what does this mean in the search for a fugitive? we've got a former investigator standing by, but, first, it's the nuts a lot of parents and pediatricians have eagerly awaited. pfizer has officially filed for fda emergency use authorization for its covid-19 vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11. if this gets the green light it would mean 94% of all americans would be iljibl for vaccination against covid, 94%. let's begin with cnn's elizabeth cohen. if authorized this would be the first covid-19 vaccine for younger children. what data does pfizer have and how soon could we get the grown light? >> ana this, could happen quite quickly and the reason we know that is when pfizer applaud for emergency use authorization at the end of last year it was a matter of weeks. let take a look at what that could mean for children. so, before the fda does anything their external advisers, a group of people advisers to the fda, they meet on october 26 to look at all the data. now, for adults when the cdc gave the green light it was just two days after those advisers met, so, in other words, the advisers met and two days later the cdc said yes, we can get the vaccine so it is very possible that by halloween we could have a vaccine for children ages 5 to 11, not for sure but it's certainly looking like it could be possible. let's take a look at the data. pfizer is dorg a clinical trial, more than 22% children and they gave the children the a -- gave the children a dose up-third the size of those for the adults and said the vaccine created a robust antibody response. it's good but not what the fda is really looking for. they want to know the children in the clinical trial when they got a vaccine, were they less likely to contract covid-19 and get sick compared to children in the clinical trial who did not get the vaccine, and we don't know yet, but we do expect to learn that data before the october 26th fda advisers meeting. ana. >> that's just a couple of weeks away so very soon. thank you, elizabeth cohen, for all of that. >> thanks. >> this is a game-changer. former fda commissioner scott gotlieb says he thinks once kids 5 to 11 are eligible for the vaccine plus the merck antiviral pill, once that's authorized, we're looking at a pivotal moment in the fight against covid. take a listen. >> i think those two things will be sort of a bookend on the sort of pandemic phase of this virus and we're going to be entering the more endemic phase, becomes an omnipresent risk but not the extreme risk. >> let's bring in the head of vaccine development at children's hospital. do you agree that this could be the end of the pandemic fades? >> i certainly hope scott gotlieb is right. i would love it, but we have some hard realities especially in this part of the country, ana. only 33% of the 12 to 17-year-olds were given the covid-19 vaccine here in the south. most of the southern states compared to 80% in the northeast, so once again you have this geographic divide where parents are holding back on vaccinated their adolescents, and i have to believe they will probably hold back on vaccinated the younger kids as well so we may be looking at very low up take of this pediatric vaccine in the south and also in the mountain west, and that's going to be a problem that's going to slow us down. you know, the bar to halt transmission of covid-19 it's doable, but it's a high bar. we're talking about 15%, 95% of the entire u.s. population vaccinated. you might say that's impossible. it's no. we do it every year for males and for diphtheria, pertussis and it takes a while to build the ecosystem and that will hold us back. >> so when do you think we'll get there? >> we have to keep trying. i think we're not doing enough to reach across the aisle and a lot of there are coming out of conservative groups out of defiance, and i think we need to work harder at it and keep plug away. the biden administration is doing all it can at the federal level in terms of federal mandates. >> well, they could -- they could do travel vaccine mandates on planes and trains and oh, you know, public transportation, interstate commerce sort of things, right? >> oh, absolutely, but, again, that's only still going to get us part of way there. we have about 75 million americans that we'll need to vaccinate and so much of vaccinations are regular rated at the state level, especially vaccine mandates at the schools, so the hard part -- the heard of the part is going to be working with some of the governors of the red states to convince them around school mandates and to get better buy-in and a greater level of advocacy and going beyond just saying everyone is free to do what they want. that's not going to work for us. >> there are 70 million americans who have yet to get that first shot as you point out, so looking at state of play, this is interesting. right now more people are getting their booster shot per day than people getting a first or second shot according to the cdc. what's your reaction to that? >> well, remember, we've lost now 100,000 americans over the summer from covid-19 overwhelmingly here in the summer despite the availability of safe and effective vaccines. this is not defiance, not from misinformation or it is information, i call this anti-science aggression coming from political extremism on the right and that's a reality. we have to figure out a way, 100,000 merpts have lost their lives due to anti-vaccine aggression. >> covid-19 has taken the parents or grandparents of 140,000 american children according to the cdc so that's as many in 1 in 500 kids in the u.s. put that into perspective for us, and what do you see as the longer-term impact of this? >> yeah, and a lot of that -- both those pre-and post-vaccines, pre-vaccines down here in text yeah, and we've spoken about this before, especially in the hispanic communities in south texas, here in houston. so many, you know, 40, 50, 60-year-old parents lost their lives and orphaned a lessents and young adults and, you know, i testified before the congressional hispanic caucus and said this is historic decimation