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going into arms. >> we have three big important tools now. >> i would recommend it to my family. >> there's never been a journey like it. there's never been a journey so successful. we began it together four years ago, and it is far from being over. >> the leader of the republican party, and i hope he is once again the leader of our great country. >> i would know that mbs, his sins are not just the murder of one journalist. if we impose sanctions on the people who carry out the murder, then we look weak when we don't impose similar sanctions on the person who ordered the murder. >> toof knock the biden administration that sent the message to mohammed bin salman that he has immunity. it's the trump administration that did that. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. i'm pamela brown in washington. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. you are live in the cnn newsroom on this sunday evening. we have breaking news here tonight. new york governor andrew cuomo responding to the latest allegations of sexual harassment from a former staff member. they're not the only such accusations against cuomo right now. two women now have come forward claiming the governor's behavior toward them was not appropriate. let's go to cnn's brin jingras right now. what is the governor saying tonight? >> yeah, pam, responding with an apology. but first the most recent allegations reported first by "the new york times." they're coming from a 25-year-old former aide named charlotte bennett who worked with the administration during the pandemic, no longer with the administration. but essentially she said she had a number of interactions with governor cuomo but one in particular sort of changed things for her as she pointed out to "the times" in june. she said she was in the governor's office and he started asking personal questions she shth an older able with like if man. and she told "the times" she interpret these questions as a clear overture for a sexual relationship. well, we had a statement from the governor after this came out yesterday, but he since as you mentioned updated that statement with an apology. i want to read it to you in full. it it says, quote, i never wanted to offend anyone or cause any harm. colleagues are often personal friends. at work some time i think i'm being playful and make jokes, and i do on occasion tease people in what i think is a good naturered way. i do it in public and private. i now understand my interactions may have been insensitive or too personal and some of my comments given my position made others feel in ways i never the intended. to be clear i never inappropriately touched anybody. and i never propositioned anybody and i never intended to make anyone feel uncomfortable, but these are allegations that new yorkers deserve answers to. and that apology pretty much covers the other allegations we saw this week or last week really from a different former aide lindsey boylen. now here's the question of the investigation. because just recently in a new going to turn over all powers that be to the new york attorney general who can then appoint a special private investigator to look into these allegations. well, that was very different from what we heard earlier from the governor today who said he was going to ask the attorney general and also the chief judge in the state's highest court to investigate, which wasn't really kosher with a lot of people. because that particular method wouldn't allow subpoena powers, which you can imagine are very important in this type of investigation. so that he has changed his mind on, and i will just quickly mention that the attorney general said they will hire a law firm, deputize them as attorneys of our office and oversee a rigorous and independent investigation. so that's where we're at right now, pam. you can imagine there's a lot going on in that administration. two separate investigations with harassment now and with that nursing home death data which has been a lot of what the administration has been facing most recently. >> i know you're going to be very busy covering all of this moving forward. brin jingras, thanks for bringing us the latest from new york. and a third covid-19 vaccine has officially arrived. the cdc's director green light means the johnson & johnson single dose vaccine is now cleared for americans over the age of 18. so millions of doses will hit the road starting tonight according to a senior administration official. dr. eric ruben joins me now. he's on the fda vaccine advisory committee and is editor-in-chief of the new england journal of medicine. he's also a harvard professor. thanks for coming on the show. first, let me get your reaction to this. the fact we now have three vaccines at our disposal. what does this development do to the time line in terms of getting back to normal in this country? >> well, i hope it accelerates things. of course, it's just that much better to have more that's available. and there's a kind of new urgency to it. because there are new viral variants coming outright now, with some chance that some of them could eventually become somewhat resistant to the protection provided by vaccines, it's really important to get it out there fast. >> let's talk about that because the cdc says more than 2,000 cases of those concerning coronavirus variants have been reported in the u.s. do we know about how the j & j vaccine will protect against these new variants of covid-19? >> it does appear