credit built up by people paying for the energy using monthly direct debits can be a good thing. it helps customers budget and smooth out higher winter bills with lower someone is to keep costs the same all year round. but too much or excessive credit and, crucially, customers not getting it back when they ask for it is a problem. just over a month — they ask for it is a problem. just over a month ago _ they ask for it is a problem. just over a month ago i _ they ask for it is a problem. jut over a month ago i asked for £500 of my £1400 credit back, because the system shown on the supply�*s website seemed so simple and so straightforward and so customer friendly that i thought it was the right thing to do. unfortunately, after numerous e—mails i haven't even had an acknowledgement, let alone any response to whether they agree to let me have my own money back. jn agree to let me have my own money back. , ., , ., back. in the first three months of this ear back. in the first three months of this year and _ back. in the first three months of this year and supplies _ back. in the first three months of this year and supplies held - back. in the first three months of this year and supplies held more| this year and supplies held more than eight billion pounds of customers money in the form of credit on people's account. during the same period, customers owed nearly £2 billion. now a former non— executive director of the regulator ofgem says this system of credit needs looking at. jt’s needs looking at. it's understandable - needs looking at. it's understandable that l needs looking at. jt�*s understandable that some money is held in credit balances, but eight million at a time when it is maximum energy usage in the middle of a cold winter? that's wrong. the time needs to be defined and ofgem need to set down a really proper, tight hard rule on what timely refund of balances is, would suggest 30 days a maximum. , , , ., , maximum. energy uk, it swings was ablaze, so maximum. energy uk, it swings was ablaze. so that _ maximum. energy uk, it swings was ablaze, so that when _ maximum. energy uk, it swings was ablaze, so that when that _ maximum. energy uk, it swings was ablaze, so that when that £8 - maximum. energy uk, it swings was ablaze, so that when that £8 billion | ablaze, so that when that £8 billion were held prices were extremely volatile, the level of government help was unknown, and it is not meaningful to compare credit and debt. regulator ofgem, meanwhile, says it has strengthened the rules around direct debit to stop excess credit buildup, having customers having the right to us about whenever they want and if they are not happy they can supply to their supplier and then the energy ombudsman. dan whitworth, bbc news. we are going to talk about that much more throughout the programme this morning and some top tips for you if you have money with your energy firm and you want to able to get back it back more quickly. we will talk about it quickly but now naga was looking at the rest of the stories. funerals are taking place in the ukrainian village where 52 people, including a child, were killed by a single russian missile strike. it happened in the kharkiv region on thursday. the united nations has dispatched investigators to determine if it was a war crime. our ukraine correspondentjames waterhouse has been to the village, where every family is in mourning. a symbol of innocence. against a backdrop of desperation. this playground is now the site of a deadly puzzle. it's the retrieval phase — listing, identifying who or what is left. ukraine is certain this wasn't just an act of war, but a war crime. translation: after investigation we can say it was a deliberate - attack on civilians. i can't tell how they choose the targets because i don't understand their logic. the kremlin says it always targets military sites. we saw no evidence suggesting that this was one. here's what's left of the cafe. it's a deep wound, it's a picture of finality. you see the shop next door has been blown through as well. for a moment hroza, meaning "thunderstorm", lived up to its name. some reminders of what happened might be washed away, but this small community has already been damaged. in the evening, this woman tells us she was here, at home, when she heard the explosion. translation: i ran out of the yard and saw a plume of smoke. - my husband rushed there. he came back and said our children are gone. our son—in—law was found dead but our daughter was still alive when emergency workers arrived. she told one of them, herfriend, take me out, take me out. that's it, those were her last words. who would return my children to me? who? lyubov and her community's pain is palpable. her village is a darker place. james waterhouse, bbc news, hroza, kharkiv region. israel has come under attack overnight by both rockets and gunmen. dozens of rockets were fired from the gaza strip, with air raid sirens sounding across the south of israel and tel aviv area. the israeli defence force's have also confirmed a number of what it calls terrorists have infiltrated israel from gaza. the office of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said security chiefs are set to meet as a result of the violence. a 36—year—old man has appeared in court, charged with plotting to kidnap and murder the tv presenter holly willoughby. gavin plumb, from harlow in essex, was remanded in custody and will attend a plea hearing at chelmsford crown court next month. holly willoughby hasn't appeared on this morning since wednesday, and itv says it's providing full support to her and herfamily, the government has apologised and ordered an inquiry after admitting it miscalculated its funding plans, meaning schools in england will get less money than promised next year. head teachers leaders said it was a frustrating mistake as the school budgets were already planned. the former transport secretary, chris grayling, has announced he will stand down as an mp at the next election. he said he made the decision after prostate cancer treatment which — while successful — has made him realise it's time for a change after 22 years in parliament. scientists are warning there's been a record number of days this year where global temperatures have gone above a key threshold for dangerous climate change. data show that the average worldwide temperature exceeded 1.5 celsius above pre—industrial levels on 1 in 3 days. our environment correspondent matt mcgrath has more on this. rising temperatures are having a profound effect on our planet this year. shrinking sea ice in antarctica is posing problems for penguins and as fires took hold once again in tenerife following record spanish heat in september, scientists said they were gobsmacked by the scale of the jumping global temperatures. now the bbc data team has found that the number of days that have breached the 1.5c temperature threshold is also a record breaker. in 2015 in paris, political leaders agreed to permanently tackle climate change. a key element is keeping the rising global temperatures under 1.5 degrees this century. but a bbc analysis shows that that in the year to date, one in three days were above the limit. permanently breaching the threshold will take decades, climate scientists say that all these days over the level are a clear sign of things to come. this is a really like pre—warning for people to understand that if we have extreme events based on exceeding 1.5 for a few days here and there what will it be like on the longer term? it is a scarier story but it is better to be more prepared. we need to be more resilient and adapt quicker and deal with the root cause of what is causing the warming that we can do something about. while the root cause is the ongoing human emissions of warming gases, another element driving up temperatures is el nino. this natural event sees heat surge from the pacific ocean into the atmosphere and scientists say its impact is now growing stronger. they believe that this combination will likely see 2023 gain the unwelcome title of warmest year on record. matt mcgrath, bbc news. now how about this for a tough job. take a look at these pictures. 18 trying to resurface a road in scarborough —— are team. someone forgot to move their car. jt is scarborough -- are team. someone forgot to move their car.