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he has an incredible background. just the music is incredible. it is there in his brain and he knows how to perform it. i have to say i had a lot of amazing reporting experiences but to be privileged to stand in their home and watch him do an hour long set at the piano with his wife watching was among the most incredible moments really of reporting i've had. >> his wife is great and a big reason for his longevity. the kid can cook by the way. tony. he can cook. and he is a nice little artist. he is a nice little artist. i interviewed him once with my pop. he got nervous and started drawing me. it wasn't bad. he couldn't draw you. you can't capture all that beauty. me he did all right. he is something special. a great story to bring people, anderson. really cool. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. happy hanukah to my jewish brothers and sisters. enjoy night two of the festival of lights. i hope thanksgiving was a reminder for everybody of the good people and the good things in your life. lord knows we could use the help, right? now, i will take a little bit of a different take than a lot of other media. i don't know that it helped this thanksgiving holiday to have the media blasting word of this new covid variant omicron. of course the information is news. but the timing. the tone. the hype. goes way beyond that which is justified by the urgency at this point. we don't know that much. and so it being presented to you as more questions than answers, yeah, because the data isn't there. it is not because the information is unsatisfying, the answers are incompetent. that is not what it is. here's what we know. south africa reported seeing cases. now, the key is, this new variant is the fastest growing one there. that matters and is news worthy no question. what else do they know? they don't know symptoms. anecdotally a clinician said the symptoms they've seen have been mild. why isn't that part of kind of the first blush on what matters here? instead there is too much talk about not knowing if it is resistant or if the vaccines fully work against it as if we had proof going both ways on it. we don't even know if this variant is worse for us than delta. that variant by the way still ripping around america without the fanfare of the speculation going on with omicron. all the feverish concerns prompted a reply from the president of the united states. >> this variant is a cause for concern not a cause for panic. >> why? here is what he said. >> we have the best vaccine in the world, the best medicines. the best scientists. we're learning more every single day. we'll fight this variant with scientific and knowledgeable actions and speed. not chaos and confusion. >> good. and just a note for the record. let's hope they keep that same energy. and that it will be aided by the president and his emissaries, letting us know what they know when they know it. don't continue this pattern of us having to catch there were things you knew that you could have told us and didn't. please let's do better. so far, little to panic on based on the facts. are there cases here? maybe. they don't know. there are cases nearby in canada and at least 17 other countries. there is no good reason to believe it wouldn't come here. again, it could be here. we just don't know. we have therefore no idea what this variant means for us here. symptoms, hospitalizations, deaths. those are the metrics that matter most as you know. so why don't we just treat it as an unknown until we know. why can't we adjust this avrice for making it something? why drive it that way? all you are really driving is more misgivings about the quality and nature of the messaging coming to the american people about this virus. omicron, the 15th greek letter. i think it means little "o." whatever. they skipped a couple letters in labeling of variants for different reasons. there are at least seven variants of interest or concern and those words mean things to clinicians. interest means one thing and concern something more. but they never got any of this hype. why? because they didn't present major threats. okay. fair point. we don't really know what the threat of this one is. let's stick with that. when you know, when you can show why there should be concern, come with it. so here is what we need to find out. and they tell us we'll know a lot of these answers in the next couple weeks. is it here? omicron more transmissible than other variants? does it cause more severe illness than the others? then of course how does it do with the vaccine? there any particular mitigation method that works better against it so we can stream line and reduce what we need to do in response to it? the one answer again, though, that does justify the attention is that it can't be good that omicron is now the dominant strain in south africa less than two weeks after it was first detected there. it is unusual growth. cases have climbed about ten fold in south africa over all from two weeks ago so a high transmissibility rate is a possibility if not a probability. we don't know for certain. that is why another aspect of the coverage, everybody is in a rush to bring on all the big pharma guys, the ceo of pfizer today said he thinks his company's current vaccine might work against the omicron variant but may offer less protection. he doesn't know. he is not certain. i don't know how that is helpful. but a chief medical officer said he is concerned with the specific mutations associated with this variant that could allow it to elude current vaccines. again, a could, an educated guess. they don't know. until they know why don't you just say i don't know? we're looking. as soon as we get the data we'll bring it. part of it? breathless media, fragile public. reacts to the unknown. and there is a sense that these guys should act like they know things, right? why don't they know? because they don't. they're not politicians not in the business of selling you a proposition no matter what the facts are. as for the president, and others, telling us the best protection against omicron is get fully vaccinated or get your booster shot again, i'm not saying -- i got vaccinated and i understand why people want the booster