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acknowledging being part of the 2020 fake electors plot. and star actor and director regina king tonight mourning the loss of her son who has died at the age of just 26. and we begin tonight with breaking news in the very tense situation between russia and ukraine, and it's likely to have a ripple effect across the world. an explosive new finding by british officials that the kremlin has a plan in place to install a pro-russian government in ukraine as it considers whether to invade and possibly occupy that country. a memo from the british foreign office says moskow may be considering a former ukrainian politician as a candidate to lead what will essentially be a puppet government. tensions between russia and ukraine have grown for months with moskow amassing about 100,000 troops on their border with ukraine and giving no straight answers as to why. cnn's nic robertson is in moskow. so tell us about this new reporting and the significance of it, nic. >> reporter: you know, this is a very strong statement from the british foreign office. the person that they're naming as the person that the russian government may be looking at to lead ukraine if russia decides to invade and if it decides to occupy the country, he's a pro-russian former mp in ukraine. cnn's contacted him, and he said, you know, i don't have a comment to make because i'm already on a sanctions list from russia. his implication there is why would russia pick me, you know, to lead the country for them if i'm on a russian sanctions list. but the british government have also named four other people, former prime minister to former deputy prime ministers and a former national security official in the ukrainian government who the british government says have been in communication with russian intelligence operatives. those operatives themselves currently engaging in the planning of the invasion of ukraine. so what the british foreign secretary is saying is this shows what the kremlin is trying to do, the sort of length it will go to manipulate the situation inside ukraine. and it shines a spotlight on the sort of desperate situation that ukraine is in at the moment. >> right. and as one source i spoke to tonight said -- a security source said, look, this is right in russia's play book. meantime the u.s. has sent military supplies and ammunition to ukraine. other allies have done the same. is there concern that could provoke russia? >> reporter: it's intended to provoke russia into making a decision not to invade and not to take military action because it's designed to send a message to say there will be a cost to men and material and therefore a political cost for the kremlin, for president putin if there was an invasion. and if he takes more casualties because of all the weapons that are being supplied to ukraine at the moment, that big shipment from the united states, ammunition for the front line, missiles are coming, anti-tank missiles are coming from one baltic state, from estonia, l latvia, lithuania. so there's some amount of armaments coming and signaling to putin announcing -- calling the kremlin out if you will on what they're trying to do with ukraine by forming a puppet government there potentially. it's a signal the international community knows what he's doing, and if he goes ahead with it, there will be a significant cost. >> it is interesting watching first the u.s. and now the british government telegraphing what they know about what russia is up to. nic robertson, stay with us. let's go now to the white house and cnn's arlette saenz. how the white house reacting? >> reporter: the white house is expressing solidarity with ukraine but also expressing concern with this russian intelligence russia may be planning to establish a pro-russian leader in the ukrainian government. i want to read you a statement from the security spokesperson emily horn who said this kind of plotting is deeply concerning. the ukrainian people have the sovereign right to determine their own future, and we stand with our democratically elected partners in ukraine. now, sources have told cnn that the u.s. also has similar intelligence. this all comes as the u.s. is trying to pursue that diplomatic route to try to encourage russia to de-escalate when it comes to that tension with ukraine. but still the united states is seeing all of these warning signs about what exactly russia is planning to do. it was just earlier this month that the u.s. had warned that russia had placed operatives to conduct a false flag operation to try to justify an invasion in ukraine, planting these operatives to carry out acts of sabotage against their own russian proxy forces. now, the u.s. has been preparing for contingencies should russia decide to invade you crane. you saw that shipment of security assistance arriving in ukraine overnight. additionally, the u.s. is preparing these severe economic consequences, sanctions they say as well as drawing up some military options for what the u.s. may be able to do as far as increasing a military presence in eastern european countries. all of these options are on the president's plate as they are waiting to see whether russia actually will invade ukraine. of course the president has spent the weekend at camp david holding meetings with members of his national security team as they are planning their next moves should russia decide to go through without invasion. >> arlette saenz, thanks so puch. nic robertson back with us. and we also want to bring in the president of the eurasia group. >> i will say the u.s. community has been fairly convinced the most likely outcome the russians are planning a widespread invasion, which would include overturning the ukrainian government. the white house isn't convinced of that, but the intelligence community has, and they've been talking closely with the brits. people who have been following this closely aren't stunned by this, but there's a very big difference between russian intelligence being told they must have a scenario if putin were to decide to invade, they need to have a plan for that. and they've given them a plan. i think