaker of the house more than kevin mccarthy. that's going depend on house republicans taking back the house in 2022. in the bake of this audio, the former president and congressional republicans seem to be sticking with him for now, but that could change. trump is not a reliable ally to republicans. we've seen him give enforcements only to yank them away. it doesn't seem as though there will be any immediate political consequences for mccarthy q but the lie was bold and noteworthy. >> all right. covid and ukraine still top of mind throughout washington. congress returning from a two-week break. president biden is expected to ask lawmakers for more give on those areas. >> reporter: that's right. house speaker nancy pelosi's office says she wants to bring ukraine aid to the floor as soon as possible, but not offering a specific timeline as yet. the funding measure is expected to have wide bipartisan support. but some of the open questions of will this bill include more covid funding or if other unrelated policy differences that happened from time to time will derail progress on moving those issues across the finish line. >> thank you so much for that. and now returning to that conse consequence vote where macron is expected to win the second five-year term. early analyst shows him defeating le pen who has conceded. our correspondent at both campaign head quarters, let's begin with jim bitterman at le pen's head quarters where she conceded. and how did the audience react? >> well, she did concede, and the audience booed, but that was about the extent of her concessions, because as she went onto make a very fiery speech, she did not congratulate mr. macron. she didn't say that she was going to be willing to work together with mr. macron for the good of the french people, the kind of thing she says she stands for. she said that throughout her campaign. so, in fact, it was a concession speech but not much of a concession. she said that they were going to fight on this. their group and party was going to fight on for the will of the french people to address subjects like cost of living and how hard it is for the average frenchman on the street, a subject she says mr. macron has ignored. what they've looking ahead for is a victory in the legislative elections that are coming up in june. if they win any kind of a sizable majority in the parliament, they along with the left, could, in fact, frustrate mr. macron's plans. he hasn't had this situation before, because he's been in office five years. he's had a parliament that's basically on his side. he's been an executive and the legislative branch has been on his side. so he's been able to do quite a few things. not all these things the french people like, obviously. because of the way they voted today. >> all right. jim bitterman, thank you so much. let's turn to melissa bell joining us on the phone from macron head quarters. so melissa, has macron shut up there yet? >> he has showed up to an ecstatic crowd. he watched a very -- and the party is going on here. at the foot of the eiffel tower. he's to take the stage fairly soon to make his speech on those results. we've seen over the course of the last two minutes, a difference between the far right and widen ever so slightly as in his favor. so i think what we expect to hear from him tonight is french president much relieved at the victory -- not just for the people of france but for europe as well, for the war in ukraine, for so many issues far beyond france this quarter. but beyond that relief, i think you're going to hear -- and the more than 50% of the voter who is in the first round voted for either extreme left or extreme right candidates. and fredricka, that speaks to the great divisions in french society. here's a president well-respected, well-liked, well recognized, and who simply is device niv this country. so i think tonight you're going to hear the beginning of his pitch for what he hopes to do over the next five years. he intends for it to be different. this is a country that -- and that in any case, the confirmation last night -- landscape redrawn. 2017, the old left and right were stepped aside. again, that was confirmed with the second round vote tonight. he has better with a greater proportion of votes than the polls predicted. he's done well. that's why the supporters are pleased tonight. there's a lot that sticks if he's going to get through the next five years and build the majority he needs in parliament next month. >> it looks like from the pictures they're ready for a big party at macron head 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you. you wrote an op ed piece simply titled "photographing hell". while you were looking at the images out of bucha, you say one of the first things you thought of was what you saw in jonestown in 1978 which was a massacre of more than 900 americans who were members of a religious cult after drinking poison. a photograph you took that day was put on the cover of "time" magazine for the world to see. i'm going to ask you more about the images of ukraine, but in that moment, why did that come to mind for you? >> well, it was one of the worst days of my life, having to see that, and that image on the cover of "time" just stopped people in their tracks, really. it's hard to imagine that happened. it's hard to imagine what's going on right now in ukraine, and the similarity between i what i saw in jonestown and bucha particularly, really drove it home, and i think that's what made everybody kind of look twice and say, oh, my god, this is not random violence. people are -- russian soldiers are executing people. and leaving their bodies laying around on the street. it's almost like can this really be happening? is this real? that's what the images, your images and the images we're seeing out of ukraine do. it helps people open their eyes. right? sadly. so your photographs from vietnam won a pulitzer prize. one of your photos is eerily similar to what we saw from bucha taken by carol guzi which is very graphic. it's hard to look at. showing someone in a body bag. talk to us about the power of the photographs and the parallels. >> well, it's so bizarre, because i was looking through some of my vietnam stuff. the guy i photographed was a prisoner of war who was alive, but it really was similar. but the thing about carol's picture, and by the way, it's one of the best coming out of ukraine. and that's saying something. there are so many great photographers there. this one i immediately started wondering what was it the guy saw just before he was shot, and it almost like in death, there's a resolve that's metaphor for how the ukrainian people are dealing with all of this. i mean, it's really hard to imagine, and carol guzi who is a four-time pulitzer prize winning photographer. one of the best in the planet if not the best, we got some video in from her in ukraine, and she said who would do this? as she's looking around at the devastation. who would do this? and thank god there are photographers to show what they are doing. and it's really hard to look at. >> yeah. i mean, as soon as i saw that image, the image for the first time, i saw that's a pulitzer prize winning image, and it's a duplicate of the same kind of pulitzer prize winning image that you captured. in your new york times essay, you say you're getting tired of the disclaimers that say waning, graphic material. the best photos of the war may want to make us look away. it's imperative that we do not. i mean, what -- i know there's no motivation when you're taking the shot, but now we have the results of that moment that you eyewitnessed that many photographers like guzi capture. what are you hoping is the consequence of taking that shot? what are you hoping it will do to people as they see it? >> well, i'm really sorry that these pictures aren't being shown in context in russia. i mean, it's russia who is attacking innocent ukrainians, and the people there won't even really know what's going on. and one thing about photographs, i mentioned it in the piece, but photographs go over the head of disinformation. they go over the head of people talking about them, and they go right into your own heart and soul. however, you need to know what the context is for those pictures. and they do make a difference. we photographers aren't taking pictures to change the world, but sometimes those images do. and by the way, carol guzi, lindsey, carolyn cole, erin tribe and heidi lavine, six great women photographers on top of a bunch of guys over there, the cream of the top of photography is in ukraine right now. thank god for that. they're sensational. i admire them, and they're doing the kind of work that is so important. >> you mentioned you wish the people in russia could see these images because they are not. everything is censored, and they -- the government has said, you know, that they just really don't want people to know the truth. they're telling them what they believe is the truth. however, some people have become rather inventive and figured out ways in which to see the images of war. to get the information of war. what is that like to be -- >> sorry. >> what is that like to be a part, a tool to help do that? go ahead. >> yeah. i'm sorry. so the -- i'm always getting criticized for interrupting. so -- the pictures need context, too. you see the people, the bodies on the street. it was funny, because i watched the u.n. ambassador from russia sitting in the assembly hall at the u.n. as they showed those pictures, and he's just looking at them very passively, and you know that they're telling a different story. if you do see these pictures in russia, you're not getting the same message. you could bet no one is saying in russia, here are the results of our soldiers executing people on the street. women, children, and thousands of people. i mean, this is a sickening thing that we're looking at. >> uh-huh. u.s. photographers are tools. your images are tools. they will consequently become proof of the war crimes as well. >> right. i don't know how that works legally and all that, but photographers are -- they're shooting it for the record. this is documenting truthfully. these are people like the wire photographers, the newspaper photographers, these are professional people who are not messing around with the content of the photographs. what you're seeing is the truth. the messengers are the best in the business, and they are showing you reality. >> yeah. david hume-kennerly, thank you so much. sadly, beautiful work, passionate work, and very 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covid-19 response coordinator appeared on cnn's state of the union today. he says the cdc should have been allowed to complete the 15-day review on masking before a federal judge struck down the mandate affecting travelers. here's what else he told cnn's dana bash. >> case numbers are rising. driven by this ba-2 sub variant of omicron. we're going to see cases go up and down. make sure hospitalizations and deaths are not rising in any substantial way. looking at variants, paying close attention. let's see where the next few months ago. i'm concerned and