administration out of the hands of the house select committee investigating him. just a day before the committee meets, perhaps to take action against one of his former cronies, steve bannon, for defying a subpoena. the man who's expressed contempt for the entire concept of being held accountable by anyone for anything he did, something -- well, he did something else to come -- come to know from him. he went to court to try to get his way. cnn senior legal affairs correspondent, paula reid, joins us now with the latest. so, what -- talk about this lawsuit. what is going on? >> so, here, anderson, trump is asking the court for, at most, granting his request to block lawmakers from actually obtaining these materials. and at the very least, he is asking them to delay lawmakers from obtaining these materials, arguing that these requests are so broad, his lawyers need more time to review them. now, to support these requests, he argues that there is no legislative purpose to these requests. he is saying, look, this has nothing to do with passing a law. his lawyer repeatedly cites a supreme court case related to a request for his personal financial records when he was the sitting president. but that case does not deal with a former president and we know that, historically, the supreme court has really granted broad deference to congress when it is conducting investigations. now, trump's lawyers also argue that he is entitled to executive privilege but he believes that he is not sufficiently protected under the current law. >> is there consensus in the legal community about his -- the merits of -- of what he is arguing? >> look, anderson, it appears to be a long shot. based on the experts i have spoken with, they have said, yeah, the court might decide to revisit this issue of executive privilege. the former president certainly has a right to try too assert executive privilege but it is not equal to that of a sitting president. but i'm told it's unlikely that the court is going to take up these arguments that these requests are too broad. or that lawmakers here investigating january 6th lack a true legislative purpose. one asked me what could be more important than investigating an insurrection? >> the -- the select committee's scheduled to meet tomorrow to vote on whether steve bannon should be referred to the justice department for criminal contempt. what do you know about that? >> really interesting, anderson. cnn has obtained a letter from the white house counsel that reveals that the biden white house counsel has determined that steve bannon has no claim to executive privilege. now, in reporting on this and speaking to experts, i was told there was a chance that perhaps there would be a carve-out for some conversations that bannon may have had with trump. but here the white house counsel says no, president biden has determined that based on what the committee is investigating in the interest of the united states, he has no claim to privilege here and that he must comply with the subpoena. now, bannon has previously told the committee he is not going to comply unless ordered by a court. now, the committee has rejected that argument. and tomorrow night, they are scheduled to move ahead with a vote to refer him for criminal contempt. >> all right. paula reid, appreciate it. more now from the white house, cnn's kaitlan collins is there for us tonight. so what is the reaction from the white house tonight about this lawsuit? >> they are standing by their decision to say they are not going to wave -- or they are not going to assert privilege over these documents because they say president biden, himself, has made the decision here and he doesn't think that this is a situation that justifies using it. and so, they are not commenting on the lawsuits, specifically, anderson but they are saying that they believe the former president abused the office of the presidency. and therefore, given this was -- in their -- what they say was a clear attempt to subvert the election. it doesn't justify waiving that executive privilege that, typically, a current president would do for a former president when it's documents shortly after they left office. and so, these are documents we know that the white house counsel has seen. not many people in the white house has actually seen these documents that the former president is trying too keep out of the hands of the committee. and, anderson, we should remind people, we don't actually know what is in them yet. we know it's related to what was happening inside the white house on january 6th. we know the former president has reviewed them and we know, of course, that the national archives has told them if there is no court order, they are set to be released to congress on november 12. which of course, is a date that is fast approaching but the white house is standing by their decision here, so, yes, this is going to be a fight between the former white house and this current white house and of course the national archives and the january 6th committee over these documents. >> do you expect president biden to comment on the lawsuit? >> it's hard to say because what we have seen so far is this pattern of where the white house says, you know, we are not going to comment on that. that is a decision that's being made by the white house counsel's office and the justice department and whatnot over these documents. of course, and what is going to happen to steve bannon tomorrow with the criminal contempt charge that is likely coming his way. and the white house, though, has said that. but then, president biden has often been really candid about this. he was on friday night when i asked if he thought the justice department should prosecute those who defy these subpoenas. in the past, he has spoken pretty openly about it. but we haven't heard him, per se, exactly on his decision not to waive the privilege, though the white house has made pretty clear what's behind that -- that thinking. