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giving way or is more pain around the corner? in wyoming, the battle for the soul of the republican party. prior president george bush starts a campaign fundraiser for liz cheney. just today president biden is meeting with the house speaker, the top democrat in the senate, the point person for house progressives and a leader of a centrist group. that is only a partial list. at issue? well, just about everything. the size of a giant democratic spending plan. how that money is split up among a long list of democratic policy goals. how to keep our promise to centrists to vote for a separate br bridge plan on monday and how to do that when they insist that both plans need to succeed at the same time. joe biden has his own version of the new deal, in midterm election year having failed to deliver on campaign promises. let's start with phil mattingly. phil, lbj, fdr, joe biden on the block today. >> a pretty chilling day at the white house given what's at stake. i think what's interesting when you talk to democrats on capitol hill is the recognition of just howie norm enormous this momentw much president biden ran on when he campaigned on his domestic agenda. everything they could they could deliver on is now hanging in the balance. that's why you're seeing the president get personally involved. this today is by far the most intensive personal effort since he's been in office. yes, he's had one-off meetings, yes, he's been on the phone with lawmakers. never have we seen anything like this. at 2:00 p.m. meeting with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. at 3:00 p.m. he'll meet with house democrats to represent the more moderate side of the democrats. it's dual parts here, deconfliction to some degree. the war that has broken out and spilled very much into the public between the two sides of the democratic party has become significantly problematic on the political side of things, not to mention the policy details that still need to be hammered out. it's on that latter point where you hear officials the need to elevate the discussion right now. yes, tax policy is extraordinarily important. yes, red lines on climate, particularly given this is probably the last major piece of legislature moving, is ex exceedingly important. but the president's message and why he's advocating at this point in time is how he's underscoring that. while democrats may not like everything in the dual pronged packages has everything democrats have been looking for not just for a couple months or a couple years but for decades when you look at that $3 trillion climate and infrastructure package. if you look at the pile-up right now. if you've got by september 27 house democrats are supposed to vote on that senate-passed infrastructure bill. the government runs out of money in october. the government will shut down if there is not a debt ceiling. i'll just make one final point. the white house makes it clear that the president, a 35th year veteran of the senate, makes a move to how they operate and what they respond to. today is that ultimate test of the president to deliver on something he very much believes he still can despite what we've seen these last couple weeks, john. >> that's the point right there, the ultimate test. phil mattingly, a busy day at the white house. bringing into the studio, cnn's dana bash, josh jamison of the "wall street journal" and kim of the "washington post." yes, 35 years in the senate, eight years as vice president. this is an entire test in the balance. put it this way, dana. i hope he is the secret sauce. i think the whole party hopes he is the secret sauce. everything is at stake here. >> one of the big challenges, among many, for joe biden was described to me by somebody who is an ally of his, who is kind of helping with what looks like shuttle diplomacy inside the white house from his own party, which is really fascinating to hear phil describe it. the challenge is this. when you talk to the progressives, they are convinced that this is just a matter of getting the president to get joe manchin and his fellow moderates to back down. when you talk to joe manchin and his fellow moderates, it's just the question of getting the progressives to back down. each camp within the democratic party fundamentally believes that is going to happen. so what the end of the day has to produce after all of these meetings for the president is trying to find -- stenny hoyer calls it the sweet sauce -- what can you give up, how do we get there and put meat on these bones? >> at the top i read a partial list. look who is coming to see the president. the speaker, key democratic leader, key moderates, key progressives, key senators. this is a casserole of the democratic party, if you will, and i say that with no disrespect. but the challenge to the president to dana's point, if the moderates think the progressives have to give, the progressives think the moderates have to give. i think that means everybody has to give, and the president needs to find that moment to get everybody just right. >> what is the democratic party willing to stomach when it comes to their priorities and how far to go. i kind the got a whiff of the democratic party where there wasn't that much to do but they had to figure out how far to go for that party. that's what we're seeing play out right now. >> to get to this point just yesterday in a closed door meeting, my understanding is the speaker asked democrats, look, this is a very big moment, please turn the volume down, please stop sniping personally at each other. no names here, but pramila jayapal heads the progressives, and as dana notes, she says we're not the problem. >> anyone that doesn't want to vote for the build back better plan is, frankly, halting the promises that we made to voters when they elected us. other people are willing to crack the entire agenda by refusing