i want to get to the election day right now. polls opening in just a few hours in virginia and the closely watched race for governor. the candidates neck-and-neck tonight. the latest from cnn's jeff z zeleny. >> reporter: one final push for votes in virginia. >> do not sleep for 24 hours. let's bring this baby home! democratic terry mcauliffe. on election eve he is locked in a bitter duel with republican businessman glenn youngkin. >> the entire nation is watching this. all eyes are on virginia. >> reporter: a year after president biden won the commonwealth by ten points republicans are riding a wave of energy. they hope to spark a party resurgence as democrats scramble to keep their party together and avoid an embarrassing defeat. >> there is not going to be a democrat in any seat in this nation who thinks their seat is safe. >> reporter: for virginia elects its governors a year after the presidential race. since 1970 the party out of power out of the white house has won every time expect in 2013 when terry mcauliffe won the state after president obama's re-election. >> we can't get this tdone unles we keep this positive momentum going. >> reporter: this time the headwinds facing democrats are strong. with a parade of party stars visiting over the last month. tonight more than 1.1 million virginians have voted casting ballots early. aides to both campaigns tell cnn they expect a record turn dwrout for the governor's race. the race has emerge pd as a proxy war for the popularity of the current president and the former one. >> that's what you got with glen trumpkin. >> donald trump set to call in that rally after praising youngkin saying we get along. hope to woo independent voters, terry mcauliffe has tied to tie youngkin to trump. >> they are trying to run down the democracy of this country and we will not tolerate it. >> reporter: youngkin has walked a careful line on the trump tightrope, trying to energize the former president's loyal followers without alienating independents. he is tapped into the culture wars from vaccine mandates to what kids learn and read in the classroom. it's put the power of the parents' movement at the center of the race. >> this is no longer a campaign. this is a movement led by parents. led by virginians. >> reporter: cnn, fairfax, virginia. >> thank you very much. i want to bring in cnn's senior political analyst mr. ron brownstein and political con em tater scott jennings. and in this corner -- kidding. it's not going to be any of that. good to see both of you. ron, we are less than an hour away from election day and all eyes are on virginia. larry thinks this race is leading towards glenn youngkin. how worried are democrats tonight? >> they are worried. look, i mean, in every election since 1977 except for one in 2013 the virginia governor's race has gone the opposite of the way the presidential race went. >> okay, okay, okay, ron, ron, with that said, why all of the hyperventilating and people getting the vapors about, oh my gosh, terry mcauliffe could lose? i mean, that's what history has showed, right? >> right. well, the main reason, don, is the state has become more democratic, you know, over the last decade than it was through all of that history when it was a purple state or even a republican leaning in the 1990s. i don't think terry mcauliffe losing guarantees that democrats have a bad election in 2022. what it tells them is that if the political environment stays the same, whether he wins by a point or loses by a point, it is going to be a tough, you know, environment for them to run in if joe biden is still at 42, 43% nationally. basically, what this tells democrats either way is that job one has to object rebuilding biden's popularity between now and next november through any means they can because that is the biggest undertow. >> why are you shaking your head, scott? >> i agree with a lot of what ron was saying there. i think first of all that the point you made about virginia becoming a blue state, it's true. joe biden won by ten points. for republicans to be within spitting distance of this thing is miraculous in some ways when you look at the trend of virginia. i know what the history is. if this has gotten very democratic over the years, what republicans are looking for here, whether youngkin wins or loses, i think he is a slight favorite. i agree with larry. what they are looking for is does this party have a path back electorally in the suburbs and what we have seen out of the youngkin campaign is a heavy focus on schools, a heavy focus on crime, and a heavy focus on, you know, kitchen table economic issues to see if they can move those suburban voters, say in northern virginia, back. they went against the republicans in '18 and '20. can they move them back towards the gop? it looks to me like that's where the party's blueprint is for some of the races in the midterm if youngkin has the success we think he is going to have. >> let me ask you then because basically what youngkin is saying -- i mean, this is my analysis, is saying, listen, hey, we want you, trump voters. we don't necessarily want trump in this race. so he is trying to keep them at arm's