here's the situation. first, from 30,000 feet, cases and hospitalizations in this country both up 40% in the last month or so while scientists think that omicron is more contagious, most cases so far appear to be mild. but late today president biden warned that won't be the case for the unvaccinated in the path of omicron as it likely explodes at the beginning of the new year. >> it's here now, and it's spreading, and it's going to increase. for unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for unvaccinated, for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they'll soon overwhelm. but there's good news, if you're vaccinated and you have your booster shot, you're protected from severe illness and death. >> sometimes the macro statistics are a blur, especially where we repeat them night after night. so let's go to the more anecdotal, which brings home the reality of what's going on. princeton and cornell university, middle bury college, all shifting to remote exams. cornell closed its entire campus this week. some of the hottest shows on broadway cancels various performances often because of breakthrough infections, and that comes despite a vaccine mandate for performers, crew, and staff and audience mask and vaccine mandates. pro sports getting crushed, the star players of the milwaukee bucks, the cleveland browns placed in covid protocols. the calgary flames season on hold with 18 players in protocol. tonight's game with montreal hosting the philadelphia flyers being played in front of zero fans. ap apple stores are closed in miami, annapolis, maryland, and ottawa. booster mandates are coming to georgetown university, nyu, the metropolitan opera in new york and for all nfl coaches and staff. i don't know about you, but while i'm vaccinated and i'm boosted, i'm increasingly resigned to the fact that i'll probably get covid. i'm also confident that my vaccination status will enable me to deal with it much better than if i were unvaccinated. as for those who won't get vaccinated, i'm convinced that no amount of browbeating is going to cause them to change their ways. i don't wish them ill, but there's also a limit to my sympathy and compassion should they not take steps to protect themselves and society. and finally, i'm resolved not to let covid stop me from leading a productive and as happy a life as possible, notwithstanding a headline like this. covid positivity rate doubles in three days on omicron spread, and before you think that's media hype, check out this tweet today from a senior health adviser to the new york mayor, quote, we've never seen this before. and you see the numbers below that, the rate dramatically spiking in less than a week. so with all of that, we welcome mayor bill de blasio to the program. mayor, what the heck just happened here? >> omicron happened. this is a whole new animal, and we got to be honest about the fact that it's moving very fast, and we have to move faster, and honestly, michael, i really appreciate the humanity and the sort of openness of what you said about what you're thinking. i'm only going to differ with you on one thing. >> tell me. >> the folks who aren't getting vaccinated, if we apply mandates forcefully, it actually moves a lot of people. the number of people who are just 100% ideologically dyed in the wool anti-vaxx is very, very small. 90% of adults have had at least one dose of the vaccine, and there are plenty of people with strong opinions here. there are plenty of people like donald trump here, there are plenty of people who don't want the government to tell them what to do. the mandates are different because people are not going to lose a paycheck over it. they're not going to not be able to go to a restaurant. if you say here are some clear rules, you want to fully participate in society, all you got to do is get vaccinated, the vast majority of people say i'm in. >> you're 11 days away from the most stringent employer mandate in the country, to play devil's advocate, i could say city employees, teachers, restaurants, gyms, theaters were already subject to a mandate of yours. were they unsuccessful? >> no, they were, and now we're taking it to the next level because there are hundreds of thousands of businesses that were not part of those previous mandate s. a lot of retail was not covered by that. barber shops were not covered by that. we're going to reach across the spectrum in the business community, office workers and we found with restaurants in this city, theaters, it worked. it actually was good for business. the customers knew they were safe. the employees knew they were safe. business has been booming. we found with our public employees, we're now at 94% with our public employees, a lot of drama. there were a lot of people who said no way, except when we said, hey, here's your choice. get vaccinated or you can go on leave without pay. most people don't like to be on leave without pay, and they said, okay, i'll do it, and their families wanted them to do it, and that has made all the difference. >> you know that some business groups, i guess i'd cite "the wall street journal," their editorial said you're kicking small business when they can least afford it. >> covid is bad for business. mandates are good for business. covid's bad for business. i've heard from so many business people, first of all, bluntly have said please do it for us. if the government does it, we don't have to be -- >> the bad guys. >> we don't have to say let me explain