large. her body was discovered on the 19th of last month in the bridg bridger teton national forest in wyoming. we are joined now by dr. brent blue. dr. blue, i really appreciate your time tonight. according to -- to your report, gabby petito's cause of death was manual strangulation/throttling. does that mean that -- what exactly does that mean? because i mean, it -- does it mean that somebody used their hands or some sort of an object? >> throttling means that they -- that someone was strangled by human force. there was no mechanical force involved. people can be strangled by other means, like we have seen people on snow mobiles who run into a wire, that would be strangling by a mechanical event. but this was -- we believe this is strangling by a human being. >> how do you determine that it's a human being? >> well, mainly because only humans have opposable thumbs. but the -- the -- there is no evidence that this was done by any kind of animal as far as the cause of death. >> no i mean -- i mean it -- you can tell somebody used their hands, as opposed to used an -- you know, some -- some other object? >> you can't necessarily tell that. but when we talk about manual strangling, it's as opposed to something that is mechanical that has caused it. >> you said today -- and i am quoting -- this is only one of many deaths around the country people who are involved in domestic violence and it's unfortunate that these other deaths do not get as much coverage as this one, unquote. um, your point about coverage is -- is absolutely well taken. um, there's a lot of people who do not receive this kind of coverage or this kind of interest, frankly, from the public. um, your statement, though, also suggests -- and i don't know if that's intentional or not -- that -- that you determined gabby petito's death was the result of domestic violence. was -- is that an assumption? or is that something you are saying based on -- on something you learned? >> that's an assumption. strictly, an assumption. >> okay. i also want to bring in our randi kaye, who is in north port, florida. she's been reporting on this story since -- since the very beginning. she spent some time in wyoming trying to retrace gabby petito's last-known steps, and i know she has some questions, as well. randi? >> sure. >> anderson, thanks. dr. blue, i wanted to ask you about a text that gabby's mother received from her daughter's phone on august 30th. and if you look at your timeline, her death would have occurred between august 22nd and august 29th. so, if this text on august 30th that said there was no service in yosemite came from gabby's phone, can you say definitively that gabby petito could not have sent that text on august 30th? >> no, i can't. when we talk about a timeline of death this far out from the death, that timeline could be plus or minus a week at -- at a minimum. and that is because of different weather conditions and different locations. so it's really, very, very rough. it's not like tv where they say, oh, they died on this date. it's -- it's -- it's a very rough estimate. and i know that law enforcement is using other methods to try to determine a most -- a more exact date. but from an autopsy point of view, it's -- it's a very rough estimate. >> so -- and, randi, just -- just -- can you explain to our viewers why that -- why you asked that question? because i mean, if -- if -- if she was not, obviously, alive on that day when they received that text, then it would indicate that brian laundrie or -- or somebody else, theoretically, sent that text to them. >> right. i mean, it's key because if she didn't send it and the text said that there's no service in yosemite, whoever did send it, were -- the question is were they trying to make her family or investigators even believe that gabby petito at some point had been in yosemite and perhaps they would have started looking for her there. >> dr. blue, can you tell us if gabby petito was killed in the location where authorities found -- found her? or if she was possibly moved there? >> i -- that's not for us to determine. that's for law enforcement to -- to determine. but -- but i just want to point out it's yellow stone, not yosemite. >> appreciate that. sorry about that. >> no problem. it's a mistake a lot of people make. >> yeah. well, you can tell i grew up in a city. so -- though, i have spent a lot of time in wyoming and i love the state. but um, i will do better next time. randi, i think you have another question? >> i do. um, i wanted to ask, dr. blue, just getting back to the timeline, and in terms of when gabby petito was last seen, we know that she facetimed with her mom on august 24th. and then, she was in this restaurant with brian laundrie. they were spotted in jackson, wyoming, on august 27th. she left the restaurant in tears. brian laundrie, according to the witnesses, left very angry. so just getting back to your timeline, i know you said there's some wiggle room there but that august 22nd to august 29th. if we know she was last seen in public on the 27th, is it possible to just narrow that down a little bit to those last couple of days perhaps between august 27th and august 29th? >> i can't narrow that down from our perspective. that has to come from law enforcement. we only can base our -- our findings on the -- the autopsy results, not on those kind of timelines because we don't really have access to that information. that investigate -- investigation is all