to protect very well against the most concerning variant, the one in south africa. because part of that trial was done in south africa where the circulating virus was the one that seems to be the most problematic and because it was quite effective there, it suggests that we're still okay. >> all right. and more research as we know is needed for sure on this particular issue. the fda analysis hinted at the j&j vaccine may help prevent asymptomatic infections. how significant with that be? >> that would be very useful. now, remember even a vaccine that prevented severe disease if it turned it into a mild disease, that would be a big accomplishment. if it also protects against asymptomatic disease and therefore prevents transmission, it would be that much better. >> all right, dr. eric rube n, thank you for coming on the show. >> thank you for having me. tonight a heart breaking story to share with you. meet the migrants risking their lives in search of a better life. our matt rivers reports from the mex mexican guatemalan border. >> reporter: the number of migrants lining up has blown the numbers we saw last year. all migrants know how dangerous these treks can be and the proof came just a few hours later in a small village. the group had just been attacked and robbed by armed men left with nothing but their clothes. both brothers were pistol whipped. 14-year-old alfredo with a deep gash on his head. >> and you can see the rest of matt's report later this hour. you will not want to miss that. but first, donald trump is back on the public stage and teasing another run at the white house. our fact checkers tell us he has just made more false claims in one speech at cpac than joe biden has in his first 5 weeks in office. i'll ask trump's former acting homeland security secretary chad wolf what he makes of his old boss spinning lies about the election. be eating lobster thermidor au gratin. really? 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>> again, he lost the last election. the former president also repeated his claim tat the election was rigged and told the audience the supreme court didn't, quote, have the courage to do anything about it. let's go live to orlando now and cnn's doni o'sullivan. you've been there all weekend throughout the cpac conference. how did trump's first post-presidency appearance and his speech resonate with supporters you met with? >> reporter: yeah, hundreds of supporters outside the cpac venue here all day waving flags. and a lot of excitement with the idea that trump might run for president again. a lot of excitement about trying to defeat and primary republicans who are not seen as trump enough. the name liz cheney kept coming up here all weekend. we spoke to some supporters earlier. have a listen. >> why are you here today? >> i'm here to support president trump. hopefully he's going to announce he's going to be running for 2024. also i hope he'll see him more vulnerable so people can see who he really is, maybe tell people how he feels about the election. not so much to focus on it was stolen but it was sad some of the things that happen and we need to move forward as a country. >> do you think it's going to be helpful if he focuses on these false claims the election was stolen? >> they're not false claims but unfortunately we have proven them in the court. but i don't want him to focus on that because people will tune him out. >> we're here because i love president trump. 80 million majors supported president trump in this election. we feel this election was stolen from us. >> reporter: do you think it's important for trump today to come out and condemn the january 6th insurrection. >> i'm not convinced that was -- was started by -- you see how peaceful we are. i'm not convinced yet because there's been no actual investigation done yet. it was assumed that it was us. but all the trump supporters that have been arrested by the fbi and indicted. >> the fbi is a little iffy right now. do you not agree the fbi has had their problems? >> reporter: is there any -- you don't trust the election officials. >> nope. >> you don't trust the fbi. >> nope. >> you don't trust the courts. >> nope. >> who do you trust? >> trump and his supporters. and anybody that has -- that when i listen to them talk they don't turn my stomach with the disingenuousness. >> reporter: so obviously you hear a lot of conspiracy theories there, conspiracy theories about the insurrection. conspiracy theories including some qanon conspiracy theoriesch it was interesting though we did see some qanon flags although some trump supporters didn't want anything to do with that conspiracy theory. but what was also quite interesting was speaking to so many of those supporters here, so many of them were just so happy to be hearing from trump again. they very much feel like they're part of something, this era of populism trump promotes. some of them told us since he's been out of office and they've been unable to read his tweets, they've been quite bored. >> i think someone else you spoke to said they felt loss, they're looking for direction from him. and for mum more on cpac and the fall out from trump's speech let's bring in cnn political dhen co commentator and former republican senator jeff flake. during his speech today trump maintained the gop is in fact united. >> we have the republican party. it's going to unite and be stronger than ever before. i am not starting new party. >> the gop's stronger than ever before and united. is that how you see things? >> no, not