this to you. we can just point to the sign on the wall and say, hey, everybody's got to do it. please make it as universal as possible so folks won't go from one industry to another, they're trying to shop for a place with no mandate. i think this is what's going to save business and what's the worst thing in the world for business, what's going on in germany, shutdowns, restrictions, that's what kills businesses. that's what kills jobs. mandates are actually going to save us from having a shutdown. >> tom friedman says the world is frat. t flat. we're like a chain that is only as strong as our weakest link, if middle america isn't doing something different, then what does it matter? it comes here eventually. >> it does, but what you said before was profoundly true. if someone's vaccinated, particularly they've gotten that booster, they're a hell of a lot safer. they still might get covid. i might get covid, but we're going to live through it. we probably don't end up in the hospital, which is not only good for you and me. it's good for the whole society. it's good so that our hospital system can treat people in greater need. i believe the more mandates, the more impact, and we've got to be bold about this. ma mayors, governors, ceos, bite the bullet. just do it. yeah, you're going to have protests. guess what, it's a global pandemic. suck it up. go and do it, get it done. >> should there be an exception in your mandate for people who have had it. i know if they've had monocrowal treatment or pla. >> not if you listen to all our doctors. it's an honest question. i've had this dialogue with a lot of people from the heart. and i know they see some real safety in having had it. there's some truth, but it's not the same as being vaccinated. our doctors will tell you clearly, if you want the maximum protection, the maximum likelihood you won't get it and you won't transmit it, you've got to be vaccinated. and by the way, covid, for god sa sakes, covid has taught a lesson. it changes all the time. so the reason you want to be extra careful is because you don't know what the next curve ball is going to be. we've got to be honest. mandates work. we've proven it here. united airlines have proven it. let's just go do it and i think it's going to take bluntly political courage amongst elected officials and even among ceos. >> there's no testing exception either. i mean, you're hardcore, right? you don't recognize if someone's had it nor is there a testing exception to your mandate. how come? >> because testing only allows you to find out if someone's got it. it doesn't help you stop it. we looked at the models in europe. they were much looser. i said if there's only one thing that we know works is vaccination, let's go all the way. right now 90%, as i said, 90% of new yorkers have had at least one dose, and even though we've seen a business increase lately, our hospitals are doing very, very well. that's not true in the rest of a lot of this country and the rest of the state it's not true. our hospital system is strong, we thank god had very few deaths because the more people are vaccinated, the more people are going to make it through. it's as simple as that. now, i can tell you something, if we didn't put these mandates in place, i'll give you sheer simple matt, 60% of our adults were vaccinated when we started the mandates. it's 90% now. the united states of america is about 60% fully vaccinated. new york city is over 70% fully vaccinated. all residents. >> you're doing all of this on your way out the door. how many days left? >> 16. >> eric adams, he can undo all of this. >> he's going to follow the leadership and the advice of the health care leaders, and they are clear as a bell. you know, every tool distancing is good, masks are good, but there's something that rises above all the other tools is vaccination. >> and you're off to run for governor? >> i am going to be continuing in public service for sure and i am going to be going afternoon the state of new york. >> should you be doing better in the first of the surveys given that everybody knows who you are. you've got the name i.d. >> i do have name i.d., and i've governed through an incredibly tough period, and i hope whatever the political future, i hope people say a lot of these decisions were the right thing to do. we're all going through a lot right now. i'm not going to judge anything about public opinion and politics in the middle of what is a live pandemic. my job is to keep new yorkers safe. the politics will take care of itself later. >> i like to respond to social media in realtime. >> all right, will you join me? let's see what's come in. i think this is to you. smerconish, if what you were saying in the new york city mayor, why is there going to be a new year's celebration in as many days, even as you have said you expected to get covid? why is there going to be a big celebration? >> we made the decision back when things were better. we said vaccinated people only and outdoors. >> how do you enforce that? >> literally every i.d. >> a million people? >> sure, we're working with our partners, the times square alliance, and everyone's been told for weeks and weeks, don't even show up unless you're vaccinated. we're going to reassess constantly with the new information. we're going to follow the data and the science. right now it's on. we'll make a decision as we get closer to what should finally happen. one more, let's see what it is. >> the virus won, it's over, the