her. the coroner ruled out natural causes or suicide and ruled the death a homicide. first my sympathies to the petito family. i know they have had ten days of desperation since reporting their 22-year-old missing. and now there are two big questions that must be answered. how did gabby die? and what does that and all the other circumstantial evidence tell us about who killed her? tonight we have all the best clues the fbi is working with as well as the biggest unknown. where is gabby's fiance, brian laundrie? the fbi now asking for the public to help, and still no help from his family. but first we've got to talk politics. we are in a real political pressure point. do you realize how precarious a position the president is in not with the big lie, not with people who wanted to steal the election, not with people trying to convince people that it's freedom to not take the vaccine, his own party. tonight's vote on moving the debt ceiling, that's just a stray shot. the real risk -- the real risk is that the democrats may hand power back to the trumpers. how? these internal divisions are real and really threatening biden's agenda. it may not get done. pelosi pushing the 27th as a drop dead date for a spending bill that has no agreement only makes things worse. the house is voting on legislation that could help avert a government shutdown, right? the division, though, within the party is the problem. and it's real. the center left, the moderate democrats, are increasingly at odds with what the progressives want, which is what president biden -- that's his starting point. so, he's with the farther left on his spending bill. it's very aggressive. the center left, where he used to be, and the moderates, they really don't want it. and they're starting to almost sound like they're from different parties. here's the problem. if the senate, the democrats there, if they won't give on the reconciliation price tag in a way that appeases the far left/the president and the response from them from the fringe is to stall the infrastructure bill that's been agreed on in the senate, president joseph biden could literally go 0 for 2. you stave off the big lie, you stave off an insurrection, you beat the most poisonous president in a generation only to have your own party leave you vulnerable? are you serious? we have a master democrat clinton strategist with us to handicap the outcomes here. and we have a real player on the democrat side to see how deep the trouble is. that's jamie raskin. now, he's also on the january 6th committee. and they got some more evidence to work with today. and this also feeds in to the outlined problem above of what biden is facing because there is now more proof that biden can't afford to have his own party enfighting when they have a real enemy on the other side. how real? enough to try to take down the democracy. bold statement backed by proof. tonight we have proof that people still in power on the right pushing the new big lie, which is about you got freedom, you don't have to take the vaccine just because it's good for you. they really did have a plan to steal the election with trump's big lie about fraud. you remember this? >> what we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through venezuela, cuba and likely china in the interference with our elections here in the united states at the direction of hugo chavez. >> you will you had to do is go on line and find out that smartmatic is owned by venezuela. it's close to chavez. there's nobody here that engages in fantasies. >> the bs literally dripping down mr. giuliani's face. it turns out this was not just these two freelancing fraudulently. this was part of a plan. we're now learning by the time of that news conference on november 19, the trump campaign had already prepared an internal memo on those baseless claims about voting machines. and they wanted to get energy from the rank and file to support this. this comes according to court documents obtained by "the new york times." we also learned that staffers determined that what was being cooked up had zero merit. so, what does that tell us? team trump knew team trump was full of it and still went full steam ahead to overthrow our democracy and got buy-in from many of the people who are still in positions of leadership -- in fact almost all of them -- right now. now, powell's defense -- sidney powell, who you saw there -- it makes more sense now that you know that. the defense was, no reasonable person could believe what she says. now, that makes sense because she and her lawyers know that trump's own staffers thought it was ridiculous, so why wouldn't everybody else? giuliani and powell have both been sued by dominion and smartmatic for defamation. let's see if this tried and true trumper type defense saves them. i call it that not to be pejorative but to point out a pattern. with big mouths on the right shouting that everything they don't like is fake only to then beg courts to see that they were clearly faked themselves so if they get sued, they can't be trying to defame anybody. you're not supposed to take them seriously. powell did it. alex jones. remember? he said he was only acting when he was held to account for his behavior in court. fox's tucker carlson. what did his lawyers argue? oh, no, no, no. he can't be slandering you. he's not to be seen as credible. that's their basic argument. now, of course their audiences and people on the right, they don't get this. but the reasonable do. and that's what joe biden should be worried about, not his own party. so, we have questions. first, these lies and the depth of them that keep coming out from the right of what they wanted to do to the democracy. will there be accountability? and the other big question is, are democrats go to make their own luck or their own downfall? we have a guest to answer both of those questions. chairman of the january 6th committee, former impeachment manager of trump impeachment number two, democrat congressman jamie raskin. >> it's great to be here, chris. i'm not the chairman of the committee. that's bennie thompson. but i'm a proud member of it. >> wait, you're not bennie thompson. you're right. i hope you had an easy fast and i hope the family is well. and tell bennie i said