we're going to watch the numbers. at this point, i am confident we're going to get through this without disruption. >> all right. let's bring in professor of emergency medicine an associate dean of public health at brown university, doctor meghan ranny. doctor, ranny, what does he mean? the doctor is planning the best way to proceed? >> it is aligned with the cdc plan and what we are seeing across the country and globe. thanks to vaccines, boosters, and the original omicron surge, as well as increased availability of treatment, where we are today is so different from where we were in january. much less last fall or last spring. right now case numbers matter, but what matters so much more are hospitalizations and deaths. in my own state of rhode island, we have seen a surge in case numbers for weeks now. but our hospitalization numbers still remain low. it says to me we're doing the right thing for you. let folks mask if they want. this is not a moment where we have to go back to mandates except for on public transport, of course, which we may have lifted anyhow on may 3rd had we had the time to do that. it is a different moment than it was a few months ago. >> yeah. so we've also all become accustomed to the term long covid. there still are questions about how it will continue to impact so many of us. what more can be done to get a better understanding of it? >> that's a great question. long covid is one of the questions folks frequently ask me about when i say it's not a moment for mask mandates. covid is not a pleasant disease, even if it doesn't cause hospitalization or death. it is certainly more difficult to deal can with than the flu for many, and there is a significant portion of folks who catch covid who go on to have long-term symptoms. for many, the symptoms last for a month or two months. they have fatigue or brain fog or difficulty breathing. for some, it's longer than three months. that's what long covid is. the trouble is because covid is so new, we don't know a lot about long covid yet. at brown we're doing some research on it. there's been a substantial investment by the nih. right now the best evidence shows if you're vaccinated, particularly vaccinated and boosted, you're not just less likely to catch covid but less likely to have long covid. there's -- the pills you can take at home might also decrease symptoms. we're trying to figure out how best to prevent it and how to treat it. >> we're learning about 40% of covid deaths reported in january and february were from involving people who were vaccinated only about 30% of americans have received a booster. so given the vaccine effectiveness, given the way in which this virus seems to change or modify itself, what should be our approach on our expectations, boosters every year? or will that be changing, too? >> yes. so that stat you quoted, i want to switch it in the other direction. 90% of folks who died during january and february were not vaccinated and boosted. and those who did die who were vaccinated and boosted were generally old with co-morbidities. the third shot is essential, especially for folks who are high risk for severe covid. i expect going forward we are going to be looking at yearly boosters of covid shots to prevent severe disease, to boost our immunity and possibly to deal with variants. similar to how we get nearly flu shots. but the fact remains that the primary series, the first two 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front yard in the town of venice. just like that. just going out for a stroll. and after finding a comfortable resting spot, what's believed to be a ten-foot long gator eventually did make its way to a nearby lake without incident. everyone needs to take note of that lake. don't go in. and he wasn't the only oversized reptile, by the way, to make a surprise appearance there. this week this one right here was enough to stop traffic in venice just a few days later. all right. there is more security in the stands at yankee stadium today after an ugly scene that unfolded saturday. cnn's coy wire has this latest example of fans behaving badly. >> reporter: fred, an ugly scene unfolding at yankee stadium for what should have been a good moment early in the season here for the team and the fans. but fans reportedly heckling an outfielder after he was hurt running into the wall. his teammate was livid. he scales the wall, saying after some of the stuff that was said wasn't going to fly with him. you can see teammates holding him back. moments later the yankees win. the fans turn it up a notch. they throw all kinds of objects on to the field at cleveland players. even the yankees stars judge and carlos running out there to tell them to knock it off. after the game, straw didn't back down. >> i've never seen anything like this anywhere else. they chirped. that's fine. i have the fun group up in center. it's every game here. they're fine. they can flick me off, stay stuff about my family. i don't care about that, but someone when is hurt, you don't prey on that. >> straw went onto call the fan base classless. several yankees players after condemning the actions including the manager saying they need to carry a bit of respect with them. the two teams facing off again today in the bronx. >> yeah. nobody likes fans out of control. coy wire, thank you so much. a preview of cnn's new film that explores how alexi navalny ended up in jail after surviving an alleged murder attempt. 