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the legislation that essentially bans all abortions in that state, the second most populous in the country. they say the law can be enforced while they consider an appeal of a lower court judge's order blocking it. plus, could former president donald trump be subpoenaed by january 6th investigators? the select committee in the house says they have not ruled that out. this as his former associate steve bannon faces criminal contempt charges now for defying his own subpoena. we'll have much more on all of that in just a moment. let's begin, though, with cnn senior national correspondent sara sidner, in irvine, california, following all the news of former president bill clinton. what do we know about clinton's condition this morning? >> reporter: good morning, jim. we know that he is on the mend, according to his aides, that he has been walking around, that he has been joking with staff and that he is in good spirits. we also know that here at uc irvine medical center, he came in on tuesday night, he was actually hanging out with some friends, he felt fatigued, and he ended up having to come to the hospital. he was treated for a urinary tract infection, which actually spread into his blood stream. so he had a pretty dangerous infection. sepsis can be life threatening, taken very seriously, he was taken to the icu. as we understand it from doctors, the reason he was in the icu is more because of privacy and security concerns and it was because he needed to be in an intensive care unit. he was given intravenous fluids as well as antibiotics to treat the infection. and is doing well. this morning we're understanding he is still being kept here for observation. but that he is in quite good spirits and that he is in recovery. we do also know that hillary clinton was here visiting her husband and here in orange county and they were here actually for a fund-raiser for the clinton foundation that was supposed to happen on thursday. though as we understand it bill did not make it. he was here in the hospital recovering. jim? >> sara sidner, thank you for that update. joining me to discuss the medicine behind this, dr. peter hotez, director for the center for vaccine development, dean of tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine. good to have you. sepsis can be very serious, it can be life threatening. a blood infection in esecffect. how serious for someone this age? >> it is a medical emergency, especially in an individual over the age of 65, the president is around 75 years of age. and left untreated it has a very high mortality rate. it sounds like they picked it up very early. it sounds like they identified potentially a pathogen that is in bacteria that is in the blood. or in the urine. and then can appropriately tailor both the antibiotics and his fluid resuscitation to ensure that he makes a good recovery. so the fact that he's walking around and jobing with staff, all good signs. high probability he's going to do really well. but just goes to show you how fragile things can get as you get older. and you have to be alert to telltale signs of extreme fatigue or fever or shivering or cold and to have a high index of -- low index of getting to medical attention right away and it sounds like that's what he did. so if i had to put it all together from the snippets that i heard, it is possible that this started as a urinary tract infection, 25% of all sepsis cases start as urinary tract infections and proceeded to the blood and so he was in a -- he was under extreme threat and it sounds like the doctors and the nursing staff and hospital staff did a terrific job and resuscitated him in the sense they gave him fluids and antibiotics. and now he's doing well. >> he, of course, had serious heart bypass surgery a number of years ago. would that be a factor at all in terms of vulnerability to this? >> well, you know, if somebody has underlying structural heart changes, in this case surgery, and has bacteria in the blood, if you don't find another source, one thing you might do is look possibly that this could be an endo carditis, that does not sound like that's the case, but that is something you would look for. and my understanding is that from the press is that the docs at uc irvine were in discussion with his cardiologist at columbia. >> good. thank you for that update. i want to talk about the news we're hearing regarding booster shots for vaccines. so pfizer and moderna, they're already both approved for a booster shot for people in particular categories, more vulnerable. fda is meeting to discuss the same for johnson & johnson's. is that big picture where we're headed here now, that there will be a recommendation for the most vulnerable to get a booster? >> i think so, you know, we have had this discussion before, jim, we said that the two mrna vaccines will be three dose vaccines and joinhnson & johnso will be a two-dose vaccine. i said that early on where it showed that individuals who got two doses of the j&j vaccine had much higher levels of virus neutralizing antibody and more robust t-cell responses. and i think that's what's panning out. there was some discussion a couple of days ago about a preprint that came online suggesting that those who got a j&j dose of this irvaccine when they were -- when they got boosted with mrna vaccines they did better than a second j&j dose. i'm pushing back a little bit on that in the sense that when you look at that early data, the big rise in responses were delayed happened later on, maybe 70, 80 days after as opposed to the 30-day window in that study. i think there going to be more follow-up. i think it will turn out that the j&j vaccine is a strong vaccine. >> did dr. paul offet and made the point that all this talk about vaccine boosters given that the efficacy of vaccines against the key things, hospitalization, deaths remain high even as the efficacy drops off. is there a damaging aspect to all the discussion of boosters at this point given the portion of the country that still hasn't gotten any shots? >> first of all, it is not either/or. we have to do both. we have to get first doses of vaccines in those who