shot. but why say that about omicron when you don't know how it interacts with the vaccine? one argument. because it is better to get the protection we know than no protection at all and we still have other strains to fight specifically delta. okay. fair point. another way to look at it is making that suggestion may be taking the bait of projecting strength without the facts behind it and again you open yourself up to attacks by those who are desperate to undermine. what can we do to prepare? the u.s. restricting travel to block flights from certain country, other nations putting travel bans in effect. is it the right move? it certainly buys time to slow the spread as scientists work to study the unknowns but it doesn't come without cost. especially during a very high travel time of the year. let's get a better read on this variant omicron. dr. peter singer special adviser to the director general at the w.h.o., world health organization, joins us now. thank you, sir. doc, were you offended by anything i've said before i got to you? >> chris, thank you for having me on your show. i think you covered what we know and what we don't know quite well. i certainly wasn't offended by anything and i think that was a pretty good summary of what we know and don't know. >> and you understand especially because the w.h.o. has had to remedy excuse the pun several misinformation campaigns along the line here. if you come out and say this is the new one, the big one, limit travel, limit this. go get your vaccine. and you don't really have the data what happens if the data doesn't meet up with the initial urgency? you could say people will say, better safe than sorry. i don't think that will happen in america. what is your concern? >> i think that, you know, we did call this a variant of concern. that is because we are concerned and as you mentioned the mutations that drives some of the concern. but i think your summary was good. a prudent approach is good until we get the answers to the questions you laid out about does it cause more disease, is it more transmissible, does it evade vaccine? we are working hard to get those answers. as you say we should have them in weeks. in the meantime there is stuff people can do and i think a prudent approach here is called for. that means raising your guard. what raising your guard means here is if you are not vaccinated please get vaccinated because that could save your life. vaccines are necessary and also you need to follow the public health measures people know so well. outdoors better than indoors. well ventilated rooms. physical distancing. wear a mask. those are prudent things that people can do to take in their own hands while the answers are being sorted out. >> the only thing i would say is you have to be careful about connecting this variant to the efficacy the vaccine because we don't know yet and while it is likely the vaccine should have some degree why set yourself up for pushback? what does it mean to people coming out of south africa that it is growing very quickly there, spreading very quickly, but anecdotally they don't see people getting very sick. how does something spread very quickly but not make people very sick? >> that can certainly happen. those are two independent things. a prudent approach here, i like the way you set up what we know what we don't know. let's find the answers on a broad population base rather than grasping at the initial factoids? this is a bit like the fog of war. you know? we really need to take considered approach to get the data. there is one other thing, though, that i think is really at the heart of this, which is the idea of omicron is a wakeup call as though we needed another wakeup call to vaccinate the world. the issue of vaccine equity. the point i want to make is the safety, one of the best ways to keep americans safe is actually to vaccinate the world. not only is it an ethical thing to do and with rates like 60% to 70% in the u.s., 7% on the african continent, you have to wonder whether we really love our neighbor. the point i want to make here is it is the smart thing to do because it is self-defeating not to do it because this is the way to make variants is to let the virus rage and mutate. that is what we don't want to do. >> a couple things. who do we know is getting sick from this variant in south africa and when you talk about the mutations what does that mean the spike protein but first who is getting this? a lot of breakthrough cases, unvaccinated? >> there's early reports of a few breakthroughs as you say but i think the prudent approach is what you said earlier. get all the data and the full picture. >> so we don't know yet. >> and i think that is a fair summary. on the mutations issue, this one has a lot of mutations around 30 in the spike protein areas, so there are reasons for concern but prudence just like we're talking about is a good way to go. you know, on the -- to go back to the point of vaccine equity, though, i think that this is really something we need to focus on. the greek letter after omicron is "i." "i" will be coming if we leave large swaths of the world unvaccinated, the virus rages and mutates. we can prevent that. why not, you know, we need to shut the barn door before the horse bolts. the way to do that is to vaccinate the world. >> so do you believe that these travel restrictions are warranted at this point? >> the travel restrictions issue, the rules of the road are set by governments themselves and that is the call of governments. w.h.o. asks governments to do two things. one is to make sure they're risk based and make sure they're time limited. i think we need to keep two things in mind here. one is they're not a silver bullet. they can have limited effectiveness. secondly, they have side effects, south africa, this was a case of brilliant cutting edge science by south african scientists, transparency by the government. they should be rewarded the governments of south africa and botswana for transparency and that should be incentivized not punished. the scientist that was reporting this tweeted today because of the travel ban he can't get the reagents to keep being our eyes and ears. that is a per verse incentive. >> one last thing and i appreciate you doing this on