Impossible to believe it. it s kind of stupid. the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon. this is why this is so smart. because even reasonable people, they refuse to believe it. what? come on. poisoned? seriously. and there it was. joining us now, chief international correspondent, clarissa ward. you re part of this investigation top to bottom. i mean, talk to us about russia s security services and russia denying of course that they played any role in navalny s poisoning. how difficult was it to get this kind of information? well, it wasn t as difficult as you might imagine in the sense that russia s security services trade craft is actually a lot sloppier than you might have expected and belen cat, a