are hesitant or refusing and we have to boost. it is as simple as that. here is the reason why i think giving the third immunization of the mrna or the second of the j&j vaccine is important, there is talk about the impact of preventing hospitalization, but we also have to prevent long covid. i think it is going to be really important to prevent both. >> all right, good to hear. important to think about. dr. peter hotez, thank you very much. thanks so much, jim. >> steve bannon is in serious legal trouble this morning after failing to comply with the congressional subpoena it appear before the house committee investigating january 6th. the committee is now moving forward to hold bannon in criminal contempt. >> if he refuses the subpoena like we expect him to continue to do, then we're left with no other choice than to ask the justice department, lock him up, and hold him in contempt, and clearly that might send enough of a message that he will agree to talk to us. >> bannon's attorney said bannon will not cooperate until the committee reaches an agreement with former president trump over trump's claims of executive privilege or until a court in effect forces him. cnn law enforcement correspondent whitney wild joins me now. the committee chose to delay deadlines to respond for meadows, scavino and patel as it pursues bannon. how long are those delayed and would they face the same, the same potential charges if they refuse? >> if in the end they decide they're going to completely defy the subpoena, i think the committee made very clear they're willing to exercise as much severity when it comes to those three as they have with bannon. let's look at the bannon timeline. so what we know now is the committee is planning to hold a business meeting on tuesday of next week, then they will assume -- we assume advance this referral out of committee, send it to the house floor for a vote where it will end up at the department of justice. there is still a chance there is prosecutorial discretion, but at this point the house sending referral to the department of justice is, you know, for them, a compelling reason to at least very strongly consider moving forward with this criminal contempt. and the reality is here, this could end up in the most extreme circumstance, could end up with up to 12 months in custody for bannon. so this is the real deal, this is the committee saying we are committed to extending this as far as they possibly can. because a lot of people have basically -- what bannon and other people are saying is we're not going to do what you want to do, not going to give you the documents you want, the interviews you want, and there is nothing you can do about it. this is the committee saying, yes, there is and we're going to move forward. so now the real impact here on a granular level, jim, is that the timeline for getting information is extended, because the intention was to get information, then continue to ask informed questions of other people who are due for depositions later on and coming months, coming weeks and months, and without that information it is a little bit more difficult to ask these informed questions. next week another big week because we know that these people who are subpoenaed in the second round, this is specifically rally organizers, they're due for depositions next week. so more information to come, jim. >> whitney wild, thank you very much. i'm joined now by deputy assistant attorney general elliott williams. the ball is in the justice department's court here, does it act? >> it certainly can and should. look, you know, this doesn't happen that often, jim, quite frankly, and, you know, it is -- we know the committee is going to approve the subpoenas on tuesday. we have every reason to believe that, look, it is a more friendly justice department to this congress than we have seen before. and when someone openly defies a subpoena, this isn't just about democrats and republicans. it is about a disrespect of congress, a house of government, and its authority to compel people to testify. and someone who thumbs their nose at that ought to pay a price for it. that's what we'll likely see. >> they should. but, elliott, we have seen this movie before the last several years. trump administration was expert at playing the delay game, right? and it works. don mcgahn, we waited two years and we did, but it was after trump left office, right, and long after people really remembered why it was being brought in. >> couple of things there, number one, the parties, political and individual, are just different now. and when you have a republican congress and/or republican president, they're less likely, sadly, to pursue subpoenas. the other thing is that even though some of these legal and criminal proceedings may outlast this committee, at the end of the day, the criminal process, if it starts will still happen, he may not go to jail before the end of the next congress, but can still go it jail if the justice department is still prosecuting him. it is unfortunate that these things don't happen all in the timeline that either congress or frankly a very hungry american public want, but it is still a criminal charge. >> you're right, it is a big step. elliott williams, thank you very much. >> thank you, jim. we have this breaking news just in to cnn. cnn is learning that a british lawmaker has been stabbed, several times, during a meeting with constituents. david amos, a conservative member of parliament there, the target of this. police in essex say the stabbing happened just a couple of hours ago, around noon local time. officers were on scene shortly after and arrested a man, they also recovered a knife at the scene. they say they are not looking for any additional suspects at this point. we will keep you updated as we get more updates on this story. still ahead this hour, president biden's commission on the supreme court releases some early recommendations. hear what they said about potential term limits. plus, alex murdaugh, the former south carolina attorney at the center of multiple investigations now has been arrested a second time. now he's accused of stealing millions of dollars from his housekeeper's