— forgot to move their car. it is when the 'ob forgot to move their car. it is when the job just — forgot to move their car. it is when the job just has _ forgot to move their car. it is when the job just has to _ forgot to move their car. it is when the job just has to be _ forgot to move their car. it is when the jobjust has to be done - forgot to move their car. it is when the jobjust has to be done and - forgot to move their car. it is when the jobjust has to be done and it l the job just has to be done and it will get done. j the jobjust has to be done and it will get done-— will get done. i don't understand wh the will get done. i don't understand why they can't — will get done. i don't understand why they can't just _ will get done. i don't understand why they can'tjust move - will get done. i don't understand why they can'tjust move the - will get done. i don't understand | why they can'tjust move the car. but we don't understand. council official said they could not legally move it so staff will have to return to work to complete the work at a later date. ., to work to complete the work at a later date-— to work to complete the work at a later date. ., . ., , ., later date. how much easier would have been if— later date. how much easier would have been if you _ later date. how much easier would have been if you could _ later date. how much easier would have been if you could just - later date. how much easier would have been if you could just do - later date. how much easier would have been if you could just do the l have been if you could just do the whole thing. but now they have to go back and fix it afterwards. $1150. whole thing. but now they have to go back and fix it afterwards.— back and fix it afterwards. also, i want to see _ back and fix it afterwards. also, i want to see the _ back and fix it afterwards. also, i want to see the person _ back and fix it afterwards. also, i want to see the person who - back and fix it afterwards. also, i want to see the person who will i back and fix it afterwards. also, i - want to see the person who will come back and collect that car. it will be a proper walk of shame. that is exactly the right phrase. walk of shame. do you think matt has ever done that? good morning. morning. no. they will do after this forecast. a very good morning to you. it is a focus on the love and some will heed today. a huge contrast to start your weekend under way. warmerfor many, especially the further south you are. a big impact on the weather across puzzle scotland today with some very wet conditions. let me just showers you what's going on, this strip of cloud separates what is warm air coming all the way from to cool air trying to push down from the north and that's really fuelling this weather front to produce very heavy rainfall. there is a met office amber warning out for heavy rain across parts of scotland to the north and west of glasgow all the way towards fort william. as already having an impact on rail services, they are cancelled from glasgow and for william and perth and inverness as well. the could be further flooding, land slips as well throughout the day. keep a close eye on your travel plans and on what's actually happening out there. you can see the extent of the rain of the next few hours, almost all of aina scotland. the far north is a bit aina scotland. the far north is a bhdw aina scotland. the far north is a bit dry and there is sunshine to be found in the shuttler. rain in north coast of northern ireland, cumbria, at the moment. rosales and ngoza bill bratton. make your own some of the codes. increasing amounts of sunshine, even if it is a little hazy in places. the temperatures will start to rise. except across scotland. the rains it's in place, still heavy in the areas covered by that amber warning. because the temperature there are no degrees in aberdeen, only six or seven across aberdeenshire, contrast that with the spells further south any damages widely around 20— 25 degrees. a pretty warm won for curbing the southern half of the country. tonight stays dry with the mist and fog patches. watch out for some sea fog patches. watch out for some sea fog in the irish sea. heaviest rain across central and so the parts of scotland which does to edge its way further north with. temperatures, no real concern tonight, fairly mild. into sunday, the weather front is starting to ship north. a good start to reinvigorate a little bit, this time in the northern half of scotland. this is where we see the heaviest rain on sunday. could outbreaks of rain further south, if few showers in northern ireland, maybe the far north of england, most will have a dry day, pete more cloud and eastern counties through tomorrow and the risk of see fog throughout the rest of wales. tabbita controls around, 25 in the southeast corner, not at school across scotland tomorrow as it will be today. and beyond that, we continue with the warmth across southern counties of the country but we will eventually see some rain sweepers way southwards and is was with us all feeling was more like october by the time we get to thursday. forthe october by the time we get to thursday. for the next few days across scotland more heavy rain to come. but you both. it really does feel like a north—south divide for those temperatures right now. north-south divide for those temperatures right now. completely. we will talk more _ temperatures right now. completely. we will talk more later. _ temperatures right now. completely. we will talk more later. it _ temperatures right now. completely. we will talk more later. it is - temperatures right now. completely. we will talk more later. it is 19 - we will talk more later. it is 19 minutes past _ we will talk more later. it is 19 minutes past six. _ let's take a look at today's papers. and many of the front pages lead with policies that will be discussed at the labour party conference. -- 13. the guardian quotes deputy leader angela rayner, who says a labour government would oversee the "biggest boost in affordable housing in england in a generation". we'll be speaking to her at 8:30. the times says labour will warn the nhs must "modernise or die". the paper reports the party would double the number of scanners in hospitals to give thousands more patients faster access to live—saving treatment. the express leads with the alleged plot to kill the tv presenter holly willoughby, reporting that a security guard, gavin plumb, has appeared in court accused of soliciting to commit her murder. the sun, and stop gear is the headline in the sun as it reports the bbc has axed top gear ten months after host freddie flintoff was injured in a car crash while filming. bbc, right now that story is speculation, if we have any updates, we will let you know. matt speculation, if we have any updates, we will let you know.— we will let you know. matt was talkin: we will let you know. matt was talking about _ we will let you know. matt was talking about the _ we will let you know. matt was talking about the weather, - we will let you know. matt wasj talking about the weather, and obviously people will go out and enjoy the sunshine if they want to, the last bit of summer sun for the year, be careful because even though people are going to go to the beach probably, there are fewer lifeguards on duty at the moment, now that summer has officially ended, so it's just a warning, just be careful. they only get employed for a set period? they only get employed for a set eriod? , ., ., .,' . they only get employed for a set eriod? , ., ., . , period? the sea front office is addin: period? the sea front office is adding more _ period? the sea front office is adding more beach _ period? the sea front office is adding more beach patrols, i period? the sea front office is. adding more beach patrols, but period? the sea front office is - adding more beach patrols, but the tourist board is saying just be careful, the one in cornwall saying do be mindful of it, because there are fewer on duty. you do be mindful of it, because there are fewer on duty.— do be mindful of it, because there are fewer on duty. you would expect there would — are fewer on duty. you would expect there would be _ are fewer on duty. you would expect there would be not _ are fewer on duty. you would expect there would be not much _ are fewer on duty. you would expect there would be not much need - are fewer on duty. you would expect there would be not much need for. there would be not much need for lifeguards on beaches in mid—october. lifeguards on beaches in mid-october.— lifeguards on beaches in mid-october. ., ., ., lifeguards on beaches in mid-october. �* ., ., ., ., mid-october. are you an avocado on toast person? _ mid-october. are you an avocado on toast person? not _ mid-october. are you an avocado on toast person? not really. _ mid-october. are you an avocado on toast person? not really. you - mid-october. are you an avocado on toast person? not really. you are . toast person? not really. you are not trendy _ toast person? not really. you are not trendy if _ toast person? not really. you are not trendy if you _ toast person? not really. you are not trendy if you are _ toast person? not really. you are not trendy if you are having - toast person? not really. you are i not trendy if you are having avocado on toast anymore. x�*t�*ou not trendy if you are having avocado on toast anymore.