to come together on the reckon sionciliation bill. >> crash the entire -- you get it given these people were elected on a bold agenda. they don't understand, my district is different, or my state is different. i can't win again if i do that. >> the problem is it takes only three democrats in the house and one democrat in the senate to derail any of this, and there is a huge trust deficit, as everyone has said, so i think everyone is hoping that biden is the one who can bridge this deficit and say, here's what they're going to do, here's what you guys are going to do, let's jump off this bridge and do it together. leadership pelosi and chuck schumer to their credit have tried everything i think they can try and nothing has worked, so this is kind of their last hope before things might potentially fall apart. >> there are giant policy s decisions to make. first you decide how much to spend. how much goes to pre-k? how much goes to child care? how much goes to college? this is josh gottenheimer. he's one of the moderates. they promised they would vote on that by monday. the progressives say, no, no, we'll vote for that but only when we see the other piece. chuck gottenheimer says a deal is a deal. >> it makes no sense. these are two separate bills. they stand on their own. it makes no sense to vote against an infrastructure bill that has 2 million jobs a year. there is no reason to not vote on that. >> again, i just said to the progressive point, the moderates say, you don't understand us, and the progressives back to the moderates say, you don't understand us. we campaign on big and bold, we understand and we're not going to get hood-winked. >> what happens with monday on the key vote to biden's infrastructure bill in the house, because as you said, the democratic leaders have made it so the sequencing doesn't matter here, how do these packages pack together? we all know the reconciliation package, that's not going to pass on monday, so what happens to that vote that speaker pelosi promised the moderates. if you look at comments yesterday on the hill from congressman gottenheimer or congressman paul, nobody is backing down right now. we'll see what happens when it comes to monday. i want to elaborate on one point that heather made. this all stems from the fact especially what's happening this monday. it stems from the fact that moderates and progressives in the government caucus do not fundamentally trust each other. we know some don't trust each other, some may not trust the biden white house. but there is this level of distrust within the democratic caucus that's fascinating and it really is affecting the future of their legislative agenda. >> that's the giant challenge for the president is to convince everybody you better respect and trust each other because we have to do this as a family. the democrats are making the argument they cannot even count now, the republicans are starting to see even the biden infrastructure plan that passed in the senate, if they see a problem in the house, they'll say maybe we'll back off and not support that. the country has to raise its debt limit. it happens all the time. yes, there are people in the democrats who are present. republicans are now saying, sorry, democrats, you're on your own. manu raju raised that point with elizabeth warren earlier today. >> reporter: if they're going to vote against it, don't you guys have the obligation to raise it? >> are we threatening to blow up a part of the economic system because they want to do that for politics? this is not where we should be as a nation. none of us were elected to come here just to cause trouble so that the republicans can get re-elected. >> you don't have to agree with elizabeth warren's politics. that's basically a factual statement in the sense that republicans on the infrastructure plan of the house say we're for it, but if we can tank biden right now, maybe we'll vote against it. on the debt ceiling, mitch mcconnell said for years it's the responsibility of the united states government to be able to pay its dents, if you don't pay the debts, you could blow up the financial system. now she said, democrats, you're on your own. she has a valid point. >> she absolutely has a valid point. and the fact that republicans are looking across the aisle and they're seeing what we talked about happening with the democrats. they are fighting over how much to spend and what on, not weather to spend. and the republicans have suddenly found religion on spending, which was their issue back in 2010 and then they definitely lost their way when trump was president, and they're trying to get back there. it's a little rich considering even this particular session they have voted for more spending that wasn't paid for. including the leader. >> and the debt ceiling makes it even richer because that's not necessarily new spending, that's paying bills you already owe. we will continue the very complicated conversation. up next with the covid crisis. here at home, one state stands out when you look at a map of current transition rates. and president biden promises more help in the global vaccination rates. ody's a skept. wrigight brothers? 