he has two. but that's doubtful. one thing he likely will do is surrender. monday he's going to have his day in court and will be arraigned on two contempt counts, one related to his refusal to appear before the january 6th committee because of the deposition, the other over his refusal to produce documents to the same committee. so, as they say, this shizzle just got real. contempt now has teeth for congress. this is a clear message sent by the doj to others planning to follow in bannon's footsteps. if you defy subpoenas from congress, you will be criminally prosecuted. attorney general merrick garland made that crystal today. since my first day in office, i have promised justice department employees that together we would show the american people by word and deed that the department adheres to the rule of law. no trump pal pardons this time. so, the question is, who is and what is next. my guest is trump's former chief of staff. why? because mark meadows was a no show for his deposition today before the january 6th committee. and the panel says his defiance will force it to consider pursuing contempt proceedings. listen closely to this particular line in their statement. mr. meadows has failed to answer even the most basic questions, including whether he was using a private cell phone to communicate on january 6th and where his text messages from that day are. is the committee implying meadows was texting members of congress that day from a non-government phone about government business? where is the phone? if he trashed it, are those texts recoverable? the answer to that is likely, yes. the value of meadows and all the rest of them, the value of them to the probe is obvious. they were the ones around the president. they were the ones doing the planning before, during and after the insurrection. they know who knew what and did what and refused to do what. the question is, does any have a legitimate reason to not cooperate? let's take that question to the better minds tonight in a special edition of "cuomo court." we have former federal prosecutor ellie hoenig and robert ray, defended trump at his first impeachment trial, also a former white water independent counsel. gentlemen, good to see you both. >> nice to see you, chris. >> we'll do it prosecution-defense style. ellie hoenig, what is the question to the answer, do any of these have a colorable claim to not cooperate on the basis of privilege or otherwise? >> they can do it, chris, but they do it at the risk of their own prosecution. steve bannon is the clearest case to prosecute out of all these witnesses. one, the privilege is being invoked by a former president, which is an uphill climb, legally. two, steve bannon was not in the executive branch at the time of these communications. and three, even if the privilege applies, i would argue it doesn't apply to this kind of communication. it's meant to aemploy to discussions about policy, not discussions about wrong doing, which is january 6th in a nutshell. so, i think there's real reason for concern among the other witnesses, and it will be up to doj. and i think those would be righteous and necessary prosecutions if they're held in contempt as well. >> counselor ray, you would not be here if you agreed with that position. how do you see it? >> there's one thing we can agree on, there's not a lot of law in this motion. you're trying to navigate the contours of presidential privilege. i will say that traditionally the justice department since the nixon era has taken a broad view of the sanctity of executive branch communications and has sought to protect even those against former employees, which would obviously encompass someone like steve bannon. whether it applies here, you know, ellie is correct that, you know, this is the outer reaches if it does apply here. but he potentially has a defense. we'll see it play out. he's now been indicted. i imagine that one of his defenses will be an assertion of executive privilege as a bar to a contempt proceeding. and, you know r, that's going t take some time to sort that all out. >> okay. >> with regard to mark meadows, i think we can also all agree that's a little bit of an easier case. mark meadows was the former president's chief of staff. it is the invocation of executive privilege with regard to a former president. and the current president, who generally speaking is regarded as being the one in the best position to decide whether or not to assert or wave the privilege, we're in a situation now where there's a disagreement between a former president and a former president about whether or not executive privilege should cover this. you know, i mean, the congress can take that step as ellie suggests and try to hold mark meadows in contempt, but, i mean, if presidential privilege doesn't protect the sanctity of communications between the president of the united states and his chief of staff, i'm not really sure what use that privilege would be. and certainly, you know, if the whole purpose of a privilege is to encourage free and open communications without risk that those conversations would later be discoverable by congress or anybody else, it would seem to me that that privilege is designed to encompass the chief of staff to the president. >> understood. there's a lot there. let's unpack some of the main things. first of all, ellie, back to you, but robert ray saying that biden is in the best position to, is a good turn of phrase. the privilege runs with office, not the person. so, it's not that he's in the best position. he is, arguably, the only person in a position to exercise the privilege. and there's also another assumption being made here, which is that meadows or bannon or anyone else can refuse to do something on the basis of a privilege, which is not theirs