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they have called this a crisis of trust. as of yet, president biden has not yet spoken with the french president. we know president biden requested a phone call with the french president, but as of last hour, the white house press secretary saying that call is still being scheduled, the details still very much being finalized. >> let's discuss with my team. david sanger of the "new york times," let's start with you. how much of this meeting between boris johnson and joe biden is focused on the u.s. and the u.k. repairing relations with france, or do you think they don't care that much? >> it's not clear how much they care. they blame the australians, who had a deal with france. the american and british view was it's for the australians to go unwrap themselves from that. of course, the world doesn't work like that. what they needed to do was come up with a plan to basically come up with an alternative that would bring the french into it or at least make up some of the economic damage. more important than the economic damage is making sure that they felt like they were part of the alliance. instead, you've got this huge breach that is threatening what is fundamentally a correct strategic move, which is to focus on china. >> and kylie, let me go to you. it was interesting to hear how much president biden talked about unity today, especially given this situation with france. take a listen. >> we must work together with other partners, our partners, toward a shared future. i believe we must work together as never before. now, we must again come together to affirm the inherent humanity that unites us is much greater than any outward divisions or disagreements. >> i can't imagine what emanuel macron, the president of france, thought while listening to that. we should note biden has still not spoken with him. >> reporter: that's right. president biden had a lot to say about strepg ngthening alliance hailing multilateral lismmultil need to do that to preserve certain values that are valued by democracies. i spoke with a senior french diplomat after that speech and they said this rift between france and the u.s. isn't going to be solved by speeches and words, indicating there that president macron wants a little bit more from president biden than just this speech at the u.n. today. >> gloria, it's interesting that president biden talks so much about unity. we should note it's not just this rift with the frernch over this deal. a lot of american allies, especially nato partners, were very upset how the evacuation and withdrawal from afghanistan happened. not necessarily the fact that it happened but the way it happened in which many of their own countrymen were scrambling to get out. >> yeah. i think it was a little awkward, to say the least. you have the president who said, you know, these are our democratic values, we value these relationships, these are the ethics we abide by, we are democracies, we are better than autocracies, we are unified, we work together towards a common goal. then you have afghanistan and then you have this argument with the french, an ally. so you can imagine the french sitting out there in particular, but others as well saying, wait a minute, where was all this discussion with us before you decided to withdraw? you know, we were participants, we need to know what your intentions were. why not? why not do that? and aren't you a little hypocritical here? i'm sure they're relieved he's not donald trump, honestly, because donald trump wanted to say fwgood-bye to nato. on the other hand, i think they expected more from joe biden. >> on the subject of afghanistan, take a listen to president biden defending the withdrawal from afghanistan. >> u.s. military power must be our tool of last resort, not our first. it should not be used as an answer to every problem we see around the world. >> if i were a nato ally, i'd be thinking you guys are the ones that declared war on afghanistan. we joined you. we invoked article v. >> that's right. the europeans also wanted out. by the time the war came to an end, everybody wanted out for the past seven or eight years. every time president biden and his team are criticized for this, they go back to the original concept of why the united states needed to get out, because they know that's the unifying issue. as you suggested before, the issue wasn't getting out. the issue was how they got out, right? and the chaos involved in it and leaving people behind and so forth. in an odd way, the same thing is true in the submarine deal. i don't think that many people, s some europeans perhaps would argue you shouldn't be refocusing on asia. clearly china is the considerable threat of the next 50, 100 or more years. the question is how he did this. >> it's clumsy and chaotic which is the opposite of what joe biden was promising. we're not going to have chaos, things are going to be well thought out and well planned and we're going to bring you into the circle. it didn't happen. >> in fact, kylie we should note both biden and trump argued about putting american interests first. but biden aides would say the difference is that biden believes in alliances. that's the main difference and a significant one. and here you have alliances frayed. the french never withdrew or recalled their ambassador from the united states during four years of trump. >> and that is just why this is so problematic. you hear a biden administration official trying to down play this as a nonissue. but the fact that the french went out of their way to compare what president biden did here to the actions taken by former president trump is significant. those sorts of comparisons aren't just thrown around willy nilly. that is a very low blow, but maybe a very deliberate