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. let's get perspective now on the political, historical, legal aspects after you will of this. joining us no for all of that, cnn investigative reporter, carl bernstein, also cnn legal analyst, cary cordero. the lawsuit by the former president, frankly the lies that the former president continues to spread about the election and -- and the insurrection, what do you make at this lawsuit? >> that it's part of a massive coverup to keep us from knowing what a criminal -- criminal president of the united states tried to do to subvert the american electoral system. we have not had such an act by an incumbent president of the united states in our history. we have never had a political party, such as today's republican party, that has supported this kind of president in this coverup. and this is really a conspiracy between donald trump and his presidency and today's republican party to keep us from knowing what the insurrection of january 6th was all about. how the republicans and donald trump tried to subvert the election, and continue to try to subvert the electoral process. you have to go back to 1860 to '65 to the civil war, in which a political party -- a major political party -- has engaged in such an attempt to undermine the most basic element of our democracy. and that's where we are today with trump and his republican allies. >> cary, i mean, you have read through the lawsuit. does the former president have much of a case? >> i think it's a very weak case. i think that -- um -- he does not have the ability to prevent a separate branch of government from doing its job. and so, while carl gives the historical reference, what this case really going to be about is about the future. it's going to be about whether in the future con dgress has a role. congress can do its job, whether it can conduct investigations. and the january 6th investigation is a real investigation. it's credible. it's based on an attack on the capitol to prevent the constitutional transfer of power. and so, the former president's assertion that he doesn't have to have records provided to the committee i don't think is going to be per sidsuasive. and i certainly don't think individuals who give him advice in the past, particularly those who were not government officials, are going to have any credibility in terms of not complying. >> cary, just in terms of the timing of all this, i mean, how long does this potentially hold things up for? >> well so, that's probably the strategy here, anderson, is to delay this as long as possible and that's really going to be up to the courts. um, it's very difficult to predict whether a court is going to summarily just dismiss these claims, find them meritless, you know. for example, the president argues that there is no legislative purpose to the congress's investigation. but actually, there is. there are bills that are being considered now, including one that's called the protecting our democracy about that even includes provisions about strengthening congress's ability to enforce its subpoenas. so there are things that congress is considering legislatively to reign in a future executive that abuses that office. and so, it -- it really will be on the courts to dismiss this case based on lack of merit. >> carl, i mean, do you -- do you see this stall tactic by the former president as being successful? midterms are, you know, just more than a year away. >> it certainly could be successful if the republicans win the house of representatives, and decide to shut down this investigation. but again, if you look at the abuse of power that goes back to the watergate example and nixon and the senate watergate committee investigation. there was no privilege that extended to the president's attempts to act illegally. there is no such privilege to cover up illegal acts. and so, we need to find out the substance of what, indeed, this president was saying and doing. and that's what the congress of the united states legitimately exercising its function is trying to do here. and what we have is one of the two political parties trying to shut down an investigation into the most grievous, offensive, undermining of our democracy in that insurrection. encouraged and ignited by the president of the united states and his party now trying to make sure that we never know what happened in this unprecedented act. you have to go back 100 years to the civil war to find an american political party that has thrown in its lot with this kind of abusive power. >> cary, i mean, steve bannon -- i mean, his continued excuse of executive privilege. he hasn't been a government employee at the white house since 2017. could -- can it apply to someone like him? >> in my view, anderson, he has no credible basis to make this argument of executive privilege. he was not a government employee. he was not an adviser in the white house on january 6th. the committee's investigation is about the circumstances surrounding january 6th, 2021. steve bannon was not in the white house then. he was not in the government or a presidential adviser. um, and even if he was, it would be the current president -- president biden -- who is the one who actually has the authority to assert executive privilege. >> carl, is there a danger here? i mean, you know, for president biden not to have backed up his former -- the -- the former president in -- in the executive privilege argument? i mean, don't most presidents back up the former president normally? >> it has to do with whether this is a legitimate exercise of executive privilege, and this is clearly not a legitimate exercise of executive privilege. this is about trying to suppress the truth, about a president engaging in illegal acts, anti-constitutional acts. trying to learn what, indeed, he was doing as he tried to thwart the american electoral process. this is not about trying to find out anything about the legitimate functions of the president of the united states and the exercise of his power. this is about a rogue criminal president undermining the