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kill with novemb novichok and he opened his blue eyes wide and looked at me and said very clear -- >> come on. poisoned? i don't believe it. like he's back. putin's not supposed to be not so stupid to use this novichok. >> if you want to kill someone, just shoot him. >> jesus christ, like real, alexei. impossible to believe it. it's kind of stupid. the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon. this is why this is so smart. because even reasonable people, they refuse to believe it. >> what? come on. poisoned? seriously. >> and there it was. joining us now, chief international correspondent, clarissa ward. you're part of this investigation top to bottom. i mean, talk to us about russia's security services and russia denying of course that they played any role in navalny's poisoning. how difficult was it to get this kind of information? >> well, it wasn't as difficult as you might imagine in the sense that russia's security services trade craft is actually a lot sloppier than you might have expected and belen cat, a brilliant investigator, was able for a combination of tenacity and smarts and exploring areas of the gray market in russia to essentially put together a treasure-trove of documentation that placed this group of men, this so-called toxins team, in the same locations as alexei navalny more than 30 times in the space of several years. just to give you an example of the sloppy trade craft, one of the would be asas ins turned on his cell phone near a hotel where navalny was staying the night he was poisoned. that ping was the moment where cristo and others involved in this investigation became very much aware of the fact that this was not some kind of a conspiracy. that actually this had really happened because as you heard in that clip there, the objective when the kremlin does or authorizes something as audacious as this is that the reaction of most people would be that's absurd. putin would never use something as obvious as novichok, which is basically only made in russia, to poison his leading opposition threat. yet what we discovered, that's exactly what happened. >> and what is it about navalny that apparently poses such a threat to putin that he would want him dead? >> well, i think this is a question that a lot of people have been asking themselves because on paper, president putin's approval ratings are very high. alexei navalny, while he has galvanized a huge amount of support among young people, he hasn't necessarily got anything like the sort of ratings that president putin would have, but what navalny was able to do was tap into the achilles heel of the kremlin and its cronies and the vast corruption that underpins this. and by creating this youtube channel and this group where he would launch these investigations then publish them, he really started to hit the kremlin where it hurt by embarrassing them, by h humiliating them. by making the broader public who have been struggling for years aware of the levels of greed and corruption and the ways in which that greed and corruption were ultimately robbing the country and robbing them. i also think there's a sense more broadly speaking that president putin does not have a high tolerance for opposition of any kind. you may remember another leading opposition figure who was shot dead just a few hundred yards away from the kremlin. so navalny is not the first but certainly this case one of the most extraordinary. >> yeah. and on the anniversary of that killing. just a few weeks ago. in fact, people were leaving candles, paying homage to him and helping people remember. thank you so much for that. we'll be watching this evening. no one wants to miss this sundance award winning film, navalny tonight at 9:00. the "cnn newsroom" continues with jim acosta right now. you are live in the "cnn newsroom." no truce today for orthodox easter in ukraine as russia contin continues attacks and a steel plant sheltering civilians is under constant bombardment. an evacuation corridor did not open today and was shut down by russian forces on saturday. some mariupol citizens were forcibly deported to areas

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baby. and despite the latest round of attacks, president zelenskyy says he is meeting with top u.s. officials in kyiv today. secretary of state blinken and secretary of defense austin. zelenskyy pulling no punches about what he expects from that visit. >> translator: why is it important for leaders to come to us? i will give you a pragmatic answer. because they should not come here with empty hands now. we're waiting not for just presents or cakes, we are expecting specific things and specific weapons. >> let's turn to matt rivers in kyiv. matt, more heavy shelling taking place in eastern ukraine. potentially as the backdrop of this meeting that zelenskyy says was to happen today. what more are we hearing about what's happening? >> reporter: just to run through the general headlines first, fred, in terms of what we're seeing with this renewed russian offensive here in ukraine. unfortunately, it is more of the same. we have seen reports of eight people killed in the donetsk region. several people killed in the luhansk region both in the eastern part of the country making up the donbas region where russia has focussed the efforts in this latest offensive. but we've also seen shelling continuing in places like zaporizhzhia, more toward the central part of the country where ukrainian officials say three people working in their garden, basically just civilians, were killed by russian shelling. and also we heard a lot from ukrainian officials today about the southern city of herson. russia is