one, we should expect from the french here. i also think that it's important to recognize that president biden didn't talk a lot about china even though he evoked the idea of china as a challenge to the united states and to democracies around the world. it was a deliberate choice not to mention china by name but to say very explicitly that the biden administration doesn't want a cold war. and that is probably the reason that he didn't mention china by name, because that would have created the assumption that if you're calling out china, there is this cold war that some say is already emerging, whether the biden administration wants to acknowledge it or not. >> absolutely right. kylie's got it just right. in public no one wants to use the cold war terminology. they will say, look, this is different. the cold war was a military competition with the soviet union. we had minimal economic interchange with them. with china we've got a big economic interchange. all that does is make this form of cold war more complex, harder to get into and harder to get out of and in many ways more dangerous. >> gloria, i don't know how much you think biden was playing to that domestic audience. >> always. >> which doesn't necessarily care that the french or mad. >> no. >> which probably, generally speaking, is focused on what biden wants to focus, the withdrawal from afghanistan, not how the withdrawal happened. >> yeah. i think he is playing to a domestic audience always and you project strength and you talk about your values. the thing that biden always comes back to, and we hear this so much, is his insistence that democracies have to prove that they can deliver, because autocracies are out there and they're delivering. democracies have to do more. look what he's got on his plate here in washington right now. he's got to deliver on infrastructure and all his economic programs. they're all happenging in the balance right now. it's all part of one piece, which is i've got to deliver for you, project strength and i've got to win. >> when he talks about democracy versus autocracy, he's not just talking about china and russia as the autocracies. he's also talking about what donald trump would do with the united states. we just learned that the coroner has confirmed that the remains found in wyoming are the remains of gabby petito, who went missing while traveling with her fiance who is missing right now too. the details right after this quick break. subway® has so muct didn't fit in our last ad. like the new artisan italian and hearty multigrain bread. it's the eat fresh refresh™ at subway®. it's so much new there's no time for serena! wait, what?! sorry, we don't even have time to say they were created by world class bakers! oh, guess we did! seriously?! can you be free of hair breakage worries? 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>> yes. they ran up and down the sidewalk. he proceeded to hit her, hopped in the car and they drove off. >> we've been fighting all morning and he wouldn't let me in the car before. >> reporter: officers concluded the situation was the result of a mental health crisis and suggested the two separate for the night. no charges were filed. a national park service ranger who was present when the police stopped the couple said in an interview, she told petito her relationship seemed toxic, saying we thought we were making the right decision when we left them. >> on august 29th my boyfriend and i picked up brian at grand teton national park. >> reporter: authorities looking into an encounter with laundrie in which this woman says he was hitchhiking, picking him up in an area near where the human remains were later discovered. laundrie told the couple he had been camping alone for days while petito stayed back in the van to work on social media posts. she says he became agitated. >> he hurried out of the car and said all he had was a tarp to sleep on which you'd think if you were camping or days on end you'd want food and a tent. he had none of that. >> a good deal of mystery surrounding where brian laundrie is right now. authorities have been searching for him since the weekend. the police in florida say the area they are searching can be a vast and unforgiving location with waist-deep water, gator and snake infested swamps and fl flofl flooded hiking and biking trails. >> such a horrible story. rest in peace gabby petito. there is some encouraging news today on one of the covid vaccines as health experts are warning of some pandemic trouble potentially ahead. stay with us. - [announcer] at southern new hampshire university, we never stop celebrating our students. from day one to graduation to your dream job, that's why we're keeping your tuition low for the 10th year in a row. - [student] the affordability and the quality of education, it can be enough to change your life. - [announcer] as a nonprofit university, we believe in making college more affordable for everyone. - southern new hampshire university, it was just amazing experience. - [announcer] find your degree at snhu.edu. visible is wireless that doesn't play games. no surprise fees, legit unlimited data, for as little as $25 a month. and the best part? 