accidental discharge, but that wasn't before many, including at least one pilot, believed there was an active shooter. >> i'm not parking the aircraft at the concourse. out of an abundance of caution for your safety. again, we've got an active shooter situation in the airport. we're parking at the terminal out of abundance of safety for yourselves. we'll keep you advised on when it's safe to continue. thank you for your understanding and cooperation. probably your outbound flights as half the airport has been stopped for ground departures for those of you that flight that is you might miss that are still going, my apologies, but again, our safety is your first priority. if that happens to be the case, delta will reaccommodate you accordingly and we'll keep you advised. >> that video was recorded before authorities determined there was no active shooter. on the phone with me now is director of the office of communications and public affairs at hartsfield jackson atlanta international airport, andy gobile. the gun that accidentally discharged, did it belong to a passenger? >> yeah, good afternoon. apparently, it was a passenger. this happened about 1:30 this afternoon. he was in the middle of the screening check points when somehow they recognized there was a weapon in the bag and when either the officer went in or the passenger went in to get it, it accidentally discharged. obviously, when you were taking a look at that video of everybody running away from that in that enclosed space, loud noise is going to create that sense of chaos, if you will, and that's what happened. everybody ran out. they took care of it. we know who it is. talked with the commander of the atlanta airport police precinct. they're going to detain him shortly and we've got the all clear here at the airport. >> are you identifying the passenger at this point and do you believe that this passenger was attempting to bring the gun through security in an instance when he should not have been? in other words, do you think he was violating some sort of airport policy here that is going to be something you need to look into? >> well, the investigation into that obviously is ongoing, but one of the major issues that we have here at atlanta and other airports as well is we're trying to make sure that people do not bring weapons through the checkpoints. having this weapon could be recovered because it feels our training processes from our leagues at the tsa are working. what the motive behind that is still to be determined. >> asorry to ask you so many detailed questions, it's the reporter in me, did the bag go through the screener and did it show up on the screen and that's how it was detected? can you explain that just briefly? >> that's still to be determined. i don't know the answer and i wouldn't want to offer a conjecture. >> do you mean how many shots were fired from the weapon? >> i think it was just one and that's what created the chaos there in the area. but one of the other reasons as well is when everyone moved on out, it impacted the rest of the airport. because we are the busiest airport in the world and so important to the commercial aviation system, we had to make sure that all the rest of the passengers throughout the concourses were addressed. those passengers who had made their way to the tarmac will be re-screen and operations will be returning to normal. >> about the passenger with the weapon, you were just saying your officers are speaking with that passenger as we speak. do you know whether or not this passenger is cooperating? was he cooperative after this gun was detected? >> no, jim, they're not speaking with him right now. they spoke with him earlier as he was going through, but they have the information. they know who it is. >> and so he was released from custody or if you want to call it custody? >> no, i wouldn't describe it that way. what happened as he was walking through, they saw there was a weapon there and he made his way out of the airport and again, he's in process of being screened, we had all of his information. >> so just to button that aspect up, this passenger, you found the weapon. your officers had a conversation with him and then he was allowed to go about his business and he has now left his airport. >> no, he was not allowed to go. as the weapon discharged, he took off and was able to make it outside of the airport. >> oh, he did take off. >> correct. >> the gun discharged and he started running? >> that's the report that we have, yes. again, the investigation is ongoing. we're getting the information as we move forward. still, we want to clarify everything and i don't want to give too much specific information because i wouldn't want to be incorrect. >> i totally understand. i appreciate you bearing with me. do we know where he is right now? do you know how to track him down if you need to? >> again, that's going to be a question for the police and they have his information. >> they have his information. and now the police may have to go track him down is what it sounds like. >> they have his information and i expect they will, yes. >> yeah. and andrew, thanks for bearing with that. we just played video of a pilot telling passengers there was an active shooter in the airport. why would a pilot think that? was there some initial information there might have been an active shooter and that is how that information got disseminated or perhaps the pilot was putting two and two together and got 22? what happened there? >> i think it was the latter, jim. i think that's what happened. he probably heard what was going on and offered conjecture and moved forward from there, which is why we immediately mobilized. this happened at about 1:30. our emergency operations center was up and running shortly after that. we started to inform the public as to what's going on. we wanted to make sure everyone knew what was happening. we immediately let people know this was an accidental discharge, not an active shooter. >> yeah. but accidental discharge, if you don't mind that term, makes it sound as though, you know, oh, whoops, this happened and no big deal. the fact this person ran after this happened, that's more worrisome, i would think, from your standpoint. >> well, again, this is something that will be up to the police and law enforcement officials who