at all. we lost the white house. we lost the senate, and two years ago we lost the house. and two years ago we lost more than 400 legislative seats in state legislatures nationwide. so, no, we're not stronger than ever. we have a long way to go if we're going to compete nationally and in some states. >> congressman jim jord jordan the newsiasticly supported trump in his address today. >> he's the leader of the conservative movement, the leader of the america first movement, he's the leader of the republican party. and i hope -- the leader of the conservative movement, the leader of it american first movement, leader of the republican party. and i hope on january 20, 2025, he's once again the leader of our great country. >> you have said that trump is not the future of the party, but cpac's straw poll out today which is not a scientific poll, we should note, found trump was the runwayl to trump still being the future of the party even if that is something you do not want to see? >> no, i thought that after he left office that he would lose power significantly, and he's losing it frankly faster than i thought he would. part of that to do with the deplatforming on twitter. look at this poll. we used to conduct those kind of polls when i was in elected office. we called them polls among paid staff and blood relatives. if you can't garner more than 55% of that cpac group, then that's really a disappointment. so i do think he's losing power. he does still have significant sway, and his endorsement means a lot now. but two years from now it'll mean a lot less, and four years from now even less than that. >> but the reality is he has a massive campaign war chest. he's already taken steps to use it to dole out that money to republican in the mid-terms and beyond. how is your faction of the gop supposed to combat that? >> he has like i said significant sway now, but that is diminishing as time goes on. there was nothing new offered today. it was just a recitation of old grievances. i started to count how many times he said the election was rigged or a fraud. and i lost count somewhere north of a dozen. if you're really not offering anything new, people will tire of it. and that one cpac atetendee saying they were bored, i think that's where a lot of americans will be. and frankly that will be a good thing if we're not looking to washington for our entertainment and everything else. i think that will be a much healthier republican party and politic body in general. >> the house passed the $1.9 trillion covid relief bill on friday and now it moves onto the senate. biden is looking for republican senators to vote for it. he wants it to be a bipartisan effort. republicans have taken up issue with other things like millions of dollars of funding for things like native-american preservation is in this bill. this was a popular bill in the public. >> i think that amendments will be allowed, a significant number of amendments will be allowed. and if republicans are able to win on some of those amendments then i can see some republican support the final product. but it would have to come down significantly from the $1.9 trillion. not to $600 billion or what was offered by the senate republicans, but i would suppose it's going to come down to 1.6 or $1.5 trillion at least. >> quickly, do you still support neera tanden's nomination not being pulled by the white house? >> i do. i hope she is confirmed. i hope it'll just take one republican and you may have more than that. i think she has apologized i i think we ought to move on. >> jeff flake, thank you so much. >> you bet. >> our matt rivers is live near the mexican guatemalan border for us tonight. he has been speaking to migrants undeterred. he joins us next up next. only elves can make cookies this good! keebler® - made with magic, loved by families™. as a cement mason, i use the dove bar... because i work with a lot... of dust and dirt. just washing... the dirt and the grime off... and just bringing you... back...to you. you see the glow? that's a dove bar. dove cleans effectively, cares beautifully. ♪ hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play ♪ ♪ hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid ♪ ♪ and all that glitters is gold ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. the harry's razor is not the same our razors have 5 german-engineered blades designed to stay sharp so you can enjoy lasting comfort and we never upcharge you for high quality harry's. available in store and at harrys.com it was the headline news in 2018 and 2019. people from central america fleeing their native countries and heading to the united states. now more migrants are headed for the u.s. hoping they have a better chance of getting in with the trump administration gone. cnn's matt rivers joins me now from near the border with guatemala. and matt, tell us what are the stories you're hearing from these migrants making such a perilous journey? >> reporter: yeah, pam, there was always the expectation that with lock down measures easing throughout central america with the biden administration coming in, that there would be more migration in this part of the world. but the numbers we're seeing right now are significant. and coming down here it's also a reminder of just how dangerous this trip can be for these migrants as we saw first-hand over the last couple of days. not far from the mexico-guatemala border fielding two full soccer teams is easy because the number of people headed to the united states is surging. carlos, 