constitution, undermining american democracy. and again, you go back to the nixon example but this is even more grievous, particularly because this president tried forever to keep himself in office after the election. after he had been turned out of office, he tried to subvert the electoral process and the counting of votes. tried to keep the electoral college from casting its vote, and electing the next president of the united states. knowing, full well, that he had been defeated in a fair, honest, and open election. and he continues to perpetuate the lie and the lies that have allowed this process to go forward in such a way as we now have grave doubts about what the republican party is going to do in the next election. >> cary, just can the national archives just go ahead and give over the documents that -- that they have even in the face of this lawsuit and let the courts decide? or -- or does everything shut down until a judge decides? >> i think at this point that the archives may wait to see how this is considered. i think they will have to consult probably with the office of legal counsel, the justice department, and with the white house counsel to determine whether or not there is a path forward for them to just simply go ahead. um, it also would depend on -- on how the white house continues to weigh in on it. so i think there will at least be some pause. and then, it will be up to the executive branch and the president and the archives to determine, you know, are they going to wait forever? they could ask for the court to expedite this which would be an appropriate thing to do, i think. >> cary cordero, carl bernstein, thanks so much. appreciate it. next, the passing of colin powell, as well as the remarkably deep and significant impact he had on the country and some of its most revered institutions. bob woodward, who spoke at length with him in what is believed to be his final interview, joins us tonight. so does another trailblazing secretary of state, madeleine albright, the first woman to have the honor of being this country's chief diplomat. later, gabby petito's parents speaking out in a new interview talking about why j justice is only one of the things they say they want for their daughter's fugitive fiance. they also want, they say, vengeance. ...and other key essential nutrients... ...it's a tasty way to conquer your day. try centrum multi gummies. now with a new look. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ (birds chirping) ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ (phone beep) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (music quieter) ♪ (phone clicks) ♪ ♪ derriere discomfort. we try to soothe it with this. cool it with this. and relieve it with this. but new preparation h soothing relief spray is the 21st century way to do all three. even touch free. preparation h. get comfortable with it. we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way at carvana. feel stuck with student loan debt? 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[sigh of relief.] slack. where the future works. flags are flying at half staff across washington tonight and at state offices across new york, including in new york city where colin powell was born 84 years ago. he died today at walter reed medical center just outside washington. the cause, complications of covid-19. he had been twice vaccinated and was about to get a booster, but his age and other illnesses, especially the rare blood cancer multiple myeloma likely left his immune system unable to fight the virus. in what's believed to be the last interview he did, he spoke about it with legendary reporter and author bob woodward as parts of the research for woodward and robert costa's new book "peril." >> well, you see, i have got to go to the hospital about two or three time as week. i have got multiple myeloma cancer and i have got parkinson's disease, but otherwise, i'm fine. >> oh, no, i'm so sorry. >> don't say no. don't -- don't feel sorry for god's sakes, i'm 85 years old. got to have something. and i don't feel -- i haven't lost a day of life. fighting these two diseases. i'm in good shape. >> oh, well that's great. you've never lost a day of life. i mean, think of the activist generals, former secretary of state, now oracle, right? >> yeah. >> secretary powell also talked about what led him to the last of his firsts after becoming the first black national security adviser and first black chairman of the joint chiefs. he spoke, as well, about his reluctance to advocate military action unless success was likely and the end game was planned in what will become known as the powell doctrine. >> decide to become secretary of state. let me think about that. well, it was an opportunity to serve again. >> yeah. >> after i left the army and i thought i could be a good secretary of state. >> the reluctant warrior is not a bad mantle. >> i -- i have to expressions that have been nailed to me. both came from the press. >> yeah. >> one -- one -- and they both were -- i think came in news magazines. the first one is this -- the one you just mentioned. the reluctant warrior. whenever that is asked of me, i said true. >> yep. >> i am a reluctant warrior. >> yep. >> i don't like wars. i don't want to be a warrior. but remember the other thing that is well known about me and, that is, we go to a war and i will do everything i can to beat the crap out of somebody and win it. >> yeah. >> and bob woodward joins us now. in that portion of your interview, bob, that we played, secretary powell, he had a very optimistic view of his medical diagnosis. his attitude is, look, i was 85 years old. i got to have something. >> yes. but there -- there's a tone of farewell in this discussion three months ago. i knew him for 32 years, interviewed him about 50 times. and what was quite remarkable about powell, as you well know, senior officials -- you may be able to interview them and talk to them and get some information. but generally, at some point, the wall goes up. interestingly