— not trendy if you are having avocado on toast anymore. you were dying for me to say yes- -- _ on toast anymore. you were dying for me to say yes--- i— on toast anymore. you were dying for me to say yes... i already _ me to say yes... i already know you are not trendy- _ me to say yes... i already know you are not trendy. peas _ me to say yes... i already know you are not trendy. peas on _ me to say yes... i already know you are not trendy. peas on toast. - 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"tt2 hashtag peas on toast, 3.3 million views on tiktok and the restaurants now serving smashed po alternatives. this makes me think, avocados are expensive so you think they are retreat. , ., ., ., ., retreat. they are good for the environment _ retreat. they are good for the environment as _ retreat. they are good for the environment as well. - retreat. they are good for the environment as well. just - retreat. they are good for the | environment as well. just grab retreat. they are good for the - environment as well. just grab some eas out environment as well. just grab some peas out of— environment as well. just grab some peas out of the _ environment as well. just grab some peas out of the freezer, _ environment as well. just grab some peas out of the freezer, much - peas out of the freezer, much cheaper to do it at home. what are you paying for peas on toast! ? when you paying for peas on toast! ? when you talk about avocados requiring somewhat water to grow, the british growers association says there are 700 peak growers in britain is 90% self—sufficient for the project, so it probably is more environmentally friendly, but if anyone has had peas on toast, get in touch, and you have bought it, ijust wonder how much it is, avocado on toast is expensive. do you mean at a restaurant? yes! who would — do you mean at a restaurant? yes! who would have _ do you mean at a restaurant? yes! who would have thought _ do you mean at a restaurant? t'2s�*z who would have thought it, do you mean at a restaurant? t23�*z who would have thought it, long do you mean at a restaurant? t23i who would have thought it, long time ago, i tell you you would have thought really, avocados and toast, and now it's peas on toast. anything on toast is good. _ nearly three weeks ago on breakfast, we introduced you to three mums who were about to start a walk from cheshire to kent in memory of their sons who all died by suicide. well after more than 200 miles, a few tears, and a lot of support along the way, they're nearly there. they're due to finish tomorrow in sandwich. breakfast'sjohn maguire caught up with them as they reached london. we've got this lady is. are we there et? we've got this lady is. are we there yet? wherever _ we've got this lady is. are we there yet? wherever they _ we've got this lady is. are we there yet? wherever they have _ we've got this lady is. are we there yet? wherever they have been - we've got this lady is. are we there yet? wherever they have been overj yet? wherever they have been over the ast yet? wherever they have been over the past two _ yet? wherever they have been over the past two weeks _ yet? wherever they have been over the past two weeks of _ yet? wherever they have been over the past two weeks of walking, - yet? wherever they have been over the past two weeks of walking, the | the past two weeks of walking, the three months have also been talking, to each other, to their friends and family travelling with them, and other people affected by suicide and mental health issues. they tell their stories, mental health issues. they tell theirstories, but mental health issues. they tell their stories, but so important to them, also, the stories of their sons, all three lost to suicide. michelle's son max was 17 when he died. 50 michelle's son max was 17 when he died, ., , michelle's son max was 17 when he died. ., , , ., died. so at peace with himself, and the scary thing _ died. so at peace with himself, and the scary thing is. _ died. so at peace with himself, and the scary thing is, and _ died. so at peace with himself, and the scary thing is, and people - died. so at peace with himself, and the scary thing is, and people don'tj the scary thing is, and people don't like to hear it but if max did it, anyone can, and that is my message really. fit. anyone can, and that is my message reall . �* ., ., anyone can, and that is my message reall.�* ., ., ,, anyone can, and that is my message reall.�* ., ., anyone can, and that is my message reall. ., ., ., really. a london cabbie has come to wish them well, _ really. a london cabbie has come to wish them well, he _ really. a london cabbie has come to wish them well, he volunteers - really. a london cabbie has come to wish them well, he volunteers with | really. a london cabbie has come to| wish them well, he volunteers with a group called the proper blokes club, they too promote the value of walking and talking. what you think about what the mums are doing? brilliant. my dad committed suicide and to lose a son is just heart—wrenching. they are brilliant neighbours, and the three dads walking, it's good, it's getting more and more publicity, we need to talk about suicide. thea;r more and more publicity, we need to talk about suicide.— talk about suicide. they have covered around _ talk about suicide. they have covered around two-thirds i talk about suicide. they have covered around two-thirds of talk about suicide. they have - covered around two-thirds of the 265 covered around two—thirds of the 265 mile track, taking in their home towns in visiting schools, from staffordshire to northampton and london, and then onto kent. inspired ljy london, and then onto kent. inspired by the success of the three dads before them, the suicide prevention charity papyrus has now brought three more families together, and so they drop in to say hello. the three more families together, and so they drop in to say hello.— they drop in to say hello. the walk is to raise awareness _ they drop in to say hello. the walk is to raise awareness and - they drop in to say hello. the walk is to raise awareness and funds . they drop in to say hello. the walkj is to raise awareness and funds for papyrus, so it is sensible, we not passing far from the root so we decided would make contact and see if we could call into the office and give all the support we could, so we are here, still marching on, what they are doing to raise funds is going to make such a difference. it means more prevention training, more people _ means more prevention training, more people calling a helpline, and if we can get— people calling a helpline, and if we can get more volunteers, they can go out and _ can get more volunteers, they can go out and raise — can get more volunteers, they can go out and raise awareness as well, it's huge — out and raise awareness as well, it's hue. ., it's huge. their boy are with them every step. _ it's huge. their boy are with them every step. they _ it's huge. their boy are with them every step, they say, _ it's huge. their boy are with them every step, they say, and - it's huge. their boy are with them every step, they say, and they - it's huge. their boy are with them l every step, they say, and they wear their pictures around their necks. this is liz's son, it's a difficult day for kim, london is where her son aidan took his life, she will visit the scene for the first time, but herfamily are by her side. we the scene for the first time, but her family are by her side. we are all here to — her family are by her side. we are all here to represent _ her family are by her side. we are all here to represent hayden, - her family are by her side. we are all here to represent hayden, andj all here to represent hayden, and they are going to put flowers down, it's his little day today. of all the walk, this was the day i was apprehensive about, but i have my family here, and it means a lot, they will get me through, they will hold me up. they will get me through, they will hold me up-_ they will get me through, they will hold me up. walking with the three mums today _ hold me up. walking with the three mums today are — hold me up. walking with the three mums today are the _ hold me up. walking with the three mums today are the two _ hold me up. walking with the three mums today are the two jamie's, i mums today are the two jamie's, aidan's best friend and one of his brothers. his aidan's best friend and one of his brothers. , 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this is in your room? do you miss him. they knew it was never going to be a walk in a park, unless the park is 265 miles wide, but despite what they described as blisters upon blisters and antibiotics for infected toes, they complete yet another day. infected toes, they complete yet another day-— infected toes, they complete yet anotherda . , another day. epsom salts, bath, feet u -. another day. epsom salts, bath, feet u. is not another day. epsom salts, bath, feet up- is not very _ another day. epsom salts, bath, feet up- is not very sexy _ another day. epsom salts, bath, feet up. is not very sexy with _ another day. epsom salts, bath, feet up. is not very sexy with the - another day. epsom salts, bath, feet up. is not very sexy with the end - another day. epsom salts, bath, feet up. is not very sexy with the end on | up. is not very sexy with the end on sunday inside, these are now often saw and often small steps for the three mums, but their determination and their message of hope are proving to be giant leaps for suicide prevention.