19, is bound for the u.s., too. he left honduras five days ago with his little brother, 14-year-old -- he says a lot of people not just us decided to leave and migrate and look for a better life. after dark there are among dozens that will spend the night inside the shelter. the number of migrants like these lining up each night to enter the shelter has blown away the numbers that we saw last year. in the first two months of 2021 more migrptsants have already b registered here than all of 2020. the shelter says 5,500 people since just new year's day. the father says people are no longer afraid to leave their countries due to covid. this is moment of humanitarian emergency. the next day carlos and alfredo are among a dozen that setout ota dawn set to work for hours on an overgrown unforgiving landscape. and thousands have just taken similar trips. the number of people apprehended at the u.s. southern border last month higher than the same month in each of the last three years. over three days dozens of migrants told us the reasons for the increase are myriad with poverty chief among them. finding work was always hard but never worse during the pandemic. plus after back-to-back category four hurricanes destroyed entire central american communities in november, tens of thousands were displaced. and as this group of migrants told us, there's another reason, too. it's not a trump white house anymore. this midprnt says it's no longer a racist president because he looked at us like we're animals. the biden administration is trying to end trump's more restrictive immigration policies and says it will admit more asylum seekers, but they've also said now is not the time for migrants to come citing the pandemic and policy changes not yet completed, though that did not dissuade anyone we met saying with biden in charge gives them a better chance of getting in. that's the difference, he says, that suddenly the new president is noble with a good heart. on a break from that day's trek carlos told us they hadn't left for any one reason, poverty, hurricanes, biden, all a part of it. he just remembers his mom crying as they walked away. we asked what she said. she said not to go. it's so sad leaving not knowing if you're going to die. because all migrants know how dangerous these treks can be, and the proof came just a few hours later in a small village. the group had just been attacked and robbed by armed men left with nothing but their clothes. we had a basic medical kit on us, so our producer and i tried to patch them up the best we could. both brothers were pistol whipped. 14-year-old with a deep gash on his head. you can see here the blood in his hat after he was hit with the butt of a pistol, according to the group. now we've given him a bandage. so he says he's in a bit of pain but he's okay for now. but just moments later they had to run. a van fast approaching. so this is mexican immigration and that's why our group here just ran into the woods. we wouldn't find them again until early the next morning. they'd walked more than 12 hours after they fled, exhausted and resting outside of a small shop. we took the moment to ask, is this worth it? carlos said it was, that a better life awaited.re. i don't really know, he says, but wherever my brother is i'll always be there. another half-mile down the tracks they enter another shelter for the night. but for the weary there won't be rest because in the next day or two it will be more trekking through never ending forest. their singular group just one of thousands doing the same. and we brought up to carlos there's of course no guarantee he'll get into the u.s. there might even be a chance him and wilfredo get separated but he said essentially that's a problem down the road. they've got at least another month before getting to the u.s. border, walking through some of the most dangerous parts of mexico. >> a powerful eye opening story. matt rivers, thank you for bringing that to us. former president trump use his speech today to attack president biden for the crisis at the border. trump and his allies also continuing to push the big election lie. chad wolf, the former acting homeland security secretary in the trump administration is with me, and we're going to talk about both of those topics right after this break. this looks different. it is. epic hi-res photos. and 8k video, cinema quality. this is different. told you. priceline works with top hotels, to save you up to 60%. these are all great. and when you get a big deal... you feel like a big deal. ♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal. that's why at america's beverage companies, our bottles are made to be re-made. not all plastic is the same. we're carefully designing our bottles to be one hundred percent recyclable, including the caps. they're collected and separated from other plastics, so they can be turned back into material that we use to make new bottles. that completes the circle, and reduces plastic waste. please help us get every bottle back. sfx: [sounds of everyday life events, seen and heard in reverse] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ sfx: [sounds of fedex planes and vehicles engines] ♪ sfx: [sounds of children laughing and running, life moving forward] (announcer) carvana's had a lot of firsts. 