of an hispanic that will require -- there's also a lot of parents who lost their lives needlessly. this is going to take a lot of time to recover from. the post-traumatic stress will half a generation. thank you, as also. now to a major develop in the battle over the abortion rights. the rare total is temporarily block. this after a federal judge ruled that the six-week abortion ban unconstitutionally takes women's control over their own lives away from them. the texas attorney general's office has vowed to appeal. the ban which prohibits owe bargsz after a fetal heartbeat is found with no exceptions for rape oirp set took effect last month after the supreme court declined a request to block it. a danning new report detailing how far former president trump went in his attempt to overthrow democracy, so how a so-called suicide pact stopped trump from going all the way. developing now, the father blaundy with police where his son reportedly went roiking. and disaster acourted. what we're learning now about the glue -- and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? 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>> ana, every time you hear new details and you read the transcripts of what went on in those week -- week and a half at turn of the year, you are just -- you just find it astounding to see what was happening as top justice department officials were under tremendous pressure from the former president, from mark meadows, his then chief of staff to try to get the justice department to intervene and to try to get the justice department involved in some of the bogus fraud claims they were making to try to overturn election. a number of things that stood out in the report. there were at least nine times that the president himself reached out to jeffrey rosen who was then the acting attorney general, to richard donahue who was his deputy, the acting deputy attorney general to try to get them to do something, to try to say that the doj was finding some irregularities which, of course, there were none. trump was also pushing to get jeffrey clark, another official down at the justice department who he thought would be willing to do this, to have him become the acting attorney general and then it became so much that during a key meeting in september, pat cipollone and other lawyers told the president they would resign with a number of other justice department officials and essentially if he had put jeffrey clark in this group would be a suicide pact. strong words and it gives you a sense of what was happening. republicans said after this rap that in the end he listened to his advisers, yes, he listened to them but the extraordinary pressure they were under is because of the them standing up to him. and this report was done by the senate january committee and there's still a problem with the select committee in the house. what is the stat tus today for anyone. we're in a holding pattern. the time looinch here is impo important. the committee wanted a week to assess the documents that were supplied to them and then start these depositions. the idea, of course, is that you want to ask informed questions before you start bringing in these key players because they know they might not get very many opportunities to actually interview them so the fact that we don't yet know what information has been supplied or if any information has been supplied makes it more apparent that perhaps if the house select committee can't get what it wants the timeline becomes stickier. right now we're in a holding pattern for thee four people but other people believe in the solidity of the subpoena basically saying they plan to comply. other people, specifically members of the rally organization, the real organizers rather who were a part of that stop the steal rally movement on both january 5th and january 6. we know at least some of those people on that list plan to comply so there will be information provided. it just depends on who and what questions they are able to s. at this point we're in the very beginning of that investigatory process. >> thank you both for your reporting. joining us to further discuss is known political analyst gloria borger and elliott williams, a former federal prosecutor and legal analyst. i want to start with you on the explosive new senate judiciary committee reporting that's giving us new insight into what was happening behind the scenes in the white house and, you know, the top echelon of the justice department just before the insurrection and this report is damning. what is your top takeaway? >> look, it's stunning and astounding and not jet surprise. what we have is a meeting inside the oval office where the president of the united states was effectively trying to orchestrate a coup and you had people standing up to him, pat cipollone, white house counsel, saying don't do that, so the president had the match. he was going to light the fire and in the end they talked him out of it, but you have to take a step back and say wait a minute, what's the context of all of this, and the context is that the president of the united states had been repeatedly dozens of times been calling state and local officials trying to exert the same kind of pressure on them to reopen voting saying that there was fraud, et cetera, et cetera, and he had been rebuffed. he had been rebuffed in arizona, in georgia, in michigan and on and on so this was just kind of an extension of that, and what he was saying was, okay, if you guys won't do it, i'm going to fire the guy who is the acting head of the department of justice, and i'm going to put in my guy who will do whatever i want, and that was when pat cipollone, the white house counsel stepped in, said you can not do this or we'll all walk out the door and that will really create a firestorm. >> elliott, the senate judiciary committee has issued some preliminary recommendations based on the repeat and they described jeffrey clarke, the doj official who was will to go along with the election lies. where do you see this going? >> to piggyback on this point we're not or shouldn't