that's pretty clear. i think there are also plans considerably smaller in scale, and i think right now diplomacy is still being engaged in by both sides. but there's no question that 100,000 troops with more arriving daily, russian troops to the border including now to belarus for military exercises and the revelation of this intelligence plan all shows that the russians are quite serious that if diplomacy doesn't work some level of escalation is very, very likely indeed. >> right, because, nic, for its part russia is pushing hard for the u.s. to guarantee that ukraine will not be allowed to join nato. obviously, if that were to happen that would be a huge power blow to moskow. is the alliance likely to give into vladimir putin to keep peace in the region in any of these demands? >> not on those big demands that ukraine can't join nato, that nato should roll back to its 1997 positions and all foreign troops meeting nato troops should pull out of bulgaria and romania. no, that's not going to happen. on the russia thing sergei lavrov was speaking about in geneva, as part of the osce, the sort of globe interest straddling organization of 57 different nations which the united states and russia remembers, russia said the united states signed up to an agreement that says no one country's security could infringe on another country's security. the point being that there is perhaps potentially an arrangement, arms control, potentially, you know, troop training reductions close to the border, notifications, reciprocity on both sides is what the united states and its allies are talking about if russia wants to go down that path. but the bottom line here is that russia hasn't indicated a serious willingness to go down that path so far, and its other demands are so maximalist and are not going to happen, it's very hard to see how president putin who believes ukraine should be part of russia can step back from those very big high demands and has made a lot of noise about and accept something much smaller, arms control negotiations that take a long time to organize. it seems so unlikely at this stage. >> and you wrote earlier this week, ian, that the situation with russia and ukraine is the first major policy deb occul of the biden administration. it could be even more concerning than afghanistan. what is at stake here for the i couldn't say? >> i didn't say debacle. i said crisis to be clear. and the reason i said crisis and much bigger than afghanistan and the execution of the afghan withdrawal was a debacle is because six months later we're not talking much about afghanistan. if we end up in a major conflict with the russians we're going to be talking about this well beyond the biden administration. it'll have global implications. but, again, i want to be clear, diplomacy is still going on. and the russians would have enormous consequences if they were to effectuate the plan we're talking about this evening. not only would it be costly for the russians themselves and quite unpopular with the troops they would clearly lose in such an effort, they would be destabilizing ukraine for a long time, but it is the one thing that would actually bring together nato across the atlantic with a renewed sense of urgency and purpose. and that's something putin clearly doesn't want to see. so even though i'm certain that in the kremlin as he's thinking about his options over the coming weeks, this is on president putin's desk, i also think there are very significant reasons both from the americans as well as more broadly that putin would think very seriously before he pulled the trigger on this kind of an operation. >> but let me just ask you, though, i mean at the same time do you see him, essentially, caving in to the pressure? because also at stake for him is of course prestige. there's a lot on the line for him. so if he does pull back, do you actually see that happening? >> no. no, i don't. i think nic is right about this. but i also think a lot of the headlines from the press make it seem as if it's either invasion or its withdrawal. and actually the russians have a hell of a lot of options in between. you may remember the russians engaged in cyber attacks against ukraine just last friday, and the response from the west was deminmist. to send tanks into dambas, that wouldn't be seen as a back down, a climb down. in fact, the americans would consider it an invasion, but you wouldn't see lots of ukrainian deaths, and you wouldn't see the invasion of the ukrainian territory, the overthrow of the government. the belarusan government we might see russian troops based with russian troops, too. in other words, there are a lot of things the russians can do that are not backing down at all if diplomacy fails but fall considerably short of the kind of headline theatrics that are leading the news right now. and by the way, those things will be more challenging for the americans to get their nato allies to respond strongly to. and president biden, of course, made that fairly clear in the press conference that he held earlier this week. >> all right, ian, nic, thank you both so much. we continue to follow this situation. law enforcement officials and local businesses in washington, d.c. are on edge this weekend. thousands of people are expected to show up for a number of protests including one against vaccine mandates. cnn's suzan malveaux is there. so suzanne, tell me about all this activity in d.c. this weekend. >> reporter: well, pam, d.c. is bustling this weekend. today the focus was on abortion around the 49th anniversary of roe v. wade. former vice president mike pence joining anti-choice activists while you had counterprotesters advocating for abortion rights, rallying outside of the supreme court. but all eyes are on tomorrow. that is the fight over vaccine mandates which will play out on the national mall. the national park service says various groups opposing vaccine mandates, vaccines, masks, could draw up to 20,000 people at the event being called defeat the mandates, american homecoming event. and so the fbi, department of homeland security, metropolitan and u.s. park police and others, they are helping