virus won. no longer makes sense to think we'll beat the virus with more transmissible but leslie than strain, it's endemic. we should start to treat it like the flu, or we can continue to freak out with every news release. buy into any of that? >> i agree don't freak out. i agree one day it can and should be like the flu. the flu takes some lives too, the flu's not nothing. the flu can be controlled. we all get our flu shot and life goes on. i do believe that's what's going to happen with covid. that's what our doctors say, our leadership here. i would disagree on one level. focus on the way to get to that point. endemic does not need to mean it dominates our lives. right now covid's dominating our lives. i want to covid in the background. you didn't wake up two years ago and say oh, my god, i'm so worried about the flu. you went down to the pharmacy and got a flu shot. >> people want to lead their lives. i feel it here in new york city, i'm from philadelphia, so it's not like i live in a rural area but i feel it in every block that i walk in new york city. if i were in the middle part of the country with you, i don't think we'd see masks. i don't think we'd be showing our vaxx cards anywhere. i come back to that point where unless everybody's on the same page in the country, we're kind of screwed. >> you know how you get on the same page? people have to lead. i believe with enough leadership, enough mandates we're going to get a hell of a lot more people vaccinated. the more people vaccinated, the more we actually make the transition to a time when covid is in the background, not the foreground, and we know these mandates work, and we know people respond. look, human beings, are pretty predictable. if you say your paycheck depends on it or your ability to enjoy life or go do the things you want to do, people will make the practical decision overwhelmingly and they aren't getting vaccinated. mayor, thanks for being here. thanks for responding to the social media as well. >> what are your thoughts? tweet me at smerconish or go to my facebook page. i'll continue to read your responses throughout the course of the program. we've already dealt with what we've got. be sure you go to the website as well. in tonight's survey question quickly for you, should the definitionin of fully vaccinate include a booster? >> we are looking at that right now. >> because yours doesn't, right? >> not yet. i think that will be the way of the future. we're discussing that with our health care team. i can tell you this much, we have 1.5 million people boosted already in new york city. we need everyone to get there. >> i'm taking that as a yes. >> we're getting there. >> up next, one of president biden's former covid advisers, what will year three of covid look like, and is it time to treat the unvaccinated and vaccinated differently? dr. szeke emmanuel in the on dek circle. purchases on your discover card. >> man: what's my safelite story? i spend a lot of time in my truck. it's my livelihood. ♪ rock music ♪ >> man: so i'm not taking any chances when something happens to it. so when my windshield cracked... my friend recommended safelite autoglass. they came right to me, with expert service where i needed it. ♪ rock music ♪ >> man: that's service i can trust... no matter what i'm hauling. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ ♪ cases of anxiety in young adults are rising as experts warn of the effects on well-being caused by the pandemic. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ woman: i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer ♪ ♪ yeah i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin, yeah that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ woman: keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. most who achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months had lasting clearance through 1 year. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin at 3 years. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ it's my moment so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ woman: talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way at carvana. feel stuck with student loan debt? 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>> no, i don't think that's correct. first of all, in march 2020, we didn't understand a lot about coronavirus. second of all, we have vaccines now, we have the ability to change those vaccines. we're getting oral therapeutics. we have much better tests and test availability. none of that's perfect, but it's much better than it was in march 2020. we also have a much better understanding of how to handle really sick patients in terms of medications and how to titrate their oxygen better. i think you're not correct in saying that we're right back in march 2020. >> well, i'm happy to hear that. i laid out some anecdotal information at the outset of the program in terms of what's going on around the country, schools closing, apple store closing, whatever the case may be. is any of that an overreaction? do you see the signs of us being too visceral in how we're responding to the latest turn with regard to omicron? >> well, my university is one of those universities that today sent everyone home. my final, which starts on monday is online. we were expecting to do it in person. i think there is a sense that the positivity rate's going way up. we had more than a doubling last week of positive students, and so i think that's motivating