trying to build out from it as it attempts to take more territory in the southern part of the country with one ukrainian official saying it is on the verge of a, quote, humanitarian catastrophe. taken altogether, it's more of the same. russia's offensive continuing to target civilian areas. it's something we've seen consistently in the southern city of mariupol for weeks which has been besieged by russian forces for a long time now. as you mentioned off the top once again, an evacuation humanitarian corridor not agreed to which means the tens of thousands of people that should be evacuated from that place are not allowed to do this. this with the backdrop of orthodox sunday being celebrated and the message -- the supposed meeting between president zelenskyy and also secretary of state blinken and secretary of defense austin still not confirmed to have happened in kyiv, despite that it was said the meeting was happening. perhaps the white house kind of following standard diplomatic protocol and waiting for the leaders to leave the country before giving us details about what was said. >> right. security is paramount, and i'm sure it changed plans a lot after president zelenskyy made this expected meeting public. matt rivers, thank you so much. let's get back to other breaking news. this time out of france where french president macron is projected to win his second five-year term. analysis of early results show him defeating his far right challenger le pen who has con seeded. cnn's diplomatic editor nic robertson is with us. she conceded but said this is a victory. why? >> reporter: because she did better than in previous elections. she wanted to g-up her supported. she said we're going into parliamentary elections within the next few weeks. so in june they have parliamentary elections in france. she wants to get her supporters out for that. so this is a sort of her claiming of victory. making it -- a turn toward the next elections. no mention of president macron in her speech either. so this is really all about her next move. not getting out of politics clearly. not getting out of populist right wing french politics. that's her position. it didn't do her enough good, but i think to get to the essence of why she calls it a victory, she's a politician. they're always going to try to define even a loss as a positive thing. she's got a lot of applause from her supporters. she lost significantly, the reality is. >> and as for macron, what kind of reaction across france and europe? >> yeah. french i think there's a lot of relief among obviously all his supporters. significantly there's quite a chunk of the population who didn't show up to vote, and that's got to be a concern for other political figures in france. and we heard from the sort of the third party runner up, the socialist. he came out and spoke after le pen's concession speech and told his supporters get out the vote for the parliamentary elections coming up. so i think there's a real sense in the political class in france that you know, there's a segment of the population that feel disenfranchised. there are warm reception in europe. i mean, you had the european commission president saying tweeting out dear macron. it's almost as if the european leadership twitter sphere lit up as a result became announced. you've had the belgium prime minister, finish prime minister, the dutch prime minister saying heart felt congratulations. the czech prime minister saying heart felt congratulations. luxembourg prime minister, happy to be working with you again. the prime minister in ireland saying you're a principaled leader. we need your leadership. this is it. the reality is there's a real sense of relief. had le pen won, there would have been a great deal of concern about the unity of the european union, and her position quite a pro-putin position really disrupting the strength of the european union at a time when it really needs to be facing off against russia. so that relief. it's. >> the speed they came, what's saying is palpable. >> macron feeling a lot of love. now, how about from the white house? what has been said from the white house? >> i'm going to have to tell you here, i'm not getting that here yet. i've been up to my ears in the tweets that we've been getting in from the europeans. but this has to be good for the white house. right? the last thing they would need would be a divided european union, a fractious european union. you know, in the past le pen had been talking about trying to pull france out of nato. so that's clearly not in the white house's interest. i haven't seen what the white house has said, but i can only imagine they're going to be breathing a sigh of relief and are happy about this, too? . >> nic, get become to reading the pile of tweets that seem to be pouring in as a result of the macron's win. coming up, fallout continues over the explosive leaked audio of u.s. house minority leader kevin mccarthy. why one u.s. senator is calling him a, quote, liar and traitor. e balancing so you stay cool. sasave $1,000 on our most popular smart bed. plus 0% intnterest for 36 months on all smart beds. ends monday. do you think any of us will look back in our lives, and regret the things we didn't buy? 