to exercise. so, what do you believe the legalities are here guiding what can and cannot be done. >> so, it's not just bob ray that says the current president is in the best decision. the supreme court said it in 1977 in the other nixon case. he said it sort of in passing plus but i think we all agree on that. one of the problems we're dealing with here is donald trump and his acolytes have blown the doors off of executive privilege. they've taken any limitation -- they've tried to take any limitation out of play. and i'll give you a couple examples. let's look at steve bannon. he was just indicted. how is he going to argue that his conversations are covered by executive privilege that he had with rudy giuliani, bernard kerik, john eastman. none of them were members of the executive branch when they were with the war room in the willard on november 6th. he gets convicted on those communications in my view. yes, it's important when we're talking about mark meadows, the chief of staff is the closest adviser to the president. but that's not the end of the question. the court will ask, we have to ask, what were they talking about and if they were talking about covering up january 6th, that's not covered by executive privilege. >> robert ray, a couple problems. first one is that you don't get to exercise the privilege. the president does. you would argue hereby extension the former president does. so, meadows and bannon can't say i'm exercising the problem. that's one problem. the second problem is that you say there's not a lot of law in this area. there really isn't almost any law. this is a privilege that's gone through executive action traditionally. and why should we assume that the supreme court will take up this matter because they've never taken it up before. doesn't that assume that it's worth taking up? >> well, look, you know, the supreme court has taken up these questions when they have gotten to this point, and the nixon era, i guess, is the only relevant example. and it's not like we're completely bereft of any analogies as to how to handle privilege claims. lawyers deal with this as you well know and ellie knows. i would anal apothe committee i entitled to get after the truth. but, you know, we have privileges that also stand in the public interest to protect certain things. one would be attorney-client communications, not withstanding that they may actually reveal what the truth is. >> but that privilege, robert, runs with the client. >> yeah, it does until they die. that is not an analog to what happens with a president. it runs with the office. not the office holder. >> well, but the executive branch has a claim here. whether joe biden has chosen to assert it, you know, donald trump as the nixon versus administrator court also recognized the former president does have the ability to assert the privilege. now, whether it's enforceable or not, you know, i think is probably a facts and circumstances question. but here the former president has invoked, which is going to be relied upon by both bannon and a prosecution and presumably by mark meadows as well in contention with, you know, how he deals with congress in the future. >> but has trump invoked the privilege to stop bannon and/or meadows or anyone else from testifying, ellie? >> he sent a letter saying, yes, i would like you to not -- i would like you to give me a chance to play this out in the courts and see how it comes out. now, bob's right that privileges are important. we shouldn't just throw all privileges out the window because we want to know everything. however -- and that's exactly why steve bannon is in a tricky spot here. steve bannon would have been much better situated to defend himself if he was selected, if he said, i invoke privilege as to my specific subset of communications, perhaps communications donald trump had with me about legitimate policy issues. >> how does bannon invoke any privilege? he doesn't have one? it would be him as an instrument of trump's communications. >> right. exactly. he's trying to back in on trump's very broad invocation. so, what i said applies to both trump and bannon. if they were selective and said i want to invoke the privilege only as to this narrow set of protected communications, they would be any amuch better situation. instead, april 2019, donald trump walks out onto the white house lawn and declares we're fighting all the subpoenas. and if we thought he was kidding, to had he meant that literally. he has invoked executive privilege so broadly. >> how do you think it winds up, robert? >> the preferred way is as ellie suggests, that you would invoke selectively once appearing to say, well, i can answer this question, but i can't answer this question because i think that it raises information that i think is protected by a privilege that the former president has asserted. that is the preferred course. and the problem in this area is that it would be helpful if a court would actually sort out this stuff first and then you could have testimony. the committee hasn't been willing to wait for that. >> they don't believe it's a righteous claim. that's why, robert. you've never had a former president exercise it. you've only had it exercised through the current president by suggestion. the fact on your side is, well, if you don't protect communications between the president when he's sitting and his staff, if you can always just unpack it afterwards, is that what was intended. and we'll see what the appellate court says on that. >> they may be right or wrong on that. but i think it's a pretty dangerous position to be in term of bringing a prosecution when you've got litigation outstanding that hasn't been resolved that at least raising i think what was going to be deemed a core hissue here. and again, the justice department may think that has no merit, but there's no litigation pending. >> we'll see what happens. i have to tell you on a friday night, this is a real gift to the audience. robert ray, very explainable, ellie hoenig, cogent as always. thanks very much. the kyle rittenhouse trial, getting more complicated. closing arguments are coming. why? 