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is there any sort of deal that's been reached? >> it was a wonderful meeting. you know, i just articulated again what i've been saying for the last 3 1/2 months, which is that we are looking forward as a progressive caucus to delivering both bills to the president's desk. we will vote for the infrastructure bill even though many of my members don't want to do that, frankly, because they think it's not just too small but it's got some problematic things in it. the speaker has been very strong on this message that we need to do both together. so we talked through that. i made sure she understood that we have over half of our caucus that remains committed to delivering only both the bills, not one at a time. and i also went through some of our top priorities, many of which have made it into the house bill as it stands. so it was a great conversation. i wanted to make sure she was very clear about where our members are. >> how many members are there of the house democratic progressive caucus? >> 96 members and over half are absolutely committed to making sure we deliver both bills at the same time. >> so 48 democrats will vote against the house infrastructure bill if it does not come with the budget reconciliation package? >> more than half of our members will vote for both bills. this was the deal, jake, that came out of the senate when progressive senators passed the bipartisan bill in the senate. it was on the specific understanding and commitment that both bills would move together. so now we want to make sure that both bills are moving together and we're going to hold to that commitment. so, yes, half our members, more than half our members will not move the bipartisan bill without the reconciliation bill being passed. >> is it going to be introduced, both of those bills on monday? >> well, we'll just have to see. i think even when the commitment originally was made for some consideration of the bipartisan bill, it was with the understanding that we were moving the reconciliation bill at the same time. that's still where we are. jake, i think the ultimate thing here is we have to deliver on the entirety of the president's agenda. we have to deliver on child care, we have to deliver on paid leave, we have to make sure people can go to free community college, we need to make sure we're taking on climate change. we've got to address housing and immigration and medicare expansion. these are critical priorities for the american people. if we wait -- you know, the speaker always says, the children have the leverage. i think that is absolutely right. if we wait, then it's kids, it's working class families, it's people across this country that voted us in because they knew this is what we had promised and now we've got to deliver. >> there were nine house democrats who wanted to make sure that the bipartisan infrastructure bill was voted on before the house proceeded with the larger spending plan. have you met or talked with gothiemer and his team to come to a resolution on which comes first? >> we've been clear from the beginning. i spoke with josh. he's a good colleague of mine. i spoke with him multiple times in the last couple of weeks and i made it clear this was where we were. let's be clear on what deal was made. this was the deal. originally progressives did not want to split the bill up at all. we wanted one bill to go through. we knew we could do it more quickly that way. we knew it would keep everyone together and united on the president's vision. and the decision was made to split it up into two bills. fine. we didn't like it, but we ultimately agreed to it because it was a two-track strategy. we were very clear. three months ago, i think, is the first statement i put out after we talked to our caucus members that we would go along with that, but only on the condition that we passed the reconciliation bill first and we would deliver our votes regardless of how people feel about the infrastructure bill, we would deliver our votes for the infrastructure bill. we would deliver the entirety of the president's algenda to him for his signature. >> how do you respond to the argument i'm sure you've heard from more conservative members of the democratic caucus that the votes are not there for the bigger $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill in the senate. sinema and manchin are not there. if the bipartisan caucus votes to defeat the infrastructure bill because the bigger budget package hasn't passed first, then you are basically hurting president biden and his agenda and the ability of democrats to do anything else going forward. >> well, several things. first of all, this is the president's agenda, what we are fighting for is the president's agenda. it's actually what we all ran on and it's what voters delivered the house, the senate and the white house to us to deliver back to them. so that's the first thing. the second thing is that, you know, senator manchin and senator sinema and others, i have a great deal of respect for them, they created this bipartisan bill. they negotiated it. they never consulted with us on it. we had really no say in that bill at all. so i understand the feeling of feeling like there are some things that you don't agree with and yet you vote for it because it's the president's agenda, it's the democratic agenda. we ultimately have to be able to show people we worked on their behalf. i understand that feeling. you know what, we are going to be big folks here on the same democratic team and we're going to get everybody to vote for that bipartisan bill once the reconciliation bill is passed. if they want to lower the number of the reconciliation bill, they've got to say what it is they want to take out, because this is not a number that's been pulled out of a hat. this is a number a that is about what it costs to deliver on these priorities. but at the end of the day, the ultimate cost of this bill is going to be zero, because we are going to pay for the entire thing with tax increases on the wealthiest individuals and corporations so they finally pay their physicafair share. just like the press reported on the $2 trillion tax scam from the gop as a $2 trillion tax scam, the reality is it was many trillion dollars more than that. the net cost was 2 trillion. let's talk about the net cost which is going to be zero, because we will pay for the whole thing. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you very much. i would be remiss if i did not say happy birthday. >> thank you, jake. i appreciate that. tonight... i'll be eating a club sandwich with fries and a side of mayonnaise. wonderful! mayonnaise... on fries? 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>> well, i think you got to wait for the j&j and the fda to sort of finish these discussions. j&j has submitted some of this data, which looks promising, as you mentioned. right now the fda basically has to say, hey, go ahead and apply for full approval for two shots or apply for emergency use authorization. those discussions are happening now. we need to hear from them. j&j started later than pfizer and moderna. they were authorized end of february and started rolling out in march. so the whole process is probably a couple months later . let me show you what they did find for how things stand now. 81% effectiveness against hospitalization. it did break down by age, jake, as we saw when discussing boosters for pfizer as well, people under 60 versus over 60. >> let's dive each more into the data. j j&j says a two-dose version of its shot provides 94% protection against symptomatic infection. how does that stack up? >> it's a lot better than the single jab. the single jab numbers still good, but this is obviously much better. the numbers for two doses, this is sort of on par with what we see with moderna and pfizer. moderna right around that mid 90% range. pfizer may be a little bit lower but also within the same range, that bottom line 100% effectiveness against severe critical disease. that's what j&j is reporting after two doses. they also talked about when that second dose should be given, the interval between the two doses. this is a big topic that keeps coming up. they said if you give it two months later, they saw antibodies four to six times higher. if they waited until six months after the first shot, nine to 12 types higher. a lot of folks who have gotten the j&j vaccine trying to figure out do i need a booster. but there may be some sense in waiting a little bit, see how much more of a boost you get if a wait a little bit longer for that second shot. that will come up at the fda meeting as well. >> last year's flu numbers were very low, frankly because so many people were staying home and masking. we're hearing warnings. one doctor saying this year could be dangerously different. what are we expecting? >> you know, i don't know for sure, jake. we've been following other countries around the world that have been going through their flu season, like australia, and they still have been moderate sort of seasons, even low seasons. but that could be for all sorts of different reasons. the concern is that every year we build up some more immunity to the flu. the flu changes a little bit, we have more immunity. we didn't really get that exposure last year, so that's why they think this flu season might be worse. but if not this year, then next year. at some point we're probably going to pay a little bit for the lack of exposure over the past couple of years. if it's worse, that's one of the things they're sort of planning for. that's what they're calling this twindemic. >> i assume the number one thing people can do is go get their flu shots. what can people do to protect themselves? >> when you talk about flu overall, you get millions of people who get diagnosed with flu in any given year, up to 800,000 hospitalizations and up to 61,000 people dying. much of that can be sort of mitigated by the vaccine, which is around. one thing i want to show you as much as we talk about the vaccine and hesitancy around covid, take a look at flu numbers as well in terms of vaccine uptake. it's 52% overall that people actually get their flu shots. this is the estimate of burden of flu, but 52%, half of the country gets their flu shot every year. i find it so interesting, right? at one point it was the worst pandemic of our lifetime. 100 years later you see the numbers on the screen. with covid vaccine, it's not too different in terms of where we sit with vaccination right now despite the fact we're in the middle of this pandemic. even children,about 64%. vaccination helps a lot if people actually get the vaccines. >> i want you to listen to something president biden said at the united nations general assembly this morning. >> to fight this pandemic we need a collective act of science and political will. we need to act now to get shots in arms as fast as possible, planes carrying vaccines from the united states have already landed in 100 countries, bringing people all over the world a little dose of hope. >> president biden, the united states struggling with fighting the pandemic at home. is it too much, too lofty even to try to battle it around the world? >> i don't think so. i mean, if you look at the production from some of these vaccine makers, you're talking about billions of doses that are likely to be produced. the problem here at home is the lack of demand, whereas in many countries around the world it's lack of supply. i think sort of trying to equalize that a bit makes a lot of sense. i think more to the point, jake, and it's always one of these vaguer things to explain, but more times the various transmits from one human to another, the more mutations might potentially occur. most of those mutations aren't going to be a problem at all, but one of them could be. the more times it happens, the higher the chances you're going to have a problematic mutation. there is a need to slow the spread obviously here in the united states but all over the world as well. >> dr. gupta, thank you so much. coming up next, cnn goes inside what used to be a huge us air base, now under taliban control. stay with us. and new hickory-smoked bacon. it's the eat fresh refresh™ at subway®. there's so much new we don't even have time for this guy! but i'm tom brady! oh, and there's smashed avocado too! you booked a cozy vrbo mountain cabin. 