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he outlined his world view and called for a united approach with a big focus on the fight against the pandemic as well as the climate crisis. biden also defended the chaotic u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan and hailed the beginning of a new era, of, quote, relentless diplomacy as opposed to relentless war. listen to this. we've end 20 years of conflict in afghanistan, and as we close this period of relentless war, we're opening a new era of the united states is not the same country we were when we were attacked on 9/1120 years ago. today we're better equipped to detect and prevent terrorist threats and we are more resilient in our ability to repel them and to respond. >> while the president touted his efforts to rebuild alliances on the world stage, his remarks at the u.n. come in a moment he's caught in a major diplomatic fight, a rift with france over the recent submarine deal with australia. cnn's jeff zeleny is joining us live from headquarters in new york. what else stuck out to you about biden's speech today? >> reporter: a big moment for president biden as he was delivering his first address to a scaled-back version of the united nations general assembly. many leaders not here in new york because of the pandemic. but certainly the tone of president biden's message was significant, a significant change of course from the last four years of the trump administration's america-first policy. but perhaps not as significant of a difference as some european allies would like. president biden made clear at the very end of his remarks, talking about he said the end of america's longest war, the war in afghanistan, and iraq before that, making clear that using force will be the tool of a last resort. he really tried to use that as a pivot point for the threats of the future. but, kate, perhaps most significantly, he did not mention china directly by name, but he said the u.s. is not seeking a new cold war or dividing the world into regions. but that of course is the underlying question here. given the dispute with france, it's all over submarines to australia which are related to the u.s.', you know, rising concern with china. so certainly that was a subtext to all of these remarks. kate, also striking at the very end of these remarks, president biden mentioning the insurrection that happened here on u.s. soil on january 6th, using that as a quick example of how democracies are not perfect, but that, he said, is the best chance of the world. so certainly a big array of topics there. but, you know, perhaps not the audience he would have expected for his first speech to the u.n. so much skepticism of his administration's policies. >> i thought the mention of the insurrection was really interesting and important as well, jeff. stay with me, jeff. joining us in the conversation is cnn global affairs analyst and staff writer for "the new yorker," susan glasser. one notable difference, maybe the least surprising, is of a very different tone, very different speech, very different message compared to biden's predecessor. a big turn away from trump's america first. what did you think of the speech? was it a call to arms, a victory lap, both? >> it was certainly a rebuttal to trump and trumpism and the idea of an america going it alone, which in some ways is both a rebuttal of trump but also a rebuttal of the previous republican president, george w. bush, right. so in both cases you have president biden saying not only our allies and alliances and multilateral institutions at the core of american foreign policy as he sees it but also this idea of closing the book on war as a tool as the default tool of american diplomacy, something that would be associated really more with george w. bush even than with donald trump, who in many ways was more about looking inward and bringing true atonement. so i think you see a very forceful, democratic, capital "d," as well as democratic small "d" speech from joe biden today. the questions all revolve around what is he going to do about it. he has sketched this vivid idea of a world in which democracies are actively contesting the field with autocracies like china and russia but so far it's still not entirely clear what exactly that means in practice. >> yeah, and jeff, biden campaigned on this notion of america is back, which he reiterated in his speech today. what does that tag line mean now eight months into his presidency? is it something different than he hoped it meant when taking office? >> it certainly has been unpacked and it certainly now is being tested. i mean, for all of the, you know, very dramatic and different changes from one administration to another, and as susan pointed out, certainly through the bush administration through obama to trump to biden, now of course president biden will be judged by president biden. this is his administration, his leadership time around the world. saying america is back certainly talking about the rebuilding, the strengthening of alliances, but there are several countries, if there had been rebuttal time, there certainly would have been many questions shouted or asked of president biden there. i was also struck by when he talked about it is incumbent on all leaders to have, you know, real conversations and real relationships, and he said that competition cannot bleed into conflict. so perhaps not so subtle a reminder there to france. but we don't know what america is back necessarily is. we certainly know that president biden is not espousing america first anymore, but a lot of the policies have not changed all that much or as much as allies would have hoped. so it's a very difficult question to answer specifically what america is back actually means. that of course is one of the challenges for this president. >> i think you point out really well, susan, a speech is important. words do matter. we have learned that in the last four years for sure. but actions when it comes to what allies are looking for a is also what they are