- proving to be giant leaps for suicide prevention. john maguire, bbc news, _ suicide prevention. john maguire, bbc news, london. _ and we will of course check in with them as they prepared to finish their walk. if you have been affected by any of the issues raised, help is available from bbc action line — just visit bbc.co.uk/actionline 22 minutes past six, and we are celebrating a brilliant woman this morning,. we celebrating a brilliant woman this mornin: ,. ~ ., ., celebrating a brilliant woman this mornin~,. ~ ., ., ., celebrating a brilliant woman this mornin-,. ., ., ., morning,. we have one of those goat moments for — morning,. we have one of those goat moments for you. _ morning,. we have one of those goat moments for you, simone _ morning,. we have one of those goat moments for you, simone biles - morning,. we have one of those goat moments for you, simone biles has l moments for you, simone biles has just read jo reposted a picture of her goat on her social media channels. talk about the greatest ever though. channels. talk about the greatest everthough. she channels. talk about the greatest ever though. she has more olympic medals than any other fit athlete, male or female, medals than any other fit athlete, male orfemale, but medals than any other fit athlete, male or female, but she medals than any other fit athlete, male orfemale, but she had a two—year break as well and to come backin two—year break as well and to come back in gymnastics, with the pressure that is on, and no room for error in gymnastics, it's so precise, to do that after a two year break and still be a world champion... break and still be a world champion. . ._ break and still be a world chamion... ., , . champion... her mental resilience, i mean obviously _ champion... her mental resilience, i mean obviously have _ champion... her mental resilience, i mean obviously have physical - mean obviously have physical progress is unbeaten, but her mental resilience as something to be admired. �* ., , ~ , admired. and only 26! so there is more to come. _ 20 years after first trying gymnastics on a day care trip when she was just six, simone biles now has more medals, world and olympic, than any other gymnast ever, male or female. her 34th coming in the women's all—round final at the latest world championships in antwerp. our reporter, natalie pirks is there. its gold for simone biles! the most decorated, venerated, _ its gold for simone biles! the most decorated, venerated, quite - its gold for simone biles! the most decorated, venerated, quite simplyj decorated, venerated, quite simply the greatest. simone biles sword into a class of her own and she did it with her trademark style was more. the smallest figure, but the biggest cheer, a box office in belton, her bolts got the party started. at the halfway stage she was leading and it was clear she was enjoying herself. the reigning champion from brazil was not going down without a fight.— champion from brazil was not going down without a fight. that's how you land! but where _ down without a fight. that's how you land! but where others _ down without a fight. that's how you land! but where others faulted, - land! but where others faulted, simone biles _ land! but where others faulted, simone biles was _ land! but where others faulted, simone biles was focused. - land! but where others faulted, simone biles was focused. a i land! but where others faulted, - simone biles was focused. a medal of any colour here make simone biles the most decorated in most of in the history of the sport, male or female. she is going to leave it all out on the floor. as the audience clapped along, she showed she is human after all, she could afford a smirk, it was still in the bad. her 2ist smirk, it was still in the bad. her 21st world gold.— 21st world gold. today i felt a bit more relaxed, _ 21st world gold. today i felt a bit more relaxed, comfortable - 21st 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scotland, this is it. they have beat the world's number one ranked team to have any chance of staying in france, as katie gornall reports. france and scotland have a shared history. if you're looking, you can find hence a bit on the streets of paris. centuries ago they form the old alliance to help each other in times of war, but here and now, the scots are facing a very different battle. tb. scots are facing a very different battle. �* tt t t tt scots are facing a very different battle. �* .t t t ., ., ., ., battle. a massive game for scotland, this is our world _ battle. a massive game for scotland, this is our world cup _ battle. a massive game for scotland, this is our world cup final. _ battle. a massive game for scotland, this is our world cup final. of - this is our world cup final. of scotland do pull this off, what atmosphere will be like? it scotland do pull this off, what atmosphere will be like? it will be incredible, this _ atmosphere will be like? it will be incredible, 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against ireland does not inspire confidence. defeat at this year's six nations was a row. for scotland, something needs to change. it use something needs to change. if we lose the game _ something needs to change. if we lose the game we're _ something needs to change. if we lose the game we're we _ something needs to change. it "22 lose the game we're we are something needs to change. it m2 lose the game we're we are going home but we have been written off, we have faced the top two teams in the world, but fast, we're not going to die wondering. this the world, but fast, we're not going to die wondering.— to die wondering. this game here in the south of — to die wondering. this game here in the south of france _ to die wondering. this game here in the south of france has _ to die wondering. this game here in the south of france has had - to die wondering. this game here in the south of france has had so - to die wondering. this game here ml the south of france has had so many permutations and play. for scotland, they need to win by a least eight points and stop ireland from picking up points and stop ireland from picking up a four try bonus point, meaning there are several ways that ireland can lose and still go through but this team does not think about the feet. after smashing through south africa last time out, ireland are under 16 test winning streak and this will be extra special for peter ramadi, centre when his 100th, but a note to the media, don't make a fuss of it. t t, t note to the media, don't make a fuss of it. , t, , t, , note to the media, don't make a fuss ofit. , t, , of it. this would be the last place i would of it. this would be the last place i would sit _ of it. this would be the last place i would sit in _ of it. this would be the last place i would sit in front _ of it. this would be the last place i would sit in front of, _ of it. this would be the last place i would sit in front of, but - of it. this would be the last place i would sit in front of, but i - of it. this would be the last place i would sit in front of, but i wantl i would sit in front of, but i want to when the weekend.