length. what does that say about, you know, whether trump should be a part of this or not? what is your analysis on that? >> well, i think he's responding to the empirical information from the last election in which trump lost by several million votes, but everywhere else down the ticket, house races, senate races, governors races, state legislatures, republicans did well. there are a whole bunch of people out there, and youngkin knows this, want to vote for run of the mill standard issue conservative republicans but didn't care to vote for trump. >> that's my question. that's the gist of my question there. hold on. hold on, ron. i find this fascinating. that's the gist of my question. where does this, scott, put donald trump in all of this? i mean, should the party be looking beyond him? do you understand what i'm getting at? >> yeah. look, it's a great question because youngkin has run, i think, a smart campaign designed to try to run a coalition effort inside the republican party bringing together all the coalitions you mentioned. this is the prototype for the future where you actually have more cohesion than you had when trump was at the top of the ticket. also, look, he is his own man. he has his own ideas, running his own race and telling the people of virginia i don't need to be a clone of somebody else. i just need to be who i am. it's also are a rejection of what mcauliffe has done. he has tried to make this all about trump and youngkin has tried to make it about virginia issues. >> ron, same question. >> look, i think i turn it around and look from the demand side, i guess. there is no question donald trump is the dominant figure in the republican party. the trump faction is the largest faction in the republican party by three quarters or four fifths of the party is in line with what he is doing. there is a quarter of republican voters uneasy with everything donald trump has done, particularly since the election, and who view many of his actions as a threat to american democracy. if trumpism is going to be curbed in the republican party, those voters have to exact a price on other republican candidates. if in fact to use scott's phrase, if they kind of revert back to voting for a orun of th mill conservative republican who nonetheless is winking at trump's claims of fraud and signaling that they will enable rather than confront trump, there is going to be no incentive to move away from trump. if they can get that trump turnout among the trump base and hold and win back suburbanites. any effort to stop trump in the party is going to be very, very difficult. so in some ways this comes back to those republican voters who are uneasy with trump if they continue to drift back towards candidates like youngkin, they are more likely i new to get trump as their nominee in 2024. >> scott, having said all of this, trump is in the race, he is not really in the race, he hasn't abbeen there, he is doin telerallies, he released a statement today full of lies and telling his base to flood the system and get out and vote. for months he has been saying don't trust the elections, don't trust the system and now he wants people to go vote. you can't have it both ways. i don't know, maybe you can. >> well, he certainly told the people of georgia back in january that their votes wouldn't count and some were listening and he has been on this message. it strikes me that someone's gotten to him. he put out a couple of statements saying, i didn't mean people shouldn't vote. maybe finally people he listens to, whoever that is, have said, hey, you can't tell people not to vote because if the republicans win the midterms and, you know, next year, you are not going to be able to claim any credit for it. i also think what's happening is there is a sense that youngkin has momentum and you see statements coming out from him because he wants some of the credit here for this. but i think youngkin did the right thing and he ran his own race, he didn't feel like he had to lean on trump for anything, and unlike terry mcauliffe who feels like he has to lean on biden, obama, every other democratic luminary. youngkin was his own men. i give him credit for not giving into the idea that you've got to bring in trump or anyone else, frankly. >> ron, i have to go. ten seconds, seriously, to respond. i know you want to respond. >> yeah, look, i think the biggest question for democrats is going to be do they see the signs of the usual problem in midterms, which is their base is depressed, less eager to vote than the other side. also, how big a drag is joe biden in whether terry mcauliffe wins by to point or loses by a point, democrats have a shared interest, a kind of survival trl in rallying around the biden presidency and rebuild his approval rating. if it is at this level in a year, it is certainly going to be a tough night. >> thank you both. i want to turn to political strategist sara long well, the publisher of the bulwark and host of the focus group podcast. hi, sara. good to see you again. >> hey, don, thanks for having me. >> so you recently spoke to a group of undecided independent voters in virginia. what do they tell you about the most