family after her death. their lawyer will join me live. and china is about to send its first female astronaut to the space station. closer look at the long-term goals for the chinese program. so, you're recalibrating and reconnecting to the environment. seeing yourself as an artist - legitimate and genuine - can be transformational. daddy! for the best audio entertainment and storytelling. audible. i've always focused on my career. but when we found out our son had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths always calmed him. so we turned bath time into a 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announced last month it was going to rescind that move and instead impose these requirements that any foreign traveler coming from any country must show proof of vaccination to enter, so no longer on a country by country basis. they also announced earlier this week they were going to be ending the ban on nonessential travel, land travel between the u.s., canada and mexico. all of these are now going into effect beginning november 8th. so whether you're coming into the u.s., by plane, or by car, driving across the u.s., mexico or u.s./canada border beginning november 8th, you'll need to show proof of vaccination for that nonessential travel. but ra really this opens up the possibility of foreigners traveling to the united states for millions of people and now going into place november 8th. this is along the backdrop of covid cases in the united states dramatically declining in recent weeks. we're, of course, not out of the pandemic as the president stressed yesterday. but a lot of progress has been made and this is one step toward that return to normalcy after over a year and a half of these pretty severe travel restrictions. jim? >> i'm sure the airlines welcome that change as well. jeremy diamond, thanks so much. more breaking news overnight, this is important, the nation's most restrictive abortion law will remain in effect for now as a federal appeals court reviews a lower court's order that had blocked it. the law, you'll remember, bans abortions after a heart beat detected, which usually happens about six weeks into a pregnancy, before a woman knows she is pregnant. joining me now cnn supreme court court reporter arianna de vogue and joan descupic. in effect roe v. wade suspended there. what are the implications? what happens next? >> this has been the situation since september 1st. we're six weeks in. and last night a federal appeals court said this law can remain on the books while the legal challenges are continuing. this is a very big deal. you outlined what the law does, once a fetal heart beat is detected, at a point when most women don't even know they're pregnant, it is already led to so many women in texas going to other states. and other states enforcing -- trying to enforce copycat laws. now, the next action should come from the department of justice, which has taken a very urgent stand on this from the beginning saying, first of all, this violates the supremacy clause. we should be able to come in and challenge you, state of texas, on those grounds, to enforce a federal constitutional right to abortion, and also we want to challenge it also on equal protection grounds under the constitution. department of justice made a very robust case here about why it can sue. so far it has -- it has gotten very good reception from the district court judge down in texas saying, yes, the department of justice should be able to interfere here, intervene, block this law from taking effect. the 5th circuit as you know, jim, said, no, and now the next step will be back at the u.s. supreme court which as you recall had allowed this law to take effect in sort of a -- taking a muddled approach saying we're not sure, there are serious constitutional issues here but we're not sure what to do yet. >> when does the supreme court consider the big picture issue here? two things going on. the next action would have to come from the department of justice saying they want to lift this -- they want to stop the law from taking effect. >> that's going to happen. >> okay, but substance. when will it -- when will we really see a serious look at roe v. wade? december at the earliest. that's when the supreme court is considering in another case from mississippi that involves now the six week ban, but a 15-week ban, looking at -- >> it's coming. >> yes. do these bans violate the constitutional premise that we have all had that the federal government, no state government can interfere with a woman's right to abortion until a fetus is viable. that is can live outside a woman. >> does roe v. wade survive. this broader debate about reforming the supreme court. president biden commissioned a commission. they have the recommendations. briefly what are they, and do they go anywhere? >> this is a commission that is going to please nobody. the conservatives say we don't need it. they love the 6-3 majority and the liberals say it doesn't go far enough because it has no teeth because at the end of the day, it is not going to issue any hard recommendations. it is about 36 law professors, mostly liberals looking at these ideas of reform and sort of doing a lot of analysis. today they meet again. last night they issued some draft reports. and they looked at two proposals. one, term limits. should the justices have term limits? the commission seemed to have some consensus that maybe term limits are a good idea, that would maybe change the content of the court more often. but then they looked at court packing, whether or not they should add more justices on the supreme court. there was a very mixed decision, they didn't think that was a good idea. and here's what's important to note. liberal justices themselves, the late ruth bader ginsburg, justice breyer who joan just interviewed, they don't think adding members to the court is a good idea. this commission is going through the motions, it is going to have hearings today, it is going to issue a report, but a lot of liberals do not like the way it is structured. >> quickly, any recommendation for it to become a reality would have to pass via an act of congress, right? and there is no