local businesses prepare for the crowds and possibly confront protesters who might refuse to wear masks or comply with d.c. rules. now, the protests coincide with this new proof of vaccine requirements for restaurants, bars, gyms, other private businesses in washington, d.c. so u.s. capitol police with the assistant of montgomery county, maryland police department all moving, all hands on deck staffing this weekend. they've already held a press call to business leaders to prepare for this. and the u.s. capitol police chief says i am confident in our preparation for this weekend. law enforcement officials also concerned that these protests could attract violent extremist groups. yesterday just close to 30 men who appear to be tied to patriot front, an american nationalist white supremacist group, showed up outside the national archives. they were surrounded by d.c. police to ensure there were no confrontations. the organizers of tomorrow's protest called defeat the mandates, they put out a statement here saying we do not welcome extremist groups on any side that condone racism or bring violence of any kind to the thousands of americans that will be marching peacefully. so we certainly hope florida be a peaceful day tomorrow, pam. >> we certainly do. suzanne, thank you so much. and in case you need reminding it's not just omicron out there. it's also flu season. in fact, one iowa man got hit with a triple whammy. >> the doctor was just shocked. he's like, well, i got some news for you. you have all three, the flu, a and b and covid. >> two strains of flu plus covid. he's a teacher and the parent of small children. he's also immune compromised. he has rheumatoid arthritis. he says he doesn't want to think about what this week could have been like if he hadn't gotten the flu shot and been vaccinated against covid. wow. glad you're doing okay, ryan. hope you feel better soon. we have exclusive reporting. cnn's k file unearths the stop the stealeraly organizer saying he would work with extremist groups. also ahead satellite images showing the devastation in tonga after that huge volcanic eruption and tsunami. and a small consolation prize for disappointed fans who flew to vegas only to find the start of adele's residency post postponed. you're in the cnn newsroom. conv. dayquil severe for you... and daily vicks super c for me. vicks super c is a daily supplement with vitamin c and b vitamins to help energize and replenish. dayquil severe is a max strength daytime, coughing, power through your day, medicine. new from vicks. age-related macular degeneration may lead to severe vision loss. 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>> well, we're proceeding methodically and working our way up the various conspiracies and plots to undo the election. it was a complicated situation on that day. >> you say we're moving forward methodically. does that mean you're waiting to gather more facts, do more work before you ask for donald trump to come into the committee? >> well, look, at the point in which anybody's testimony is relevant we are asking for it, so i can't think of anybody whose testimony was relevant who we have not asked for yet, and there's still more people to come. there's no doubt about that, and we're going to get a complete fine grain portrait of the events of january 6th and the causes behind that so we can deliver a report to congress and the american people about how do we fortify democratic institutions against coups and insurrections moving forward? because there are authoritarian governments and movements all over the world who are cheering the development of this authoritarian threat to democracy in america. >> so in other words he did not rule it out. the committee received hundreds of documents from the national archives relating to the former president before, during and after january 6th and is going through them now. well, last year 19 states passed 34 laws adding new voting restrictions. stricter voter i.d. laws, limiting the availability of absentee ballots and drop boxes and purging voter rolls. the john lewis voting rights act failed to pass the u.s. senate this week. rightly democrats joe manchin and kyrsten sinema refused to back a change in filibuster rules to get it across the goal line. democratic senator mazie hirono of hawaii joins me now with more. welcome, senator. you made an impassioned speech in the senate saying our country's legacy of racial discrimination and voting is undeniable, and it's undeniable we are witnessing history repeat itself today. what could democrats do next? >> we can keep on fighting because this is no time for us to throw up our arms and give up, no. because even as 19 states have already enacted these kinds of terrible voter suppression laws, more are of these kinds of laws are being enacted so the fight continues in congress as well as the state level where all these laws are being enacted. >> when you say keep on fighting what does that mean exactly? >> what i'd like to see is especially, of course, at the state level we have to pay attention to who's getting elected to the state legislature so that's one area for the senate. my hope is that we will continue to push for possibly individual provisions such as why can't we make voting a national holiday for presidential elections? why can't we make sure that -- that you can't eliminate all drop boxes, so there are many aspects to the voting protection laws that we were trying to push through that we could bring to the floor of the senate. that's what i'd like to see. >> and just to be clear, should americans have confidence in their elections as we approach 2022 and 2024? because you mention some of these proposals so far. they haven't gone anywhere in congress. >> people had confidence in our elections until trump came along with the massive big lie that is still compelling all of these kind of laws. more laws have been passed because of the big lie, and this is one of the most terrible things that trump has put forth is the lack of confidence in our election systems, which, by the way, his own people said the 2020 elections were the most -- they were the strongest kinds of