enough with powell, the -- the while -- the wall did not go up. he was always willing to engage. he felt part of his responsibility as chairman of the joint chiefs or as secretary of state was to answer questions that the public and the press had. so, you -- you see this -- sometimes, he would call me his friend. and i always made the point to him, i'm -- i'm a reporter. and he said, well, we still can be friends. and he -- um -- what was remarkable, friendor instance, e eve of saddam hussein's invasion of kuwait in august 1991, powell had my wife elsa walsh and i to quarter six where the chairman of the joint chiefs resides. and it was a dinner. and here, just on the -- saddam hussein had taken lots of people by surprise and invaded and taken over kuwait. and he talked about that. and i'll never forget, we asked him, so what -- what did it feel like? and he said it felt like a wet washcloth in the face. so, there was a level of candor. you never get the whole story, but there was something remarkable about him. and you'd think, all he did, where he came from, and he -- let's really look it in the eye. he was a great human being and a great leader. >> yeah. >> and i always -- i always found him -- i could call him up. i -- i don't want to belabor this but i remember he was on the verge of writing his memoirs, and i called him up and i said i want to come see you. i have a christmas present for you. and he said christmas present? what? and so, i went over to his office in virginia and i had a stack of all the interviews i had done with him from my book "the commanders, the first gulf war." and i said this is the christmas present. these are copies of everything you said. and he looked at me and he said, i know what you're doing. i know you want me to know what i said. and i said, exactly. >> hmm. i want to play more of the interview that you had with -- with secretary powell. at one point during the phone call, his wife called -- called to him. i just want to play this. >> hang on a minute. i'm on the phone, alma. okay. she don't like me talking to you. but there we are. >> no, that goes way back. who was the greatest man, woman, or person you have ever known? not necessarily a leader, not necessary -- but the in -- inner person. the -- you know, the moral compass. the sense of propriety. the sense of the truth matters. who -- who is that in all of your life? who? >> it's alma powell. >> okay. good for you. good for you. >> um, she -- she was with me the whole time. we've been married 58 years. >> wow. congratulations. >> thank you. and she put up with a lot. she took care of the kids when i was, you know, running around. and she was always there for me. and she taugold me that's not a good idea, she is usually right. >> hmm, i thought about her today. i don't -- i don't know her but i've read about her. and -- and their relationship over the years. i mean, 58 years to be together. what a loss for her. um, it was interesting that she -- i liked that he was sort of whispering to you that she got -- she didn't like him talking to you. very protective of him. >> yes, that's quite correct. um, at the same time, when i asked that question about who, you know, you might expect him to say the first president he worked for as chairman of the joint chiefs. george herbert walker bush, the president. or somebody else. some world leader or martin luther king or -- and what was so fascinating is he jumped right at it. alma powell. his wife. this is the relationship that meant the most to me. and it is -- it is a tribute to that 58 years. i was quite struck by the sincerity of it. >> yeah. bob, just stay with us. i want to bring in former secretary of state madeleine albright, who preceded colin powell, and is a pioneer in her own right, the first woman to hold the job. secretary albright, thank you for being with us. i am sorry for the loss of your friend. can you just describe the colin powell that -- that you knew personally and professionally? >> well, i think as one of the warmest, kindest, smartest, and patriotic people that i met. and i, first, met him in 199 -- 1988 when he was national security adviser and i was working for michael dukakis and he was entitled to a security briefing. so i arranged that. and then, um, i have to describe the first meeting when we were in office, i was ambassador to the u.n. and colin powell -- we were all new -- and colin powell was chairman of the joint chiefs and he walks in. the hero of the western world. and i said i am a mere mortal female civilian. but he really commanded a presence with all the things that he had done and his warmth and his brilliance, frankly. and there's so many wonderful stories about the things that he did and our relationship. we were very, very good friends. >> secretary albright, as i said, you were the first woman to be secretary of state. secretary powell was the first black american to be secretary of state. what did that mean in terms of how american was seen abroad? >> well, i think it made a very large difference because people had been used to having one white male after another as secretary of state. um, and i think the combination of both of us being new and both of us, frankly, having an immigrant background in some kind -- some kind. his family came from jamaica. i actually came my -- with my family when i was 8 years old and i'm not even a first generation. but we had in common the fact that america had welcomed us and our families. um, and by being able to have the job of representing this cou country, i think we were able to send that message even without saying anything, although we both said quite a lot. but i really do think that this was a remarkable time. >> bob, i want to play another portion of your interview where you asked secretary powell about the insurrection on january 6th. let's listen. >> what did you think of that riot and assault on the capitol? >> it was awful. he was going in there to overturn the government. >> what -- bob, what else did he tell you