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i know people are saying that to you out there. they're lying. now, the judge was also an issue. he had a bad relationship with this prosecutor. at times in the presence of the jury. now, would that be an issue? depends. how prejudicial was it? on what issues was it? what did it mean? earlier today prosecutors asked that the jury be allowed to consider lesser charges on several of the criminal counts. why? they're hedging. after going through, this is the privilege of the prosecution, by the way. they have the ability to add or amend charges. but watching them this week, gauging rittenhouse's effectiveness, they made this call. it shows that they aren't confident they were going to get it on the original harsher charges. while the judge will issue a decision tomorrow, let's break down what he is likely to decide, whether he has good grounds to deny that, and what we saw this week. top legal mind joey jackson and new friend to the show, ellie mistal, justice correspondent for the nation, who has followed this case from the start. indeference to our new friend of show, joey, let's get ellie a crack at this. in terms of your observations, do you believe that lesser charges are going to be allow snd and do you believe this judge's demeanor will be heard about again on appeal by the prosecution? >> the judge has been extremely bias towards rittenhouse from the beginning not of the trial but of the entire case. i'm talking about his pre-trial motions, his refusal to kind of force rittenhouse to adhere to his bail release terms. and this is carried through straight through the trial to the point where on the last day of trial, rittenhouse's expert witness got a clapping from the jury pool because the judge ordered them to give a cheer for veterans on veterans day, and it just so happened that the expert witness was a veteran. so, the judge's demeanor has been bias throughout. does that lead to an appeal? well, not if there's an acquittal. we have a system where if you are acquitted of a crime, it becomes very hard for the prosecution to retry you. it's called double jeopardy. it's a great rule. we don't want to live in a world where the prosecution gets to try again and again and again to get people until they get it right. but because of double jeopardy, any motion that isn't kind of appealed all the way up to the wisconsin state supreme court, in real time, which none of these have been, means that whatever -- if rittenhouse walks on whatever the jury, sometime next week, that's it, that's ball game in terms of this case, this circumstance, this case. >> very fair analysis. however, joey, the comma is what if it's hung and they want to retry, the prosecution wants to bolster their case? that's where misgiving about this judge's demeanor may come up. more imminently do you believe the judge allows the prosecutor to present lesser degrees of the charges or additional charges? >> a couple things, you could argue the judge is biased. i think you have a good argument in that regard. let's remember before we get into that, chris, that he allowed for provocation to be argued by prosecutors. that's huge. what does that mean in english? it means that the jury will be instructed, jurors are given specific instructions has to how to evaluate the facts. if the jury concludes that rittenhouse provoked the attack, then you lose the privilege of arguing self-defense. so, that is a major boone for prosecutors -- >> can you not argue it perfect or imperfect at that point? can you argue it partially at that point or no, not at all in wisconsin? >> yes because what you're saying is you have to exhaust -- it becomes a higher burden really from a defense perspective because now you have to say that you've exhausted all and every avenue before you actually engage in the act of self-defense. so, this was a big, big win for the prosecution. with respect to lesser included offenses, let's just be clear about what they are. you mentioned it, chris, you hedge your bets, right? because what happens is sometimes you go all or nothing if you're the prosecutor. it's either you convict on the top counts, as they are delineated, he was intending to kill, he recklessly killed, he killed with depravity or nothing. they said maybe it's not that. it could be some degree less than that. maybe it's not a depraved heart but it could be something else. and that gives the jurors more bites at the apple to convict you. so, that in and of itself, if the judge permits and allows lesser included offenses, it may not get a conviction on the top co counts. but it gets a conviction of another count. and that can be detrimental. and that's why we saw, chris, the judge really allocating him and saying do you recognize what less erin collusives are, do you realize you're inclosing your chances of a conviction. if there's any view of evidence which would support that charge. so, you weigh the faekts, and if there's any view of the evidence that supports the charge, then you give the instruction. so, it could be likely that the judge could do just that with respect to other lesser included offenses. >> ellie, last word to you. here's the question. do you believe that rittenhouse, against the prosecution, came out on top in the victim versus vigilante analysis? that's what provocation is about, whether or not he started this and therefore he can't claim defense or this was done