we will talk about that tonight. about the ongoing difficulty still of getting tested or even buying a home-test kit. we will look at the impact omicron is already having on our kids and what comes after the holiday break. we will also focus on the disruption at airports, and talk about one idea that sounds like common sense to many, but others say it's a step too far. i took that up earlier with dr. anthony fauci. >> we have been saying that vaccine mandates for domestic flights should be considered, should be seriously considered. is that something that president biden is seriously considering? is it something the administration is considering? >> no. what i said, jim, was that everything when -- that comes up as a possibility, we put it on the table and we consider it. that does not mean that it is going to be likely to happen. right now, i don't think people should expect that we're going to have a requirement in domestic flights for people to be vaccinated. when i was asked that question, i gave an honest answer. it's -- it's on the table. >> and we'll ask our medical experts about that, shortly. but first, the breaking news on how all the other pieces fit together from cnn's tom foreman. >> reporter: the cdc announcement shortening isolation time came just hours after president biden admitted to the nation's governors, covid testing has not kept pace with the omicron threat. >> it's not enough. it's clearly not enough. if i had -- we had known, we would have gone harder quicker if we could've. >> reporter: with covid cases soaring, more than 2,000 flights were grounded worldwide. nearly 3,000 delayed in the u.s. just today. at sea, several cruise ships have been affected. in some cases, being turned away from ports. in all, dampening the festivities. >> and they weren't really enforcing masks until a lot of people started get koeg vid, and then they were kind of, you know, enforcing masks more. i don't think i will ever go on a cruise again, honestly, at this point. >> reporter: as the omicron variant rages, testing lines are stretching out and tests running short in some places. new york city is enforcing a covid vaccine mandate for private businesses. >> no one thinks this is the holiday season that we were hoping for but contrast it to last year, it's so much better. >> reporter: also better? hospitalizations are not rising as quickly as feared. though, in many places, patients and staff, alike, are staggering against the surge. >> we have, as of this morning, 115 staff members out ill with covid who have tested positive. >> reporter: even the holiday fun and games are getting shaky with five college football bowl games cancelled or scrambling to find new teams, as covid rips through locker rooms. brand new rules allow for the championship, itself, to be delayed or decided by forfeit, if necessary. although, nobody wants that. >> everybody wants to play. the -- the players are looking out for themselves. they really are. >> reporter: simply put, if you have plans to be out for new year's eve, you might want to rethink those. and then, brace yourself. health officials say the omicron winter surge could last six to eight weeks. jim? >> thank, tom. more now on what life is like for everyone trying to get somewhere tonight as more flight crew call in sick, taking more flights off the board. cnn's shimon prokupecz joins us now from new york's la guardia airport. which can be frustrating, even without a pandemic, you know, going on. shimon, what's the latest on your end? >> reporter: yeah, so la guardia, this is late. so as you can see behind me, there is not much activity. there is about half the tlfligh that are taking off from terminal b here that are delayed. couple hours here and there. so we have seen passengers arrive late. we have seen crew arrive just a short time ago as the airlines try to move crews around, try to move people around to get some of these flights that have been delayed or cancelled back up in the air so they can get passengers home. across the u.s., 1,300 flights were cancelled and already tomorrow, we're -- we're seeing over 200 u.s. flights being cancelled according to flight aware. so, there is still obviously more cancellations to come even after today, jim. >> and is there any indication of how many more days we are going to see these massive cancellations? i suppose, these new cdc guidelines may provide some relief? >> right. and -- and that's going to be a thing i think that some of the airline folks are probably going to find. they are going to find that is going to give them some relief so they can get some of their employees if they are healthy enough back out on the planes because that is the thing, right? the crews right now who are out just living their lives, right? every day, are contracting this virus and because of that, they can't work so perhaps, with these new cdc guidelines, that will help the airlines. but already, tomorrow, you are starting to see some of these cancellations -- over 200 as i said. and i think in the days to come, certainly airline fiofficials expect that to continue. the demand may not be there because we are going to be past the holidays but obviously still going to be people trying to get home. what the airlines have been doing and talking to friends who have been stranded and certainly you have to too, jim, is they are just rescheduling people. and for the most part, doing what they can to try and make the best of the situation, jim. >> it is all we can do, it's all we have been doing for way too long. all right. shimon prokupecz. thanks very much. again, tonight's