done by law enforcement. >> and, dr. blue, are there -- um -- are there things that you cannot disclose that you know because of an ongoing investigation? i mean, is there more information that you have been able to get -- would certainly be understandable if -- if -- you know, there was and -- and that's what you're doing. but i just -- is that -- or is this all the information you know? >> no, there -- there's more information. but because it's an ongoing investigation, that information is not going to be released. plus, under the -- the state statutes in wyoming, the only thing that the coroner is responsible for releasing is -- is the identification of the body, and the manner and cause of death. and everything else is -- is essentially protected. but there -- there are reasons why, for instance, in our investigation we call this a homicide, first. and then, the cause of death later. and that had a lot -- lot to do with certain circumstances and factors that we observed and -- and found in our investigation. >> um, dr. blue, i really appreciate your -- your time tonight. and i appreciate all the work you do. it's -- you -- you give voice to those whose voices have been stolen from them. and -- and you help tell a story, and get justice for -- for families. i really appreciate you being with us tonight. >> thank you very much. >> randi, as well. thank you. some additional perspective now on the investigative and forensic aspects of this now that we know what we know. joining us for that is cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe. also, frances kobilinsky. i am wondering your initial reaction to -- to what you heard from the coroner? >> well, i think we were waiting for the cause of death and, you know, he did say that this was due to strangulation. i didn't know at first what that meant because there are three different kinds of strangulation. there -- there's hanging. there's ligature strangulation and manual strangulation. and obviously, now we know it's manual strangulation which is a very close-in way of killing somebody. it's not like shooting somebody from a distance. this is very personal, and it does tell a story about anger and hostility. um, and just an attack on another person. so, it tells us a lot. >> andrew, when you -- when you hear that cause of death -- manual strangulation, throttling -- is that enough to conclude that this was murder? because we already knew this case was a homicide. but homicide doesn't automatically mean murder. does the autopsy settle that question at this point? >> well, i mean i think to some degree, it does, right? so, we know that it's homicide which means it's death inflicted by another human being. so, strangulation, manual strangulation, strangulation -- um -- as it's described by the -- by the -- um -- by the coroner here -- um -- you know, it -- it's murder unless under some factual circumstance, the person who strangled gabby petito was acting in self-defense. and so, that's a -- um -- you know, that's a fact that we -- we've not -- we -- we don't know that, yet. and -- and -- and likely, we won't until this matter goes to some sort of a trial or hearing. >> kobilinsky, putting aside the substantial evidence for a second, is there any evidence that is discovered during an autopsy of someone that -- that -- who this has happened to that could help authorities identify or build a case against the -- the person who did it? >> i think this is a very complicated case because they were -- they were engaged to be married. they were -- they were living together. they were in the van together all the time. finding brian laundrie's dna or trace evidence on the remains is not going to tell us very much. however, if we now know that she was manually strangled, then finding his dna or trace evidence where the pressure was excerpted by the hands and fingers on the neck, that would be very revealing. and that could be used in court to make the case. i mean, right now he is not even a suspect. he's still a person of interest. so there's a lot of loose ends here that need to be hooked up before any kind of trial. that's if brian laundrie is ever found. >> dr. kobilinsky, just in layman's terms and -- and maybe without getting too much into any sort of detail here, um, how does one determine a timeline of potential time of death? i mean, the -- the timeline that -- that dr. blue was talking about, you know, was -- is soefover the course of sever days. but it, specifically, you know, it has an end date. although he said -- i believe he used the term wiggle room in that. how do you determine that? >> well, anderson, you know, what we're talking about is the postmortem interval. and if you find the body before three days of postmortem interval, it's pretty straightforward. you've got lirigor mortis and t body temperature going from normal body temperature down to ambient. rigor mortis. you have changes of potassium in the vitrius, the jelly part of the eye. but after three days, it becomes very hard. and quite frankly, they need an entomologist to study the succession and colonization of insect life. i know there's an anthropologist that worked on this. but we don't know about an entomologist. but giving an estimate of time of death is exactly right. and i think dr. blue is -- is correct in giving a very loose kind of estimate between three and four weeks. that sounds about right, given that she did facetime with her mother on august 24th and the