100% online car buying. sfx: [sounds of children laughing and running, car vending machines. and now, putting you in control of your financing. at carvana, get personalized terms, browse for cars that fit your budget, then customize your down payment and monthly payment. and these aren't made-up numbers. it's what you'll really pay, right down to the penny. whether you're shopping or just looking. it only takes a few seconds, and it won't affect your credit score. finally! a totally different way to finance your ride. only from carvana. the new way to buy a car. we have a very sick and corrupt electoral process that must be fixed immediately. this election was rigged. >> so that was former president trump a short time ago. i'm sure you recognize him. he was leaning on his false rhetoric about the 2020 election during his return to the political stage at cpac. i am now joined by former acting homeland security secretary under trump and visiting fellow at the heritage foundation, chad wolf. thanks for coming on, chad. >> thanks for having me. >> so as we just saw there, your former boss continues to push this big election lie that he actually won when he didn't, we know. your department found no issues with the election, so what is your response to trump and republican lawmakers who are still propagating this lie? >> well, i think it's important to be clear about what dhs found and didn't find after the election. the department is very much in control of and our responsibilities regarding the election had to do with cyber and making sure that the election was free of any foreign influence, and of course we did that. what president trump has talked about since election day and continues to talk about is more of the election fraud and how perhaps different individual states change their voting procedures and not go into their state legislature. those two issues the department of homeland security has almost no oversight on. so i think it's important to know what they say at the time. >> there's a difference between systems and foreign interference and fraud. there were two different lawsuits before the election on the rule changes that went into the state legislatures after there were more than 60 republicans and also there was no widespread fraud. what was your reaction? >> i have not seen any information, any data that said that the election would have turned out differently, but i think what the president has talked about and what i think the vast majority of americans see that there is some fraud inherent in our voting system and it needs to be addressed before the next mid-term and certainly before the next presidential election. >> i don't know if it's fair to say that a vast majority believes there's fraud inherent in the system. the percentage of fraud based on i believe heritage database is less than 0.001%. >> again, i think you -- two different issues here. so we have the fraud, and then we have the different voting systems that were in place because of the covid restricts and how those change at the last minute. again i think you're conflating two different issues. good crime not conflating. >> separately there are issues that need to be addressed before we make election changes at the last minute. >> that's all been litigated. i don't want to belabor this. there were machines and these rule changes litigated ad nauseam, but that's not to say you can't have a robust debate moving forward. i want to turn really quick to the capitol riot. you have said the responsibility for security at the u.s. capitol is with capitol police, but this is how former capitol police chief steven sund testified this week. >> a clear lack of accurate and complete intelligence across several federal agencies contribute to this event and not poor planning by the united states capitol police. >> soy he also talked about dhs not raising the alert level and as we know you didn't declare it as a national security event that would have called for security protection. what do you have to say to that sph. >> again all the information i have and the intelligence i saw sort of contradicts what the former police chief was saying there, and i think you have a number of -- this is a failure of imagination and making sure there was not proper planning done at th wasn't well executed. whether it was not having enough officers or not putting enough protective measures in place prior to that event. all i can say what we did at the department knowing you had a very large rally on january 6th that was coming. we put measures in place for dhs protected facilities around the national capitol region inside of d.c. and i know national park police did the same as well as other law enforcement agencies. why the capitol police did not take that extra step again is part of the investigation. >> basically it sounds like what you're saying is dhs did everything right. you told abc news after the fact that you knew of the threat, up to 35,000 people were coming to the district. you also said in this report from october that domestic violent extremists pose a significant threat that, quote, probably will depend on political or social issues. in this case they were broadcasting in chat rooms what they were going to do ahead of time. so why wasn't more done by dhs? what can be learned from this by the department? of course law enforcement agencies are going back to scrutinize. what about dhs? >> well, sure. i think all law enforcement agencies need to take a hard look at what they did leading up to the 6th and certainly on the day of. what i can tell you from the department is the information we have, the intelligence that we receive from the department of justice and others did not indicate that they were storming the capitol, not