time. the committee believes bannon is holding back key information. that's partly because of what he said to a national audience on january 5th. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen, okay? it's going to be quite extraor extraor extraordinarily different and all i can say is strap in. you have made this happen and tomorrow, it's game day. so strap in. >> strap in, indeed. bannon's indictment may not lead to him testifying before the k committee, but it leaves other witnesses a choice. share what you know or face the potential of jail. friday just before bannon was indicted, mark meadows was a no show for a deposition. the committee did not appreciate that. evan perez joins me now. the committee is, we've seen this play out a few times where they say we're going to consider these contempt charge, but they did take that route with bannon. so they have foreshadowed what's going to take place potentially with meadows. >> this is a step that as you said, they often threaten and we rarely get to this point. i mean, it's been, we have to go back to the reagan administration for us to find an example of the justice department prosecuting someone for obstruction of congress. that's what we have at play here. this is one reason why frankly, it took three weeks for the justice department, they allowed people complaining about how long it took. these are rare cases. and you heard from the committee immediately after saying this is, this shows you that there's a rule of law to play a role here and that they will not hesitate to use all the tools at their disposal to try to get information. one of the problems is that you can hear the clock ticking, right? they know that perhaps in about 14 months, the republicans will be in charge of the house, at least, and they will probably are going to end this investigation, so they need information and as soon as possible. this now is in the hands of the judge. this case of steve bannon. he's going to turn himself in on monday then we're going to start to get towards a trial. that could take a long time. we don't think he'll ever provide the information unless they can reach some kind of accommodation. from what you saw in the clip, bannon's not looking to make a deal with these guys. >> no, he's looking to make a show. >> good for his podcast. >> i think he wants to go down, in his mind, as some kind of political prisoner in this. >> absolutely. the penalty, you know, is at least you know, a minimum of 30 days in jail, in prison. up to a year and then there's a fine. but this is now litigation that's about whether the former president has the ability to shield his former officials or in this case, a podcaster, under his, under his blanket of executive privilege when the current office holder, the president, is saying no, it doesn't apply. so it's going to be a novel issue that's going to be insided probably by the supreme court. >> all right. we'll be watching. thanks so much. let's bring in cnn's senior political analyst and former adviser to four president, david gergen and with me in washington, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, elliot williams. the big question is whether this indictment will scare people like meadows into cooperating. he refused to testify yesterday. do you think he's regretting that now? part of me thinks this is just another trolling opportunity for everybody in trump world. >> i think there were people with different interests here. in steve bannon's case, he wants to go out as a martyr. who's been more for trump than anybody else except trump. he gets back into the inner circle. maybe spends 30 days in jail. make a mockery of that of course. they'll indicate and he'll say i'm a martyr. you're treating me unfairly and he'll get a lot of people in the republican base supporting him. he's more of a standard lawyer type. he doesn't want to go to jail. i think he's more likely to talk or indicate things than bannon is. i think bannon is still playing for the grand stands. what i don't understand is when bannon goes in on monday, he has to present himself, but then give over documents. that documents that are in question. do you think that's a big deal? because it sounds like it in the ordinary course of thing, but i don't know whether bannon was expect gd to have a lot of documents that might be revealing or not. >> i think that's certainly a huge question in this. elliot, the house committee tweeted about meadows refusing to cooperate. said he's refused to answer the most basic questions including whether he used a private cell phone and where his text messages from that day are. are they, i suppose they're suggesting he may have destroyed some important communications and what do you make of that and just overall, what is happening with steve bannon right now? >> the plot thickens, jim. i saw that tweet and thought two things. number one, either they have information or evidence from documents or another witness to suggest they have another cell phone as a means of getting away from being scrutinized or that they have reason to believe that he deleted and destroyed text messages, which if he did, number one, that's obstruction of justice or congress. both which are serious crimes. far beyond this misdemeanor of simply obstructs congress. it's serious, but they've been talking to a number of other witnesses and i think they know more than what we know. what this means for bannon, these are very, very different cases. bannon has a historically weak case. meadows is just in a better