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step down. cnn's eva is joining us if from washington. >> fred, senator warren's beef with minority leader mccarthy is that he was saying one thing to the possible and something entirely different in private. he's likely not going to be all that concerned about her. his issue, though, could be with the maga faction of the republican caucus. i don't know anybody in this town who wants to be speaker of the house more than kevin mccarthy. that's going depend on house republicans taking back the house in 2022. in the bake of this audio, the former president and congressional republicans seem to be sticking with him for now, but that could change. trump is not a reliable ally to republicans. we've seen him give enforcements only to yank them away. it doesn't seem as though there will be any immediate political consequences for mccarthy q but the lie was bold and noteworthy. >> all right. covid and ukraine still top of mind throughout washington. congress returning from a two-week break. president biden is expected to ask lawmakers for more give on those areas. >> reporter: that's right. house speaker nancy pelosi's office says she wants to bring ukraine aid to the floor as soon as possible, but not offering a specific timeline as yet. the funding measure is expected to have wide bipartisan support. but some of the open questions of will this bill include more covid funding or if other unrelated policy differences that happened from time to time will derail progress on moving those issues across the finish line. >> thank you so much for that. and now returning to that conse consequence vote where macron is expected to win the second five-year term. early analyst shows him defeating le pen who has conceded. our correspondent at both campaign head quarters, let's begin with jim bitterman at le pen's head quarters where she conceded. and how did the audience react? >> well, she did concede, and the audience booed, but that was about the extent of her concessions, because as she went onto make a very fiery speech, she did not congratulate mr. macron. she didn't say that she was going to be willing to work together with mr. macron for the good of the french people, the kind of thing she says she stands for. she said that throughout her campaign. so, in fact, it was a concession speech but not much of a concession. she said that they were going to fight on this. their group and party was going to fight on for the will of the french people to address subjects like cost of living and how hard it is for the average frenchman on the street, a subject she says mr. macron has ignored. what they've looking ahead for is a victory in the legislative elections that are coming up in june. if they win any kind of a sizable majority in the parliament, they along with the left, could, in fact, frustrate mr. macron's plans. he hasn't had this situation before, because he's been in office five years. he's had a parliament that's basically on his side. he's been an executive and the legislative branch has been on his side. so he's been able to do quite a few things. not all these things the french people like, obviously. because of the way they voted today. >> all right. jim bitterman, thank you so much. let's turn to melissa bell joining us on the phone from macron head quarters. so melissa, has macron shut up there yet? >> he has showed up to an ecstatic crowd. he watched a very -- and the party is going on here. at the foot of the eiffel tower. he's to take the stage fairly soon to make his speech on those results. we've seen over the course of the last two minutes, a difference between the far right and widen ever so slightly as in his favor. so i think what we expect to hear from him tonight is french president much relieved at the victory -- not just for the people of france but for europe as well, for the war in ukraine, for so many issues far beyond france this quarter. but beyond that relief, i think you're going to hear -- and the more than 50% of the voter who is in the first round voted for either extreme left or extreme right candidates. and fredricka, that speaks to the great divisions in french society. here's a president well-respected, well-liked, well recognized, and who simply is device niv this country. so i think tonight you're going to hear the beginning of his pitch for what he hopes to do over the next five years. he intends for it to be different. this is a country that -- and that in any case, the confirmation last night -- landscape redrawn. 2017, the old left and right were stepped aside. again, that was confirmed with the second round vote tonight. he has better with a greater proportion of votes than the polls predicted. he's done well. that's why the supporters are pleased tonight. there's a lot that sticks if he's going to get through the next five years and build the majority he needs in parliament next month. >> it looks like from the pictures they're ready for a big party at macron head 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you. you wrote an op ed piece simply titled "photographing hell". while you were looking at the images out of bucha, you say one of the first things you thought of was what you saw in jonestown in 1978 which was a massacre of more than 900 americans who were members of a religious cult after drinking poison. a photograph you took that day was put on the cover of "time" magazine for the world to see. i'm going to ask you more about the images of ukraine, but in that moment, why did that come to mind for you? >> well, it was one of the worst days of my life, having to see that, and that image on the cover of "time" just stopped people in their tracks, really. it's hard to imagine that happened. it's hard to imagine what's going on right now in ukraine, and the similarity between i what i saw in jonestown and bucha particularly, really drove it home, and i think that's what made everybody