election systems that we had. and so now that is being questioned by all these laws. >> to be clear, though, americans should have confidence in the elections coming up in 2022 and 2024. they should not have less confidence in the elections. >> that's right. and all of these laws being enacted at the state level, pamela, is based on the big lie. even trump's attorney general barr said that there's not been any kind of election fraud, which trump continues to push forward and all of his minions and his enablers continue to push forth to justify all these laws that will make it really hard for people to vote, to have access to the ballots, to even have food and water given to them while they're standing in line for hours. >> we all know senators manchin and sinema wouldn't support scrapping the filibuster for this legislation. now the arizona democratic party has censured sinema. do you agree with that move? >> this is a democratic party of arizona expressing their huge disappointment in their own senators, so that's something that and i'm going to continue to focus on what's good for the american people. and what's at stake is the freedom at polls and being able to vote during the elections and not being restricted in the ways these dozens of laws are restricting them. so that is what is at stake, basically democracy and freedom to vote is at stake. >> you say democracy is at stake. as you well know there are republicans, people on the other side of the aisle, critics who say, look, the more you talk about voting suppression, that is a way to infuse doubt, sow doubt in the electoral system in the united states. and i want to ask you about brad raffensperger, a republican, the georgia secretary of state who refused to cave to donald trump's demands to find more votes. he is now calling the democratic party the party of stolen election claims. what is your reaction to that? >> i don't even know where that is coming from because it is the republicans dozens of laws that have already been enacted that will eliminate drop boxes, that will basically make it so much harder for certain people to vote. so i don't even know where he's coming from. it makes absolutely no sense. i just shake my head at all of the efforts of the republicans. by the way, the republicans i don't know what they stand for. and when president biden asked what do the republicans stand for, certainly they don't stand for protecting our freedom to vote. certainly they don't stand for getting control of the pandemic. what do they stand for? in fact, mitch mcconnell said put us back in power and i'll show you what we stand for. right, they stand for close to $2 trillion in necessary tax breaks for the richest people in our country, they stand for packing our courts with very right-wing ideological oriented judges. that is what the republican party stands for. >> i want to ask you about as we stay on the election theme and what we have seen republicans do, you have florida's governor, ron desantis, and georgia gubernatorial candidate david perdue wanting to install election police. what is your reaction to that? >> add that to the list of all the ways they're going to suppress people who should be allowed to go to the polls. it is just the most authoritarian kind of respect, but that's what the republican party stands for. they're going to make sure that the people who they think are more likely to vote for democrats, meaning the people that actually give a rip about their lives, the republicans are going to make it so much harder for those folks to vote, and that is why we have to keep fighting back. one of the votes i'd like to see come to the senate floor is the john lewis voting rights act so our department of justice will have many more tools to fight back against all of these kinds of laws thanks to the supreme court and shelby county, the department of justice no longer has that tool. i'd like to give that tool back to them so we can all fight back in the department of justice can challenge these laws successfully. >> senator mazie hirono, thank you so much. we hope you'll come back on the show to talk about democracy and voting rights. important issues here. thank you. >> thank you. people in los angeles with new details about a serious multi-car accident. arnold schwarzenegger was involved and someone went to the hospital. cnn's natasha chen is following this, and she has the latest ahead. plus a new way to look at marilyn mun cronroe and her inf has been birthday mr. president moment. and check out the episode of cnn's original series reframed marilyn monroe, tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern. when you switch and bring your own device, we'll pay off your phone up to $800. you can keep your phone. and keep your number. visit your local t-mobile store today. 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>> reporter: police responded to us today they would not give more updates on this case. they did release a statement overnight after this accident saying it happened around 4:35 p.m. friday on the busy sunset boulevard in the brentwood area of west l.a. and as you mentioned arnold schwarzenegger his representative told people magazine he is fine but he is concerned about the woman who was sent to the hospital from this accident. police did confirm they sent one woman to the hospital with an abrasion to the head. now, there were four cars involved in this wreck according to police. everyone stayed on the scene, and there isn't really much information about what caused the collision yet, but police did say that neither alcohol nor drugs are suspected to be a factor in this wreck. again, the 74-year-old former governor, his representative told people magazine, he is fine. but if you can see from those nighttime aerials that were taken by our affiliate, kabc, it was quite dramatic there. we're seeing that yukon suv supposed to have been driven by schwarzenegger partially on top of another vehicle. and we also see from those aerials that red prius being towed away. so very lucky that the injuries involved were not worse. but, again, the representative telling people magazine that the former governor is primarily concerned with that woman who was sent to the hospital, pamela. >> all right, natasha chen, thank you so much. pop superstar adele was in tears this week when she told fans she had to postpone her las vegas residency. but she had a surprise for some who still made the trip to the desert. it goes on clear. no mess just soothing comfort. try new vicks vapostick. if i go to sleep right now, i can get more.... four hours. that's not good. what is time? 