position as a former white house chief of staff. >> david, some mike pence staffers are willing to voluntarily cooperate from what we understand with the committee and if they detail communications they had with the white house during the capitol siege, i suppose that could fill in the gaps while they wait on meadows and these trump documents, but i mean, can't wait forever. this is just taking so much time. we're coming up on a year since january 6th. >> exactly. and they're playing for time. wait out the midterms and see if they can't change everything. but i find this pence story really, really interesting. if the pence people break and go in and say here's what really happened and they throw trump under the bus, just think of what the implications of that will be for 2014 on the republican side. there could be a war within the republican party if meadows puts down the president. >> yeah. well, that is, trump did throw pence to the lions, so i suppose turn about is fair play. and elliot, there's now an arrest warrant for steve bannon. he's expected to turn himself in on monday. the justice department gave bannon the weekend to go get a steak? what's happening here? >> believe it or not, that's not that uncommon. the indictment only came down friday afternoon. he's turning himself in on monday. the reasons why the justice department would immediately seek to lock somebody, knock with agents on his door in the middle of the night which is what you see in the movies, is number one, if he poses a serious risk of flight or if there's a chance of violence or threat to the public. i know many people might regard him as a serious threat to the public, but in terms of criminal de defen dants, he's just not. so i wouldn't read too much into that. it's pretty basic. for this ministerial, it's a basic hearing. he's going to come in, say he's not guilty, hear the charges against him and walk out. >> i spoke with stephanie grisham. she resigned on january 6th. people may not have warm fuzzies for her, but she was there when a lot of this was building up and here's what she said about the subpoena fight. >> the former president is going to tell everybody to continue to stall. they're going to fund raise off of this. bannon himself, absolutely, i think is going to wear this as a badge of honor and martyr himself almost. this is a very small example compared to what's going on, but i recall in the white house when we would get hatch act violations. that was a badge of honor. the president used to say to us, you know who's in charge of the hatch act? it's me. go ahead. say whatever you want to say. >> yeah, david, two things i'm hearing there. first, the lawlessness that went on in the administration, which they sort of thought was fun and part of the act. then also the sense of vi victimhood. we're being persecuted now because we're standing by the former president, the dear leader. >> oh, yes. spare us all the agony. listen, i think if you stand back from all of us, you know, the big question we've been asking yourselves over the last two years is can our democracy survive? with indicting and threatening him with jail and making him putting people into the justice department is really helpful in strengthening our democracy. it sends a clear message that when you get an inindictment coming at you from the u.s. federal government, you better obey it or otherwise you'll pay a price and so will your associates. i think it's healthy. see where it all goes. >> that to me is the important thing because you know, what is the point of a congressional subpoena if it can't be enforced? we were staring at the prospect of i guess the justice department just saying congressional subpoenas don't mean anything anymore. >> former president trump spent most of his four years making clear that he did not believe the congressional subpoenas were serious or valid. >> so why have them? >> i worked for both congress and the justice department. i think people have this sense that congress just named post offices and so on. it's an investigative body that has the power, duty, and frankly, the right to look into wrong doing in the executive branch. so what we need as nation that they're going to be enforced and respected and the justice department is going to crack down on them. can't do it every time because it would not be efficient and you're not going to win every criminal case, but this in the case of bannon, was an important signal. >> the judicial branch to decide whether it merits anything. david, this yweek, new audio emerged of trump defending the rioters chanting hang mike pence. let's listen. >> were you worried about him during that siege? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i heard he was good shape. >> you heard those chants. that was terrible. >> well, the people were very angry. it's common sense that you're supposed to protect. how can you, if you know a vote is fraudulent, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> what do you think, david? is that evidence, do you think? >> it comes very, very close. elliot would be a better judge of that than i would be. what it also suggests to me is that there's really bad blood now in the trump campa and the pence camp. looking to run for president in 2024 and i think this gives pence and his staff incentive to put a knife into some of the trump people and the idea to have this civil war within the republican party over these kiekind of issues. most people in the republican party are rallying to trump's side, but there