will will conducting the information. >> what i mean is stan tdard operating procedure would be say you're a passenger, didn't mean to bring it to the airport. you forgot it was in your bag. the officer detects it, finds it, and you cooperate. you speak to the officer. resolve it. maybe have somebody come by, pick it up, so on. not every one of these situations gets resolved in the way it was resolved or how it unfolded this afternoon is i guess the question that i have. >> that was a statement and not a question, but yeah. >> yeah. you know what i mean. >> exactly. so again, the processes involved involving law enforcement and tsa, they understand what's going on. so i don't want to speak specifically as to what happened here because when we look back a and look at the video an when the investigation is ongoing, i want to make sure everything i say here is correct and appropriate. so what happened from when this passenger entered the cue to going to the security screening area, that is still to be determined and investigated. >> and you said passengers who self-evacuated are being re-screened. i guess how do you know people who hadn't been screened yet didn't slip through security during that chaos? was everything emptied out so you could do all of that screening all over again? >> no, we didn't empty it out. i'm here in our emergency operations center with a wallful of monitors. they're able to come up with a specific count of people who had gone through and they will determine what's happening. so again, coordinated with the tsa and law enforcement will sh make sure those who had gone through will be re-screened again. >> are you experiencing some delays now that are cascading as a result of this incident? >> again, as we are returning to oper operations and wrapping everything up, we're dealing with the people being re-screened, but there is no substantial impact to operations. >> thank you so much. thanks for your patience in dealing with those questions. joining us now, nadia at hartsfield jackson. also, our transportation analyst, mary. first, i want to talk to the woman who recorded that video on board a plane of a pilot telling passengers there was an active shooter on board. she's a cnn news correspondent. i guess what happened in the moments after that video was taken? i suppose passengers were pretty alarmed by this. >> yeah, jim. it was honestly a stunned silence. not a peep coming from passengers, which you wouldn't ex expect in that situation, but everyone was extremely quiet, understanding the potential gravity of the situation. the pilot said, hey, if you have the means to get on the news, to access the news on your phone, do that. you might get details more quickly. so people started turning their little monitors in front of their seats, to the news, getting on the phone, trying to figure out what was going on. we sat there for 20 minutes until we heard it was an accidental discharge and there was an immediate moment of just relief because we know how ugly that can get, right? we know here in the united states, how ugly an active shooter can get real quick, especially in a populated area as this airport here in atlanta, which is a main artery for tr transportation to all parts of the u.s. and beyond. just relief. but right now, things are seeming to return back to normal slowly. still, a nightmare for these passengers. they're waiting in massive, massive lines, being re-screened through security. there is no clear. there is no tsa pre-check. everyone is barefoot, trying to get out their laptops, taking off jackets and waiting in these long, long, long lines and it's just packed here. >> all right. isabel. thanks for that report. nadia romero is also live for us. what do we know about this accidental discharge? i think we got a lot of new information from andy with the airport. >> yeah, jim. i just want to digest that a little bit more. when we look at reporting coming from the tsa, they said in the last ten months, they saw some 4600 firearms being brought through the tsa across the country. the majority of them loaded firearms. this is a major issue we're seeing not only here in atlanta, but in other major airports across the country. it is a crime. a misdemeanor felony charge if you do try to bring that firearm on through a check point. $2500 for an unloaded weapon up to about $10,000 for a loaded weapon. so there are epenalties. of course the investigation into the man who had his gun at this airport earlier this afternoon is still under investigation and now we're still in the midst of it. so as isabel mentioned, the airport now starting to get back to normal, but it is at a very slow pace. we have video sent in, my in-laws were coming into town. they landed. were getting off their plane about 1:30 right when this happened and my father-in-law sent in a bunch of video showing a sea of people waiting by the escalators off of the train so you can take trains to different concourses throughout atlanta's airport because it's so big. they're just waiting there as he's in a sea of people and so many other people are trying to make their way to other concourses hoping they can make that connecting flight and trying to get to baggage claim or anywhere else in the airport. that's what's happening on the inside. on the outside, we're starting to see more planes taking off, but not what you would normally expect from the nation's busiest airport. we're also seeing cars here moving much more smoothly but still a lot of red lights. a lot of stop and go traffic. we know that so many people inside immediately called their loved ones and told them what happened so you had people who were already on their way to the airport who then were already here and there was plenty of congestion. you had more people coming to the airport adding to that. so now we're starting to get back to normal, but still, jim, so many unanswered questions about the person with the gun, how it happened and where he is now. jim. >> what a mess. let me dugo to mary. i would think in your former position, you would be pulling your hair out right now. the airport officials calling this an accidental discharge, but you just heard the airport spokesman telling us a few moments ago this gun was caught during screening, went off at some point, then the passenger took off. what