sign there is any -- >> and biden would have to get on board. so really it is -- the way it is structured, a lot of people think it is not going to really go anywhere. >> all right, lots to watch at the supreme court. trust me. we'll be covering it. thanks so much. back to our breaking news, this from the uk this morning, police say they have a suspect now in custody after a 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this individual and they are not looking for any other suspects at this time. it appears for now this incident is over, but it is absolutely horrific, as you can imagine. this is a conservative lawmaker, this was during his open office hours, about 12:00 local time, so broad daylight, here, when this incident occurred. it has been several years since we have seen an incident like this, this is not a controversial figure, he's a conservative mp, well known, he was first elected in 1983, so a long-standing, long serving member of parliament here, and, of course, the question now is why did this take place, what was the motivation behind it, behind it, and who is this suspect? the last time a lawmaker was established in a very similar incident was about five years ago during the brexit period, that seemed to be from a right wing attacker. so questions will be asked about what was motivation of this attacker, police looking for no one at large here for now. but will there be further links uncovered? that's the question. >> salma abdelaziz, thank you so much. we'll keep you updated on the condition of the member of parliament. this has been a difficult time between the relations between the u.s. and france, the withdraw from afghanistan, a dispute over a nuclear deal with australia, a time for french officials to come to washington to discuss that relationship. we're joined by one of them, the french finance minister bruno lambier. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. good morning. >> you came to washington following two major disruptions in the u.s. french relationship and that is french public dissatisfaction with the pace and method of the withdraw from afghanistan and the u.s./australia nuclear deal which replaced a deal that france had with australia. as you head home later today after these meetings, is the relationship between the u.s. and france repaired? being repaired, or still damaged? >> i think we are on the right track. we are building back better, i would say, between france and the united states. and as far as finance and economy are concerned, we are very satisfied by the meetings i had with both powell, with janet yellen, i think we are on the right track. we are very grateful to the u.s. administration for the support to the international taxation system, this new agreement on taxation and digital taxation. we are on the right track. there is one point we need to fix the issue which is trade, tariffs on aluminum and steel. i hope that over the next month, the next weeks, we can pave the way for a final agreement between the u.s. and europe on tariffs. >> do you believe that the biden administration will agree to lift many tariffs? >> i think this is in the interest of the u.s. administration to lift tariffs on aluminum and steel. the only country which would benefit from a new trade war between the united states and europe is clearly. do we want china benefiting over a trade war or trade tensions between europe and the united states? my response is clearly no. >> you mentioned china. this is an area of disagreement between the u.s. and france as well, in terms of the level of the threat that china presents today. you told the new york times that when it comes to the u.s. and france's china strategies, the european wants to engage china. in your view, in the view of the french government, is china less of a threat than you hear from american officials? >> i don't think that we should characterize china as a threat. because if it is a threat, you have to fight against china. who is really ready to fight against china? so i think that is not the right approach. and i would not say there is a disagreement between the u.s. and europe vis-a-vis china. there is a difference in the approach. and that's why i'm advocating for a stronger coordination between european countries on the united states, to enter the key strategic question, how to deal with china over the next decade. and i think that, first of all, we should reinforce the cooperation between the u.s. and european countries. second, we should have a list of issues and make differences between the question of the human rights, the question of trade, the question of access to market, so that we can try to find solutions on every topic instead of having the global approach. >> okay. engagement has been tried for decades really with china. that's an argument you hear, entering china's entrance into the wto. >> and you get some results. >> but china's trade practices did not miraculously became fairer. >> i'm not explaining that we are satisfied with china. i'm just explaining that engagement is for us, for the french president, for all european countries the right approach. and it can give some reserves. let's just give two examples on the international taxation, china was totally opposed to the idea of having a new taxation system. finally they agreed on this agreement at the oecd level, clear evidence there is room for maneuver. second example, the question of debt. we succeeded in a common framework in this common framework, china is trying to abide by the rules and to engage, to reduce the level of public debt within the poorest countries in the world. we can register some limited progress, but we have to build on this limited progress. >> i want to ask about supply chain issues because, of course, america is not the only country suffering under these right now. just as our ports are clogged and backed up with container ships, et cetera. europe experiencing the same. is this supply chain crisis, does it alleviate in weeks, months? is it lasting? >> i would say month. i would say that it will last until the end of 2022, at least. at least. >> more than a year? >> more than a year. because we have this negative