looking for, not just a grand speech. susan, jeff mentioned the message to china, and i want to reiterate that point that what biden's message to china seemed to be without saying china in the speech when he said we are not seeking a new cold war or a world divided into rigid blocks. what did you think of that? >> yeah, i think it was very explicit. remember that biden in recent weeks has reached out to xi jinping. there's been almost a complete rebuffing of u.s. overtures to work together on issues of mutual concern like climate change. in fact, the u.n. secretary-general actually began this session of u.n. general assembly with an interview that was a stark warning and saying both china and the u.s. have failed and that right now that means that the world is potentially going to fail on things like climate change. john kerry, the climate envoy, former secretary of state, was recently embarrassed, humiliated by the chinese. he refused to anyone of a commensurate level to meet with him even though they had a taliban delegation with full diplomatic fanfare. that's part of what you're hearing from biden today. we have no choice, we have to work together, at the same time, i did notice he did make a mention of xinjiang, the human rights abuses by the chinese government and creating camps up to a million ethnic uighurs are imprisoned. and i think that is a sore spot for the chinese that the president of the united states has continually said i'm going to be talking more about human rights than my predecessor. so, again, unclear what that overture will mean. i thought that climate change in general was probably the most substantive part of bilden's speech as seeking to 'ry sure the rest of the world that the u.s. will have more than words but will actually be delivering more when it comes to climate finance aids to poor countries as well. >> also mentioning he'll have announcements on more contributions from the united states when it comes to the global effort to fight against the pandemic, and much more to come on that. good to see you, jeff. thank you. susan, thank you. we are watching capitol hill very closely. house speaker nancy pelosi is warning that the next 48 hours are critical to passing much of president biden's economic agenda. there are multiple fighting factions and opposing forces at play here. one fight is democrats versus republicans. a pretty political fight, pretty blatantly political fight over raising the debt ceiling, paying the nation's credit card bill, and avoiding a government shutdown. that is a real threat now. the other fight is within the democratic party itself, progressives versus moderate, standing firm on how far to go, how much to spend when it comes to this massive bill and budget bill and intertwined with it the bipartisan infrastructure bill. this is incredibly important stuff, also a total mystery right now, how this is going to end up. but it is really all on the line for president biden in all of this. manu raju joins me now. the democratic and republican leaders have been kind of laying out the lay of the land, the latest lay of the land today. what are you hearing from them? >> yeah, behind closed doors each side has made the case to their members to stay united. that is what they're saying, the democrats on the other side saying they need to stick together to pass roughly $5 trillion joe biden's agenda in the next week or so. they do not have unity. they have infighting. divisions over the larger package, liberals want to spend $3.5 trillion. moderates want to pare that back. pelosi is signaling she wants something they can agree on in terms of overall price tag. there's a separate package, the infrastructure bill, $1.2 trillion, passed by a bipartisan senate majority last month. that is expected to get a vote on september 27th. that is on next monday. but the liberals in the house are threatening to sink that infrastructure bill if that larger economic package is not approved by both chambers of congress. here's the problem -- there's no chance that both chambers will pass that larger bill by next monday, so the question is what will happen. one key democratic voice, elizabeth warren, told me moments ago she encourages her liberals in the house to stand firm and try to pass all of the agenda at once. >> progressives in the house are trying to sink the infrastructure bill if the reconciliation is not passed by both chambers next monday. >> we had an agreement from the beginning, that there would be one package, it might take multiple votes, but that one package would move forward. i know a lot of people say let's try to break this thing apart, take it in smaller bites, but the reality is in the world of the filibuster, we have one bite at passing a lot of this through. and we cannot fail the american people. >> reporter: but the real concern by democrats whether all of it will collapse under its own weight because liberals are saying there could be two, three dozen house progressives voting against that smaller infrastructure bill on monday if the larger package is not passed yet. but on the senate side, there's no agreement on what that larger package will look like. one big reason why, the key voice, joe manchin from west virginia is still in negotiations, wants to pare that back along with some of the other fellow democratic moderates in the senate, kate. so much riding on the line, just on the democratic side, to get the agreement, matchup less the financial issues that you laid out before. no agreement on that either. >> i want to ask you about that. manu is not kidding or holding anything back. it is a mystery what is going to be happening in the next couple days because there is so much on the line. this is incredibly important stuff and also incredibly mind numbing if we have to be honest with everyone. is a government shutdown next week potential default next month, is it -- is that a realistic possibility right now? >> reporter: anything's possible. people here -- the two sides are at opposite sides how to resolve this. september 