about that? and did he speak of the former president's, you know, role in it at all? >> well, he -- he -- he said it was a revolt, not just against the election but it was against the government. and i -- i -- i think he had a great deal of disdain. i know he had much dpisdain for trump and said so. and if you recall, in the 2020 election, he made it clear he was supporting biden and not trump. though, powell was the nominal republican but not 100% republican to say the least. >> secretary albright, in recent years, secretary powell supported president -- democratic presidential candidates obama, clinton, and biden. what was your impression of why he made those choices? was it difficult for him? >> well, i think that he wanted the right thing for america. i think he was a genuine patriot, and the country meant more than party to him. he knew that he had been able to move ahead in the various jobs because of what he had done and the people he knew and they were republicans. but on the whole, he really believed that what was most important were our values, and that our country be run by people who believed in those things. and he didn't see himself as a party person. he really did see himself as a loyal american who wanted to solve problems. a grateful person, and he wanted to have people that saw america from the perspective of people -- um -- that understood what kind of a country we really are. um, what needs to happen and -- and he was -- and i really do think he was one of the most honest-minded people i knew. he told it like it is. it wasn't always pleasant but he really did do that, and -- and i admire him for his fortitude and his beliefs. >> secretary, bob woodward, appreciate your time tonight. thank you, both. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up next. dr. leana wen joins us with facts in the face of concerns, legitimate and otherwise, raised by general powell's contracting a fatal case of covid being vaccinated. useful answers, not misinformation, when we come back. the new sensodyne repair and protect with deep repair has the science to show that the toothpaste goes deep inside the exposed dentin to help repair sensitive teeth. my patients are able to have that quality of life back. i recommend sensodyne repair and protect with deep repair. wealth is breaking ground on your biggest project yet. worth is giving the people who build it a solid foundation. wealth is shutting down the office for mike's retirement party. worth is giving the employee who spent half his life with you, the party of a lifetime. wealth is watching your business grow. worth is watching your employees grow with it. principal. for all it's worth. if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪ no, he's not in his room. ♪ ♪ dad, why didn't you answer your phone? ♪ your mother loved this park. ♪ she did. ♪ we touched briefly before the break on colin powell's struggle with multiple myeloma and the effect it can have on the immune system. he also had parkinson's, and he spoke about both with bob woodward. just to remind you, here is that portion of the conversation, again. >> well, you see, i have got to go hto the hospital about two o three times a week. i have got multiple myeloma dan da cancer and i have got parkinson's disease, but otherwise, i'm fine. >> oh, no, i'm so sorry. >> don't say no and don't feel sorry for me. for god sakes, i'm 85 years old. got to have something and i don't feel -- i haven't lost a day of life fighting these two diseases, i'm in good shape. >> oh, well that's great. well, you have -- you've never lost a day of life. i mean, think of the activists, generals, former secretary of state, now oracle, right? >> yeah. >> well today, despite the obvious facts that this was an 85-year-old man with a badly compromised immune system, anti-vaccine forces seized on this as some sort of i told you so moment. even those who don't find themselves in that camp might still have some legitimate questions tonight. that is yeah we want to speak with someone who can give this perspective and factual underpinning it deserves, cnn medical analyst and former baltimore health commissioner, dr. leana wen. author of "lifelines, a doctor's fight for public health." >> of course, anderson, we have to keep in mind that risk is additive. and general powell had at least two major risk factors for severe outcomes to covid-19. the first is age. an analysis of cdc data from august found that even if you are fully vaccinated, in their 80s have -- and then, you have multiple myeloma which is a blood cancer that, by itself, substantially increases the risk of infection. and treatments to multiple myeloma, too, include chemotherapy, steroids, things that further suppress the immune system. and so, this is an -- an individual who unfortunately was at very high risk for contracting covid-19 by virtue of having a suppressed immune system that may not respond as well to vaccines. and then, also being medical fragile and being more vulnerable to severe outcomes, sadly. >> and general powell was as we mentioned fully vaccinated, about to get a booster we're told. um, can you just give us some perspective on how the vaccine would have reacted in his body given everything he was already dealing with? >> well, individuals who -- who have a moderate or severe immunocompromised are being recommended to get a booster dose because they approximate may not have responded adequately to the vaccines in the first place. there was a study done in july that found that less than half of them, about 45% of them even mounted an adequate response to two doses of the pfizer or moderna vaccine. and so, the takeaway here is that we, as a society, have to do everything we can to protect these medically vulnerable individuals. this is the reason why we call it herd immunity. we, as the herd, as the population, we have to have immune protection through vaccination so that we are able to reduce the level of community transmission and protect those who are medically fragile. >> to