did you think of that? >> well, you know, the best thing that a passenger can do if they've accidentally brought a gun to the airport is obviously stop and cooperate and surrender. the first offense, about $4,000. it can go up to $13,000, but here, you add additional possible offenses on for fleeing, et cetera. atlanta has cameras everywhere, including on the areas leading up to the airport. so if he left the airport even went in the grounds around the airport, sidewalks, roadways, those are covered with cameras, too. i'm sure they have him already. and i have to mention the pilot. you know, what the pilot did made sense if the pilot was aware and i'm sure that he or she was, of the ft. lauderdale airport shooting back in i think it was 2017. five were dead, six injured. what happened is the people poured out on to the tarmac from the airport. they literally opened the doors, went in through the secure areas and ended up on the airport tarmac and there was a question for a long time as to whether the shooter was there, where the shooter was. so the pilot actually was just using an abundance of caution and i give the pilot credit for knowing that and knowing to stay away from the airport until they got the all clear. >> absolutely. honestly, when pilot s are passing on information like that to passengers, it is just so valuable and helps calm a lot of nerves because people just want to know what's going on. great insights as always. nadia, isabel, great reporting in that unfolding situation. we appreciate all i donyour eff this afternoon. coming up t, who isn't talking the select question. but we've learned about 200 people have testified. who's sharing and what are they saying? 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>> yes. many of them are people who were in the administration during the former president's term who have information that they want to give to us. as well as people involved in the events leading up to the 6th and they want to voluntarily give information. you know, we're putting the pieces together. it's pain staking. but it's thorough. and we hope when the process is completed, that we will have a very reliable and complete picture of the events that led up to that terrible day. >> and can you say a former white house staffers have testified? trump campaign staffers? the staff of the former vice president, mike pence? all of the above? >> maybe not that specific, but let me say certainly there have been people, part of the trump administration who have spoken to us and provided important insights that have led us to further questions. many people are coming in voluntarily. some we're going to have to subpoena and have in some cases, there will be more subpoenas. some need a subpoena, you know, to give cover for coming in and then there are also third parties who might have information, for example, we are following the money to find out who paid for. that's an important element of following the money trail and that's not always just testimony. it's documents. >> i want to ask you about that in a second, but your committee blasted former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, for refusing to say whether he used a private cell phone on january 6th or where his text messages are. can you give us some context on that? does the committee have information that he destroyed devices? deleted messages? >> well, you know, he has an obligation to come here and give testimony. he gave a very vague sort of absolute immunity he doesn't have to come in and testify because the former president and he spoke. well, there's a lot of questions that we have for mark meadows that have nothing to do with his conversations with the former president. some of them have to do with his use of, potential use, of a private cell phone and e-mail. what happened to those records. as you know, we are pursuing records from the national archives which scoop up all the presidential records after the term of a president. we don't know that everything has been captured. we'd like to ask him about that. but there are other conversations that he had with people other than the president relating to the events leading up to this. he has to come in and tell us. he can't just say, i don't want to. and if he thinks he has a claim of privilege, he has to assert that question by question. for example, putting executive privilege to one side. if you, you know, the fifth amendment says you don't have to testify against yourself. but you can't just say that blanket. you have to go question by question. on that point. >> right. and but i guess just to button up that subject, are there concerns that you have or others on the committee, that they might have that meadows destroyed evidence? >> i don't want to, it would be unfair of me to say that. but let me just say we would like to know about his use of a private cell phone and what happened to that cell phone and whether those records have been captured by the national archives as the law requires. >> and back to the money trail, pro publica published a report outlining text messages from donald trump jr.'s girlfriend, where she appears to brag about raising millions of dollars for the january 6 rally before the insurrection. her attorney says the messages were taken out of context and denies she raised money for the rally. has the committee been given those text messages and if not, do you want to see them? >> let me just say this. i'm not going to get into, at this point, to what evidence we have secured so far and what we're still seeking, but i will say this. it is possible to follow a money trail. we have a whole team of investigators that is following the money trail and we believe we have a very high chance of actually determining who paid for what and i think that's an important thing for people to know. >> and steve bannon, as you know, just pleaded not guilty to contempt of congress for refusing to appear before the january 6th committee. let's play a little bit of what he said about his inindictment. . >> this is going to be the m misdemeanor from hell for new mexico and joe biden. joe biden ordered merrick garland to prosecute me from the air force lawn when we got off ay air force one. we're tired of playing offense. we're going to go on the defense. stand by. >> he said stand by. some phraseology that may ring a bell for some of our viewers. do you see some of that language as a threat? 