people. this is highly, highly transmissible. i mean, if you just look at the curves, the line goes straight up. it really is very transmissible and people have to take that seriously, and i unfortunately think some people are. we're seeing a big uptick in people getting vaccinated, for example, an uptick in cancellations of parties and things, and those are probably good reactions to slow the spread and to maybe stop the spread here. >> am i incorrect in saying to mayor de blasio a moment ago, obviously as someone who lacks any medical expertise or degree, that what he's doing in new york is only as strong as what's going on in the rest of the country? because ultimately, this virus knows no boundaries. >> yes and no. the virus does move. people do travel, but he is right in that what -- first of all, what he's doing is showing a model for the country. second, it will affect the community spread and the prevalence in the community, and it is good to bring it down. and i do think it will, you know, visitors will, i think, slow down because of omicron. there's going to be less travel, so i think what he's doing is actually quite positive. remember, he was one of the very best examples of how monoandateo work. they work at the municipal level, they work at the business level. i would agree with him when you talk to a lot of businessmen, not on camera, they say, yeah, please impose those mandates on us. we can't do it ourselves, but if you do it, we can get our workers to be vaccinated. people want cover and he's the mayor who's providing cover in this case. >> what other strategies would you pursue to reach the unvaccinated? >> well, i actually do think it's mandates. i would like to -- and i've called for months now a mandate for air travel and train travel, and bus travel. i think that's absolutely critical to have happen. i would like to see when we get more data on the effect of the vaccine in children, mandates for going to school. i think these are going to be very, very important to get our arms around this. >> dr. zeke emanuel, thanks so en mu much for being here. >> thank you, mike, take care. >> make sure everyone is going to smerconish.com and voting on tonight's survey question. should the definition of fully vaccinated now include a booster? go to my website, cast a ballot at the end of the program, we'll give you the total. and keep the social media coming as well. what else has come in so far, vaughn? you stay home if you're scared. i'm out living my life uninhibited, unafraid and unvaccinated. you're scaring the crap out of me right now, perry. we ain't all sheep who get hysterical when the media tells us to. i'm not hysterical at all, i'm vaccinated. i'm boosted and i said i'm out there leading my life. i'm trying to do it in a way that's responsible not only for my own health but for yours as well. i would suggest that you're out there leading your life and not showing me the same level of courtesy and respect. what else came in? how do you reach those people? i don't care about surges in covid contagion. i only care about hospitalizations and deaths, and those are mostly unvaccinated. not my fault, not my problem. well, you know, sir winston, i said earlier that i'm running out -- i have empathy and compassion only to a certain extent. you can lead a horse to water, as they say. i think that everyone now is educated as to the necessity of being vaccinated, and the fact that if they're unvaccinated and now get the virus, they're going to be in a hell of a lot worse position than those who are vaccinated. so i'm kind of at the end of my patience and sympathy for those who are unvaccinated and end up getting it. a covid surge is just the latest roadblock for the biden administration. the president now admitting democrats won't make that christmas deadline to pass build back better. so with a faltering agenda and faltering polls just how much trouble are democrats in going into the midterm? 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story never told. it's the greatest first year of job creation any president's ever had. we started with an insurrection, now we're bringing them to justice. for the first time since i can remember we've had an infrastructure plan. we're out of america's longest war, and the democrats have an outstanding record, and look we did this with 50 senators and a four vote majority in the house. imagine what we could do with 53 senators and a 15 vote majority in the house. there's a heck of a story to tell here in 2020 thus far. we still may get good portions of build back better after the first of the year. i mean, it's not a legislative deadline. there's nothing magical about doing it prior to december 31st, it's the same congress in session. i think this is a good news, and we need to tell people about it, and we need to remind people we don't want to go back to 2020. >> so why is he under water? are you going to tell me the president hasn't sold it, or the people around him or a combination of both? >> well, look, he's under water for any number of reasons, and the story is not getting told. i blame myself and commentators like me for that. i blame the white house some for that and i blame cnn and the media outlets. you would never know that we're creating these jobs at almost a record pace right now. i mean, you can't imagine how much power that employees have right now compared to a year ago. i mean, if you're an hourly employee, you're doing pretty good out there. you have