are going to be some who are going break off. >> isn't that fight necessary for the sake of the republican party? >> that's a very good point. yes, i do think they need to purge and just get the poison out of its system. and get back to the sort of john kasichs of the world and mitt romneys and others. there are a lot of people in the republican party who would like to restore the sort of old fashioned party, if i might call it that. >> and you may do that. all right, david gergen. elliot williams. we remember that republican party. it did exist, for our younger viewers. >> it did. just buried colin powell. he was with the republicans that broke off. >> you're right about that. david, elliot, thank you so much. appreciate it. still to come, more than 90 lawsuits have been filed after the deadly crowd surge in houston. where are we in terms of that investigation? 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for this to never happen again? >> and earlier, we were talking about the fire department's log of information. the descriptions of people rushing fences and people getting crushed, that was happening throughout the day. not just in the evening. we saw that log starting from the morning hours. this was a 12 plus hour situation when medics being called throughout the day. so the police, you can actually hear in an audio clip they released as well. this is from the evening hours talking about how dangerous the conditions became. >> go in there -- extremely dangerous for everybody. >> and congresswoman lee also mentioned that perhaps after the pandemic, people were really looking for a way to be free and perhaps doing so by going to an event with a lot of other people. something they couldn't do for so long, but she said in the 21st century, we should be able to host large events like we always have in a safe way and to really give these families answers as quickly as possible, jim. >> no question about that. natasha, thanks for that report on the search for answers down there in houston and up next, after marathon negotiations at the u.n. climate summit, world leaders have just reached an agreement as the future of the planet is on the line. you're live in the cnn newsroom. up to one million dollars. that's how much university of phoenix is committing to create 400 scholarships this month alone. if you're committed to earning your degree, we're committed to making it accessible. because we believe everybody deserves a chance. and sometimes one chance is all it takes to change everything. see what scholarship opportunities you may qualify for at phoenix.edu bipolar depression. it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, as these may be life threatening... ...or uncontrollable muscle movements, as these may be permanent. these are not all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor about latuda and pay as little as $0 for your first prescription. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ bye mom. my helpers abound, i'll need you today. our sleigh is now ready, let's get on our way. a mountain of toys to fulfill many wishes. must be carried across all roads and all bridges. and when everyone is smiling and having their fun i can turn my sleigh north because my job here is done. it's not magic that makes more holiday deliveries to homes in the us than anyone else, it's the hardworking people of the united states postal service. ebenezer. ebenezer. ha ha ha ha. marley? 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sounds like you're not particularly thrilled, bill, as somebody who covers this closely, with what got hammered out. is it because of what was compromised on or taken out to get to this final agreement that sort of makes it fall short? >> i think every year that goes by, the talking means less. especially for the youngest generation. they will be completely frustrated with this. the greta thundburg movement. they're certainly to be bitterly disappointed because the rhetoric does not match the sense of emergency they feel. so there's that. even the greenest countries in the world, denmark and costa rica, they're not putting an end date on fossil fuel new development until the middle of the century. for those who think of planet earth less as a endless fountain of resources and think of it more as a life raft with a certain amount of rations that has to get us to a sustainable future, how you spend those rations going forward should be the debate and should all the carbon some would argue, spend on it on building the new future instead of, i don't know, spending, sending rich guy to space or minting nft baseball cards or bitcoin. that's human nation. it's what makes this such an incredible challenge. >> makes you wonder if we're just all waiting for some major technological advancement that the entire world can share to get us out of this fix and until then, we're just really screwed, honestly. it seem what is the politicians want to do is they want to leave the summit with something. put it on paper and it feels like that's what's happened here. >> look, they have to answer to their constituents. in the united states, we have a certain obvious political fight going on and even the greatest advances in medical science are fete with fierce resistance from people who would rather punch a flight attendant than wear a mask. you go there hoping for a sense of parody and balance and coming way empty handed. that's only going to create more anger and resentment. a less habitable world becomes less hospitable. there are so