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>> i don't know. it was on you. >> what was on me? what are you talking about? i never had the measles. >> was on you. >> we never did a -- we never did a measles and vaccine episode. is this a joke? >> it was on "you." >> raymond, i've never had measles. what are you talking about? stupid. >> it was an episode of a show, laura. >> what's it called? >> "you." >> she insisted this was a scripted segment. the problem, we thought it was real because it's laura ingram. that's why it's funny. you also had jesse waters suggesting that the recent concert tragedy had something to do with satanism. >> so that looks to you like the gates of hell, the way that i guess they designed that? >> that seemed like it wanted you to go to the other side and so it did seem, you're kind of going down, you know, dante's inferno. the various stages of hell. there's flames kind of in the front there and you're kind of going deeper and deeper. >> oh, we're going deeper and deeper. jesse, if you're looking for the gates of hell or dante's inferno, check out the studio just down the hallway and listen for the maniacal laugh. be careful though, the doorknob might be hot. >> the one thing we know for sure about kamala harris is we should all be very, very grateful to have here because she's historic for reasons no exever explains, but there's a lot we don't know. most people don't know she really grew up in canada. it's where she went to high school. she's not from this country in that sense. or she's certainly also from canada. doesn't mean she's not going to be a good vice president, but why haven't we heard that? >> yes, tucker, your suggestion that kamala harris isn't quite american because she spent part of her childhood in canada has put you over the top. we once honored you with the distinction of bullshit factory of the month now, our first ever employee of the year. that's right, tucker. you've earned it. you've spent the past year peddling vaccine conspiracy theories about bill gates, served as a mouthpiece for white supremacists. you spread the false nearry that trump supporters weren't responsible for the insurrection only to contradiction yourself days later. and you had a crew embedded with kyle rittenhouse during his trial. yes, during his trial. >> it's the stuff that keeps you up at night, like, once you finally do get to sleep, your dreams are about what happened and you're waking up in a dark, cold sweat. >> you had dreams about what happened? >> every single night. it's quite scary, actually, because the dreams feel so real. and they're not the same at all. they're all different. they're the different scenarios that run through your head during the day, like what could have happened. >> what makes this this shameful is that you were filming this latest piece of one sided right wing propaganda while fox was slamming other media outlets for their kcoverage of the trial. of course, rejection and what aboutism are two key pillars of the fox news bullshit factory. which reminds me of something tucker acknowledged earlier this year. >> i mean, i lie if i'm really cornered or something. i lie. i really try not to. i try never to lie on tv. i don't like lying. i certainly do it, you know, out of weakness or whatever. >> or whatever. so congratulations. enjoy the honor. this was a tough decision because we had to limit the award to current employees of fox. not aspiring ones. ted cruz, he could have been a contender with his criticism of big bird and his accusation that liz cheney suffers from trump derangement syndrome. >> i look at the situation of liz cheney and i think it's sad. i think she falls into the category of people who donald trump just broke. just shattered. she's lashing out at trump, at republicans, at everything and she's become a democrat and it's sad to watch what's happened. it is trump derangement syndrome. >> cheney's response was pointed. >> i think that ted cruz, ted y used to say he was a constitutional conservative, but now he is like so desperate for political approval that he will even advocate succession and i think that a real man would be defending his wife and his father and the constitution. >> absolutely. but what almost did it for me was this cruz tweet slamming biden for his plan to spend thanksgiving with his family on nantucket. cruz tweeting there once was a man from nantuckett, which begs the question, is he trolling himself now? because immediately, there were so many renditions about ted cruz. they were everywhere. mine goes like this. there once was a man named ted. when texas froze, he fled. he went to cancun, but came back too soon. rest in peace, irony, you're dead. the reason why cruz and carlson spent so much of their time spreading manure is because there's a marketplace for it. it's dominated by fox news and it's got copy cats like newsmax. murdoch recently told his shareholders, conservatives will be held back if trump stayed focused on the past and that the past is the past and it's time for conservatives to think about the fup. i wonder if the company murdoch runs or the republican party he controls will even listen to that. i kind of doubt it. look at how the gop responded to one of its own, paul gosar, being censured for sharing a violent animae depicting him attacking prominent democrats with swords. >> today we're critiquing paul gosar's anime. next week, we might be indicting the wylie coyote for an explosive ordnance against the road runner. >> or really anything marjorie taylor greene has to say. >> we need a good plan that restores america back to the republic that it was originally founded to be because our freedoms are so precious, steve, that we do not want to lose them and the only way you get freedom back after you've lost it is with the price of blood. >> the price of blood. ted cruz talks about trump derangement syndrome, but what we've just played for you sounds pretty deranged to me. fox news can't run away from trump. fox is trump. and trump is fox. this idea that murdoch is suddenly going to change course, pull the plug, now? i'm calling bullshit on that one, too. and we'll be right back. 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