— i would sit in front of, but i want to when the weekend. whales already throu . h, to when the weekend. whales already throu:h, a to when the weekend. whales already through. a point— to when the weekend. whales already through, a point against _ to when the weekend. whales already through, a point against georgia - to when the weekend. whales already through, a point against georgia and l through, a point against georgia and they will top the group. sounds simple but a year ago, it was george who came out on top. england too at their place in the quarter—final secured, in the meantime, the captain is one kick from history, two points from owen farrell against samoa would make him england's record points score a. right now, it's about keeping their eyes on the prize. world cup hosts france produced a remarkable performance to beat italy by 60 points to 7 to ensure they win their pool. the hosts scored eight tries, damian penaud with two of them, to secure a bonus point. it means france win pool a, with new zealand going through as runners up. south africa, ireland or scotland will be the opponents in the quarter finals. french fans are celebrating in rugby league. former england captain sam tomkins, who will retire at the end of the season, scoring their only try with just moments remaining in the game. defeat for saints also marks the end of a record—breaking career forjames roby, as adam wild reports. in france, a farewell party that no—one really wanted. defeat in the semi—final would be the season's full stop for some that stop would be final. few players have burned brighter than catalans sam tomkins, and he was desperate for a not to all and here. as sentiment shared by st helens james roby, another of the game's rate, whose career is reaching the and. scenes, the first stride, will have a wide day finding a little space, but it was all he needed. penalties catalan level with the scores, just minutes remaining. pressure, drama, is what the occasion deserved. one final act to prolong his super league stay. an astonishing finish, in a career that won't finish here, the night that became suddenly saints and ruby's farewell party. a grand final, and one last dance. there are six premier league matches later with spurs, chelsea and manchester united all in action. the ver officials said they will consult with one another and notify the referee before making a decision of the purchase. after liverpool were denied a legitimate goal last weekend, the video assistant referee will be firmly in the spotlight. of course the subject has been the talk of all the pre— match press conferences. it was a mistake, except it. it's always difficult, humans make mistakes, but machines have to avoid it, and var is there to minimise the human mistakes, and the mistakes we do, we do. it happens, it was a mistake, so hopefully it is finished here and getting better, improving from that. i trust in the var, i trust not in the car— i trust in the var, i trust not in the car but _ i trust in the var, i trust not in the car but the driver, that is the problem — the car but the driver, that is the problem. for me it is about simplifying the situation. after many— simplifying the situation. after many years seeing how it works, i think_ many years seeing how it works, i think the — many years seeing how it works, i think the most important thing is maybe _ think the most important thing is maybe to — think the most important thing is maybe to return and give the power more _ maybe to return and give the power more to _ maybe to return and give the power more to the — maybe to return and give the power more to the referees. there was late drama last night, in the women's super league, as manchester united drew 2—2 with arsenal. united thought they had won it with ten minutes to go. new signing melvine malard, scoring with just her second touch on the pitch. but the visitors found an equaliser deep into injury time, cloe lacasse, with a super strike salvaging a point for arsenal. max verstappen could win his third formula 1 world title later today in qatar, even though the main race is tomorrow. the dutchman put in a dominant performance to take pole for tomorrow's race, finishing nearly — half a second ahead of mercedes pair george russia and lewis hamilton. but today there is a shorter sprint race and verstappen only needs three points in that to claim a third consecutive title. and he is back. the three—time olympic champion adam peaty made his return to competitive swimming, but it wasn't quite the glorious return many had hoped for, peaty was sixth in the 100m breaststroke final at a world cup event in berlin. so good to see him in the pool competing. he hasn't competed since march after a break from the sport due to mental health issues. and it is all about him for paris next year. so good to see him powering through the water again. adam peaty, we have spoken to him loads and filled with him. you cannot underestimate him. does microfilm. good on him for coming back and working through. we started with mental resilience with simone biles and adam is another example. billion sportspeople. in biles and adam is another example. billion sportspeople.— billion sportspeople. in the pool it is all about — billion sportspeople. in the pool it is all about building _ billion sportspeople. in the pool it is all about building up _ billion sportspeople. in the pool it is all about building up the - is all about building up the competitive edge. the margins are so fine in _ competitive edge. the margins are so fine in the _ competitive edge. the margins are so fine in the pool and you get those extra _ fine in the pool and you get those extra meetings. we fine in the pool and you get those extra meetings.— fine in the pool and you get those extra meetings. we like him as well. thank you. — extra meetings. we like him as well. thank you. see _ extra meetings. we like him as well. thank you, see you _ extra meetings. we like him as well. thank you, see you later. _ we'll be back with the headlines at 7:00, but now it's time for unspun world withjohn simpson. this weekjohn analyses whether european support for ukraine in its war against russia is starting to fray. hello and welcome to this edition of unspun world from the bbc�*s london headquarters, new broadcasting house. it's a tricky time for western supporters of ukraine. the lack of any knockout blow in the war so far makes it more likely it'll just stretch on and on — a hugely expensive slogging match. and some of ukraine's european friends seem now to be having second thoughts. is this turning into a critical moment for ukraine? at a time when we know that populations in europe, they're worried about the cost of living, that is putting pressure on governments, it's putting pressure on european unity as a whole. what's life like in post—coup niger at present? the bbc�*sjust had extraordinary access to this difficult and war—torn country. if there are more civilian casualties, then ordinary nigerians will start to wonder if this was the right decision in backing them. and will next year's global weather prove even worse than this year's storms, heatwaves and fires? we're expecting next year, 2024, to be even hotter. we'll have to wait until the effects of climate change become really tangible before the world recognises that it needs to take action. i think we've got to that point. even back at the start of this year, the problem that weighed most heavily on ukraine's president zelensky was, will his western allies stay the course? i remember how frank he was about the need for ukraine's counter—offensive to go well. well, it certainly hasn't gone badly, but it's never produced the major victory that ukraine needed and that its supporters prayed for. loud bang now, hungary is deeply sceptical about backing ukraine. an openly pro—russian politician has just topped the poll in the elections in slovakia. the polish government, with an election coming up, has chosen to criticise ukraine. and most serious of all, the political infighting in washington means that its hugely valuable aid to ukraine can't be funded as before, at least for the time being. so what does all this add up to? well, vladimir putin's sharp—minded, sharp—tongued press spokesman, dmitry peskov, is pretty clear in his own mind. in moscow the other day, speaking of western support for ukraine, he said the fatigue will grow. have we reached some kind of tipping point? i sought the views of the bbc�*s europe editor, katya adler. first of all, slovakia held parliamentary elections this weekend. and who got the biggest number of votes? robert fico. so what's he known? as a defender of vladimir putin. what did he campaign saying? that military aid for ukraine should be stopped. at the same time, you had a big row in congress over a short—term funding, government funding bill. it's bipartisan. and the only way it could get passed was by dropping this next tranche of aid for ukraine, which was being discussed. that is a worrying sign from washington. we've got us elections coming up next year and there is a very real possibility that donald trump could be returned to office as president. and what will that mean for support for ukraine? up until now, the us has donated the largest amount in terms of military aid for ukraine, but europe is surpassing that in terms of financial support and other support. so is it going to have to fill a shortfall in the us at a time when we know that populations in europe, they're worried about