some say so over your life, and that's a pretty stunning achievement. and we got to make a resolution here that we're going to do better and also we're going to put -- we don't want to go back to 2020. if you look at how this president conducted himself in kentucky with the grace and the compassion, and go back to donald trump in puerto rico throwing paper towels at people. i mean, we got to remind people of what's been done. hopefully we won't get the v vote -- i can take this and go to post with it anytime you want to. >> joe manchin a blessing or a curse for joe biden? i think there's an argument to be made that he'd have to create joe manchin if he didn't exist because he reins in those most progressive elements of the party. >> well, let's see when it's all said and done. i mean, senator manchin, i think he's a patriotic american, and you know, just because we don't get it by the 31st, doesn't mean we can't get something after that. i know he's big on voting rights. he helped author the bill. hopefully we can figure something out there. the best way, if you don't like the power senator manchin has, let's elect three more democratic senators. let's pick up a seat in florida. let's pick up a seat in north carolina or pennsylvania or wisconsin, or ohio. there's all kinds of opportunities. you get 52, 53 democrats and you're ready to roll. the circumstance of not doing very well in the congressional elections in 2020. >> i know you read brett steven's piece in the "new york times" saying joe biden needs to say i'm not running for re-election, and he needs to say it sooner than later. based on your first answer, i'm sure you're not buying it, but go ahead and react. >> he's not even a year into his term. and brett steven ss a nice guy. he's got to think of something twice a week to put in the newspaper and this was just maybe the best he could do this week. but there's a whole lot of football between now and the primaries in -- >> but james, i have to say because i had begala here last night, and he acknowledged -- he acknowledged, you know, in the cloak rooms of washington, this is the sort of thing people are buzzing about, not just brett stevens. >> but paul is in the cloak rooms in washington, i'm here in mississippi, and i'm seeing help wanted signs. i'm seeing people paying $800 bonuses to sign up. you know, he's right, everybody in washington, we start talking about -- in new orleans we talk about the next dinner before we eat lunch. in 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that the 2020 election was a train wreck. it may have cost my next guest his job at fox news. he was fired from his role as political editor after the network called arizona for biden on election night. he says fox hosts primed the pump for the assault on democracy. chris stirewalt is now the contributing editor for "the dispatch" and joins me now. i of course, chris, like many of us will never forget those events and when that call went down. i wonder if arizona hadn't been called when you folks called it, how might that have bolstered trump and led to something else taking place on january 6th? >> well, you saw how miserable he looked when he came to the cameras that night because they -- and mark meadows admits as much in book excerpts that he's put out that this was a real shot. he was flabbergasted that my boss, bill salmon that we were not going to knuckle under to the criticisms about this because they wanted that narrative intact that night. and it's amazing to hear people say it out loud, right? it is now amazing to me to hear that this stuff is taken as normal by a pretty substantial wing of the republican party that they were trying to steal an election and they were frustrated by the fact that we wouldn't let them, and that's just -- it kind of gives you the chills a little bit. >> how would roger ailes have reacted to all this? >> you know, he was a very changed man by the end of the time that i knew him, but roger ailes in his prime i don't think would have been consumed by donald trump. i don't think that he would have been victimized in this way, and he would have probably given himself more operational space. the thing that ailes was good at was being unpredictable. he would zig when they expected him to zag. one other thing that roger knew that was really important was fox had to have enough journalistic credibility. there had to be enough of a backbone in there of actual journalists so that you could afford to have the exaggerations or the partisanship or the over the top performances of the prime time host so that you could point back and say, hey, look, we got it. that's the editorial page. that's the entertainment. this is the news division and they do good work. >> i said here for the last couple of nights that the tweets, the texts that were sent to meadows were appropriate because i'd like to think that somebody wanted the events to get shut down and the president to hurry up and intercede. of course the aftermath was horrible because then they acted like there was nothing to see here on the 6th. i read your piece in the dispatch. now i have a different take. you point out that in the laura ingraham text, mark, the president needs to tell the people in the capitol to go home. this is hurting all of us. and you drew attention to the word "us." what am i talking about? >> well, so january 6th is bad for all americans, right? this was a dark day. it wasn't the worst thing that this country's been through