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acknowledging being part of the 2020 fake electors plot. and star actor and director regina king tonight mourning the loss of her son who has died at the age of just 26. and we begin tonight with breaking news in the very tense situation between russia and ukraine, and it's likely to have a ripple effect across the world. an explosive new finding by british officials that the kremlin has a plan in place to install a pro-russian government in ukraine as it considers whether to invade and possibly occupy that country. a memo from the british foreign office says moskow may be considering a former ukrainian politician as a candidate to lead what will essentially be a puppet government. tensions between russia and ukraine have grown for months with moskow amassing about 100,000 troops on their border with ukraine and giving no straight answers as to why. cnn's nic robertson is in moskow. so tell us about this new reporting and the significance of it, nic. >> reporter: you know, this is a very strong statement from the british foreign office. the person that they're naming as the person that the russian government may be looking at to lead ukraine if russia decides to invade and if it decides to occupy the country, he's a pro-russian former mp in ukraine. cnn's contacted him, and he said, you know, i don't have a comment to make because i'm already on a sanctions list from russia. his implication there is why would russia pick me, you know, to lead the country for them if i'm on a russian sanctions list. but the british government have also named four other people, former prime minister to former deputy prime ministers and a former national security official in the ukrainian government who the british government says have been in communication with russian intelligence operatives. those operatives themselves currently engaging in the planning of the invasion of ukraine. so what the british foreign secretary is saying is this shows what the kremlin is trying to do, the sort of length it will go to manipulate the situation inside ukraine. and it shines a spotlight on the sort of desperate situation that ukraine is in at the moment. >> right. and as one source i spoke to tonight said -- a security source said, look, this is right in russia's play book. meantime the u.s. has sent military supplies and ammunition to ukraine. other allies have done the same. is there concern that could provoke russia? >> reporter: it's intended to provoke russia into making a decision not to invade and not to take military action because it's designed to send a message to say there will be a cost to men and material and therefore a political cost for the kremlin, for president putin if there was an invasion. and if he takes more casualties because of all the weapons that are being supplied to ukraine at the moment, that big shipment from the united states, ammunition for the front line, missiles are coming, anti-tank missiles are coming from one baltic state, from estonia, l latvia, lithuania. so there's some amount of armaments coming and signaling to putin announcing -- calling the kremlin out if you will on what they're trying to do with ukraine by forming a puppet government there potentially. it's a signal the international community knows what he's doing, and if he goes ahead with it, there will be a significant cost. >> it is interesting watching first the u.s. and now the british government telegraphing what they know about what russia is up to. nic robertson, stay with us. let's go now to the white house and cnn's arlette saenz. how the white house reacting? >> reporter: the white house is expressing solidarity with ukraine but also expressing concern with this russian intelligence russia may be planning to establish a pro-russian leader in the ukrainian government. i want to read you a statement from the security spokesperson emily horn who said this kind of plotting is deeply concerning. the ukrainian people have the sovereign right to determine their own future, and we stand with our democratically elected partners in ukraine. now, sources have told cnn that the u.s. also has similar intelligence. this all comes as the u.s. is trying to pursue that diplomatic route to try to encourage russia to de-escalate when it comes to that tension with ukraine. but still the united states is seeing all of these warning signs about what exactly russia is planning to do. it was just earlier this month that the u.s. had warned that russia had placed operatives to conduct a false flag operation to try to justify an invasion in ukraine, planting these operatives to carry out acts of sabotage against their own russian proxy forces. now, the u.s. has been preparing for contingencies should russia decide to invade you crane. you saw that shipment of security assistance arriving in ukraine overnight. additionally, the u.s. is preparing these severe economic consequences, sanctions they say as well as drawing up some military options for what the u.s. may be able to do as far as increasing a military presence in eastern european countries. all of these options are on the president's plate as they are waiting to see whether russia actually will invade ukraine. of course the president has spent the weekend at camp david holding meetings with members of his national security team as they are planning their next moves should russia decide to go through without invasion. >> arlette saenz, thanks so puch. nic robertson back with us. and we also want to bring in the president of the eurasia group. >> i will say the u.s. community has been fairly convinced the most likely outcome the russians are planning a widespread