those who are now questioning the efficacy or using this to question the efficacy of vaccines, what do you say? >> i would say think about the vaccine as a very good raincoat. it protects you when there is a drizzle outside. but then, when there is a thunderstorm if you are in and out of hurricanes all the time, at some point you could get wet. but that's not because there's something wrong with the raincoat. it's because there's just way too much rain all around you. and so, in this case, we really have to consider what we need to do as a society which is to suppress the level of overall infection and protect individuals. and i would also ask people to look at, unfortunately, again -- um -- general powell's medical conditions. that he is someone -- he was someone who is so medically fragile as a result of age and medical conditions. and that's the reason why he tragically succumb to covid-19. >> and just last, i want to ask you about "the new york times" report that the fda is planning to allow americans to receive a different covid-19 vaccine as a booster than the one they initially received. i know you and i have talked about this in the past. is this a good idea? >> i think it's a great idea. um, for convenience reasons. some people may not be able to easily access a booster that's the same as what they got before. and because the patient preference and actually i, as someone who is the recipient of the one-dose johnson & johnson vaccine, i plan on getting an mrna booster as soon as i can. >> all right. dr. wen, thank you very. appreciate it. up next, we have new details about the gang allegedly behind the kidnapping of 17 american and canadian missionaries in haiti. matt rivers has the latest from port-au-prince. i wonder how the firm's doing without its fearless leader. you sure you want to leave that all behind? yeah. stay restless with the rx. crafted by lexus. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. a source in haiti's security forces tells cnn that one of the country's most powerful gangs is believed to be behind the kidnapping of 17 missionaries over the weekend. 16 of the 17 kidnapping victims are americans, one is canadian. authorities believe the 400 mawozo gang abducted the group after the missionaries visited an orphanage on saturday in a suburb northeast of port-au-prince. cnn's matt rivers is there with the latest. >> reporter: a desperate call for help as seen in a whatsapp message obtained by cnn. the message reads please pray for us, we are being harassed, kidnapped currently. they have control of our vehicle with about 15 americans right now. ladies, men, and children. he then says they are near the place a source in haiti's security forces confirms is where the group was abducted. 12 adults, along with five children according to christian aid ministries. and we are learning more about the gang who may be behind the crime. our source saying it's the 400 mawozo gang. one of, if not the most, powerful in the country, its dozens of members with a distinct hallmark, kidnapping. nearly a year ago, the gang's alleged leader said me, i work, i'm a gangster, i carry weapons. i'm in a gang, i have guns. i don't carry weapons to terrorize. carrying weapons doesn't make me a gangster or a bandit. several miles down that road there is where our source says this kidnapping was carried out in a more normal situation, we would drive several miles down that road and go see exactly where this took place. but following the advice of both our haitian producer and our security team, we are not going to go any further than this because they say it's not safe. down that road is the suburb which is essentially completely controlled by the 400 mawozo gang. the gang that authorities say carried out this kidnapping. that gang and others have terrorized haiti for years with kidnappings exploding since january according to a human rights nonprofit based in port-au-prince. foreigners get the attention but it's ordinary haitians that are the vast majority of kidnapping victims data from the organization shows. this man says kidnappings here have been happening for so long, why did no one talk about it then? why is the world making such a big deal about foreigners? it's because they're more important. on monday, haitians across the capital region took advantage of the renewed attention by staying home. schools and businesses and transport services shut down. normally, packed port-au-prince streets empty. it was a quiet form of protest. people demanding safety and security from a government in turmoil. nobody is safe, says this man. even normal people going out to buy food get kidnapped. it's even worse for someone in a car. there is so much fear in the country, even people living outside the country are afraid to come back. and so, anderson, the amount of kidnappings here in haiti has just skyrocketed. really, going all the way back to the beginning of 2021. but then, the president was assassinated in july. there was a few-week lull. and then ever since then, according to nonprofit data from a group here in port-au-prince that tracks this, kidnappings have risen more than 300%. and this area where this group of missionaries was, it is notorious as being one of the worst places for people to be and frankly it raises questions at the organizational level. why was this aid -- this missionary group which has worked in haiti for some time now allowing its people to be in an area that anyone who has spent any time recently in haiti will tell you it's just an area where things don't go well often. >> matt rivers, appreciate it. thank you gabby petito's parents are speaking out now in a new interview. hear their message for her missing fiance's parents and why they say they want revenge, next. play good. gillette proglide, five blades and a pivoting flexball to get virtually every hair on the first stroke. look good, game good. gillette. as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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