the cost of living, we're heading into a winter where people are worrying about heating bills again. there's talk of migration and things that need to be done about that. that is putting pressure on governments, it's putting pressure on european unity as a whole. and so, yes, looking forward to ukraine, there are question marks with ukraine not having performed as speedily against russia as had been hoped in the west and its counter—offensive, whether that was realistic or not, about how long this is all sustainable. how important is, say, slovakia and does it matter if they don't help ukraine any longer? a lot of this is politics. so we've heard certain things being said in the lead—up to slovakia's elections. we've heard things being said in poland in the lead—up to its election in two weeks' time. and up until now, poland has been pretty much the most outspoken and active country in ukraine's support against russia. however, what we can see the possibility of in the eu is a build—up of an awkward squad, because who clapped their hands when robert fico came top of the parliamentary elections? in neighbouring hungary, prime minister viktor orban. prime minister viktor orban, who has been permanently difficult when it's come to imposing new sanctions. we're also looking, of course, ukraine is very anxious to be given very strong signals now aboutjoining the eu. it's been given candidacy statement, but what it wants by the end of this year is for real negotiations to start on that path to membership. and let's look at poland, what's poland's position? so poland holds a general election in mid—october, on sunday 15th of october. and there's been this extraordinary row in the recent couple of weeks between poland and ukraine. and i say extraordinary because even before russia's full—scale invasion, poland was up there. i mean, prime minister morawiecki saying again and again to partners inside the european union and nato, watch out, because putin has expansionist plans here. he's got his eye on ukraine and more, by the way. and he and the baltic states, they had the feeling they were being dismissed, really, as sort of being post—soviet paranoid. no longer, of course. and poland has been key in putting pressure on other allies inside nato about supplying fighter jets, for example, tanks. i mean, really leaning on germany at the time when you remember that germany was reluctant to provide any tanks. when you look at it, the two main parties here vying to win these elections, both of them want to push russia back. both of them believe that if russia is not stopped in ukraine, then vladimir putin will not stop there. and that will be destabilising, not just for that neighbourhood in europe, but for europe as a whole. however, there has been a row over grain. now as we know, that's because of russia's actions in the black sea, ukraine has been unable to send its grain that large parts of africa and the middle east rely on across the sea. and so there was an agreement reached by which the grain was able to cross european countries on its way out to the wider world. just because of logistics, a lot of that grain ended up sort of sticking, hanging, in countries like poland, hungary or slovakia, and that has pushed down local grain prices. and that is a big problem in countries that rely on agriculture. so the eu agreed that those countries could have a ban on that grain for a limited period, but recently it lifted that ban. and poland, hungary and slovakia have said, you know what? we're just going to continue regardless. president zelensky was characteristically critical, even though he didn't name poland, and poland reacted furiously, absolutely furiously, even suggesting, the government, even suggesting that it would halt military aid to ukraine. but again, these are worrying signs. these are worrying signs inside europe, although i have to emphasise again, john, that we have to be careful about being too black and white about it. it's not a knife—edge, but it is concerning. less than three years ago, the vast, landlocked state of niger, mostly desert, predominantly muslim and with a population of 25 million, seemed in pretty good shape politically. despite a history of five coups d'etat in 60 years, its president stepped down constitutionally after finishing his second term, and mohamed bazoum was elected to succeed him in february 2021. but three months ago, bazoum was arrested by his presidential guard and a new crisis began. since the military transition in this country, friday prayers... the bbc�*s mayenijones hasjust come back from meeting niger's new rulers. i think the reason why niger was seen as a beacon of democracy is because the region isn't great. the sahel region at the moment is suffering from a democratic deficit. you've seen coups in burkina faso, in mali, which are both neighbouring countries, slightly further afar in chad and also in guinea. so niger, in comparison to those other countries, seemed fairly democratic. they had elections last year that went pretty well. president mohamed, deposed now, deposed president mohamed bazoum was a friend of the west, particularly of france. he worked closely with them. he was seen as somebody who was willing to take input from foreign powers, as somebody who was willing to collaborate in order to develop his country. but this is a country, niger, that has seen a lot of coups since its independence of france. it's had multiple coup attempts, five successful ones. and so it was interesting speaking to people in niger, because military takeovers aren't foreign to them. and a lot of people told us, actually, we have a long history of military takeovers, we trust our military. usually, what they come in and do is, if there's a political crisis, they come in, they clean things up and they leave. and so a lot of people we interviewed in niger seemed to believe that this latest military government would do the same thing. how responsible was french ham—fistedness for the coup and for the atmosphere that exists in niger or did the french, were they on a hiding to nothing? could they have done nothing different? this coup, just to give a bit of context, was initiallyjust an internal dispute between members of the presidential guard and president bazoum. they weren't happy with some of the decisions he was taking, particularly when it came to funding and budgets. and so they staged this uprising. but it became a bigger thing about sovereignty for niger and anti—french sentiment when france then took a stance that it wouldn't deal with this new military government. many nigerians were like, well, wait a minute. you know, president macron went to n'djamena, the capital of chad, when they had a military coup and embraced their new military leader. recently, there was a coup in gabon that france condemned, but seemed to kind of have a less strong diplomatic rhetoric towards. that's when you started seeing the big protests, the french embassy being targeted and french troops being asked to leave. and does that principle apply to other countries in the region? i mean, other countries perhaps that have had military coups. the factors that start those coups in each country is incredibly different. in burkina faso, you had these young soldiers who are the forefront of the war against the terrorists, terror groups affiliated with the so—called islamic state and al-anda. they were the forefront of the battle. when they came into power, they said they were frustrated with the way that the government at the time in burkina faso was handling the country's security crisis and they wanted to change things around. in mali, there were separatists that were fighting the governments that wanted independence for their regions, and that led to an escalation in violence in niger. it was, as i mentioned, an internal dispute between the presidential guard and the president. in gabon, it's because you've had this family, the bongos, they've held the country, you know, in financial hostage for several decades now. and many people there in gabon feel that this family has been allowed to continue to stay in power because it benefits certain external powers. one thing that ends up happening after all of them is that all of those frustrations and the corruption and the ineffectiveness of the governments there, the poor economic performance of those countries, all of that gets funnelled towards france. what will be interesting to see is now that the french are leaving a country like niger, for example, what's going to happen? thejunta in power is going to have to show that it has a plan for the country's development. this is one of the poorest countries in the world, despite having minerals like uranium, despite having oil, despite having gold. is it going to make it