consequences of good news. good news is we have a very strong, quick and solid economic recovery. but the consequence of that is the lack of people on the liberal markets, the lack of key components like semiconductors. what is the right response to that? the right response has been given by president biden, independence. independence is the response that president biden wants to give to the united states. and emmanuel macron is on the same line. he's just announced an investment plan to be more independent on key technologies on green hydrogen, on nuclear energy, so i think that if you take that example, we have exactly the same kind of approach between france and the united states, and i would characterize this approach as a kind of good approach. >> on this issue, for instance, leadership on responding to an economic crisis here, leadership regarding afghanistan, leadership regarding how exactly to stand up or engage with china, in your view, does the u.s. hold the same influence with europe today that it held 10, 20 years ago, or is that influence, is that position declining? >> that's not the same kind of influence because united states do not have the same kind of interest vis-a-vis europe. let's be lucid about that. the united states are far more interested now on china, on asia, than on the european countries. that's a fact. that's not a critic against my american friends. i'm very close to the american people. i know your country. i like your country. but let's take that as a reality. now, the united states are far more interested in the future of asia than in the future of europe. the consequence that all european countries must draw from this is to build their own independence, not only from an economic point of view, but also from the strategic point of view to get access to new technologies, to be more independent on key technologies, on space, on artificial intelligence, and that's the same for the different issue. we need to be more independent as far as our security is concerned. and emmanuel macron has beened avol aadvocating for many years to have the european defense to be more credible. i think this is the right response. the united states and far more interested in the future of asia than for the future of europe. >> you made that very clear with recent decisions. minister bruno le maire, thank you. prominent south carolina attorney alex murdaugh has been arrested again on charges he swindled the sons of his housekeeper after she passed away. we're going to speak to their lawyer next. ♪ ♪ love is a roller coaster. to each their own love. the vera wang love collection. designed for zales the diamond store. the once prominent south carolina attorney alex murdaugh has been arrested for the second time in a month. this time in orlando where he was in a drug rehab center. murdaugh is charged with stealing millions of dollars from settlement funds in connection to the 2018 death of his family's long time housekeeper, gloria satterfield. the attorneys for her estate say he orchestrated a scheme to have the money from that settlement meant for her family sent to a made up company and eventually into his own pockets. joining me now is one of those attorneys ronald richter, founder and partner of the bland/richter in law firm. thank you for taking the time this morning. >> good morning. >> i wonder if you could explain to our viewers how this scheme worked. he's accused of stealing $4.3 million from the estate of gloria satterfield, that his late housekeeper, through multiple settlements meant for the family. how did he pull this off? >> so the centerpiece of the scheme was the establishment of the bank account under the name forge, which for us in south carolina, for attorneys in south carolina the preeminent structured settlement firm that we go to when large recoveries are made in lawsuits is a group called forge consulting. obviously he tried to leverage the credibility of forge consulting by setting up an account called forge. so when the proceeds came in for the settlement, he had them directed into an account in the name forge, which was just an account he made on his own behalf. >> so, that's a remarkable thing to pull off over many years in effect here. what happens now? i mean, that money was intended for the family, the surviving family members of satterfield. is there a way to recover those funds? >> yes, so obviously those funds are gone. we have subpoenaed the forge account, we're waiting now the results of that subpoena to find out exactly what happened to that money. but alex did not act alone in making this happen. he certainly needed help and the help came from those who also participated in the settlement. so we filed lawsuits virtually against anybody who touched that money, anybody who participated in those settlements, and it is by and through those lawsuits we intend to make our clients whole again. >> okay, i wonder if i can, this was the settlement for the death of the late housekeeper. there were new questions about that death itself. recently the coroner has raised questions and there is now a possibility i believe of another autopsy. there was no autopsy at the time. does the family, do you believe that the circumstances of her death were questionable? >> yeah, we don't know. this is what we know about the death. we know she died on the property of alex murdaugh, we know it was reported that she fell down the stairs and that her fall was caused by the dogs at the property. what is unusual is, you know, without a formal medical investigation, without a formal autopsy, after weeks in the hospital, after weeks in a coma, that death was declared a natural death and therefore no investigation took place. and there is nothing natural about a 57-year-old woman falling down a flight of steps and suffering injuries that caused her ultimate demise. that is not a natural death. so i think those circumstances alone combined with the other, you know, suspicious deaths on the murdaugh property were enough to cause our state law enforcement to reopen that investigation. >> the lawyer for alex murdaugh, he was on "good morning america", abc 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