be surprised by anything we're leverage. obviously this is putting more meat on the bones of a story that we've known for the last six or eight months. the senate judiciary committee is making clear recommendations as to how to avoid getting to this kind of cries at some point in the future and that's number one clarifying the ways in which the president, the white house can mun kate with the justice department addings that kind of communication at state level because the guidelines don't currently have that so number one clarifying what constitutes a threat to officials and also here the jt modifying its own policy of not interfering in standing elections so that's very important. you know, i think we grouse a lot in washington about why did this happen? what stops it from happening george bush, and i think it's very important that congress, the body that oversees this make clear recommendations. you know, notably they have not made any criminal referrals here and practically i think they should not, it's early and they should wait until the end of their investigation if possible. >> that's a recommendation when it comes to accountability, that's an important piece of all of this and yet, gloria, republicans are still sticking by former president trump. they issued a counter report in fact saying trump did nothing wrong because he ultimately backed away from that plan to replace rosen the then acting attorney general. what do you think of that argument? >> i think it's absurd that they can't even say that the president didn't do anything wrong. i mean chuck grassley notably said he didn't do anything wrong because it didn't happen so he didn't follow through on what he wanted to do so if you want to rob a bank and you go in and you decide, you walk in the front door and you have your gun in your pocket and you tell people to get on the floor but then you decide maybe you don't want to robert bank and you leave, is that okay? you didn't do anything wrong. you didn't rob the bank. >> but he did take -- he took action that resulted in an insurrection. >> i'm not the lawyer here. elliott is a lawyer rlt it's difficult to figure out legally what you can do with this and it raises all kinds of questions as elliott was saying, but it's crystal clear what the president's intentions were here, and, you know, what's shocking to me is that republicans just don't come out and say this is wrong. he should not have been doing this. he should not have been trying to interfere in an election as he was clearly doing and we need to figure out a way to make sure that this doesn't happen again. >> elliott separately but related, over 2,000 pages of court documents reveal trump allies rudy giuliani and sydney powell testified under oat that they did little to check out some of the uncorroborated claims that they made about 2020 election fraud before they went on to amplify them on the national stage. they are lawyers. what's your reaction to that? >> yeah. that goes right to potentially defamation suit against them is the main thing is you're suing someone for making a false statement follow damaging you. it's now clear that they have making false statements. they have established on the record now that we knew and didn't investigate these claims, number one. number two, yes, it's one thing for a politician to lie and misrepresent facts. it's another thing for a lawyer to do it. look, i love a good lawyer joke as much as everybody else but at the end of the day when lawyers are being dishonest as mayor giuliani has clearly said that he is, it hurts the entire process and the entire profession and the entire legal system and it's disgraceful conduct that will likely bring some kind of sanctions from the bar be it new york or anywhere else. >> elliott williams on gloria borger, thank you both for the conversation. >> another major developing story right now. brian laundrie's father is with police or his son apparently went hunting. we'll have a live report from florida next. customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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>> reporter: early this morning brian laundrie's father chris left his home right here and we saw him going into a park that backs up into the carlton reserve. that reserve where teams have been searching for weeks and where yesterday when we obtained a police report for an abandoned veeck we learned that the family's mustang was reported as an abandoned vehicle there on september 14th. now, according to the attorney for laundrie's parents they said that about three weeks ago they gave authorities information about where brian likes to go in that area but that they felt that being on site now for assistance would be better and so, accord willing to the laundrie's attorney. that's what chris laundry is doing there right noufrmt we saw his truck go in and we haven't seen sim come back out. that's where the focus has been for the search. we've been here for almost three weeks, and in the last for you days we've really seen things pick up over at the carlton reserve seeing additional resources being requested by teams out there and again now seeing brian laundrie's father joining that effort to try to answer that question of where is brian laundrie, the attorney for the laundrie family saying they believe he's sunil there. i want to against cnn law enforcement analyst anthony barksdale in here. anthony, police asking laund roy's father to help them in the reserve. is that unusual or is this routine? >> i would call it very unusual. the only thing is you've got a lot of ground there to cover. maybe the father has some type of mileage where brian preferred to go in that area, i don't know, but with all of that manpower needing to bring in the father issed to me, and i real wonder what they are trying to do with this. >> and there was this campsite discovered that we learned about in the last 24 hours. this is a sprawling 24-000 plus suker. what does that mean going forward? >> it's significant. you have to know if that's part of the crime scene or not, the site of the