new cdc quarantine recommendations could take some strain of the airlines and others. cnn learned the nba just shortened its quarantine time for players and coaches to six days as long as test showings they are not infectious. that is a day longer than the cdc guidelines, which specify five days regardless of vaccination status. except for people who have also been boosted. they don't need to isolate at all, unless they are showing symptoms. and joining us now, cnn medical analyst dr. leana wen. she is a former baltimore health commissioner and the current author of "lifelines, a doctor's journey in the fight for public health." also, with us, dr. desi, pediatric emergency room physician at columbia university medical center, as well as a member of columbia's medical faculty. ladies, thanks so much for being with us. my goodness, if bwe could just get this past this thing. it's just wishful thinking i suppose. i want to ask you though dr. wen about the cdc updating guidelines today. as he i mentioned, they shortened the recommended times people should isolate when they have tested positive for covid-19 from ten days to five days if they don't have symptoms, if they wear a mask around others, for at least five more days. what do you think of that decision? as shimon was just saying at la guardia airport, might help flight crews who are kind of grounded right now. >> jim, this was a necessary step because we are facing the collapse of our critical infrastructure. the number of cases that we are seeing now -- it's really high. but it's going to get so much worse because we have exponential spread of an extremely contagious variant. the numbers now, by the way, are a significant undercount because of how many people who are not getting tested or getting rapid home tests and are not reporting it to public health authorities. we could very well surpass over a million new cases every day. and with those kinds of numbers, we are going to see our police officers, our food service workers, transport, and -- and other critical infrastructure not be able to function. and so, i think the biden administration, through the cdc, did the right thing today in shortening the isolation period. i wish that they made it a bit more nuanced making the distinction between vaccinated versus unvaccinated because the vaccinated probably are carrying the virus for a much shorter period of time compared to the unvaccinated. and i also wish that, in the future, they'd put in testing as a way to return to work because right now, maybe the issue is that there aren't enough rapid tests for us to have testing as a way to -- to figure out if you are still infectious or not. but i think that is something else that could be useful to potentially even shorten the isolation period even more. >> dr. wen, what does this look like, though, in practical terms? because right now, cdc guidance is for people to get tested five to seven days after they have been exposed or tested positive. but under this scenario, should you get tested much earlier on? there is also data to suggest that many people test positive far beyond recovering from the virus, whether or not they were symptomatic. how does that fit into this guidance? >> yeah, i think the guidance right now is a bit confusing. but basically, we need to break it down to isolation versus quarantine. isolation is what happens when you test positive. quarantine is what you do when you have not tested positive but you have been exposed to somebody who has covid-19. so, there are differenceance between the two. what the cdc is now saying is that if you test positive but you are without symptoms, your isolation does not need to be a full-ten days. it could be five days. then, they are also saying that if you are -- if you are exposed so that means you are in quarantine, there is a difference there between vaccinated versus unvaccinated but they are also cutting the quarantine period there, too. so definitely, recommend people refer to the cdc guidelines, especially if their employers who are now trying to figure out what to do with getting their employees back to work. >> yeah, i suspect this is going to come as a great help to employers right now who are -- they are just all trying to figure out what to do right now. dr. desi, i want to look at hospitalization figures in new york city over the course of the pandemic for those 19 and younger. there is no mistaking that line at the end going straight up. you are there in the emergency room with children every day. what are you seeing with this new omicron wave, firsthand? and how children are being affected? because, you know, that is something we don't focus enough on. >> thank you so much for having me. um, so what we are seeing on the ground now in ynew york is a rapid and dramatic increase in cases. comparing my shifts two weeks ago in the department where almost no patients were testing positive to the last couple of days, where more than half and now the majority of patients are testing positive who come into the emergency department. it is really a dramatic increase. um, we have seen, overall, in new york state and across the country, admissions to the hospital for children are also going up. but it appears most likely that this is proportional to the rate of rise of cases overall as omicron is just tearing through new york city and the rest of the country. um, as far as we have seen, it is not particularly more virulent or dangerous for children. um, but because there are just so many more people being infected, we are just seeing more kids being admitted as