sorry. i'll have to tell him myself. >> no problem. >> thank you for that as well. the stakes are this. on the accountability side, what do you think the chance is that the outcome of your efforts and the committee's efforts will be anything more than what we've seen in the past when it comes to try to hold trump and his people to account? >> well, let's see. let's start with the trials. i mean, in the second impeachment trial, we had concurrent robust bipartisan majorities in the house and senate declaring as a fact that trump incited a violent insurrection against the union. it's true he beat the constitutional spread of two-thirds, so he wasn't convicted. but you had an overwhelming majority of both the house and senate declaring that he did it. so, we established that. but that's just about one guy. what we're working on now in the select committee is trying to determine what was the pattern of relationships among the trump entourage and all of his political june e kis with the oath keepers and the violent groups surrounding the political coup. and we usually think of something as coups taking place against the president. this was a coup orchestrated by the president against the vice president, which is why they were chanting, hang mike pence, and trying to get him to reject electoral college votes, exercising the power he obviously doesn't have. >> so, because you have more players and permutations, you have more possibilities in terms of accountability. fine. is it true that subpoenas may start going out next week? >> the chairman has said that subpoenas are going to be going out very soon, and i think that's probably not unrealistic to expect it. but understand that we have tons of people coming forward. we've got a great tip line. most americans understand it's not only a civic duty to testify about people who participated in a criminal attack on the congress, but it's an honor and a privilege to do so. and we also have tons of information from the social media and what people were posting on facebook, on twitter and so on. so, there might be some politicians out there who think that they're really clever and they're going to be able to destroy the evidence. they should think again because we have lots of what we need to begin to put this story together about what really took place on january 6th. >> look, there's more and more proof coming out. even just these memos that have been revealed show what we used to call in the law sigh enter. there was malice aforethought in term of planning things they knew were fraudulent and trying to get them done. now we shift to the other side of the ball, which is the straight politics of the situation. what i'm outlining about what i see going on in the party, how worried are you that the president may not get an infrastructure bill and may not get a spending bill because your party cannot come together? >> well, i haven't been spending all my time on it, but i've got to tell you i am not worried about the final analysis. i think in the final analysis, everyone is going to come around and get behind president joe biden who represents the progressive main stream not just of the democratic party but of america. and he is really the perfect president for this moment. and so, you know, the progressives are saying rightfully so we don't want half of the biden program. we want the full biden program. and yet, you know, president biden i think understands that there may have to be trims taken in here or there in terms of the program. hey, i mean, that's in the nature of products. that's in the nay yoture of lif. >> 50% haircut on the senate side, jamie. it's not a trim. >> right. and, you know, the point we want to make is that the original number that we started with was a number which was already a compromise. and we needed to invest in the working families of america to invest in daycare for working families, to make that child tax credit permanent. we've just got to remind people the substance of what's going on here. this is a once in a generation opportunity to make the extraordinary investments in the american people that we need that we've been waiting for. so, look, i think joe biden is a master politician and i think in the final analysis he's going to be able to bring everybody together. and the bottom line is that our constituents want us to find that moral center of gravity and move things forward. so, all of us have an obligation to remember just what you were pointing out, which is that democracies in the balance here. we can't fool around with these people. they tried to overthrow the election in 2020. they tried to reinstall donald trump as president. that's what we have to keep our eyes on. and whether we end up with 3.5 trillion or 3.25 trillion or whatever, we're going to be able to rally around the president's leadership and our speaker's leadership on the. >> you think there's a chance, just quickly, that pelosi moves the date from the 27th? >> again, i think all of the relevant actors would have to be in on that. you know, she obviously had spoken to a bunch of members who were looking for that date. at the same time, anything can be done by unanimous consent. but it like that. a lot of o-congress operates on that principle. if you get everybody together, the bottom line is we want both of these pieces of legislation, both halves of the biden program to be enacted here. and i think that's where the vast majority of the democratic caucus is. in fact i haven't spoken to a single member who doesn't want both bills to pass. >> congressman jamie raskin, thank you very much, member of the january 6th committee. appreciate your inmutt tonight. >> thanks so much for having me. >> look, jamie raskin is an optimist, rightly so for his party's sake, he's hoping he's right. if democrats don't start getting on the same page, that agenda could be in real trouble. and if they don't have the deliverables, what happens in the midterm? the house majority leader steny hoyer said tonight he hopes biden has the secret sauce to bring all vaccines of the party together. does a veteran democratic strategist see that happening? 