body was found on september 19th. that timeframe sounds just right. i will say that medical examiners and coroners usually do incorporate the information that law enforcement provides when they come around to the point of discussing these issues, cause of death, manner of death, and time of death. they incorporate all that information before they draw any conclusions. here, they did not. and i -- i think he's right in terms of the estimate of time of death. >> andrew, there's certainly, you know, a lot of people watching who see what the coroner said today, hear what he said, and wonder where brian laundrie would only -- still, officially only be wanted in connection with using gabby petito's bank card following -- following her death? >> sure. so, there are a number of reasons, anderson. and essentially, what it comes down to is the fbi and law enforcement don't need to charge brian laundrie with a homicide at this point. um, they have an outstanding warrant which is a very helpful thing because that warrant is lodged with ncic and interpol, the two entities that allow the warrant to be communicated to all law enforcement really around the world. so if he is found somewhere, he can be arrested on that warrant. so that's really the placeholder that you need right now. moving forward, to charge him with homicide would put the government in the position of having to reveal a lot of facts and details and -- and -- um -- make a bunch of assertions in their -- in their paperwork and in their probable cause argument that it's just not advantageous for the government to go on record with those facts at this point. >> laurence kobilinsky, andrew mccabe, appreciate your expertise. a fast approaching deadline for top aides and associates of the former president to tell the house select committee what they know about his role on january 6th. that and the threat of severe consequences if they refuse. we will ask a committee member how she thinks that might play out. and later, what could be a major change on who should be taking or talking to their doctor about taking low-dose aspirin to prevent heart disease and stroke. dr. sanjay gupta and i have been talking about this for years and believe me when i tell you i have a lot of questions. he'll join us to try and make sense of the new proposed guidelines and whether you at home should be taking the 81 milligrams of aspirin, or not. we'll be right back. when we found out our son had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths calmed him. so we made a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com when you hear, cough cough sneeze sneeze. 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>> i know your pain. i know you're hurt. we had an election that was stolen from us. it was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. but you have to go home now. we have to have peace. we have to have law and order. we have to respect our great people in law and order. we don't want anybody hurt, so go home. we love you. you're very special. >> we love you. you're very special. it's pitiful. but now, of course, with the exception of committee members liz cheney and adam kinzinger, virtually every other republican, including the former vice president who the mob wanted to lynch, they are now trying to sweep it all down the memory hole. or in the case of former white house chief of staff mark meadows who is facing that committee deadline, trying last night to make the investigation of an existential threat to democracy seem like nothing more than politics as usual. >> i can tell you what -- what we're seeing here is basically democrats want to talk about anything other than the economy. >> see if he wants to talk at all. joining us now, committee member zoe lofgren, democrat of california. congressman, thanks for being with us. do you expect these former-trump aides to show up to the depositions later this week? >> well, we hope that they do. they have an obligation to do so, and unless they are trying to hide things, they would step forward. but we're prepared to take whatever steps are necessary to compel their appearance. >> i mean, there are legal experts who say, you know, yes, the justice department could very well pursue a criminal contempt case. but it would take a long time, and, you know, steve bannon's attorneys have said he's not going to show up. the prospect that bannon would actually be forced to testify or thrown in jail before this congress goes out of session a little more than a year, that would seem to be almost impossible or remote, don't you think? >> i don't think that's correct. the process is this, anderson. if we decide that he is thumbing his nose at the congress, and not complying as he should, we, the committee, would adopt a resolution to refer for criminal contempt. that would not take a long period of time. in order for the referral to proceed, it would have to be a vote on the house. that would not necessarily take a long time. under the -- the process, the u.s. attorney takes it to a grand jury. there are grand juries sitting, already. so, that wouldn't necessarily take a long time. we expect the justice department to uphold the rule of law, to make sure that there's no coverup of misconduct here. and we, in the congress, will proceed as we must, either, to hear the testimony that they are obliged to provide. or to take all other steps available to us to get that testimony. >> congressman schiff as you