30th is that first deadline. they need to have an agreement to fund the government. all federal agencies by then. there's no agreement for that. mid-october, the second major deadline to avoid a potential debt default, if there is not an agreement to raise the nation's borrowing limit. the country has never defaulted on its obligations. house democrats are planning today to put both issues together, fund the government past september 30th but also raise the debt ceiling. but they need an agreement from 60 senators to do that. it's 50 democrats along with ten republicans. republicans say they'll not support that. they say it is on the democrats to raise the debt limit because of all the spending that joe biden's presidency has incurs do far and in the future. democrats say republicans should do this because of past obligations as well, anything accrued during the trump administration. as you can see here, both sides are staring at each other, playing a game of chicken, a rather dangerous game of chicken, particularly if there's a default for a shutdown. it's unclear at the moment how this ultimately gets resolved, kate. >> when it comes to the debt ceiling, so everyone knows, manu and i unfortunately slept often on capitol hill when it came to debt ceiling fights. republicans have passed the debt ceiling and raised the debt ceiling. they have done this many times before. they did during the trump administration with no fanfare or fight. this when it comes to the debt creeling is all about political messaging but it can become a real problem when it's linked up now with the government funding fight. good to see you, manu. we'll see what happens. coming up for us, police and fbi are now back at a nature reserve in the hunt for petit-troupgabby petito. we'll have the latest next. or fun. daring, or thoughtful. sensitive, or strong. progress isn't either or progress is everything. 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where is brian laundrie? we're hoping that the autopsy is consistent with the characteristics of gabby petito. >> leyla, thank you so much for that. we'll get back to you as there seems to be a lot of fast-moving developments on this story every day. joining me for more is mary ellen o'toole, former fbi profiler and special agent and attorney areva martin. two things are happening today, the always and the search for laundrie, returning to that same reserve they were searching over the weekend. what do you think this means by the end of the day? >> hopefully, kate, it means there's more clues, more evidence that the law enforcement in this case has that perhaps, you know, leads them to more information about what happened to gabby. right now we know her boyfriend, brian, is a person of interest, he has not been specifically identified as a suspect, although in several jurisdictions those terms are used interchangeably. but clearly the police want to talk to brian. he was with her on this cross-country trip. he returned home. he did not report her missing. ten days went by before her parents reported her missing. he apparently has information about what happened to her, but he, rather than come forward and give that information, he went home and lawyered up and refused to answer questions, refused to talk to her parents, refused to cooperate with law enforcement. and now he's missing. so there are lots of informations that need to be gleaned in this case and hopefully at the end of today we'll have more information that will lead to some resolution in terms of what happened to this young lady. >> mary ellen, the fbi searched brian laundrie's parents' home yesterday all day long, and they questioned the parents as well. what do you think as areva was laying out, what do you think of his behavior, their behavior throughout this ordeal? what does an fbi profiler glean from this? >> the behavior for both brian and his parents is interesting from this perspective -- if brian has nothing to do with this case, got scared, came home, spoke with his parents, told them i didn't do this, but, you know, i'm sure they're going to look at me, that's one thing. and at this point, we still don't know that that's not the case. but a person's behavior can begin to create a lot of red flags. and so if that is the case, brian is not doing himself any favors at all. if hie's still alive and continuing on this path of evading law enforcement, the other thing i think that's really critical is hopefully the parents are cooperating with law enforcement to the extent that they're allowed to. i know they have an attorney. but at this point we're trying to locate brian, trying to get him in a position where we can talk to him and find out what happened. and so when a family doesn't cooperate, there certainly could be very legitimate reasons to not do so, but the flipside of that is that behavior looks suspicious. and i think from a profiler's standpoint, that's the way i would look at it. >> areva, you said it's a matter of time before the fbi locates brian laundrie. but where is the line between the moral and the legal here when it comes to laundrie's parents? what is the difference between what they should have done or people think common sense would lend them to do and whether there's any crime that was committed? >> look, kate, i'm a parent of three and so i can imagine as any parent you want to protect your child. but if a crime has been committed, you have an only ga obligation to participate and cooperate with law enforcement. if a crime has been committed and you are knowingly concealing that crime, you are committing in a crime yourself, engaging in obstruction of justice. so just because your child may be involved in criminal activity, you don't have the right or pleasure to not participate with law enforcement. and imagine your child goes on a trip with their boyfriend or girlfriend and goes missing. that person returns home without plo providing any information about what happened. i think the moral line has already been crossed. i think brian's parents have an obligation to talk to gabby's parents, give them as much information as they have about their daughter's death to the extent that they have that information. and hopefully they are not concealing information. but if they are concealing information about a crime, then they deserve to be prosecuted for, you know, their conduct. everyone here has an obligation to come forward and provide law enforcement with information about this young girl, what now appears to be her death and possibly her murder. >> areva martin, thank you, mary ellen, thank you so much. still to come, border agents confronting haitian migrants on horseback. the white house calls these images horrific. but what are they planning to do as more migrants are making their way north towards that same border crossing? 