well. >> and, dr. we kn, in light of e cases the doctor was just talking about and the high transmissibility, many parents are wondering if they should hold back kids from in-person school in the upcoming-first week or so right after the holiday break. i know, some parents are watching right now and they are absolutely tearing their hair out hearing me ask that question. because of the experience that we have all been through. but what would you tell them right now? >> i would tell them that they should keep their kids in school and the reason is that we know that schooling is essential and also we know that there are ways for us to make schools really safe. i understand that this is a really frightening time, especially for parents with children who are still unvaccinated. i would say to those parents if they are -- if the kids are 5 and older, this is the time to get your children vaccinated because of how much this virus is all around us. we have a choice. we can get our kids vaccinated and give them really good protection, especially against severe illness. or we can let our kids face the virus, so please do not wait to get your kids vaccinated. for parents, whose kids cannot get vaccinated who may be younger than 5 and are going back to preschool or kindergarten or daycare, there are still ways to keep your child safe, as well. making sure everybody else around the child at home and in the school are vaccinated and boosted is one. also, maflk masks really matter and quality of masks matter as well. a single-layer cloth mask is not going to do it even for little kids. i would recommend at least a three-ply surgical mask. you can wear a cloth mask over it if needed or at least a several-ply cloth mask. but those are additional ways to keep kids safe and testing in schools can be an added layer of reassurance, too. >> dr. desi, there are still extremely long lines throughout the u.s. for testing. i am sure you are seeing them in new york on your way to work and despite the president's announcement last week about adding more, it may still take weeks for the uptake in home tests to meet the demand without the ability for the average american to go out and get tested when they need it. i mean, people are just scrambling at the pharmacy right now, day by day, trying to figure out is there a test that i can buy? do you worry about our ability to contain this wave without adequate testing available? >> it's a really important point and unfortunately we are behind the ball on this one. um, families are scrambling, especially around the holidays to get tested and new york city has great testing infrastructure and still we cannot keep up with the number of tests we need in this particular season with this wave. so we are seeing patients in the emergency room just simply here to get a test because they can't get it anywhere else. i advise families to reach out to their pediatricians, go to their cities' websites look where you can get tested before you come to the emergency loom because we are really overburdened with patients and it's cham ledging to come here to get a test. but hopefully, i know in new york city, the efforts to increase testing sites, there have been pop-ups all over new york city and hopefully we will be catching up in the coming weeks. >> all right. best of luck to you up there in new york. dr. leana wen, dr. desi, thanks so much for your time. we appreciate it. and next, the governor of a state -- connecticut -- that was so hard hit at the start of the pandemic and what it's doing now to get ahead of a rapidly rising case curve hoping this time will be different. and later, new reporting on phone calls potentially by the former president just hours before the insurrection and the role that they are playing in the house select committee's investigation. in a statement cutting quarantine time in half, cdc director rochelle walensky said quote these updates ensure people can safely continue their daily lives. that said, when it comes to the tools needed for doing just that, namely, easily available home testing, her boss, the president, said today that more needs to be done. >> we went from no over-the-counter tests in january to 46 million in october. 100 million in november. and almost 200 million in december. but it's not enough. it's clearly not enough. if i had -- we had known, we would have gone harder, quicker, if we could have. but we have to do more. we have to do better. and we will. >> president said that on a call with the nation's governors, some of whom were taking steps of their own to face the omicron surge. connecticut governor ned lamont, for one, announced his administration would distribute one million at home rapid covid-19 tests, 6 million n95 masks and distribute 2 million covid-19 tests to k-through-12 schools starting in next month. we spoke briefly with the governor before air time. >> governor lamont, i -- i want to talk to you about the initiative in your state distributing tests and masks. but first, i just want to get your take on this call with president biden. what did he tell you? and did you or any of your fellow governors express concerns or frustrations with how this pandemic's being handled right now, with how testing is being handled right now? >> i think we appreciate the partnership of the president and the federal government. wasn't always that way. the president was very clear that omicron is a source of real concern but not panic. that, we are so much better prepared and able to fight off this virus today than we were, say, a year and a half ago. and then, we talked about what we can do