to him and he had to run for his life and that's why he had to shoot. which do you think came out more cogently? >> well, i think rittenhouse did because the judge didn't really let the prosecution put on the case. that's the big -- that was the big bias that i saw in this case. the prosecution was trying to make various kinds of provocation arguments throughout and the judge repeatedly cut them off. so, when you say it like, how's the jury going to look at it. it's kind of like saying, how do i look if you only photograph me above my first chin? i look thin, right? i could be a thin guy. it's only when you get the full picture that you understand how smelt i am. >> i'm here for all of it, by the way, ellie. i'm here for every piece. you look good. >> the jury only got what bruce schroeder, what the judge allowed them to do. if you only look at what the judge allowed them to see, i think it's a very tough case for the prosecution. and that goes to the sad thing you mentioned at the start of your program, that you've got -- that's why there are troops in wisconsin. it's because we -- it's not because we are a violent nation or ripping -- it's because we don't trust the system. we don't trust the process. we see the judge, we hear his ring tones, we see his answers, we see the jury which is 15-1 white people versus one person of color. we see all that, and that's why you have troops on the ground in wisconsin right now. >> ellie, joey, as always a pleasure. welcome to the show. don't beat yourself up, ellie. on hair alone, you win the contest. joey and i rkts we're not the best looking guys, but you beat us because you've got a signature look. to the other big case with vigilante and racial undertones. the defense attorney at the ahmaud arbery murder trial is sort of apologizing for his comments about black pastors. i can't believe i even just said black pastors. you're either a pastor or you're not. this was code. so, is an apology enough, or should he be removed from the case as a rep for the arbery's -- as a rep for the defendant? 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(tiger) this is the dimension of imagination. ♪ ♪ got to change the hash tag. #freebritney has to be flipped because britney is free. spears is no longer under the confinement of a conservatorship. it was terminated today by a judge's ruling, returning her power to oversee her own financial affairs to her. estimated $60 million estate. i've got to say, it really sounds low for somebody who's made so much money for so long. we never really saw that pursued. maybe we will now. outside the courthouse, hundreds of fans celebrated, some feeling vindicated by their year's long push to free britney from her father's control. this was the pop star's message to fans shortly after the news. quote, good god, i love my fans so much it's crazy. i think i'm going to cry the rest of the day. best day ever. praise the lord. can i get an amen. amen, britney. #freedbritney. but her battles are not over. her lawyer is pushing for the father to be investigated for his alleged abuse and misconduct. a lot of people run away once they get what they want, and they forget to pursue the full claim. here they're not doing that. and i'm telling you the amount of the estate may come out now. britney spears, she's been making so much money, so much success, so many hits, so much touring for so long, $60 million may be a fortune to anybody else, but to somebody like that. liz day knows this saga in and out as the cocreator of the "new york times" documentaries "framing britney spears." how do you feel about today? >> i'm really, really shocked at how quickly we got to this place. britney spoke out in june. a month later she gets her own lawyer. and a few months after that, we're looking at the end of the conservatorship completely. and it really makes you wonder how earlier this could have happened. >> why do you think it happened as quickly as it did? >> i think because she finally for the first time got to choose her own lawyer, and she selected someone very aggressive and he started to file to depose her father and really do a full investigation, which no one had ever really talked about before. >> people point to, well, you know, judges were keeping this going for a long time. so, obviously there was some reason. or there was never any side -- other side to the case presented. it was the father going before a tribunal who figured, it's his daughter, he must be telling the truth. which one do you think it was? >> i think the latter is probably more likely. and no one had ever filed to terminate the conservatorship either. >> good point. good point. >> now, not over yet. pushing for an investigation of the father. but what do you make of -- because you understand the situation so well. i know $60 million is a lot of money. but if that is the real number, it sounds low for somebody who's been successful for almost, what, 20 years. she's been killing it, at the top of the charts, touring all over. the gig she has in vegas. is that part of any future questions? >> absolutely. that is the central question that's going to be looked at. you know, a lot of experts point out that she should be worth a lot more. she's had a billion dollar perfume business, that successful vegas residency, huge royalties. where is that money? >> now, one of the obstacles in this litigation going forward is her stomach for going after her own father. what do you think happens there? >> when she spoke out in june, she said she wanted her father and everyone else involved in the conservatorship to go to jail. so, i think it sounds as if she wants a full investigation. but, yeah, i mean, it could take a really long time. it could be really expensive. so, we don't know. >> could be emotional also. i