homicide or some type of other activity. that's a positive so the police don't have to do -- still has toss do their work and the fbi still has to do their work with this found campsite but until we have brian laundrie, we really don't have much. >> yeah. >> but how -- how do they go about determination whether laundry was at that campsite and how quickly could they make that determination? >> well, you could -- you could look at forensics. could you look for evidence, maybe some personal effects may be there. maybe something there belonged to gabby, i don't know. but that is something that they must throat as a possible crime scene so it has to be protected. it the has to be gone through by forensic specialists, you know, csi, and look for anything that could be an indicator that could link it back to mr. laundrie. >> speaking of his parents' role in all of this, their timeline, their story has changed in the last couple of days, including the last time they say they saw their son. they originally said it was september 14th, but it turns out on the 14th they were already sichgs for their son in that nature reserve-year and police had found an abandoned vehicle that belonged to the family, and then on the 15th we've learned that the parent even went back and got the vehicle. this is according to their family attorney. as an investigator, anthony, what does that behavior tell you? 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you hiring? >> the only thing i can say is, move somewhere else. >> suddenly, after a lifetime of well-paying jobs where they could afford a house, two cars, a recreational vehicle, a summer cottage, suddenly it was wiped out. >> the only answer is charity. >> people became destitute. the frustration turned into anger. people want to know, why is this happening to me? who can i blame? in the beginning, the workers blamed the companies. factories blamed the workers. the politicians blamed each other. and in the end, they kind of all reached a consensus, let's blame japan. >> joining us now is the host of "this is life," lisa ling. lisa, good to see you, and this premier episode, you look at this terrible hate crime that ends up happening, the murder of vincent chen, a chinese-american man in detroit. tell us more about that and why it's so important. >> well, ana, we're looking at this event in history because we're doing something a little different this season. we are grounding all of our episodes in something that happened in america's past that we didn't learn about in our history books because in so many ways, it has impacted where we are today. and in the case of vincent chen, who was a young chinese-american man who was living in detroit in 1982, he was out at a bar celebrating his bachelor party, and two out-of-work auto workers sta st started taunting him. an altercation ensued. they were kicked out and they waited for vincent outside of the bar. when vincent went out, the two men chased him down and beat him to death with a baseball bat and those two men never served a day in jail or prison. they were fined $3,000 and had to serve some months of probation. but you look at what's happening today, ana, and in the last year and a half, since covid got rooted here in america, asians, asian-americans have been scapegoated and blamed for bringing the virus to america and all over the world, and in so many ways, it has just continued this pattern of scapegoating that really dates back over 100 years, and it's important to recognize these stories from the past, these stories that didn't make our history books, because if we're ever going to move forward, we have to recognize where we've been in order to be able to move forward and do something different. >> and why focus on vincent chen specifically? that's not a name that most of us have heard. perhaps some of us. but why do you think that his case hasn't had, i guess, more publicity or that it isn't something we talk about more commonly? >> well, it was a case that really galvanized the asian-american community and it became the first civil rights case involving an asian-american in american history, and again, you know, vincent chin's case is an example of this continuous scapegoating that asian-americans have endured in this country, and all of the episodes this season, you know, they're very different. we cover an episode -- or we have an episode about a time in american history when gay people, during the 1950s, were considered a threat to our national security. we also have an episode about the chicago race riots of 1919. we're talking about something that happened a century ago, but you can draw a line from that race riot and the segregated housing that ensued to what's happening in the streets of chicago today. >> what shocked you most about what you have discovered? >> i think the thing that has shocked me is just the parallels to what is happening today and look, ana, i mean, it's confounding to me that one of the biggest debates happening in government, in local legislatures, in school boards, in families, is around the teaching of history. and i think it's so important to teach a multifaceted or adopt a multifaceted approach to history because this is when young people learn empathy and by understanding the contributions but also things that other communities have endured, this is how we build tolerance and become more empathetic to our fellow americans. >> i'm so, so looking forward to seeing your reporting, lisa, you always do such a wonderful job, and bringing to light a lot of what isn't always discussed or at least isn't top of mind and is important for us to understand. really appreciate it. good luck with the season. i hope it's a huge success, and be sure to tune in to an all-new season of "this is life" with lisa ling, premiers sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. that does it for me. thank you for being with us. until next time, follow me on twitter, @anacabrera. the news continues right after this. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? 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