together. governors of the frontline troops in terms of getting the vaccines, getting the tests, making sure that people are taken care of. >> and you heard president biden acknowledge the shortfalls on testing. do you think the white house missed this? did they fail to see this threat of the omicron variant? um, is that why you're taking matters into your own hands when it comes to distributing testing and masks in your state? >> remember, the rapid test didn't really exist nine months ago and omicron really happened in the last month. so, things are moving pretty quickly. look. i am very thankful that president biden is going to probably be making, um, you know, 5 million rapid tests available to the state of connecticut. um, you know, sometime in the next month or so. but in the meantime, you're right. we took matters into our own hands. we went out, we contracted, and purchased 3 million rapid tests. are going to hit the ground over the next week. a big focus on our schools. doing everything to keep our schools open. that's in the best interest of the kids and that's how we keep our economy open. >> and connecticut was one of the hardest-hit states at the beginning of the pandemic. um, we are seeing another surge there now, but thankfully, so far, hospitalizations are not rising as severely. um, in addition to the tests and the masks that you are distributing, what other steps are you trying to take right now to stop this spread right now? i mean, it -- it's pretty alarming, the way that this is moving. >> what's alarming is how fast the infection rate is moving. you're right. um, new york sneezes, connecticut catches a cold. we are not going to repeat that story. the good news is while our infection rate is up, we stabilized things at the hospital for now. you never know what curve ball variants could throw our way next but right now we stabilized the hospitals. much lower number than we had a year ago, thanks to a very high vaccination rate in this state. and i hope that holds. >> and i spoke to dr. anthony fauci earlier-this evening. he seemed to be saying the administration is not expected to pursue a vaccine mandate on domestic flights anytime soon. after suggesting earlier in the day that it could be a good idea. what's your response to that, governor? do you think it's time to start talking about maybe having vaccine mandates to fly domestically? i mean, dr. fauci, initially, indicated that this was a good idea. why not? >> well, broadly speaking, jim, i am trying to make it faster, easier, free to get vaccinated, to get tested, to do all the right things. sometimes, you can push people too hard if you mandate, mandate, and browbeat. you know, that said, perhaps domestic flights, international flights, vaccines are important. i look at our nursing homes all the time and the number of nurses that are there. time for them to get a booster so we will figure out whether persuasion is working. >> and in terms of the cdc's decision to shorten the isolation period to five days for people who test positive but are asymptomatic, what do you make of that? is that a good thing in your mind? are you seeing any confusion potentially for people out there with these new -- these new timelines from the cdc? >> well, cdc, um, bobs and weaves a little bit. that can be confusing. but overall, i think it's the right thing. i mean, five days, no symptoms, test negative, get back in the game. look. i can't afford to lose nurses. we know the airlines can't afford to lose stewardesses and pilots. we have a real labor shortage. we are very thinly traded so if i can get people back to work safely, i am for it. >> all right, governor ned lamont, thanks so much for joining us. good luck combatting this terrible variant in your state. we appreciate your time. >> nice to see you, jim. and coming up. a new view and perhaps new insight into a christmas eve incident that is almost just beyond words. the death of a 14-year-old girl huddled in fear in a department store dressing room, killed apparently by a stray police bullet. moments ago, the lapd released body-cam footage. we will have a live update, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. hi, i'm steve and i live in austin, texas. i work as a personal assistant to the owner of a large manufacturing firm. i've got anywhere from 10 to 50 projects going at any given time. i absolutely have to be sharp. let me tell ya, i was struggling with my memory. it was going downhill. my friend recommended that i try prevagen and over time, it made a very significant difference in my memory and in my cognitive ability. i started to feel a much better sense of well-being. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. when you have xfinity, you have entertainment built in. which is kind of nice. ah, what is happening. binge-watching is in the bag, when you find all your apps, all in one place. find live sports faster just by using your voice... sports on now. touchdown irish! 