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does the united states have the right balance, in your view, of this new commitment? >> i think we're closer to the right balance. of course, i want to see other countries step up as well, but let's be clear, john, we are not going to stop this pandemic until we vaccinate the entire world. and we in the united states have a major role to play in this. the biden administration stepping up here is much needed. but i'm also going to comment that their promise is different from the delivery, right? we've only given out about 160 million doses so far. we have to not just say we're going to give a billion doses but also work with countries with local departments of health to actually get those shots in arms. that's how we come out of this. >> we'll have to watch that part, the logistics and actual delivery part of it. help me understand where we are at the moment. if you look at the case count right now, a week ago we were at 172,000 new infections every day, we're now at 135,000 new infections every day. that is a perilously high number in any event, but we are starting to come down a little bit. on one hand you could make the case the case count has plateaued or started to dip a little bit. on the other hand, you could go back to last september and see we were much lower and we went into the horrific winter. where are we now with vaccines more available, still some vaccine hesitancy, but when you see a baseline of cases are coming down in a week from 175 to 135, are you convinced we're on a steady decline now, or are we still in an uncertain period? >> we're starting to see that peak come down largely because there are states that were the early surges of delta, places like florida and mississippi, have peaked. that does not mean they're not going to have more infections over the fall and winter -- again, look back to last year -- and there are still folks unvaccinated in those states. those states have peaked. at the same time we're seeing a dramatic increase in case counts in other states, for example, west virginia. i'm not at all convinced the delta surge has peaked in the u.s. the last cases in the north and northeast, we're heading to colder weather, people are going back indoors. however, we have less cases so less leaikely to have a case sue like we've seen. i expect it tomcome back in the weeks and months to come. >> the deaths are a lagging indicator in the case. we learned in the last 15, 16 months when cases drop and hospitalizations drop, sometimes it takes a couple weeks for the death rates to drop. 2,000 of our fellow americans died yesterday. back in march it was around 2,000 as well. relatively stagnant. here you saw the dip in between. the deaths are four times higher in the states that are least vaccinated. the states with the lowest vaccination rates have four times the death rate than states that have the highest vaccination rate. the data tells you something pretty compelling there, doesn't it? >> it sure does. it shows once again the efficacy of these vaccines, how important it is to get vaccinated not just for yourself but for your community around you. listen, almost every one of these deaths is preventable. not every single one, almost every single one. we are going to have to live with a small number of deaths from covid-19 going forward. this virus is not going to disappear, there are some people who are vulnerable. for the vast majority of us, if you get your vaccines, you are not going to die. what happens is as this disease spreads, right, it spreads throughout the entire community. it's more likely to catch those more vulnerable people when there's high numbers of unvaccinated there. it just breaks my heart to see us back at these numbers. >> dr. ranney, one more point i want to show you on the map here. this is the cdc map of u.s. transmission. you see a lot of red. you see orange in puerto rico and you see orange in california. orange means you have a substantial community transmission. that's not great, you would rather be moderate or low, but in california, gavin newsom just ran a campaign to say, i'm right, the other states are wrong. is he right, or do you say it's one week, let's look at the data moving forward? >> as a physician and public health official, i never look at just one week of data. but i do think california, like other states around the country, vermont, maine, there are a few others, have combined relatively high vaccination rates where there is a lot of density with the continued following of the other public measures that we know stop the transmission of this virus. so it's vaccines plus masks, ventilation, distancing, rapid testing. and, honestly, california has walked the walk in terms of the full suite of public health measures in addition to vaccination. they should be proud of where they are right now. i hope it sticks. >> hope it sticks is a good thing. and hope more of the map, democrat, republican, wherever you're governor, i hope the map goes from orange to yellow to blue in the days ahead. up next for us, george w. bush ups the ante. first a 9/11 speech taking clear aim at donald trump. now, a bush fundraiser to help the number one target, republican congresswoman liz cheney. with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? 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we know that's something republican strategists are already concerned about. >> we can show you on the screen the at the present republicans who voted to impeach. we know the one of ohio is not going to run. ken zinger has said he will probably not run. this is liz cheney's opponent making it clear that she is the issue. trump is the leader of the party. >> liz cheney has betrayed wyoming. she betrayed all of us and she betrayed me. she wants to spend her time fighting with president trump rather than fighting with biden and pelosi and what we see are the radicals in washington. >> there are debates all the time. this is donald trump's party. there is debate all the time whether that is waning or growing. this is one of the races they'll watch very closely because the bush name is iconic, but so is the cheney name. >> let's put this in a little perspective. cheney is a special case in the sense that she has that built-in network, the bush-cheney network behind her. she was able to carve out a path in the house with the vice chair in the committee giving her a very prominent platform. those who may be uncomfortable with trump feel like they are pariahs. anthony gonzalez said, i'm out. i can't do this. while cheney's race is important, she's different from other republicans who want a different path but don't see it for themselves. >> that's a great point to see if others step up to not only help liz cheney, but do they make an effort to help some of the others. if you want to take on trump, that would be a bolder way to do it. up next, new court documents show the trump campaign knew soon after election day that its claims about the fraudulent voting system was bogus. but they kept pinning them, anyway. 