want you to listen, please, to matthew rosengart, britney's attorney, very savvy guy, polished prak tipractitioner in this area. >> we will pursue the deposition. we will pursue the discovery we served on him in the form of interrogatories, document requests and other information we're receiving in regard to financial information, alleged financial misconduct and the electronic surveillance issue. >> you touched on that in your documentary, the alleged abuses, including the use of the hidden electronic surveillance. i want to know what you think about how strong that evidence is. but also that first phrase from the lawyer, if britney instructs. do you think that there may be a little bit of tension for her about going after her own father? and what do you think about the proof? sorry, go ahead. >> i mean, i think the proof is quite strong because we vetted our whistleblower's story extremely thoroughly, as "the new york times" would do. we listened to the audio recordings. we authenticated the text message surveillance evidence. we went to great lengths to make sure that his story was accurate and that we could corroborate it independently. in term of britney's stomach to go after her father, again, i don't know, but from what she said in june, it sounds like she does want to see him go to jail. >> so, we see a big tbc here, to be continued. i know you'll be on it and you're always welcome here to give us the latest on this. but there should be a source of pride for you. to me, this has never been an entertainment story. i don't cover entertainment. conservatorships are rare, they're supposed to be selective and this never made sense and yet it endured for so long. liz day, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all right. good luck going forward. so, we just marked veterans day. but we can't just move on because that's what we do. we love the troops. do we walk the walk? 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>> he had an amazing life. he was self-driven. he was hard working. he had a lot of goals and he was very driven to make sure he reached those goals. he started the air force 12 years ago and he was just climbing high, high, high until he got what he wanted but his goals got cut short. >> this comes as a complete shock? did you know he was struggling? this something he could be open about? >> i was having a suspicion and we had a conversation about a week ago before it happened but there was no red flags. the words weren't depressed in it. there was no alarms for me to be concerned or say something. he told me that he was going to see someone and there were improvements. he madhad moved so he was with e people and there were changes and i thought those were good signs but i guess they weren't. >> well, it's an illness, b brother. it's an illness and it's so hard to control but unlike so many, he was dealing with it, though, right? he was getting some help? >> i think he attempted. i don't know the details whether he was getting help or not. >> was he resistant to it? did he feel like somehow it wasn't consistent with being the big strong man that he was, the military man he was? >> i think he was worried. i mean, he had a high security clearance. he was a flight attendant or whatever the air force calls a flight attendant. he was up there with the vips of washington and if they found out he would have struggles, what happened to his career he tried so hard to work for. >> the stigma. he wouldn't have felt like that if he had diabetes or leukemia. he wouldn't worry would people see me differently. what is it about these types of struggles that people feel will make them less than? >> it's -- they just feel like the vulnerability is not allowed and i think there is also not enough support. i think the military is saying they're trying but the training is being up in the higher leadership and not really in the front lines leadership they're supposed to, the people that see the airmens or soldiers every single day and interact with them and so when these people need help, they don't know where they're going to or who to talk to and there is no confidential. if he says something, there is going to be consequences involved. >> edison, i'm so sorry about your friend and i hope that telling people about his story, he had everything going for him. i hope it just reminds people that just because someone looks great, doesn't mean they're doing great. i appreciate you and i wish you the best. condolences to the family. >> thank you. for the santiago family, i'm so sorry and i hope that telling this story gives some purpose to kenny's legacy. if you need support, it's just like having a bad knee. just like having a bad arm. it's just like having something that's wrong with you, cancer, anything. you go to somebody who can help. the national suicide prevention line. 1-800-273-talk. 1-800-273-8255. i'm going to tweet it out and as we all have to know by now, it is not strong to resist what's wrong. we'll be right back with the handoff. woman: i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer ♪ ♪ yeah i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin, yeah that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ woman: keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. most who achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months had lasting clearance through 1 year. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin at 3 years. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ it's my moment so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ woman: talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. why hide your skin if dupixent has your moderate-to-severe eczema or atopic dermatitis under control? 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