kind of look twice and say, oh, my god, this is not random violence. people are -- russian soldiers are executing people. and leaving their bodies laying around on the street. it's almost like can this really be happening? is this real? that's what the images, your images and the images we're seeing out of ukraine do. it helps people open their eyes. right? sadly. so your photographs from vietnam won a pulitzer prize. one of your photos is eerily similar to what we saw from bucha taken by carol guzi which is very graphic. it's hard to look at. showing someone in a body bag. talk to us about the power of the photographs and the parallels. >> well, it's so bizarre, because i was looking through some of my vietnam stuff. the guy i photographed was a prisoner of war who was alive, but it really was similar. but the thing about carol's picture, and by the way, it's one of the best coming out of ukraine. and that's saying something. there are so many great photographers there. this one i immediately started wondering what was it the guy saw just before he was shot, and it almost like in death, there's a resolve that's metaphor for how the ukrainian people are dealing with all of this. i mean, it's really hard to imagine, and carol guzi who is a four-time pulitzer prize winning photographer. one of the best in the planet if not the best, we got some video in from her in ukraine, and she said who would do this? as she's looking around at the devastation. who would do this? and thank god there are photographers to show what they are doing. and it's really hard to look at. >> yeah. i mean, as soon as i saw that image, the image for the first time, i saw that's a pulitzer prize winning image, and it's a duplicate of the same kind of pulitzer prize winning image that you captured. in your new york times essay, you say you're getting tired of the disclaimers that say waning, graphic material. the best photos of the war may want to make us look away. it's imperative that we do not. i mean, what -- i know there's no motivation when you're taking the shot, but now we have the results of that moment that you eyewitnessed that many photographers like guzi capture. what are you hoping is the consequence of taking that shot? what are you hoping it will do to people as they see it? >> well, i'm really sorry that these pictures aren't being shown in context in russia. i mean, it's russia who is attacking innocent ukrainians, and the people there won't even really know what's going on. and one thing about photographs, i mentioned it in the piece, but photographs go over the head of disinformation. they go over the head of people talking about them, and they go right into your own heart and soul. however, you need to know what the context is for those pictures. and they do make a difference. we photographers aren't taking pictures to change the world, but sometimes those images do. and by the way, carol guzi, lindsey, carolyn cole, erin tribe and heidi lavine, six great women photographers on top of a bunch of guys over there, the cream of the top of photography is in ukraine right now. thank god for that. they're sensational. i admire them, and they're doing the kind of work that is so important. >> you mentioned you wish the people in russia could see these images because they are not. everything is censored, and they -- the government has said, you know, that they just really don't want people to know the truth. they're telling them what they believe is the truth. however, some people have become rather inventive and figured out ways in which to see the images of war. to get the information of war. what is that like to be -- >> sorry. >> what is that like to be a part, a tool to help do that? go ahead. >> yeah. i'm sorry. so the -- i'm always getting criticized for interrupting. so -- the pictures need context, too. you see the people, the bodies on the street. it was funny, because i watched the u.n. ambassador from russia sitting in the assembly hall at the u.n. as they showed those pictures, and he's just looking at them very passively, and you know that they're telling a different story. if you do see these pictures in russia, you're not getting the same message. you could bet no one is saying in russia, here are the results of our soldiers executing people on the street. women, children, and thousands of people. i mean, this is a sickening thing that we're looking at. >> uh-huh. u.s. photographers are tools. your images are tools. they will consequently become proof of the war crimes as well. >> right. i don't know how that works legally and all that, but photographers are -- they're shooting it for the record. this is documenting truthfully. these are people like the wire photographers, the newspaper photographers, these are professional people who are not messing around with the content of the photographs. what you're seeing is the truth. the messengers are the best in the business, and they are showing you reality. >> yeah. david hume-kennerly, thank you so much. sadly, beautiful work, passionate work, and very 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covid-19 response coordinator appeared on cnn's state of the union today. he says the cdc should have been allowed to complete the 15-day review on masking before a federal judge struck down the mandate affecting travelers. here's what else he told cnn's dana bash. >> case numbers are rising. driven by this ba-2 sub variant of omicron. we're going to see cases go up and down. make sure hospitalizations and deaths are not rising in any substantial way. looking at