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>> and what more do we know about this -- this girl? um, i mean, just breaks your heart to hear about this. >> it -- i mean, what we know about her is just little snips and pieces that we're gathering from our affiliates in chile that she is originally from there. the family says that, um, she had come to america to try to improve her life and that they could not imagine that this would happen. the family, the mother and the father, jim, are going to be holding a news conference tomorrow morning here in los angeles to talk to the press so that they can know a little bit more about what happened in this 14-year-old girl's life. jim? >> and some very serious questions are going to be asked about the appropriate use of force in this situation. no question about it. all right. kyung lah, thank you very much. and joining us now is the former acting baltimore police commissioner and cnn law enforcement analyst, anthony barksdale. also joining us, paul callan, criminal defense attorney, former new york city homicide prosecutor and cnn legal analyst. anthony, um, as a former officer, what stands out to you about this video? i mean, the thing that i am thinking about here is okay, they are dealing with a suspect with a heavy bike lock. that use of force -- i -- i assume is going to be looked at, whether that was appropriate? >> the use of force must be looked at. at the time the officers make contact with the suspect who, in my opinion, clearly was going through a mental-health crisis. was the use of the patrol rifle justified? and, jim, if you're going to fire a 223 round inside of a department store, those rounds can easily rip through a body and keep right on moving through drywall. so, the use of force must be looked at. >> and the thing that i keep coming back to is this is lapd. i mean, these should be experienced officers who understand these questions. and, paul, legally speaking, walk us through how this investigation will work. this young woman's death has been ruled a homicide by the medical examiner. is it possible the officer could face criminal prosecution here? >> well, it is possible he could face criminal prosecution for either a reckless or criminally neg -- negligent use of the rifle in firing the shots in this atmosphere. this is a directive. it is called directive 1.2 that was issued by lapd in october of 2020 outlining when you can use deadly-physical force. and it -- part one of it says essentially if you have a fleeing felon who may hurt somebody else, that would give you reasonable grounds to use deadly-physical force to stop him. but there is yet another provision that says any officer using such force must be aware of his surroundings and the danger that the use of force might pose to innocent bystanders. and i think that's where the focus will be on this, in terms of whether the officer acted properly. now, bear in mind when these officers entered that department store, they had reports that maybe a shooting was going on. we -- there's other film that was released that indicated he had beaten at least three females. then, he started removing his pants as he was going to commit a sexual assault on somebody. and there was actually blood on the floor as they approached him, and the officer then fired the fatal shots. but i think the real question, when you go back over these films, will be did he have to fire at that particular moment? and should he have considered, as the commissioner said, that this is a department store? maybe, with thin drywall and maybe with innocent bystanders close by. so, it is a very, very difficult case and it could be problematic for the officer i think. >> and, anthony, the suspect that police were aiming for was also hit and killed. no gun was found on the scene. but they reportedly did find a heavy cable with a lock attached to it. that the suspect is believed to have used to assault a woman. um, we -- think we see it in some of that video. how does that change the equation, in terms of the justified use of force as paul was just talking about? >> if you can't show me a victim that he was heading towards or an officer that he was immediately moving towards, um, then i don't see it. and, jim, throughout this incident, you hear some of the officers' training kicking in. you hear diamond formation. you hear, slow it down, slow, slow, slow. but we see the actions of the officer with the assault rifle push forward. he wants to take the lead and we see the results. so, the training. this is lapd and you heard some training trying to kick in. but in the end, we have something horrible happen and this poor 14-year-old girl is no longer with her family and that's a tragedy. >> yeah. and of course, we are going to be hearing. >> hfrom her parents tomorrow. according to kyung lah, tllg be a news conference tomorrow on all this. we will be following that. anthony barksdale, paul callan, thank you very much the appreciate it. up next, a new view of just how brutal the january 6th capitol insurrection really was. striking new surveillance video. that and new report ongoing what the house select committee is now looking into. purchases on your discover card. new details tonight in the january 6th investigation. earlier, i heard from the chairman of the house select committee investigating the riot bennie thompson. he tells me that phone calls with the willard hotel war room where a lot of trump allies and aides to the former president were gathered are a key part of the probe, and they are looking into, quote, anyone who was on them. meaning, they may be looking at possible phone calls, including with the former president. this comes, as the brutal nature of that riot was displayed, once again. a three-hour video has been released showing the battle between rioters and police during the insurrection. showing rioters spraying police with pepper spray, hitting them with a baton, and even stealing a shield from officers. our next guest predicted the insurrection in a series of tweets, more than two weeks before the riot on december 21st, this is what he wrote. quote, on january 6th, armed trumpist militias will be rallying in d.c. at trump's orders. it is highly likely that they will try to storm the capitol after it certified joe biden's win. i don't think this has sunk in yet. perspective now from the author of that tweet, extremism and political analyst and founding writer of the hat tip, a aria cavler. your twitter threat obviously proved to be terribly prescient. how was it you were able to see what the american public, u.s. military, law enforcement community were not able to see coming? >> i think -- i think keeping a very close eye on those forums and public spaces open in public where trump's most hardcore supporters met and talked. and the one thing you have got to remember is that for several months, they were absolutely convinced that trump was going to win the election and win big, you know, he was going to win california. 