know has said he believes your committee will receive documents related to the insurrection, quote, very soon. but the former president has made a claim of executive privilege over many records and a letter to the national archives. that claim is obviously dubious because he is not the sitting president. but if the national archives doesn't want to wade into the middle of this, a, do they have that option? and what can you do to actually get those records? >> well, i don't think they have the option. the statute's pretty clear. the existing president has blessed the deliverance of this material to us. the former president has an opportunity to look at it, but he doesn't really have a say in it. he's a litigious person. we know that. but there's no real ambiguity in the statute, and i expect that we will get this information. >> you served with mark meadows in -- in the house. i don't know, you know, how well you know him. but i don't know him at all. you hear him on fox news claiming this is all political. can you say whether he is actually cooperating with the committee? >> well, i'll just say this. that the lawyers are engaging with our lawyers, and it wouldn't be useful for me to -- >> okay. >> -- characterize that further. but yes, i did serve with mark and i think he must know what he is saying is incorrect. >> and just lastly, should we expect to see more subpoenas issued in the coming days? >> we will be issuing requests as well as subpoenas for documents as we proceed. the committee is moving quickly. we're well aware that delay is not possible. and so, you know, we're -- we're willing to engage with witnesses but not willing to be strung along. and so, we are moving as quickly as we can to get to the bottom of this. the american people deserve that, and it's the obligation we have as members of the committee. and i will say this. in contrast to many committees in the capitol, this committee -- every member of the committee -- is working together productively. we're not fighting each other. we're all pulling in the same direction just to get the truth and nothing more. >> congresswoman zoe lofgren. by the way, i apologize. i think i said zoe when i introduced you. >> yes, you did. but i have been called worse. >> congresswoman, thank you. coming up next, where all this leaves us and where events could soon lead us. we will be joined by the authors of "how democracies die" for their take on the state of ours. discover card i just got my cashback match is this for real? 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the upcoming testimony for former trump insiders is only one signpost to what many experts fear is not so winding road to a dark place for democracy. the path to tyranny is how fiona hill put to it me recently. here to talk more about where we are and how perhaps to change course are steven and daniel, co-authors of "how democracies die" which i cannot recommend strongly enough. steve, appreciate you being with us. we spoke last, i think, in the spring. seems like since then, we have been witnessing kind of a death by a thousand cuts to the fabric of this nation's democracy. as someone who's studied democracies extensively, how do you see this moment we're in? >> it is pretty dark, i agree with you, anderson. um, when we wrote the -- when we wrote "how democracies die" four years ago, we were -- um -- worried about the republican party because they allowed donald trump to be elected. they sorted dropped the ball and -- and fwailed to protect or democracy from authoritarian demagogue. but we did not expect that the entire republican party would evolve into an anti-democratic force. and that's where they are today. the entire republican party leadership, with a small handful of exceptions, is now no longer willing to accept electoral defeat. and a democracy can't survive -- cannot survive -- if one major party can't accept defeat, can't lose. >> daniel, you know, i -- i spoke with former-trump administration national security official fiona hill last week. she called january 6th a slow-motion coup attempt. do you see it that way? and -- and how far in are -- are we now, given the ongoing efforts by, you know, many in the capitol to -- to rewrite history? >> yeah, you know, what's interesting is that there have been other events like this in other countries. france in 1934. there was an attack on the parliament. the police fought the -- the right-wing radicals off in that case. but six years later, democracy died in france. and part of it was there was an investigation, there was a committee that investigated that attack. and it was highly politicized. they never really fully came to terms with it and this was a harbinger of things to come. spain in 1981, there was often attempted coup where -- where soldiers came into the parliament as they were counting votes. transitions of power, always dangerous times. and at that moment, the establishment politicians, the king of spain stood up and said this unacceptable and spanish democracy survived. so how mainstream politicians and establishment figures respond to events like this determine our fate. and right now, looking where we are compared to other countries, it's not looking very promising. >> i mean, that's terrifying that it's -- that a lot of it depends, at a juncture like this, on what our political leaders choose to do. and that is dear-- i mean, that pretty stunning. >> yeah, that's right. and so, we often think that