invasion, which would include overturning the ukrainian government. the white house isn't convinced of that, but the intelligence community has, and they've been talking closely with the brits. people who have been following this closely aren't stunned by this, but there's a very big difference between russian intelligence being told they must have a scenario if putin were to decide to invade, they need to have a plan for that. and they've given them a plan. i think that's pretty clear. i think there are also plans considerably smaller in scale, and i think right now diplomacy is still being engaged in by both sides. but there's no question that 100,000 troops with more arriving daily, russian troops to the border including now to belarus for military exercises and the revelation of this intelligence plan all shows that the russians are quite serious that if diplomacy doesn't work some level of escalation is very, very likely indeed. >> right, because, nic, for its part russia is pushing hard for the u.s. to guarantee that ukraine will not be allowed to join nato. obviously, if that were to happen that would be a huge power blow to moskow. is the alliance likely to give into vladimir putin to keep peace in the region in any of these demands? >> not on those big demands that ukraine can't join nato, that nato should roll back to its 1997 positions and all foreign troops meeting nato troops should pull out of bulgaria and romania. no, that's not going to happen. on the russia thing sergei lavrov was speaking about in geneva, as part of the osce, the sort of globe interest straddling organization of 57 different nations which the united states and russia remembers, russia said the united states signed up to an agreement that says no one country's security could infringe on another country's security. the point being that there is perhaps potentially an arrangement, arms control, potentially, you know, troop training reductions close to the border, notifications, reciprocity on both sides is what the united states and its allies are talking about if russia wants to go down that path. but the bottom line here is that russia hasn't indicated a serious willingness to go down that path so far, and its other demands are so maximalist and are not going to happen, it's very hard to see how president putin who believes ukraine should be part of russia can step back from those very big high demands and has made a lot of noise about and accept something much smaller, arms control negotiations that take a long time to organize. it seems so unlikely at this stage. >> and you wrote earlier this week, ian, that the situation with russia and ukraine is the first major policy deb occul of the biden administration. it could be even more concerning than afghanistan. what is at stake here for the i couldn't say? >> i didn't say debacle. i said crisis to be clear. and the reason i said crisis and much bigger than afghanistan and the execution of the afghan withdrawal was a debacle is because six months later we're not talking much about afghanistan. if we end up in a major conflict with the russians we're going to be talking about this well beyond the biden administration. it'll have global implications. but, again, i want to be clear, diplomacy is still going on. and the russians would have enormous consequences if they were to effectuate the plan we're talking about this evening. not only would it be costly for the russians themselves and quite unpopular with the troops they would clearly lose in such an effort, they would be destabilizing ukraine for a long time, but it is the one thing that would actually bring together nato across the atlantic with a renewed sense of urgency and purpose. and that's something putin clearly doesn't want to see. so even though i'm certain that in the kremlin as he's thinking about his options over the coming weeks, this is on president putin's desk, i also think there are very significant reasons both from the americans as well as more broadly that putin would think very seriously before he pulled the trigger on this kind of an operation. >> but let me just ask you, though, i mean at the same time do you see him, essentially, caving in to the pressure? because also at stake for him is of course prestige. there's a lot on the line for him. so if he does pull back, do you actually see that happening? >> no. no, i don't. i think nic is right about this. but i also think a lot of the headlines from the press make it seem as if it's either invasion or its withdrawal. and actually the russians have a hell of a lot of options in between. you may remember the russians engaged in cyber attacks against ukraine just last friday, and the response from the west was deminmist. to send tanks into dambas, that wouldn't be seen as a back down, a climb down. in fact, the americans would consider it an invasion, but you wouldn't see lots of ukrainian deaths, and you wouldn't see the invasion of the ukrainian territory, the overthrow of the government. the belarusan government we might see russian troops based with russian troops, too. in other words, there are a lot of things the russians can do that are not backing down at all if diplomacy fails but fall considerably short of the kind of headline theatrics that are leading the news right now. and by the way, those things will be more challenging for the americans to get their nato allies to respond strongly to. and president biden, of course, made that fairly clear in the press conference that he held earlier this week. >> all right, ian, nic, thank you both so much. we continue to follow this situation. law enforcement officials and local businesses in washington, d.c. are on edge this weekend. thousands of people are expected to show up for a number of protests including one against vaccine mandates. cnn's suzan malveaux is there. so suzanne, tell me about all this activity in d.c. this weekend. >> reporter: well, pam, d.c. is bustling this weekend. today the focus was on abortion around the 49th anniversary of roe v. wade. former vice president mike pence joining anti-choice activists while you had counterprotesters advocating for abortion