important factors in in race? >> there is some good news from terry mcauliffe. these undecided voters were biden 2020 voters. nine out of ten were going to vote for terry mcauliffe. so that's, you know, mostly good. the bad news is they all think youngkin is going to win. and the reason is, i mean, it's just a straight up enthusiasm thing. the way that these -- they were sort of -- they are so demoralized. i mean, you know, your previous guests were talking about the national mood and that is so clear in these democratic focus groups. they are just down on joe biden. they are down on the idea of that nothing is getting done. they don't feel good about anything. and that just hangs over this governor's race. and to contrast that on the republican side, every group i talked to, 2020 trump voters, they cannot wait to vote. there was one guy who told me, i want to vote for any living, breathing republican. they have this pent-up energy from 2020. they feel like they got robbed. so they want to turn out, you know, this is the kind of thing they tell me, we got to turn out in numbers so big, the other side can't cheat. so i think that glenn youngkin, these voters think glenn youngkin had the enthusiasm on their side and they were, yeah, they were going to vote for terry mcauliffe, but they were kind of mad about the whole thing. >> i want to play some of what you heard from some of these folks. here it is. about joe biden. here it is. >> i don't like how biden is just how much debt he wants to incur. i don't like what happened in afghanistan. >> biden hasn't stepped up or hasn't appeared to have stepped up as i would have hoped somebody with 40 years in the senate could bring people together to do. >> so there you go. what kien of impact is biden having on this virginia race? >> yeah. it's just brutal. i have done a number of democratic focus groups in a row now. i have been doing them for weeks. i always ask people to give joe biden a letter grade. and he is getting a couple of b's and mostly c's and d's. one of the things people complain about the most, obviously, they are concerned about inflation, you know, still kind of feeling like covid is not under control. but they just don't feel like they see joe biden. like actually one of the things i hear the most they are saying where is joe biden? we are in the middle of all these crises and i just don't feel like he is very visible and where is kamala harris? they are sort of hungry for leadership that they feel like they are not getting, and i think all this stuff that's going on in washington where people don't have a real sense of -- >> you could have had me in your focus group. you should have had me -- i have been saying the same thing on the show forever. you should have had me in your focus group. i could have told you that's the sentiment out there. where is joe biden? why is he holding events at 2 in the afternoon? where are the democrats? where is the vice president? why are the democrats not behind the president? why aren't they getting his agenda? i hear that every single day from people and, you know, it is -- obviously, it's being reflected in the people you are talking to. i think you can correct plea if me if i'm wrong, i don't think that democrats in washington were aware of it. they were too close to the forest for the trees, right? now with this election and what is happening, i guess, nationally with the polling, what have you, finally they are coming around to realizing, oh, wait, we are screwing this up. >> yeah, i mean, if youngkin wins, and even if mcauliffe wins by a point or two, it is a massive wake-up call for what is heading their way if joe biden's numbers stay where they are and democratic enthusiasm stays as low as it is. it's just -- you just can't -- i mean, that's wave election territory going into 2022. i will say one brighter spot, youngkin is a particularly good candidate for virginia because he is able to thread this needle with the kind of trumpy footsie stuff, but then also kind of like mitt romney to the suburban voters. a lot of candidates the republicans are putting up in 2022, herschel walker, shawn parnell in pennsylvania, those are extremely trumpy candidates, people trump is already endorsing. it's not as easy as it is in virginia to keep trump at arm's length and bring the suburban voters back. >> they are holding trump so closely, they are hiding behind him. i think voters don't like that on the republican side. thank you. i appreciate it. good to see you. >> thank you. new 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"the post" reporting at the very moment the secret service was moving pence out of the capitol, we have the video there, trump was attacking him on twitter. what were the consequences of the former president's inaction here, do you believe, congressman? >> the consequences was this was an actual coup attempt. this is a coup attempt we haven't seen in this country since the civil war. had they been successful and they got pretty close, we were going to deal with a very, you know, very serious constitutional crisis. and this president doesn't care. he is a person that breaks anything he wants in