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i know that's a mixed metaphor, but go with it. >> right. ben franklin said the secret sauce, we shouldn't hang together. if we don't, we hang separately. i think every democrat, every american needs to know what's at stake at this meeting tomorrow. and ken burns who allegedly knows something about american history says we're 1941, 1861 territory right here now. so, i think the president has got to do this and i think the democratic party expects democratic members of congress to forge ahead and vote on something together, vote for it first, vote for it second and show the american people you can do something. if you don't, you're going to end up with 240 house republicans and 55 senate republicans. so, you know, the country's at an inflection point here and people have got to have some patriotism and some can-do attitude. it's bad. >> inflection point and infection point. here's what i don't get, james. help me understand that. they know they're up against probably the most politically poisonous and powerful opposition they faced i think in our lifetime, okay? they know that. >> right. >> they know the big lie was real. they know they'll double down. they see what they're willing to do when it comes to the vaccine and keeping people engaged in animus. and still they decide to have this kind of fight about the one thing that can secure their power base. >> well, they're going to have to step up. president biden, you know, he was elected. he's very experienced. he knows congress very well. he has good relationships. and this is a critical meeting you're having in the oval office. already they want to have a build and control prescription drug prices, enormously popular. you have democratic operatives working for hedge funds and pharmaceutical companies running around washington killing this stuff. somebody needs to name these people, all right? they need to say, this guy professes to be a big democrat and they're keeping drug prices high. they're keeping taxes low on wealthy people. i mean, it's time to step up here because the united states is in trouble and people are looking to get something done and there are enormously popular proposals that are just that, proposals, that are sitting there being killed by the washington lobbyists. and this has got to end. somebody's got to speak up to this. these are popular proposals and of course you've got get some infrastructure thing. if you don't get nothing, you can imagine what it's going to be like in 2023. you get 2.3 trillion, you keep the house and get the 52 democratic senators and you can get another trillion. but the biggest event we've got coming up is the election in 2022 to save the country because we know what's going to happen when they get in there. it's going to be a ka tcatastro. >> you have a more sophisticated sense of what the problem here is and what the holdup is than simply joe manchin. that's all you hear from the democrats. joe manchin. joe mafrpen is the problem. alexandria ocasio-cortez said, i'm not voting for that infrastructure bill if we don't get the full amount of spending. you're not getting the full amount of spending. that seems clear right now. so, what do you say to that faction? >> i say we've got speaker pelosi and president biden. chris, a lot of times people will take a hard line right up to the point of negotiating. and no one wants to walk into a negotiation, walk into a meeting and say we're willing to give up 35% of what i got. i think that congresswoman ocasio-cortez is a patriotic person. and patriotism requires some sacrifice, requires giving something up for the larger good. nobody's asking them to get shot at. we're just saying sit down. and these things are popular. it's like you're taking an unpopular stand. the president is not asking you to do something that's unpopular. he's popular in progressive districts and he's popular in the democratic party. so, you know, got to be grown ups here. this is -- this could be -- this could end very poorly, and i'm not being, you know, overly negative here or pessimistic. but tomorrow's a big day. and it'll same some wrangling, but i think speaker pelosi is very, very skilled as is senator schumer, and they're going to have to land this airplane. i'm not a legislative strategist and i don't know how. but if they don't, i know politics, and it's going to be ugly. very ugly. >> yeah, and i don't understand that 27th date put up by pelosi. i mean, it seems like you guys need more time, not less. we'll see what happens, james. and i'd love to have you come back because there's nobody i would love to listen to more about that party. >> okay. well, thank you. the congressman was very good. he was more optimistic than me. i hope he's right. >> he is. he's a very sober guy. he believes in his party. i also think he's not really paying attention to it as much either. he knows he's vote on it to happen. he's worried about the other side and he should be. that's an existential threat. you dealt with this in the clinton years. it's not that you can't have problems within your party and find a way through it. you've got people willing to go all in to beat you and they don't care what they break and what it means. and you still fight with yourself. doesn't makes sense. james, let me jump. be well. take care. >> thank you. let's go back to gabby petito. we're going to stay on this. and i know that it's not a popular thing to do, to kind of go at the democrats and how they're doing. i'm telling you right now as things stand, they are their own worst enemy. and that's saying something when you've got these trumpers, and we have proof they were willing to submarine the democracy to be quiet when people attacked the capitol, to still desert identify the election even after they watched that. and you're going to mess around with yourselves? crazy. now, to gabby petito and something we can all be on the same page about. we know for sure the body found near grand teton this weekend is her. she was killed. it was not natural causes. she did not kill herself. what does this mean for the investigation? there are key things that we need to know. the biggest is obviously where is is fiance. the search intensified, but they don't know where he is. you're about to hear from someone who says she was with brian laundrie after gabby was last heard from. our best clues next. with directv stream, i can get live tv and on demand... together. watch: serena williams... wonder woman. serena... wonder woman... serena... wonder woman... ♪ ♪ ace. advantage! you cannot be serious! ♪ ♪ get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. introducing directv stream with no annual contract. can you be free of hair breakage worries? we invited mahault to see for herself that new dove breakage remedy gives damaged hair the strength it needs. even with repeated combing hair treated with dove shows 97% less breakage. strong hair with new dove breakage remedy. today let's paint with new behr dynasty™... so that you can be proud of your walls. go ahead, throw your wine on it. what? 