in this search, but it's high on the list. this is a big moment that we'll remember for all time, and it should touch all of us. but it's an open question what she meant there. did she mean all of us americans? i kind of doubt it. i think all of us means the people who threw in with trump, the people who were backing trump, public figures who had gone along with trump, in fact, in his efforts to prefigure a circumstance that will allow him to try to steal the election at the end. and when sort of his supporters lived down to the expectations, the worst expectations that people had of them as they assaulted the capitol, that sort of ruined the game, right? it ruined the pitch, which was, well, we're just asking serious questions about an election that may be rigged. those people who stormed the capitol took seriously what hosts like hannity and ingraham and others said over the course of the election. this is very suspicious, mail ballots are very bad. this whole thing could be rigged. as they echoed trump, they primed the pump, they created that space. >> when i speak to private dp groups or public groups i'm often asked these cable folks and the talk radio hosts, do they mean what they say? now i'm looking at those texts versus the way this has been handled thereafter. what would your answer to that question be? >> so here's the deal. what they were doing that night and thereafter was spinning for republicans, right? they were saying, oh, well, maybe it was antifa. actually, the election was a mess. and then eventually we would end one patriot purge stuff that tucker carlson did and all of these things. on the one hand you could say they were functioning as an arm of the republican party. but what you could really say is that what they're advising for the republican party isn't even good for republicans. the right thing for republicans to have done on january 6th was to take a step back. uh-oh, what did we do? this got way out of hand, but that's not good for tv. that's not good for revenue. if you say to people things have gotten out of hand here, we need to reassess what wae're doing. we need to look at our part of this, that doesn't keep people tuned in. what you're telling them is the last thing that these viewers want to hear, which is you have a part in this too, and you need to think about that. >> hey, i'm limited on time. i woke up this morning watching a fox segment of chest thumping deaf defending the rights of people to be unvaccinated and i was watching individuals that i know are vaccinated, which i think speaks to the point that you just made. >> yeah, you know, look, one of the things that i've always respected about your work and admired you for is that you paint things as complicated. you don't just cut right to the end and say, oh, it's a you will this or it's all that. there is nuance. it is hard, and as journalists when we talk about serious things we need to take them seriously. doesn't mean we have to take ourselves seriously, 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's what we were asking. should the definition of fully vaccinated include a booster? results, 85% say yes. interesting. 15% say no. that word's got to come from the cdc, and i think mayor de blasio was pretty clear here earlier tonight that he's looking to change it in exactly that way. here's some some of the social media that came in during the course of the program. i only think about the surge when i accidently let the media remind me of it. get busy living or get busy dying. i'm getting busy living, and i'm concerned about the surge only insofar as unless we get ahead of it, we're not going to be able to continue to get on living, but it's not got me overwhelmed. i i gave you that impression at the outset of the program, that was the wrong impression. and just want everybody to get onboard. smerconish, three people from fox, trump's son and others, had to beg meadows to get the potus to do something about the mob. they warned him that someone might be killed and that there would be violence. what bothers me is that he didn't give a damn. there are a lot of things about that that i find intriguing not the least of which why did don, jr. have to go through mark meadows to reach the old man? i mean i want to know and i think this january 6th committee or commission is getting to the bottom of it. what exactly was the president doing at that time? was he walled off? what did meadows do? here's a question if i were taking his deposition. mr. meadows, you received that communication from sean hannity, right? yes. well, did you share it with president trump and if so what exactly was his reaction and ask the same about laura ingram's they were sending the right message. i have no beef with them sending that message. they just should have followed it up in kind when they addressed it on their own television programs. thank you for watching. i'll be back tomorrow. don lemon tonight starts right now. this is don lemon tonight. thank you so much for joining us. look, i don't blame you if you feel like scrooge in the grinch right now. the news on the covid-19 pandemic getting worse by the day as the holiday season hits full effect right now, i almost forgot to take my mask off to start the show. they had to remind me you have your mask on. didn't we think that we were done with this? well, as we have seen time and time again covid is not done with us. cases surging about 120,000 new cases per day. and let me say that again, nearly