order to get what he wants. and he'll take the gullible and stupid and naive as well as the selfish with him, which is what is happening in politics now. this is a horrible situation that could have gotten a lot worse and the fact that -- the bigger problem now is that it happened, but now there is a republican party that basically is buying into this and they are buying into the lie just so they could have some political relevance and it's disgusting. >> they are winning with that lie. that has to be frustrating for you. >> it's very frustrating. i am not frustrated as a democrat. i am frustrated as an american. i am frustrated as a patriot, someone who actually served in their country, the fact that there is a portion of this political party, of a political party that is willing to basically sell their souls to this person who is soulless in order for them to win elections and at the same time destroy this beautiful democracy we have been fighting for for so long. the democrats are doing better in talking about this, too. the fact that you have merrick garland thinking this is some kind of normal situation and acting as if there is -- wasn't a coup on this country is a problem. the fact that we still aren't pushing voting rights act to stop further erosion of our politics is a problem. so both sides need to be doing better. but right now there is only one functioning party that cares about democracy and that's the democratic party. >> well, right on. let's hope, i mean, that's your party. so talk to them, please. listen, congressman, cnn's k-file uncovering an interview from pro-trump lawyer john eastman days before the insurrection and he wanted pence to throw out the electoral college votes. >> a lot of that depends on the courage and spine of the individuals involved. >> that would be a nice way to say a guy named vice president mike pence? >> yes. >> does that make it clearer than ever this was a premeditated coup attempt? >> absolutely. look, just because someone is wearing, you know, cheap brooke brothers suits doesn't mean they aren't part of the insurrection. john eastman, rudy giuliani, a couple of these other fake -- not fake, real lawyers, really helped bring this argument to, you know, at least to some of the more gullible people to make it more salient and more real. the fact that all of them still even have law licenses tells you about how unspurious people are taking this situation. john eastman has a job with the claremont institute. the fact that they haven't fired that man tells you about that institute. we need to start arresting people. i am telling you right now, if we do not start showing consequences to the coup, then a failed coup is a practice run. what you are going to see is it's going to happen two ways. indep number one, there will be a physical bump, overthrow of the government or it's going to be one that's going to be done by legal means such as, you know, voter disenfranchisement, you know, overturning the votes of, you know, certain counties to make sure that, you know, candidates like donald trump or other candidates like that win. we are not taking this serious enough now. we are nearly at defcon 5 and no one is really, you know, look at this serious. >> talk to your party. >> they don't listen to me anymore. >> we are talking about things that are really serious. i mean that. i said it over and over on this program. the only party operating in reality and our democracy is going to be saved, it's going to be by the democrats, but they are not doing a good job. you guys are not doing a good job. this may be a brooks brothers suit i am wearing. i don't want to throw shade on brooks brothers. >> i get my brooks brothers suits from the outlets. it's who is wearing it, not the actual suit. >> thank you, sir. appreciate you joining us. be well. >> thank you. a new cnn special report comes out this week. trumping democracy, an american coup. it airs friday at 9:00 p.m. that's jake tapper, right, producers? 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>> justice caning is absolutely right. this would be the definitive slippery slope. we hear about this could be a slippery slope, might have a domino effect. if you allow states to be able to an end run around judicial review, you give them cart blanch to do whatever they want as long as they figure out a way not to have a state actor enforce the law. remember, fundamentally what's wrong with this case is normally if you want to try to prevent a law from going into effect, you have to be able to sue the state actor who is charged under the statute to actually enforce the law. in texas they decided, huh, we will avoid that by allowing anyone in the country, not a state actor in texas, to be able to sue anyone who aids in an abortion. thereby allowing them to just avoid judicial review. now, if that's allowed, she is right. it's not just hot-button issues like abortion or gun rights or anything else. it could be everything that could be fair game, and that's not a blueprint that can actually su stain itself. >> the judges who voiced opposition to the texas law are in favor of letting it be challenged. kavanaugh, coney barrett, they