easier for extreme islamists to operate? we're already seeing recently an escalation, an uptick in violence, with terror groups taking advantage of the power vacuum in niger to ramp up its attack on nigerian armed forces and drive down morale there. and it will be interesting to see over the next month, is the nigerian army able to turn the tide and show that it's in charge? because i think if it doesn't, if there are more civilian casualties, then ordinary nigerians will start to wonder if this was the right decision in backing them. one of the world's most complicated crises seems to have been sorted out the hard way, at least for now. nagorno—karabakh is one of those problematic territories left over after the collapse of the soviet union in 1991. a patch of land in the south caucasus, situated in azerbaijan but occupied mostly by ethnic armenians. last month, azerbaijan launched an attack on the territory and as a result, just about the whole armenian population, more than 100,000 people, has left. kian sharifi of bbc monitoring is based in the region. i asked him to explain how azerbaijan's president aliyev had succeeded in getting control of nagorno—karabakh. aliyev got exactly what he wanted. he completed his seizure of karabakh, and karabakh, the authorities there. they said they were dissolving the government and every government— linked institute by the end of the year. and that's pretty much the end of nagorno—karabakh's government as we know it. do you think that he also wanted the entire population to move out? he has always maintained that the ethnic armenians that lived in karabakh could stay there for as long as they wanted, they would be treated equally. but they didn't believe him. and for good cause, i mean, given their history with azerbaijan, it was very difficult for them to believe it. so the moment that they realised it's over, they started fleeing their homeland. and now more than 100,000 ethnic armenians from karabakh have moved to armenia, and they want refugee status, which means if they are granted a refugee status, they need to be paid by the government. that is not something the pashinyan government is capable of doing. he cannot do that because he just doesn't have the funds, the money. and this, some fear, is going to embolden the pro—russia parties in armenia. right now it's not looking very, very good for pashinyan. did russia have any involvement in this or did azerbaijan just do it while the russians weren't looking or what? russia didn't seem to be providing armenia with the support that armenia thought it was going to get from russia. and this time around, russia has beenjust a bit too busy with the war in ukraine. armenia doesn't really have anything to fight back. and armenia itself didn't really get involved with this last round of fighting. it stayed out of it, which angered a lot of people in armenia, there were protests for a good while against pashinyan's government, because they accused them of not helping ethnic armenians in karabakh. the other major power in the region with an interest there is iran. what's iran's view of what's happened? iran has been having to play a very delicate balancing act. since the very beginning it has always maintained that karabakh belonged to azerbaijan. but it never, ever could support azerbaijan because they've always had a lot of differences. there is a very strong ethnic azeri community in iran that wants to be a part of azerbaijan. they refer to it as southern azerbaijan. that's how much they want to secede from iran. and iran has always believed that azerbaijan, or at least elements linked to the government of azerbaijan, have helped to stoke that sentiment. then there is, of course, azerbaijan's very close relations with israel. it's, to the best of my knowledge, the only muslim nation that is very, very open with its relationship with israel, and it's a very strong relationship. iran's accused azerbaijan of even allowing israel to maintain a presence in azerbaijan, which borders iran. and iran just does not like that. iran has always been close with armenia, but think of the optics. iran backing a christian state against a muslim country. now, the major issue, of course, is the zangezur corridor. it was first brought up in 2020. armenia agreed to allow the establishment of a corridor along its border with iran. iran has always been opposed to this because as far as tehran is concerned, if that corridor is established, it will completely sever its very short land link with armenia. and that is a very strategic corridorfor iran because it's a very reliable route connecting iran through armenia to georgia and beyond. beyond being potentially, of course, russia. azerbaijan insists on wanting to establish that corridor because it will connect mainland azerbaijan to the exclave of nakhchivan and through that to turkey. the entire issue of nagorno—karabakh, do you think it's over now? the idea of karabakh is always going to be in the background of relations between armenia and azerbaijan. it's never going to go away. it may have an effect on future relationships between the countries in the region, but karabakh, as we know it, is probably not going to be a thorn in anyone's side because the government there will cease to exist in three months. lastjuly was the hottest month our planet has experienced in recorded history. fires raged on three continents. people fled their homes in hundreds of thousands, some of them swelling the numbers of migrants into europe and north america. but how are governments around the world shaping up to meet this threat of accelerating global warming? i asked justin rowlatt, the bbc�*s climate editor. you see different societies making different kinds of decisions. so you see particular, i mean, the exemplar of this would be china making kind of long—term investments with a kind of 100—year plan, maybe even a longer plan, looking ahead and saying, what do we need for our future? what future do we want for our society? democracy is frankly finding it much harder to do that long—term planning and stick to decisions that have been made. it's very interesting here in britain, you know, there was a climate act passed in 2008 and the idea was to bind future governments to commitments made kind of now about how we're going to cut carbon. we're still sticking to those targets. but it was quite interesting very recently, the prime minister here, rishi sunak, changed his position on, or appeared to change his position. it was a little bit more nuanced than it seemed, but appeared to change his position on how rapidly he wanted britain to approach net zero, reduce carbon emissions to the point where we're not adding any additional emissions to the atmosphere. and that's a very kind of democratic response in that he's thinking, well, lots of our motorists here in britain aren't going to like some of the policies that we've got, and if we water them down with an election coming up, maybe we'll do a bit better with the electorate. so you see these very different responses from different types of political structures. but britain is a small problem compared with china, isn't it? well, and it's in a way, a profoundly optimistic story. the investments china began to make decades ago, in the �*90s, recognising that solar power and wind power were really, potentially really useful technologies, and crucially technologies that i think china recognised that if they invested early, they could get a march on the rest of the world. and in a way, i mean, look, this would be disputed, i think, by analysts around the world, but in a way, this unbelievable act that president biden brought in, the inflation reduction act, which has subsidies totalling, its $397 billion of potential subsidies, that, in a way, is a response to the recognition in america that in lots of these really crucial future technologies, wind, solar batteries, electric vehicles, all of that kind of thing, china is way, way ahead. we actually do have the wherewithal to switch our energy system to more renewable sources. and actually, it's largely thanks to those investments and that effort china made to industrialise renewable power that means that prices have fallen as dramatically as they have. but what about all the use of coal—fired power stations and so on in china? i mean, that's a real problem, isn't it? they are building lots of coal—fired power stations. the way that... there's an issue with renewables which isn't that often talked about, which is the intermittency of them. so they're not available all the time. it's slightly capricious. at night when you've got no solar power and the wind isn't blowing, you need an alternative supply. the most readily available, easiest supply is from fossil fuels still. that's actually true