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gabby's body was found sunday. every detail matters, where he was, how he was, what was his demeanor, what was he saying, what was his story, does it line up, does it add to what investigators know specifo far, specifically about the time line? again, laundrie has not talked to police in the days since he came back. hasn't happened. neither has his family. he has not been charged with a crime. in fact only now do we know that somebody killed gabby. so, now we know a crime was committed. will he be charge snd we don't know. the question is where does it go from here? we have the perfect guest to discuss this with, our brilliant legal mind. he's been through many of these investigations. where do you need to go from here? next. ♪ we believe everyone deserves to live better. and just being sustainable isn't enough. our future depends on regeneration. that's why we're working to not only protect our planet, but restore, renew, and replenish it. so we can all live better tomorrow. ♪ ♪ before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new? 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let's bring in top legal mind formal criminal defense attorney, joey jackson. good to see you, brother. >> always a pleasure, chris. >> now, how long gabby petito was out there and no longer alive, how much does that matter in terms of them deciding cause of death? >> so, everything matters, right? any investigation you're going to undertake a number of things like what? you want to know the where, what, when, how, why? all of those are significant. some we know. some we don't. we know where it happened. the police have isolated that fact. now that we have the where, when it happened. they've isolated to the extent they think they have the parameters of when it would have occurred. how it happened is yet to be determined. we're going to learn that as it relates to the autopsy report. the circumstances under which it happened we don't yet know. i think the police have an awful lot. at the end of the day even in the event -- and you have a body here. as tough as it is to say that, chris -- and that's going to give them a ton of clues with respect to what exactly occurred. what did he do? what was the cause of death? perhaps isolating it down to -- not to get graphic about it, so we'll skip that. but the bottom line here is you look at everything there and then you look and assess his conduct. and what you find when you have the conduct is a lot of circumstantial evidence. a critical fact in this case is the fact that he ran. why evidence is consciousness of guilt. you can explain away the hitchhiking. he went somewhere. he was gone for a brief period of time. you could explain he was hiking along to ms. baker. they separated a while, he was hiking alone. what you can't explain is why did he run and why did he feel he needed to evade authorities. those are going to be questions in the event he is brought back safely that everyone is going to want to know. if there is an innocent explanation, you stay and explain. you don't run and hide. >> in terms of them not being able to immediately be able to say how gabby was killed, i am told my several different forensic experts that you and i both know that that makes it very likely that it wasn't an obvious thing. it wasn't a gunshot to the head or a massive chest wound or a multiple stabbing, that it probably goes to the categories of blunt force trauma and ligature marks, meaning some form of strangulation, which are also particular crimes of passion. and if it is something that is a more relatable idea of passion, that starts to point at the fiance because it suggests, well, who would have been that angry with her? probably someone she knows. >> yeah, i would agree with that. but i think at the end of the day, prosecutors are just going to focus the public not only splitting hairs. we can argue about whether it was strangulation, blunt force trauma, the specific circumstances surrounding her death. i think prosecutors are going to remind any jury if it gets that far of one thing, she's gone. who's with her at the time? he was. how long were they recording everything up until the point they were not? why did it come to the point he goes home and she's not there? why did it come to the point he leaves and not cooperate with the authorities and find the body. we can talk about the niceties or the indelicacy ossoff what exactly it was, but the end result. let's keep our eye on the prize. no matter what it was, she's gone. >> right. >> whose hands allege all those things, you have country trip. >> how would you get that information out there? how would you if you're otherwise defending him and you want to tell the jury i ran. i have to explain this, i have to explain that. someone has to explain it. your attorney can't give opening statements saying anything. you have to corroborate and explain. and the only one who could explain is him. and if he does go this rout, he has to expose himself to an attorney who's going to want answers. we can say anything we want. the sky is green, yellow. but when you get on that stand and have to explain and be subject to questioning, it becomes a whole different crisis. okay. the problem isn't that we have cvp people on horseback, that's something they do. how they act when they're on horseback, that's something else. but what you do about this, the rules, resources, what is the plan? 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