are showing that they are open to letting abortion clinics challenge the law in court. for them is this about whether the law is constitutional? >> not yet. and that's the thing about right now. we have heard already thinking about there is a mississippi case a few weeks from now deciding whether a 16-week ban will be constitutional. in texas it's not at the it constitutional stage, which has surprised people. right now it's at the who could sue? who could actually avoid having to be vulnerable to this evasion of judicial review and bring a case in the courts. there were two different parties involved. of course, the department of justice, the federal government wanting to intervene on behalf of being able to enforce federal laws. then you had the clinicians, the abortion clinics and providers who said we'd like to be able to sue and be in court because we are the ones when are not hypothetically going to be challenged. we are the ones with the most to lose in terms of financial penalties and they can be retroactive, don. they can also not have a ceiling. you might lose one case of $10,000, but that is nothing to prevent more and more people from suing you. and it could be, as justice kavanaugh spoke about this, up to $1 million and the idea that these clinicians would always be vulnerable for any person across the country. seemed to be the most persuasive to this court right now. but we have time. we don't know what the court is going to rule. but the idea of who would be the most burdened, so to speak, in terms of the penalties are the people who would, in fact, clinically aid in an abortion. >> you said we have time. when is it going to be decided in when will we know if this law is going to be upheld or struck down? 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>> i was excited. i got the holy ghost because i was just feeling good all over, and i was just -- i could feel the drums that one of our native american friends have serenaded the day before, and i could feel those drums. >> jimmy, you've known julius for 30 years. it's now up to the governor to decide whether to follow the board's recommendation. do you feel optimistic that he will? >> i do. you know, this whole journey proved to me and the jones family that, a, when you have the power of your voice and when you use it, you know, amazing things can happen. and this is a living testimony of going through stage one, commutation, stage two commutation, and today it is an amazing feeling to be where we are today. so we have full faith and credit that the governor is going to do the right thing and sign off on it. >> i love that, full faith and credit. madeline, the oklahoma pardon and parole board recommended commuting your son's death sentence to life with the possibility of parole. he has been on death row for more than 20 years now. do you think there will be a day when he is a free man? >> yes. i can see it and feel it and visualize it, yes. >> why so? >> i feel it in my spirit. >> you just feel it in your spirit? >> today i keep saying it. today was my mother's birthday. she would have been 95 if she was living, and she put her finger together before she passed away, and she said something real little was going to bring her grandson home. and i thought about today. he was given the opportunity to tell his own story. he did an awesome job. >> you know, madeline, paul howell's family said they hoped the parole board would vote based on facts instead of hollywood fiction. his daughter said the evidence shows julius is guilty. is there anything you want to say to that family? to howell's family? >> well, first of all, the facts were given, and if they would do a little research and since they said they didn't look at the last defense, no one ever came to us. i come from a family that we should be able to -- if i have a problem with my neighbor, we can sit down and talk. and several times we have tried to invite them to talk to us. so, you know, how can i say? when you know better, you do better. and exposure. do your research. i did mine. >> yeah. what do you guys want to say to -- quickly, jimmy, and also from madeline. what do you want to say to the oklahoma governor tonight? >> yeah. we would hope that governor stitt would look at what the pardon and parole board approved today and grant our wish that he -- what they recommended which is converting his death role with the possibility of life with parole. time is of the essence with the pending november 18th date, so we are urging our governor to take action and take action quickly. >> madeline? >> well, i would like to say we are urging our governor, honorable kevin stitt, to do the right thing. he's a father. he's a -- well, we know leader. he's a god-fearing man, and just doing the right thing, and we would urge him to look at the urgency of it. >> thank you both. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. come back and talk to us. you guys be well. >> yes. we appreciate it, don. thank you for using your platform. we greatly appreciate it. >> thank you very much. thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. 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