the threat to democracy is people simply marching in the streets. that obviously is a problem. you know, people marching in the streets with guns, not accepting election results but a major determinant, also, when we look throughout history. again, we are not the only country to ever experience this is how establishment politicians respond and do they draw a clear line and separate and condemn this kind of behavior? or don't they? and when they don't, then things degenerate. >> steve, last time you were on, you brought up comparison to the civil war. and you know the pushback a lot of people, you know, scoffed and shrugged that off and said by invoking that, you are being hyperbolic. are you? >> look, i don't think we're going to fall into a large-scale war equivalent to the civil war. but look, when we wrote "how democracies die," a lot of people dismissed it as alarmist. and after -- after january 6th -- after -- after donald trump spent two months incessantly trying to over -- illegally overturn the election, it's really difficult to -- to deny that we're in -- in a dangerous place. so again, we are not going to slide into civil war but the republican party's the only mainstream political party among all established western democracies that has turned against democracy. you won't find a party like the republican party or mainstream party anywhere in europe. that we were in entirely new territory. this -- you got to go back to the 1930s to find a mainstream party that is behaving in this way. >> dan, it's so interesting. you know, we have now gotten a -- a very -- a more definitive account from congress about, you know, what happened in the white house. some of the things that were going on in the white house, and particularly that meeting in which president trump is, you know, talking to the acting-attorney general and trying to essentially pressure him repeatedly. and, you know, contemplating getting rid of him repeatedly over the course of the hours. he had to be talked out of it over the course of some-three hours. i mean, that just -- it's just extraordinary. it's sort of worse than many people even realized. >> yeah, because you know, there is always a grassroots movement in any society that doesn't accept democracy. we can think of the ku klux klan throughout american history and other moments in other countries. so again, i am repeating myself a bit here but the critical thing is what do the mainstream parties do? and when -- when they play along with this, when they play footsie with this kind of winking and nodding at it thinking maybe we need to kind of roll with this a little bit in order to get -- get -- get access to office. they end up killing democracy in the process. and so, it's incredibly reckless to do this kind of thing. and one thing we should say is, at the end of the day, you know, democracy did survive january 6th. um, and there were in a couple of states, you know, secretaries of state, republican secretaries of state, who stood up for free and fair elections but that -- but it came very close and so our democracy survived but just barely. and so, we shouldn't rest easy. i think we should take this very seriously. >> and, steve, now a number of states are trying to pass laws, you know, that would make it more difficult for election officials to be able to stand up the next time around. >> yes. in fact, i think that's the greatest danger. i mean, as horrifying as january 6th was, that's probably not how democracy's going to die in the united states. the way democracy will die will be a stolen election in 2024. it'll be states either throwing out -- state legislatures even -- either throwing out the votes in democratic strongholds, like bolton county in georgia or maricopa county in arizona. or state legislatures sending alternate slates of electors to the electoral college. it will be a, quote/unquote, l legal overturning of the electoral results. that's how democracy will die. >> steve, daniel, i appreciate it. thank you very much. for years, we have heard that taking an aspirin a day can help prevent heart attack and stroke. i have been taking an aspirin a day for quite some time based on that. now, there is new advice. isn't there always new advice? that may change the daily routines of many people, including me although actually not. dr. sanjay gupta helps us make sense of it coming up, next. 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i think so. joining us now, cnn chief medical correspondent and author of the new book about covid-19 pandemic "world war c" dr. sanjay gupta. so, you know, sanjay have talked for years given both of our family histories. i -- i have been taking a daily aspirin, you know, 81 milligrams, whatever, for -- i can't even remember how many years. 