rights, rallying outside of the supreme court. but all eyes are on tomorrow. that is the fight over vaccine mandates which will play out on the national mall. the national park service says various groups opposing vaccine mandates, vaccines, masks, could draw up to 20,000 people at the event being called defeat the mandates, american homecoming event. and so the fbi, department of homeland security, metropolitan and u.s. park police and others, they are helping local businesses prepare for the crowds and possibly confront protesters who might refuse to wear masks or comply with d.c. rules. now, the protests coincide with this new proof of vaccine requirements for restaurants, bars, gyms, other private businesses in washington, d.c. so u.s. capitol police with the assistant of montgomery county, maryland police department all moving, all hands on deck staffing this weekend. they've already held a press call to business leaders to prepare for this. and the u.s. capitol police chief says i am confident in our preparation for this weekend. law enforcement officials also concerned that these protests could attract violent extremist groups. yesterday just close to 30 men who appear to be tied to patriot front, an american nationalist white supremacist group, showed up outside the national archives. they were surrounded by d.c. police to ensure there were no confrontations. the organizers of tomorrow's protest called defeat the mandates, they put out a statement here saying we do not welcome extremist groups on any side that condone racism or bring violence of any kind to the thousands of americans that will be marching peacefully. so we certainly hope florida be a peaceful day tomorrow, pam. >> we certainly do. suzanne, thank you so much. and in case you need reminding it's not just omicron out there. it's also flu season. in fact, one iowa man got hit with a triple whammy. >> the doctor was just shocked. he's like, well, i got some news for you. you have all three, the flu, a and b and covid. >> two strains of flu plus covid. he's a teacher and the parent of small 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>> well, we're proceeding methodically and working our way up the various conspiracies and plots to undo the election. it was a complicated situation on that day. >> you say we're moving forward methodically. does that mean you're waiting to gather more facts, do more work before you ask for donald trump to come into the committee? >> well, look, at the point in which anybody's testimony is relevant we are asking for it, so i can't think of anybody whose testimony was relevant who we have not asked for yet, and there's still more people to come. there's no doubt about that, and we're going to get a complete fine grain portrait of the events of january 6th and the causes behind that so we can deliver a report to congress and the american people about how do we fortify democratic institutions against coups and insurrections moving forward? because there are authoritarian governments and movements all over the world who are cheering the development of this authoritarian threat to democracy in america. >> so in other words he did not rule it out. the committee received hundreds of documents from the national archives relating to the former president before, during and after january 6th and is going through them now. well, last year 19 states passed 34 laws adding new voting restrictions. stricter voter i.d. laws, limiting the availability of absentee ballots and drop boxes and purging voter rolls. the john lewis voting rights act failed to pass the u.s. senate this week. rightly democrats joe manchin and kyrsten sinema refused to back a change in filibuster rules to get it across the goal line. democratic senator mazie hirono of hawaii joins me now with more. welcome, senator. you made an impassioned speech in the senate saying our country's legacy of racial discrimination and voting is undeniable, and it's undeniable we are witnessing history repeat itself today. what could democrats do next? >> we can keep on fighting because this is no time for us to throw up our arms and give up, no. because even as 19 states have already enacted these kinds of terrible voter suppression laws, more are of these kinds of laws are being enacted so the fight continues in congress as well as the state level where all these laws are being enacted. >> when you say keep on fighting what does that mean exactly? >> what i'd like to see is especially, of course, at the state level we have to pay attention to who's getting elected to the state legislature so that's one area for the senate. my hope is that we will continue to push for possibly individual provisions such as why can't we make voting a national holiday for presidential elections? why can't we make sure that -- that you can't eliminate all drop boxes, so there are many aspects to the voting protection laws that we were trying to push through that we could bring to the floor of the senate. that's what i'd like to see. >> and just to be clear, should americans have confidence in their elections as we approach 2022 and 2024? because you mention some of these proposals so far. they haven't gone anywhere in congress. >> people had confidence in our elections until trump came along with the massive big lie that is still compelling all of these kind of laws. more laws have been passed because of the big lie, and this is one of the most terrible things that trump has put forth is the lack of confidence in our election systems, which, by the way, his own people said the 2020 elections were the most -- they were the strongest kinds of election systems that we had. and so now that is being questioned by all these laws. >> to be clear, though, americans should have confidence in the elections coming up in 2022 and 2024. they should not have less confidence in the elections. >> that's right. and all of these laws being enacted at the state level, pamela, is based on the big lie. even trump's attorney general barr said that there's not been any kind of election fraud, which trump continues to push forward and all of his minions and his enablers continue