the information that i received. we had general intelligence to say that there was going to be a very large group, 25,000 to 30,000 folks likely to be counterprotests and that's the way we were gearing up. we'd seen really before the election day and after the election day. so we knew what was coming. this idea that you didn't have any idea of the magnitude of the event is just a false narrative out there. again, it's why we surged in individuals, dhs law enforcement and why we had national guard on standby. they were deployed elsewhere in the city for a variety of different reasons. and whether or not the capitol police had enough officers i think that, again, will be part of the investigation. but i think a really hard look needs to be at what plans and procedures did the capitol police have to defend the capitol, and were those sufficient or not? >> just help me understand this a little bit, and you point out, look, we didn't have anything specific, hey, we're going to storm the capitol, but you did say there was a failure of imagination. and that i imagine would be shared by all law enforcement. but at the same time we'd seen examples in michigan when armed protesters had stormed the statehouse and tried to go on the floor and so forth. you had told abc that after the riot that you knew of the threat and had planned for the worst. but for "the wall street journal" obtained a dhs intelligence national summary from january 5th that said, quote, nothing significant to report. the fbi, on the other hand, its norfolk field office shared a bulletin there was concerning chatter extremists were planning to travel to washington to commit violence and war. how is that not a massive law enforcement and intelligence failure? >> again, i don't see your exact point. what i would say is that the information we received, dhs, and again we collect most of our intelligence we are a consumer of intelligence from the intelligence community, and then we'll do some open source reporting as well. i know the bureau obviously a different law enforcement agencies has their own ways of getting information and we'll pass that along as well. but this idea you're the capitol police or any other law enforcement agency inside d.c., and again we're on multiple phone calls leading up to the 6th, the 3rd, the 4th, the 5th along the metropolitan police department all sharing the information we have at the time which is 35,000, 45,000 folks coming, likely going to be violent, counterprotests, everyone that's what your job is as a law enforcement agency is to plan for the worst hoping it never comes. that's what we did at the department. i think that's what others did. that's what the investigation or review will find on whether or not capitol police did that or they backed off on some of their measures for a variety of different reasons that i think we'll have to see. >> we have to move on because of time. i think there's still some open questions too about what you laid about why the threat level wasn't raised. all of this will be looked at. it's important to hear your perspective as someone leading dhs at that time, but there will be a 9/11-style commission looking at all this so this conversation will continue. but i appreciate you laying out your side of the story. i want to get to immigration before we let you go because you were of course at trump dhs. you were working for keirsten nielsen when the child separation policy went into effect. lawyers say that more than 500 children separated during the trump administration have not been reunited with their parents. does that still weigh on you at all? >> what i can tell you it's been 2 1/2 years since the zero-tolerance policy ended, and in those 2 1/2 years the department working with a number of non-profit and others have gone back to look for parents, look for the children, reunite them as we could. what i will tell you is many of those parents obviously had been deported back to central america or had chosen to keep their children here in the u.s. so i think we need to realize -- >> so you say many. how many? because you've said that before. where are you getting that information and can you be more specific on how many -- >> it's in the court filings. the department of justice in that court proceeding, again 2 1/2 years old lays out have been been contacted, how many have been located, how many have chosen to allow their childrene states. and of course at the beginning of your segment you talked about, you know, the dangerous journey. and that's what's concerning to me right now is that you have -- you have some rhetoric. you have some policies and executive orders that are pushing children -- pushing families into the hands of smugglers and traffickers trying to take this very dangerous journey up here to the southwest border in hopes they'll remain in the u.s. as their immigration proceeding goes forward. again, a lot of different and dangerous things occurring right now. >> and we are seeing a concerning rise in the number of unaccompanied migrant children crossing the border. chad wolf, thank you for coming on. i hope that we can continue this discussion on these important topics. >> all right, thank you. and you are in the cnn newsroom. bu loan you, the food capital of italy, home to some of the most globally reknowned food and stanley tucci tells me all about it up next. with 1/4 moisturizing cream. dove cleans effectively, cares beautifully. what do you look for when you trade? 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