staff mark meadows forks one. earlier today, he defied an ultimatum to appear. later today after bannon s indictment, the commit kree threatened him with the same. it would be tempting to say this may now be a different ball game, but cof course it s not a game at all. there was new audio that came to light today of the former president. he is talking to abc s jonathan carl, defending the capitol mob when chanted hang mike pence. here is the former president talking about his vice president who, as a reminder, was rushed by the secret service out of the house chamber when the mob attacked. were you worried about him during that that siege? were you worried about his safety? no, i thought he was well protected and i i had heard that he was in good shape. no. because i had heard he was in very good shape. but but you heard those chants. that was terrible. i mean, you know, the he could have well, the people were very angry. because it s it s common sense,
he has two. but that s doubtful. one thing he likely will do is surrender. monday he s going to have his day in court and will be arraigned on two contempt counts, one related to his refusal to appear before the january 6th committee because of the deposition, the other over his refusal to produce documents to the same committee. so, as they say, this shizzle just got real. contempt now has teeth for congress. this is a clear message sent by the doj to others planning to follow in bannon s footsteps. if you defy subpoenas from congress, you will be criminally prosecuted. attorney general merrick garland made that crystal today. since my first day in office, i have promised justice department employees that together we would show the american people by word and deed that the department adheres to the rule of law. no trump pal pardons this time. so, the question is, who is and what is next. my guest is trump s former chief of staff. why? because mark meadows was a no show for h