40, 45 states. and then, after election day, when obviously he lost, trump continued to say i -- i've won. um, and you will see soon and they all believed him but they didn't just believe the election was stolen, they believed trump had a plan to win. and any day now, it was going to be proved. and january the 6th was the last real day that you could keep that fantasy alive. and so, when trump himself summoned them to d.c. on january the 6th, this was really only going to go one way. these were people who are coming to d.c. expecting to watch trump win somehow. whether that was by congress somehow, nevertheless, deciding to make him the president and throw out the -- the biden votes. or whether it was by trump using the military or perhaps the crowd themselves as the militia to basically storm congress and install a dictatorship. so once they were there and they were there because he called them there, i think it was only going to go one way. >> and these threat streams, you were seeing. they were publicly -- publicly visible at the time, correct? i understand you thought a warning from you directly to the fbi wasn't necessary but you were concerned enough to tweet about it. and i was looking at some of these tweets earlier today. they've been retweeted thousands of times now. so obviously, they -- it's had an impact. >> yeah. look. i mean, it never occurred to me -- the fbi or anybody because to me it would be like calling up the inauguration parade to tell them there was going to be rain. you know? this is something that was so obvious that the authorities would and should have known about. in fact, i spoke to other people after january the 6th that said they did call the fbi with what they saw. um, so even if i had, i don't think it would have made really any difference. >> and we showed some video in your introduction that the justice department released this-past week of one of the battles between rioters and police at the u.s. capitol building on january 6th. was this the level of violence that you expected to see? we are looking at some of this now. >> absolutely. i mean, the truth is i -- i expected it to be worse. um, in some senses, i think the u.s. got extremely lucky on january the 6th. the shooting never really started and if it had, things might have really gone terribly worse. it's only, remember, the fluke of a couple of seconds and the good graces of eugene goodman, officer goodman. the -- the mob didn't end up capturing senators. there are so many things that could have gone much worse than they did on january the 6th. and the level of violence we saw is horrifying to see and the fact that it went on for so long, also. but it was also a miracle that the shooting didn't really start and it might have been a bloodbath that day. >> absolutely. i mean, you can only imagine what would have happened if they had captured mike pence or -- or nancy pelosi or mitt romney in all those harrowing scenes. um, and aria, we are coming up on the anniversary of january 6th as you know and there are midterm elections ahead in 2022. what sorts of things are being talked about online right now that are a cause for concern in the weeks ahead? what are you picking up on that maybe, once again, people here in the united states may not be, you know, paying enough attention to? >> if you go now into the kind of maga online spaces, and the adjacent qanon spaces. not exactly the same people, though there is some crossover. the vast majority of the conversation there is about the pandemic. it's all vaccines and mandates and masks. and probably, the number one figure right now amongst that group isn't president biden. it isn't vice president, either. it's anthony fauci. you know, they are absolutely obsessed with fauci. um, the pandemic is a hoax. this is all a form of control. and, you know, frankly, what we've seen even before january the 6th is a lot of this right-wing violence directed at pandemic -- you know, the seizing of the state capitols in 2020. the governor whitmer plot and, you know, if it was me, that -- that is where i would be concerned about the potential for future violence. >> aria, thanks very much for your time. we appreciate it. and hopefully, officials in this country are heeding some of your warnings this time around. thanks for your time. >> thank you. just ahead. clues in the ghislaine maxwell trial about what the jury may ultimately decide as they weigh the fate of sex offender jeffrey epstein's former companion. when it comes to autism, finding the right words can be tough. finding understanding doesn't have to be. together, we can create a kinder, more inclusive world for the millions of people on the autism spectrum. go to autismspeaks.org what if you could see the details of your great-grandparents wedding day... ...or the record that welcomed your great-grandmother to the world. your family story is waiting to be discovered, and now you can search for those fascinating details for free—at ancestry. this is elodia. she's a recording artist. 