20, 30 years or something. now, i'm not supposed to? >> well, yeah. so, confusing is right, anderson. although, you know, science evolves a bit. i think the recommendations evolve with that. for you, personally, they are not saying that you should stop it if you are somebody who's already been taking this. you've had conversations with your doctor about this. don't just stop this. if -- if you're thinking about this conversation with your doctor, talk to them, first, before stopping something. or if you've had a heart attack or a stroke in the past, and now a baby aspirin, 81 milligrams as you point out, is being used to try to prevent a second heart attack or stroke. don't stop in those cases, as well. so there's a lot of people who have already been taking it. they shouldn't look at these draft recommendations and think that they necessarily need to change their behavior. >> so this is targeting -- this is really addressed to people who are not yet taking a daily aspirin, baby aspirin, and are considering it? >> that's right. and -- and this is where it gets sort of interesting and i think some of the -- the evolution, again, of what they're finding scientifically with these patients. let me show you, specifically, what they recommend. people over the age of 60. and these are a bit arbitrary cutoffs but over the age of 60, they say you should just not start taking a daily aspirin. the bottom-line thinking there is that when you get to be that age or so, you shouldn't start taking this because the risk of bleeding is greater than tthe -- the benefit that you might get from taking a baby aspirin. in the late '80s, early '90s when they started making these recommendations, there weren't as many options in terms of other things to try and control your risk of heart disease. and most the studies at that point showed the benefit of baby aspirin being greater than the risk. the second part of that graph as you saw, 40 to 59. so as young as 40 to 59, talk to your doctor if you are at high risk of having haeeart disease within the next ten years. so this is -- this is a little different in that, you know, it's previously just people in their 50s who are at high risk who were given this recommendation. now, they are saying there could be benefit in people even a decade younger. >> your team sent me a questionnaire to help determine if i am high risk or not. i didn't have all the -- the data available to -- to take the -- the questionnaire. i assure you that i am. given my -- you know, family history. my dad died at 50 of heart disease. i have been treated for this for a long time. can you walk us through what that usually means and what those people should be aware of? >> yeah. so, you know, this is a -- it's -- it's a risk calculator and i don't know if we have an image of it. but you can -- you can look it up. it's the ascvd atherosclerotic coronary vascular disease risk calculator. just google it, you will find it. and basically, it talks you through how to figure out if you are high risk. and at the end of it, they are basically trying to say, hey, look, what's your risk of developmenting heart disease over the next ten years? if it is greater than 10% -- greater than 10% risk -- those are the people who would be considering starting a baby aspirin even as young as 40. so it's -- it's -- it's a -- it's a bit of a, again, an arbitrary tool. but i think, overall, there is two things that really jump out at me about this. first, is that the -- the benefits of baby aspirin for older people, people 60 and older, is just not there. that's what they basically are saying, unless you have already had a heart attack or a stroke. but even as young as 40, there may be benefit even if you hadn't had it if you have a high risk over the next ten years. >> the u.s. preventative services, which i never heard of, by the way. which doesn't mean anything. i just -- it's new to me. who oversee this guidance. they published it as a draft statement. they asked for public comments. why? what's that about? i mean, does it mean this ant the final word? they are just ruminating? >> this is not the final word. yeah. no. this isn't the final word. i mean, we are seeing more of the -- the process behind a lot of these types of committees over these past couple of years. we see it with the fda advisory committee, cdc advisory committees. the u.s. preventative task force, they also have this -- this committee that basically gets together. it's several scientists -- more than a dozen scientists who specialize in this area. they look at lots of data and then they make recommendations on all sorts of things. you know, mammograms. psa testing. and then things like baby aspirin. so i get where it's confusing, again. but again, for someone like you, anderson, because you have been taking it for a while, obviously, at the recommendation of your doctor, you shouldn't stop it. no one is saying based on these draft recommendations, that the aspirin should be stopped. >> sanjay gupta, appreciate it. thank you. got it. up next, we are going to take you to virginia where former democratic governor terry mcauliffe and republican glenn youngkin are in a tight race for governor. but what may be the most interesting is which voters are deciding the race and why -- why they're voting. it may not be what you think. that's next. michael: this is the story of two brothers. david: my grandfather, pinchas. michael: my great-great- grandfather, rachmaiel. gigi: pinky and rocky. simi: there was an uprising in poland. david: and then the family broke apart. michael: they scattered around in different places. gigi: they worked hard. simi: and built new lives. michael: but rocky and pinky's families didn't see each other again... all: ...until now. david: more than 100 years later, ancestry helped connect us to our ancestors and each other. ♪ this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations. this is the planning effect from fidelity. an baaam. internet that doesn't miss a beat. that's cute, but my internet streams to my ride. adorable, but does yours block malware? 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