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you will still find trump supporters peddling this fiction as fact. >> uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through venezuela, cuba and likely china in the interference with our elections. >> they are owned by venezuela close to chavez. there is no one here who engages in fantasies. >> wrong. that guy was engaging in fantasies. trump and giuliani were lying two weeks after the trump vote. they knew they were lying and did nothing to correct it. let's put up on the screen. i got this memo out of court documents. it's a trump campaign memo that says there is no interference in voting machines, there is no dreblgt ties between dominion and venezuela, no evidence dominion's leadership is tied to antifa or anyone else. something rudy giuliani kept repeating over and over and over again. they knew it wasn't true but they kept saying it, which makes it even worse than reprehensible. >> you can kind of remember the warnings that were coming up. what they were taking advantage of was pandemic election year, there was an unprecedented amount of voting. people saw one thing when they went to bed and another thing when they woke up and they took advantage of that dynamic playing out. what happened is, like you said, to this day there are trump supporters, voters who believe that he won the election. and it's just a part of our american history now, that there will be people who believe that forever. >> it's a cancer on democracy and faith in institutions. not just elections. this peddles over into faith and institutions because they continue to say we're the liars. they're not the liars, we're the liars. the depth of the big lie, this "new york times" getting into court documents. the trump administration knew the points were baseless. go outside your responsibilities when you're certifying the college. this is the georgia secretary of state. he says trump knows, he's just crying for help. >> there is more misinformation, disinformation. it's been ten months now. i look at his letters as a plea for attention. he knows he's lost. >> does he know he's lost, and even if he does, okay. but trump is doing this for a reason, to josh's point, to keep the big lie out there, to keep his supporters whetted to this fictional approach to the day he decides, i'm back, let's fix it. >> right, and you kind of see that if he does decide to run again in 2024, and that's a big if at this point, that his platform will be based largely on this big lie, that absolute baseless false claim that he did not win this election that still gets a significant part of the republican base going. and going back to kind of to our earlier point that when you see the difference between what his people were saying publicly and what they were saying privately, we saw this unfolding in realtime. they were saying certain things to us, you know, through press tor conferences, through the media, and saying different things in court documents where it is an actual crime to lie in court documents. so they know this is false but this is going to continue as long as president trump keeps his name out there and also republican leaders kind of don't do anything about it, don't condemn him. >> they'll stand up to it every time it happens and say, we will have no part in that. instead they say, let's raise money with donald trump, let's go forward. in the new book, they get it. there were some republicans saying, mr. president, stop. what about your legacy? think about the future, think about how history will record you if you keep telling this lie. this quote from the book. my legacy doesn't matter. if i lose, that will be my legacy. my people expect me to fight, and if i don't, i will lose them. it does get at a key point about trump. he views loser as about the worst label you can put on someone. >> absolutely. and i think part of motivating his base and those voters is always being in a defensive crouch. that's why they keep furthering this. you see republicans on the hill, some of his allies continue to try to legitimize these claims despite these court documents and other republican leaders just not saying anything, which to seung min's point, as long as they do this, it will keep going. it's a concern in 2022 and 2024 with the house and senate so close. >> the tail is wagging the dog. >> to the point of this quote, if i lose, that will be my legacy. he lost. when we come back, president biden picks up the phone and tries to repair a rift in relationships with france. that's up next. it's another day. and anything could happen. it could be the day you welcome 1,200 guests and all their devices. or it could be the day there's a cyberthreat. get ready for it all with an advanced network and managed services from comcast business. and get cybersecurity solutions that let you see everything on your network. plus an expert team looking ahead 24/7 to help prevent threats. every day in business is a big day. we'll keep you ready for what's next. comcast business powering possibilities. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ it's a new dawn... ♪ if you've been taking copd sitting down, it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. it also helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. take a stand and start a new day with trelegy. ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy. and save at trelegy.com. this is renae. never heard of her? 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