1 of 10 million people that comcast has connected to affordable internet in the last 10 years. and this is emmanuel, a future recording artist, and one of the millions of students we're connecting throughout the next 10. through projectup, comcast is committing $1 billion so millions more students, past... and present, can continue to get the tools they need to build a future of unlimited possibilities. how not to be a hero: because that's the last thing they need you to be. you don't have to save the day. you just have to navigate the world so that a foster child isn't doing it solo. you just have to stand up for a kid who isn't fluent in bureaucracy, or maybe not in their own emotions. so show up, however you can, for the foster kids who need it most— at helpfosterchildren.com perspective from criminal defense attorney and the investigative reporter with the miami herald and is the author of "perversion of justice," great to have both of you with us. a dozen of questions to the court since deliberations began. what do the questions tell you where the jurors are at right now and a number of questions, is that a lot? >> yes, good to be with you, jim. the questions i think there are about 11 or so questions with the one today, tell us a few things. number one this jury is focused on credibleaility and corroboran of these witnesses account and they find the indictment is extremely complicated and they're making their best effort to break it down. with the last question today they may be confused as to count four. let me start with the cre credicre credibility issue. we are in the thick of the me too times movement. i can tell you it's becoming extremely dangerous that we are to believe women with no corroboration and i am not speaking about specific these accusers but in general that you constitutional rights and due process rights are being trampled upon. the defend had a point they are motivated by money. they never broupght up maxwell until they are lawyered up. this is indictment of six counts and four accusers and each of these counts have elements, they are sex trafficking of a minor count. this jury came up with a question of can we have a white board and color posted which is how us lawyers prepare for trials. it tell s me they're paying attention to pair up the accusers with their charges and the elements of the testimonies they heard. lastly they are confused of count four because they thought an under lying illegal sex act n new mexico, the judge clarified, i am confused what they are asking about. i am going to refer them back. i bet the defense was taking careful notes about that in the event that maxwell is convicted in that count. >> julie, you are reporting of the arrest, what's your take on the question the jury had asked so far and the fact that they asked multiple witness testimonies during deliberations. what are you picking up on? >> they're definitely some kind of conflicts there. the longer this goes on as most people know, it's better for the defense. they are debating certain elements of this indictment and the charges they have to go through. these counts are very complicated. they have various elements to them. many lawyers themselves don't even unless you deal with these kinds of sex cases often don't even understand these charges. so you are asking people to really understand these charges. i would like to correct one thing and that's not only all these women spoke up when the money was in the pot so to speak. that's absolutely not true. one of the victims who was very much abiused for many, many yeas told authorities about it over a decade ago. any farmer and another victim told them, many years ago as well. i want to correct at it. i understand the idea that they receive this money from epstein's estate and how it hurts their credibility and it does. i want to make sure that people understood that it was not always the case that they did. >> that's why you have been working on this story for so long. the charges and indictments in this case are complex. how big of a task the jury has, not only understanding the elements and becoming a decision on each of them. >> jim, they're going to have to go through, first of all with respect to the conspiracy count, they don't have to find that maxwell completed the crime. it's enough that they find maxwell was involved in the planning and scheming even if epstein was the ones completed the crime. that's a category in of itself. you get to the substance of counts where they have to find for the sex trafficking, for example, they have to find those lingerie buys and gifts and things or with intentionally and willfully done to lure these girls and essential lily knowin they're going to get paid for sexual activities with epstein and others. there are different analysis that have to take place. it's complex for lawyers and let alone other people. this jury is doing the best that they can under the circumstances. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. my family's been devastated by covid-19. and we're not alone. we've all had to find new ways to keep going. and cue has made that easier. with cue, you get lab-quality covid-19 test results in just 20 minutes. speed and accuracy. it's just for the nba; it's for you too. cue health. the official covid-19 home test of the nba. go cue. go you. trelegy for copd. 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