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how many? thousands, he tells me. >> prisoner escaped and they left him behind. this is all here. >> reporter: this is everyone's shoes hanging here, blankets, towels, books, koran, phone numbers scribbled on the wall. you really get an idea of just how many people were crammed in these cells, one mattress, another one, another one. it looks like at least 30 in each of these wire mesh cells. look. conditions in here were so tight, the prisoners are hanging their possessions from these little ropes from the wire cage. this was it. this piece of mattress, that was their personal space. some prisoners were locked up here for years and like abu ghraib in iraq, infamous for torture. one, two, three, four, five, six seven cages i can see here. what we don't realize number later this cavernous cell block just one of many. how do you feel about the situation for the people that were held here? it was harsh, he says. they were beaten. there was torture. the u.s. department of defense said it investigated all credible allegations of abuse by its soldiers, some were >> so hear are the rules. no throwing or assaulting guards no. fighting. no escaping. no damaging is cells. no dis-obeid yeps. you will not touch my guards. no spitting in my house. those are the results. >> we're not the only ones getting a look. the taliban are bringing their friends in. wondering on the top of the cages, too. >> what do you think -- it should be destroyed, he says, so brutal people can't use it again. >> this is a staircase to the platform above the cells, and when you get up here you get a sense of the sheer scale of this detention facility, how many people must have been in here, just huge. this is where they say the guards patrolled so they could look down in the different cells. they sprayed it on the prisoners. >> reporter: the taliban commander say the guards used water to break up fights or keep the prisoners awake at night. what i find a little surprising is everyone has come here to look. some of the guards are familiar with this, but none of them seem angry, angry at us at least and that's something that i would have expected. do you want revenge for this? >> we forced the americans out, he says. that's revenge. the other says but it doesn't mean we'll forgot them. can you shine a light in here. >> reporter: room after room documents scattered. >> and over here a board with all the prisoners' numbers on. >> the remnants of an occupation in overdrive. years and years of jailing afghans. >> look at this. this must have been the control room. look at all the lcd monitors around the wall here. >> reporter: around the corner the psychiatric ward. it's a medical center but it's still got cages inside. smaller cages. >> so he's showing us here the isolation, so i don't know if you can see it. if you put your camera up right next to here, isolation cell. >> the writing on the wall tells us two prisoners crammed in here. >> and then there's this net which i can't figure out what it's for unless it's for putting on somebody to restrain them just laying on the floor. >> reporter: what is clear here individual trauma, collective anger and from what we've been told an unpaid score to settle with america. >> let's bring in cnn's nic robertson who is live for us in kabul. nic, you've been to baghram many times during the war. what struck you the most about what you saw today? >> reporter: yeah. i think it was the sheer scale and the fact that there were almost no taliban there. when we were trying to go in and get into different gates we did see a number of taliban loaded up headed to what we thought would be the front line, weapons, bed rolls, all of that kind of thing. we thought when we got in we'd see lots and lots of taliban in there making this their new headquarters. it wasn't. it really was almost completely deserted. just a few tine clusters of taliban and that for me i mean was shocking. yes, we were aware that so much military hardware had been left behind and yes, we were aware that the buildings had been left there, but you see this vast, vast air field, resource like this just now laying idle in the hands of the taliban. i remember visiting it in the '90s when it was a former soviet union base, nothing like this at all. the taliban have inherited here something of huge value. >> tailed before the u.n. general assembly president biden pledged to, quote, advocate for the rights of women and girls in afghanistan. how is that advocacy going on the ground there, nic? >> reporter: deaf ears you might want to say because today the taliban announced an additional 17 members for the government. they were pleased from their point of view to say the 17 new members, none of them are members of the taliban. people here think it's window dress. there was not a single woman among them, and president biden was very clear in his speech at the unga that they need to respect women's rights, their economic rights, their political rights, their social rights and the personal rights. that didn't come across today in the new position announcements. >> nic robertson, thanks so much, my friend. canada's prime minister justin trudeau survived a snap election he called himself but not quite what he wanted. stay with us. ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪ visible is wireless that doesn't play games. no surprise fees, legit unlimited data, for as little as $25 a month. and the best part? 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