an important night here as we are doing a reset after thanksgiving in the midst of hanukah. the idea of what we should do prudently, get the booster, or assuming you can't do both because you don't have enough or get the vaccine you can to the other places with the 7% to create a base of prevention outside the united states as you outlined. assuming you can't do both nearly as well as you could do just one should that be the focus? >> let's look at the concrete numbers. w.h.o. has set a target of every country vaccinating 40% of their population by the end of this year. to do that we need just over 500 million doses of vaccine. and here is a place by the way where we can say thank you to the u.s. which has donated about 275 million doses of the vaccine. of course the issue is not just donation but also countries being able to make this for themselves. that is the current issue of urgency, chris. that is the way to save lives and the way to make the citizens of any country safer. you know, what we've got here is a five-alarm blaze and the world has not sent out enough fire trucks. >> i'm with you. i get the united states is leading the way. that is not unusual. in terms of what matters most if it is rollie about getting people vaccinated and we are doing that at a legit pace maybe that should be the focus instead of boosters. i appreciate you. thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. great to be with you. >> all right. so let's bring in our own resident big shot who understands these things and also understands messaging very well. sanjay gupta. what does he make of what he just heard, of the unknown, the prudent course? the chief doctor, next. 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let's bring in chief dr. sanjay gupta. i hope thanksgiving was good. you know i am thankful for you as a friend and colleague. >> same, brother. >> am i putting too much water on this fire? >> no, you got to remember when we talk about these variants that are coming out, there have been thousands. there have been a few we've heard of alpha, beta, delta, omicron that have risen to these variants of concern level. there are others that are variants of interest that really never amount to anything. so there's enough signals here that the scientific community is worried. they've seen it become the dominant strain in south africa quickly. that speaks to its contagiousness. they still have to learn more about that. it is in 15 plus countries around the world despite the fact the first specimen that identified this was collected just three weeks ago. this is unfolding real time. we are seeing the scientific process unfold. i think it is the mutations again these signals, one called e-484k. that can sometimes cloak itself from antibodies. maybe making it less susceptible to the vaccines. there is another one that can potentially make it more transmissible. when you add them all together is it going to lead to something really problematic? they don't know. this is kind of like we're going around a blind curve, got bad signals there, pumping the brakes a little bit. i think that is how they're approaching this right now. >> here is my concern, doc. people are so skeptical they are looking to find a hole in any suggestion that is a function of some type of political agenda being thrown at them. why play into that here by saying could be could be could be instead of saying, hey. we're watching this one. we need a couple weeks to figure out this, this, and this. and then not saying anything until you know the answers? >> part of theish yow with something like this and public health is by the time you react after you've collected all the information you are reacting late. you have to be proactive in how you react here. it doesn't mean massive actions. shutdowns and things like that. i think it is again going around the blind curve here, you don't know what lies on the other side so you're pumping the brakes as opposed to continuing the same speed or accelerating. some things in terms of the vaccines, the boosters, woe don't know about the crossover effect impact it will have on omicron but most scientists say it is going to have some. if you then boost on top of it you get a bigger cushion effect which is why i think now the boosters are being recommended for all adults because even if those antibodies aren't as effective with omicron as alpha, beta, delta, the more antibodies hopefully the more protection. can't say for sure. nothing is a hundred percent certain but that is the sort of thinking here. also things like masks. the nonpharmaceutical interventions like masks, like some physical distancing again not shutting down can go a long way regardless of the variant. i think we'll probably hear more about that in the days and weeks to come. >> we know that works. look what the flu was like last year, almost none of it. i don't know that i heard from anybody who said they had the flu because we were doing these other things. just to point out sanjay says we are not without data to cause concern. hospitalizations in one province in south africa show a threefold jump in the last three weeks that may well be corresponding to this. so that should be put into the mix, too, of why we care about it. i am with you, sanjay. i just want to give ourselves the best chance to be straight with people and not create problems before we get a chance to explain the real problem. >> yes, don't panic but have a plan. talk about the fact when you are certain of things and be very honest when you are not certain. i think that is happening here. >> failing to plan is planning to fail. dr. gupta as always you're a plus. appreciate you. >> thank you. why do we have to be extra careful? it is not just about accuracy but the atmosphere. we are in the midst of a real virus of poisoned politics. it was a call today between two members of congress at odds after one of them equated the other to terrorist because she is muslim. and that call went bad fast. >> she continued to press and i continued to press back. and then representative omar hung up on me. >> well, you're calling her a terrorist. you know what i'm saying? people have different levels of appetite for bigotry. there is a lot more to the controversy