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>> well, kate, you're right, i can't see them on skype, but i don't need to see any more of these images. i mean, to have -- we've had a big growing number of people on our border for a long time during the trump and the biden administrations. and of course, you know, over time we've had people coming to our country. when all of a sudden, when there's 8,000 or 10,000 or 12,000 black people under a bridge at the border and our government responds with men on horseback and whips and, you know, charging people on horseback, this is beyond troubling. these individuals -- >> you think this is racially motivated? >> i do. i do. i'm not the only one. you know, dozens of us sent a letter yesterday to the government saying that we need to stop these deportations and we need to treat these people like human beings. there are several layers to this, kate. first of all -- >> but they're interconnect bud two separate things and i want to get to both, which are these images of border agents on horseback and also the deportation flights, whatever you want to call them, repatriation, deportation flights that the biden administration has done and has said they're going to continue to do. on the images that are coming out, that now the secretary of homeland security says he's horrified by, these men on horseback, he says there's an investigation, you say that you think this is racially motivated. the held of -- you think like the head of border patrol believes that? >> i don't know. i'm not -- i don't know what any individual thinks, but have we seen -- this is the largest incidence i know of of a very large group of migrants of african origin at our border, and this is the first time i've seen -- have you seen people on horseback with reins or whips, you know, in this way? i have not seen it before. i've been down to the border. you know, since early 2019 when i took office, i followed this very closely. so, you know, i find the whole thing extremely, extremely troubling. and there's a long history of haitian immigrants being treated differently than others, famously cubans and haitians, the wet foot, dry foot policy, for example. more in florida than in the southern board we are mexico. so haitian immigrants have been treated differently than other migrants for decades. and this is the latest and most egregious example. >> you signed this letter calling for an immediate halt, a total halt to deportations to haiti because of the earthquake. this was last week even. and the secretary, though, has made clear these deportations are going to continue and thousands and thousands of people are at the u.s. border. where do you want them to go if these deportation flights stop? >> well, so, there's several things. first of all, the government of haiti says they have no capacity to take them, that they can't feed them, they can't clothe them. many of these people, as i think you know, did not come recently from haiti. many haven't been to haiti in 5 or 10 or 20 years. they've been living in panama or chile or other countries. and so i think -- and then many of them are trying to seek asylum. so our law, kate, says that when any person comes to our border seeking asylum, they have a right to a hearing and we have to follow u.s. law and international law. and the idea of hiding behind a health order about covid is completely unacceptable. i mean, the covid situation in haiti is very dire. we're having -- we're having a lot of trouble getting vaccines districted there. it has the second lowest vaccination rate of any country in the world after the democratic republican of congo. so don't tell me we're solving the covid crisis by sending migrants back to a country which is saying openly we have no way of processing these people, of fielding them, of clothing them, of housing them. >> this is crisis compounding crisis is what we are seeing unfolding right now. congressman, i would love to continue this conversation because this is unfortunately not going to be ending anytime soon. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. take care. >> thank you. up next for us, important vaccine news. johnson & johnson now saying a second dose of its vaccine offers a big boost of protection against coronavirus. what that means for millions of american who is got that shot. sgt. houston never expected this to happen. or that her grandpa's dog tags would be left behind. but that one call got her a tow and rental... ...paid her claim... ...and we even pulled a few strings. making it easy to make things right: that's what we're made for. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. get a quote today. subway® has so much new it didn't fit in our last ad. like the new artisan italian and hearty multigrain bread. it's the eat fresh refresh™ at subway®. it's so much new there's no time for serena! wait, what?! sorry, we don't even have time to say they were created by world class bakers! oh, guess we did! seriously?! in 2016, i was working at the amazon warehouse when my brother passed away. and a couple of years later, my mother passed away. after taking care of them, i knew that i really wanted to become a nurse. amazon helped me with training and tuition. today, i'm a medical assistant and i'm studying to become a registered nurse. in filipino: you'll always be in my heart. this isn't just a walk up the stairs. when you have an irregular heartbeat, it's more. it's dignity. the freedom to go where you want, knowing your doctor can watch over your heart. ♪ encouraging pandemic news. a new study is out today on johnson & johnson's covid-19 vaccine, and the company says that a two-dose version of its vaccine provides 94% protection against symptomatic infection. that puts it right on par with the pfizer and moderna two-dose vaccine regimens. joining me is a professor of infectious diseases at florida national university. good to see you. what's your reaction to this st study? 94% effective against symptomatic infections. >> my reaction, duh. of course anyone who knows basic immunology knows a second dose will bring up efficacy. the johnson & johnson is a vaccine identical almost to the sputnik's first dose that the russians have. of course the russians followed up with a second dose. by lengthening the interval, it's exactly what we would expect to see an efficacy closer to the sputnik and exceeding it because of the increased interval of time between the first dose and the second. >> do you think a study like this, this information, will make fda approval of a booster dose for j&j more likely? >> first of all, i don't consider it a booster. it should always have been a two-dose vaccine. but absolutely. it's the exact thing necessary to authorize a second dose. >> you know, j&j is also saying that adding this second dose to their current one-dose vaccine, it raised immunity as well. there are almost -- i think the number is 15 million americans who have received that single dose of the j&j vaccine. i'm curious what you think all of those millions need to know this morning or what they should be considering this morning with this information. >> that it's time to get their second dose that should have been planned for in the beginning. nonetheless, it's good they have their first dose and now that they're going to get that second shot, which they need in order to get that high level of efficacy -- and not just they need it but our community needs it because the better vaccine efficacy that we have the less transmission that there is. and therefore the less chance of developing a worse variant and better overall protection for our country. >> the american academy of pediatrics is also reporting that 1.1 million new covid cases have been seen among kids in the last five weeks. the weekly numbers are 26 times higher than weekly numbers in june. many of the cases are milder or even asymptomatic, i guess say that's the good news, but is anything short of a vaccine for younger children going to stop this kind of spread that we're now seeing? >> so, the best way of stopping the spread is to give them vaccine. there's no question about that. however, the next best thing is to vaccinate everyone around those children who's eligible for a vaccine and masking and good ventilation followed by appropriate hygiene. >> yeah. dr. marty, thank you very much. always appreciate your time. coming up for us, a doctor publicly admits to violating the new texas abortion ban. that doctor is now being sued. you'll want to hear why these people have decided to sue him. that's next. 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(music) but it will help you an♪ i think to myself ♪fe ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ doctor speaks out publicly even writing a "washington post" op-ed admitting to violating the texas abortion ban. he's now facing two lawsuits, both claiming to be filed by people who oppose the controversial texas abortion law banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. what is going on here? cnn's jessica schneider joins me now with more detail on this. jessica, what are you learning about this? >> reporter: kate, this texas doctor over the weekend wrote this op-ed confessing that he had performed an abortion for a woman who he knew was beyond the state's new limit, knowing that a fetal heartbeat had been detected and the doctor did this precisely because he wanted to get sued since that's the only way here that the new texas law can actually be tested and potentially overturned in the courts, so on saturday this doctor, alan brade, wrote this in the op-ed saying i fully understood that there could be legal consequences, but i wanted to make sure that texas didn't get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested and he says that because the problem here is that this law only gives private citizens the power to enforce t.anyone from anywhere in the country can sue anyone who assists in performing an abortion when the pregnancy is beyond six weeks, so to challenge the premise of the texas law you first need a lawsuit and now we have two of them. one is from a former tax attorney who admits he's opposed to the texas law. the sorry an illinois man who also asserts that the texas law is illegal. now these lawsuits will soon begin to work their way through the courts, and at that point that's when judges may finally be able to stop this law if they find, for example, the lawsuits are properly filed which could be a question since both of these plaintiffs admit they are only suing to stop the law, and if the judge is determined that this texas law in fact violates the precedent that was set under "roe v. wade" from the supreme court that established women have this constitutional right to an abortion prior to viability which is typically between 22 and 24 weeks, so, kate, these two lawsuits that were essentially invited by this doctor, it now sets the stage for these courts to decide if this law is in fact unconstitutional, something that we've been waiting for essentially for three weeks since this law was put into place september 1st. kate? >> so interesting. jessica, thank you for pointing that out for us. appreciate it. thanks for being with us this hour. i'm kate balduan. 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