variants, paying close attention. let's see where the next few months ago. i'm concerned and we're going to watch the numbers. at this point, i am confident we're going to get through this without disruption. >> all right. let's bring in professor of emergency medicine an associate dean of public health at brown university, doctor meghan ranny. doctor, ranny, what does he mean? the doctor is planning the best way to proceed? >> it is aligned with the cdc plan and what we are seeing across the country and globe. thanks to vaccines, boosters, and the original omicron surge, as well as increased availability of treatment, where we are today is so different from where we were in january. much less last fall or last spring. right now case numbers matter, but what matters so much more are hospitalizations and deaths. in my own state of rhode island, we have seen a surge in case numbers for weeks now. but our hospitalization numbers still remain low. it says to me we're doing the right thing for you. let folks mask if they want. this is not a moment where we have to go back to mandates except for on public transport, of course, which we may have lifted anyhow on may 3rd had we had the time to do that. it is a different moment than it was a few months ago. >> yeah. so we've also all become accustomed to the term long covid. there still are questions about how it will continue to impact so many of us. what more can be done to get a better understanding of it? >> that's a great question. long covid is one of the 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kill with novemb novichok and he opened his blue eyes wide and looked at me and said very clear -- >> come on. poisoned? i don't believe it. like he's back. putin's not supposed to be not so stupid to use this novichok. >> if you want to kill someone, just shoot him. >> jesus christ, like real, alexei. impossible to believe it. it's kind of stupid. the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon. this is why this is so smart. because even reasonable people, they refuse to believe it. >> what? come on. poisoned? seriously. >> and there it was. joining us now, chief international correspondent, clarissa ward. you're part of this investigation top to bottom. i mean, talk to us about russia's security services and russia denying of course that they played any role in navalny's poisoning. how difficult was it to get this kind of information? >> well, it wasn't as difficult as you might imagine in the sense that russia's security services trade craft is actually a lot sloppier than you might have expected and belen cat, a brilliant investigator, was able for a combination of tenacity and smarts and exploring areas of the gray market in russia to essentially put together a treasure-trove of documentation that placed this group of men, this so-called toxins team, in the same locations as alexei navalny more than 30 times in the space of several years. just to give you an example of the sloppy trade craft, one of the would be asas ins turned on his cell phone near a hotel where navalny was staying the night he was poisoned. that ping was the moment where cristo and others involved in this investigation became very much aware of the fact that this was not some kind of a conspiracy. that actually this had really happened because as you heard in that clip there, the objective when the kremlin does or authorizes something as audacious as this is that the reaction of most people would be that's absurd. putin would never use something as obvious as novichok, which is basically only made in russia, to poison his leading opposition threat. yet what we discovered, that's exactly what happened. >> and what is it about navalny that apparently poses such a threat to putin that he would want him dead? >> well, i think this is a question that a lot of people have been asking themselves because on paper, president putin's approval ratings are very high. alexei navalny, while he has galvanized a huge amount of support among young people, he hasn't necessarily got anything like the sort of ratings that president putin would have, but what navalny was able to do was tap into the achilles heel of the kremlin and its cronies and the vast corruption that underpins this. and by creating this youtube channel and this group where he would launch these investigations then publish them, he really started to hit the kremlin where it hurt by embarrassing them, by h humiliating them. by making the broader public who have been struggling for years aware of the levels of greed and corruption and the ways in which that greed and corruption were ultimately robbing the country and robbing them. i also think there's a sense more broadly speaking that president putin does not have a high tolerance for opposition of any kind. you may remember another leading opposition figure who was shot dead just a few hundred yards away from the kremlin. so navalny is not the first but certainly this case one of the most extraordinary. >> yeah. and on the anniversary of that killing. just a few weeks ago. in fact, people were leaving candles, paying homage to him and helping people remember. thank you so much for that. we'll be watching this evening. no one wants to miss this sundance award winning film, navalny tonight at 9:00. the "cnn newsroom" continues with jim acosta right now. you are live in the "cnn newsroom." no truce today for orthodox easter in ukraine as russia contin continues attacks and a steel plant sheltering civilians is under constant bombardment. an 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