though. and you're going to hear representative omar's side of the conversation with republican rep boebert next. ♪ my songs know what you did in the dark ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ i'm on fire ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em... ♪ as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ xfinity rewards are our way of thanking you just for being with us. enjoy rewards like movie night specials, xfinity mobile benefits, and the chance to win tickets to see watch what happens live. hey, it's me. plus, get holiday gifts for everyone on your list with great deals on fan favorites from today. join over a million members by signing up for free on the xfinity app. our thanks. your rewards. republican representative lauren boebert refusing to publicly apologize directly to democratic rep ilhan omar for the anti-muslim remarks she made about her. the two spoke today after that video surfaced of boebert implying omar could be a suicide bomber. the call didn't go well. omar hung up on boebert who says she, quote, refused to publicly acknowledge her hurtful and dangerous comments and instead doubled down on her rhetoric. boebert followed up the call with this defiant video. >> rejecting an apology and hanging up on someone is part of cancel culture 101 and a pillar of the democrat party. make no mistake i will continue to fearlessly put america first, never sympathizing with terrorists. unfortunately, ilhan can't say the same thing. >> were you sorry or not? and what are you sorry for? i don't know. doesn't make much sense to me what is going on in terms of trying to make it better. let's discuss with scott jennings. what is your read? >> well, i'm not surprised about the way the call turned out. to be honest. i was surprised over the weekend when boebert issued an initial apologetic public statement. i thought that meant, and i think i was right about this at the time i thought it meant kevin mccarthy had encouraged her to do that privately. she then walked it back a little bit which again i was surprised. i didn't think the suggestion that these two would talk would yield any positive result. my read is these are two of the five worst members of congress and the idea they were going to have some conversation and emerge with some political enlightenment, that is a low percentage chance. aspirational, low percentage shot. i'm not surprised at all the way it turned out. >> is there any line of decency that your party has to hold anymore? is it okay to say she is part of a jihad squad and the elevator guy came running over, we don't know if that happened, omar says it didn't, because he was afraid she might be a terrorist. saying well she doesn't have a backpack on. i guess we're okay. those are okay things to say? >> no, absolutely not. the comments are absolutely reprehensible and they come from someone who believes that is part of her job as being a congressman to say outrageous, stupid, reprehensible things. it is not okay. it is also by the way not okay for omar to say some of the things she has said. what you have here are two people who have both said crazy things and they've both been roundly condemned by the other side and by people in their own party. what is so crazy about the situation to me is you have two people here who i don't actually think understand what the job of congressman is. they are both in it for the wrong reasons and that incentivizes saying stupid things. is there a line that was crossed? absolutely. is it a terrible thing to have done? a hundred percent. do i think there are people in both of these conferences that are constant headaches for leadership? you bet. they both happen to be involved in this and that is why the phone call turned out the way it did. >> no question omar has gotten herself in trouble but there is a consistent drum beat in your party of people playing to this kind of ugliness. and the reason i say i don't know if there is a line, you know, i hear you. you say there is. i hope you're right. but nobody ever says anything about it in the party. none of the leadership. they're just kwoi et in these cases. and the best you get out of any of them is i don't like when anybody says this stuff republican or democrat. it has to be equal. how is it going to make it better? why would boebert not keep doing this? >> i think that when you're in the position of a leadership of a party, you have to try to -- what is the best way for me to behave in some kind of behavior modification? i think mccarthy is in a tough spot because there are a bunch of people in his conference boebert included. this is part of their schtick, their existence. i actually think they occasionally do things like this hoping that the leadership will publicly come down on them because then it enhances the overall effect of the craziness they were perpetrating in the first place. so what mccarthy did here was troy to work behind the scenes on a behavior modification strategy and it initially caused some positive result. >> do you know he did anything behind the scenes? >> boebert issued a tweet which is more than i ever thought he would get. i think he is always in this impossible box of trying to figure out what is the right thing to do knowing there is virtually nothing you can do to stop people from doing this because that is what they went to do in the first place as reprehensible as this might be. >> how do you know mccarthy was working behind the scenes to get her to apologize and them to call? >> i talked to people in his orbit about it. i know that he -- i know that initial walk back by boebert over the weekend, i mean, she almost immediately walked it back. i don't think she woke up the next day and thought better of it on her own. do you? that was clearly, you know, somebody leaning on her saying, hey. you've gone way too far here. they didn't do it publicly but privately. now, the suggestion that she call omar aspirational but probably destined for failure which it did but the idea, look what happened to gosar the other day. he didn't apologize. he didn't joys. and so the idea boebert did get to some kind of an apology over the weekend told me that the leadership team was trying to figure out a better way to modify these things than