to push forth to justify all these laws that will make it really hard for people to vote, to have access to the ballots, to even have food and water given to them while they're standing in line for hours. >> we all know senators manchin and sinema wouldn't support scrapping the filibuster for this legislation. now the arizona democratic party has censured sinema. do you agree with that move? >> this is a democratic party of arizona expressing their huge disappointment in their own senators, so that's something that and i'm going to continue to focus on what's good for the american people. and what's at stake is the freedom at polls and being able to vote during the elections and not being restricted in the ways these dozens of laws are restricting them. so that is what is at stake, basically democracy and freedom to vote is at stake. >> you say democracy is at stake. as you well know there are republicans, people on the other side of the aisle, critics who say, look, the more you talk about voting suppression, that is a way to infuse doubt, sow doubt in the electoral system in the united states. and i want to ask you about brad raffensperger, a republican, the georgia secretary of state who refused to cave to donald trump's demands to find more votes. he is now calling the democratic party the party of stolen election claims. what is your reaction to that? >> i don't even know where that is coming from because it is the republicans dozens of laws that have already been enacted that will eliminate drop boxes, that will basically make it so much harder for certain people to vote. so i don't even know where he's coming from. it makes absolutely no sense. i just shake my head at all of the efforts of the republicans. by the way, the republicans i don't know what they stand for. and when president biden asked what do the republicans stand for, certainly they don't stand for protecting our freedom to vote. certainly they don't stand for getting control of the pandemic. what do they stand for? in fact, mitch mcconnell said put us back in power and i'll show you what we stand for. right, they stand for close to $2 trillion in necessary tax breaks for the richest people in our country, they stand for packing our courts with very right-wing ideological oriented judges. that is what the republican party stands for. >> i want to ask you about as we stay on the election theme and what we have seen republicans do, you have florida's governor, ron desantis, and georgia gubernatorial candidate david perdue wanting to install election police. what is your reaction to that? >> add that to the list of all the ways they're going to suppress people who should be allowed to go to the polls. it is just the most authoritarian kind of respect, but that's what the republican party stands for. they're going to make sure that the people who they think are more likely to vote for democrats, meaning the people that actually give a rip about their lives, the republicans are going to make it so much harder for those folks to vote, and that is why we have to keep fighting back. one of the votes i'd like to see come to the senate floor is the john lewis voting rights act so our department of justice will have many more tools to fight back against all of these kinds of laws thanks to the supreme court and shelby county, the department of justice no longer has that tool. i'd like to give that tool back to them so we can all fight back in the department of justice can challenge these laws successfully. >> senator mazie hirono, thank you so much. we hope you'll come back on the show to talk about democracy and voting rights. important issues here. thank you. >> thank you. people in los angeles with new details about a serious multi-car accident. arnold schwarzenegger was involved and someone went to the hospital. cnn's natasha chen is following this, and she has the latest ahead. plus a new way to look at marilyn mun cronroe and her inf has been birthday mr. president moment. and check out the episode of cnn's original series reframed marilyn monroe, tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern. when you switch and bring your own device, we'll pay off your phone up to $800. you can keep your phone. and keep your number. visit your local t-mobile store today. 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>> reporter: police responded to us today they would not give more updates on this case. they did release a statement overnight after this accident saying it happened around 4:35 p.m. friday on the busy sunset boulevard in the brentwood area of west l.a. and as you mentioned arnold schwarzenegger his representative told people magazine he is fine but he is concerned about the woman who was sent to the hospital from this accident. police did confirm they sent one woman to the hospital with an abrasion to the head. now, there were four cars involved in this wreck according to police. everyone stayed on the scene, and there isn't really much information about what caused the collision yet, but police did say that neither alcohol nor drugs are suspected to be a factor in this wreck. again, the 74-year-old former governor, his representative told people magazine, he is fine. but if you can see from those nighttime aerials that were taken by our affiliate, kabc, it was quite dramatic there. we're seeing that yukon suv supposed to have been driven by schwarzenegger partially on top of another vehicle. and we also see from those aerials that red prius being towed away. so very lucky that the injuries involved were not worse. but, again, the representative telling people magazine that the former governor is primarily concerned with that woman who was sent to the hospital, pamela. >> all right, natasha chen, thank you so much. pop superstar adele was in tears this week when she told fans she had to postpone her las vegas residency. but she had a surprise for some who still made the trip to the desert. it goes on clear. no mess just soothing comfort. try new vicks vapostick. if i go to sleep right now, i can get more.... four hours. that's not good. what is time? 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