many amazing ideas out there. and i think the covid vaccines are proof that if science puts its mind on one thing in a concerted effort and the governments of the world give you enough money, they can do amazing things. there's hope for these things, but right now, way too much momentum is behind the status quo and ultimately, all the science tell us we need a second industrial revolution in like 1 15th of the time. >> bill, why do i feel at this point we're sort of like the unvaccinated patient who lands in the icu who regrets not getting the shot and it's too late. bill weir, thanks so much. appreciate it. tragic news regarding one of the first people to travel to space with jeff bezos' company. linda, who flew to space with william shatner, has died. the 49-year-old business man was one of two killed when their plane crashed on thursday. it's unclear why the plane went down. blue origin tweeted about this saying he brought so much life to the team and his foellow cre mates. he will long be revered and admired. he told cnn it was his lifelong dream to see planet earth from space and that was a remarkable moment. up next, cnn gets exclusive access to a refugee camp on the belarus poland border, where thousands of migrants are stuck amid catastrophic conditions. we'll take you there, next. you've live in the cnn newsroom. 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>> yes. >> yes. but do you think it will happen? you'll try? >> we try. we don't want to stay in poland. >> and the more migrants arrive, the more desperate they're pltheir flight. we witnessed these refugees, frantically scrambling for firewood. essential supplies as temperatures drop. when aid workers arrive with food and water, the scenes are even more. >> i am hungry. >> i hope you get some food. >> you can see these are pretty extraordinary scenes you've got belarusian military forces essentially trying to push back the crowd of migrants that's gathered around this distribution. they're just giving out bottles, plastic bottle s of water, but the people here are so desperate for any kind of nutrition, food, water, shelter, they're being asked all night to kneel down in front of the belarusian forces and when they kneel down, then some of them are being allowed to go through. who's this? >> asid. >> you good? you speak a little english? she and her 4-year-old son also traveled to belarus from iraqi kurdistan, to help her child, she told me. >> we came here because of my son. because he needs an operation. >> an operation? >> yeah, big operation in the back. >> oh, no. >> he can't walk way without -- >> i see he's got this splint on his leg. >> he can't walk normally. >> why didn't you do this in kurdistan? >> not very good. operation failed. we need to go to germany. everyone, the doctors told me that the operation in germany very good. >> but now, germany looks a long way off. with belarus in the west blaming each other, it's these people stuck in the middle who are paying the price. matthew chance, cnn, at the border between poland and belarus. >> thanks to matthew for that report. more than 20 years after her death, princess diana's story still informs and inspires. go inside her lasting legacy on a new episode of diana. here's a preview. >> the news came through directly from paris from our ambassador out there. so michael jay. i think charles was in absolute shock this happened. he felt for his sons, obviously, and there was personal grief as well. this was the woman he had loved, but there was also this feeling of oh, my god, i am going to get blamed for this. >> the marriage was over but he still felt a huge obligation towards her. mainly in the shape of his sons who were sleeping just a few yards away. >> the queen and prince charles got up and talked together, discussed whether they should tell the boys and i think quite rightly, charles decided what was the point of waking up the boys right now. where he don't know the truth of it or wait until the morning. he chose, i believe, to talk to william first, his eldest. which is understandable. and together, they then went and told prince harry, who was just 12. >> be sure to tune in. the final episode airs tomorrow night here at 9:00 on cnn. but it's also a game, of information. because the nfl is connected. and at any moment, the fate of the season can come down to this. billions of secure connections, per second. when the game is on the line and the game is always on the line touchdown! the nfl relies on cisco. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ in business, setbacks change everything. so get comcast business internet and add securityedge. it helps keep your network safe by scanning for threats every 10 minutes. and unlike some cybersecurity options, this helps protect every connected device. yours, your employees' and even your customers'. so you can stay ahead. get started with a great offer and ask how you can add comcast business securityedge. plus for a limited time, ask how to get a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. call today. the rockefeller christmas tree arrived this morning in new york city. a 79-foot norway spruce weighing 12 tons. it will have more than 50,000 colored lights and topped with a star weighing 900 pounds. we'll see it all lit up during an official lighting ceremony on december 1st. this year's tree came from elkton, maryland. it was donated by a couple who had it standing in their yard for 85 years. can you imagine that? 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