they have been able to in the past. >> mccarthy says he talked to her so, you know, take him at his word. just again he took a little slip there when he had that phone conversation with the president about january 6th and then afterwards seemed to forget and say it was all okay and he hadn't done anything wrong. so i got to be careful about how i allow him to be portrayed in terms of how he is exercising his influence. i guess the concern is that the moderates are going to have to make the change on both sides of the equation here. and i don't see this on the left either by the way. i don't see them stepping up. i said on the show where is chuck schumer? why is everybody talking about joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. isn't this his job to deliver for the president or tell the president he can't? so i am not unilateral on this. if they don't stand up, scott, and this stuff is done behind the scenes, you're not going to change any of this. >> well, a, i think you may be over ascribing the power that any of these in either party congressional leaders have to tie the tongues of these members of congress who say the things that none of us like. i do think you just hit on something that is vitally important. neither boebert nor omar represent in my opinion the vast majority of the people who reside in either of their parties. you have people who exist on the outer bands of our political ideologies and, yet, today and over the weekend they are at the center of our conversation about our political discourse. 89% of us are out here saying neither of these people represent me yet they are taking up all of our attention. neither of them represent most people. neither are all that influential or effective member of congress, yet they are allowed to define our political discourse and it is bad >> i agree. not with the effectiveness stuff. that is your place to assess not mine. i just feel like one of the reasons -- i know it. one of the reasons they get attention is because they don't get the significant pushback. yes, the media likes the provocative. yes it's click bait. yes people will say oh, i'm not a fringer but they'll listen to them. but when the moderates don't stand up and create a bulwark, back stop, then it only emboldens them. look, i appreciate you saying it, scott. be honest. give yourself more credit. i don't have a lot of republicans like you dying to come on saying she has to shut her mouth and gosar was wrong. i don't see it especially if they are actively in office. i appreciate you being straight with the audience and i wish you well. >> look, here is my advice to any republican member who goes to congress and has to deal with this is if you feel compelled to speak out, do it. it is not going to cost you a darned thing to say what everybody is thinking which is, this is crazy. it is not jermaine to problem solving in american public affairs right now. if you feel compelled to say it absolutely do it. it is not going to cost you anything. there is a better way to have civil political discourse in america and a better way to debate the other side than what this example is. you shouldn't feel sheepish at all about saying it. that is my advice. >> just so you can get guys like cruz and rubio on your side, just pretend it was a democrat who said it. now what would you say? apply the same rule. i think you wind up in a better place with your election hopes going forward. scott jennings be well. appreciate you. all right. >> thanks. >> we have to stay on this new crime spree. i think we are getting too affected by the videos, right? because it is so unsettling to see over a holiday weekend gangs of looters. it speaks to a complete breakdown of law enforcement, smash and grab robberies are not abating. it is all over the country. and there is no question that the videos are absolutely eye candy. have you to watch them. where are the cops? how are there so many people doing this? organized flash mobs are the answer. there is organized crime going on here. are these treated like organized crime? no. they are not addressed like rico on the federal level. should they be? are we missing the real opportunity to fix? instead of saying get the paddy wagon and chase the guys all over the place maybe there is a better solution. and i say that as a rhetorical question because there is. i want to bring in a top executive from the national retail federation. why? 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when biden met with ceos today in the retail sector, nobody mentioned this. without federal help, i know policing is local. i know. but if this is organized crime, that is a federal province. and it is a numbers game at the local level and law enforcement is struggling to keep up. even the chp california highway patrol which has had a task force to stop this for three years, they don't have good numbers. fewer than half as many arrests as investigations. so is there a better way? we have the chief administrative officer and general counsel with the national retail federation. good to have you. >> thanks. it is good to be here. >> you say look at the video, sure. but don't let it be a distraction from the real problem. you say, it's the organized nature. and the only way to get at it is to look at where these things are fenced or sold. what do you see there? >> well, woe see a variety of tactics there, chris. we see the good old fashioned traditional tactic of tables down at st. mark's place, things spread out at a local park a few blocks away. i know our members have seen that in san francisco. they've seen it in other cities as well. but of course there is the internet and in the last ten to 12 years that has definitely been the factor that has really changed the way things are sold and frankly made it easier for people who want to develop and participate in these organized retail rings to sell their goods whether it is on a market place or through their own website. a ring that was recently busted in california had developed its own free standing website to sell stolen goods. >> do you believe that social >> do you believe social media could be a lot more helpful if they're setting up shop on their platforms? 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