of decarbonising in places like america and in europe and in the uk. and what about india? it says it, like the west, which used obviously fossil fuels to build its riches over the last 200 years or 250 years, it says we're going to use fossil fuels. and when we feel that we've reached a point where the population is sufficiently well off, or that it becomes cheaper to transition to renewables, we will then make a wholesale transition to renewables. but, you know, india is beginning a transition, but it's slower than china. i mean, slowness isn't really an option for the world, is it? we have to do something quickly. we also have to keep... ..societies on board. we have to keep countries on board with the effort. it's been a very hot year and it's a very hot year that comes at the beginning of an el nino year. so the heat that we got this summer was before the real intensity of heat you get from this oscillating weather pattern that happens in the pacific where essentially warm water rises from the ocean and delivers a blast of additional heat, about 0.2 degrees celsius to the global atmosphere. and we're expecting next year, 2024, to be even hotter. what is the point at which people say, i'm prepared to accept all sorts of cuts in my lifestyle because i can see the world is on fire around me? it depends on the individual, doesn't it? i mean, there will be people who look at what's happening and say, we need to take action now and i'm willing to make changes in my personal life now, you know, to help, but also presumably as an example to others. and there will be other people who are very reluctant to change. people would say, maybe we need to wait until the disaster scenario. we'll have to wait until the effects of climate change become really tangible before the world recognises that it needs to take action. i think we've got to that point. justin rowlatt, the bbc�*s climate editor, bringing this edition of unspun world to an end. as ever, it's been a real pleasure to have you with us. and until we meet again, goodbye. good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thompson. our headlines today: energy companies are holding £8 billion of customers' money as credit. now there are calls to give it back within 30 days. palestinian militants from the gaza strip have launched a rocket attack on israel, with reports of gunmen on the streets and at least one death and. charities say they're turning away people in need because of rising costs. good morning. the greatest gymnast ever, simone biles, wins another world championship gold to mean she's now got more world and olympic medals than than any other gymnast in history. the play celebrating the man who changed the way people with learning disabilities live their life. and while parts of scotland will see relentless rain and a risk of flooding today, it's a day of two halves, because for others, particularly in the south, it will be a day of warmth and sunshine. i will have the full forecast details coming up here on breakfast. good morning. it's saturday, 7 october. our main story: a former director at the regulator ofgem has called on energy firms to refund customers more quickly, if they've built up credit on their accounts and ask for it back. it comes after the bbc revealed last week that in the first three months of this year, credit held by energy firms was more than £8 billion. dan whitworth reports. credit built up by people paying for their energy using monthly direct debits can be a good thing. it helps customers budget and smooths out higher winter bills with lower summer ones to keep costs the same all year round. but too much or excessive credit and, crucially, customers not getting it back when they asked for it is a problem. just over a month ago i asked for £500 of my £1400 credit back, because the system shown on the energy supplier's website seemed so simple and so straightforward and so customer friendly that i thought it was the right thing to do. unfortunately, after numerous emails i haven't even had an acknowledgement, let alone any response to whether they agree to let me have my own money back. in the first three months of this year energy suppliers held more than £8 billion of customers' money in the form of credit on people's account. during the same period, customers owed nearly £2 billion. now a former non—executive director of the regulator ofgem says this system of excessive credit needs looking at. it's understandable that some money is held in credit balances, but £8 billion at a time when its maximum energy usage in the middle of a cold winter? that's wrong. a time limit needs to be defined and ofgem need to set down a really proper tight hard rule on what timely refund of balances is. i would suggest 30 days a maximum. energy uk, which speaks for suppliers, says that when that £8 million was held prices were extremely volatile, the level of government help was unknown, and that it's not meaningful to compare credit and debt. regulator ofgem, meanwhile, says it's strengthened the rules around direct debit to stop excess credit build—up, having customers having the right to ask for it back whenever they want and if they're not happy they can complain to their supplier and then the energy ombudsman. dan whitworth, bbc news. dan will be with us a little late in the programme to talk some more about that. if you have credit with your energy firm, how you may be able to get back quickly. let us get the latest on the rocket attacks on israel. naga has the latest. israel has seen attacks overnight by both rockets and dozens of gunmen. the armed wing of hamas says it fired more than 5,000 rockets from the gaza strip. israeli defence forces have also confirmed that a number of what it calls "terrorists" have infiltrated from gaza, with reports of them shooting at people on the streets. our middle east correspondent yolande knell is injerusalem. yolande, what more can you tell us? well, i mean, after covering a lot of rounds of violence between israel and palestinian militants in gaza i haven't seen a round of violence that has kicked off like this. it's been very sudden and very shocking for people. many people in israel are marking the end of the holiday. you can see from social media videos that are being shared that there are palestinian militants who have been shooting at passers—by in the streets of southern israel, is after we had a warning from the israeli military that there had been an infiltration from the gaza strip and it does seem that may be dozens of gunman are involved. the israeli army had told local people in the south of israel to stay in their homes. in the very south of gaza we are also seeing, in the last hour, some pictures coming in showing that palestinians are driving israeli military vehicles through the streets. they appear to have been captured from an infiltration down in the very south of the gaza strip into israel. we've got unconfirmed reports, should stress they are unconfirmed, of israeli soldiers being captured or being heard. otherwise, what we know from israeli medics is that there has been at least one israeli woman who has been killed by the very intense rocket fire we have seen. three times already i've had to run to the safe room here in our bureau in the ritalin. that gives you an idea, these are longer range rockets that are being used, sairyn going off repeatedly in the south and centre of israel. very shocking for people. large fires have been burning in some parts of the south of israel. we can see some of these rockets have hit certainly cars and open areas within the towns. a few details coming in at the moment. a lot has been happening injust the past couple of hours, that the rockets started being fired around 6:30 local time, just after dawn. we have comments from a senior hamas militants commander who says this is a start of an operation calling on other palestinians to join in and the israeli military saying hamas will pay a heavy price what is happening now. will pay a heavy price what is happening now-— will pay a heavy price what is happening now. will pay a heavy price what is hauenina now. t, tt ~ t, happening now. yolande, we know ben amin happening now. yolande, we know benyamin netanyahu's _ happening now. yolande, we know benyamin netanyahu's office - happening now. yolande, we know benyamin netanyahu's office has l happening now. yolande, we know. benyamin netanyahu's office has said they will consider their response. obviously this is happening right now and has escalated very, very quickly and we know there have been — there is tension, there has been conflict there too much lower level. is there any indication as to why this has escalated to this extent at this has escalated to this extent at this moment in time? i this has escalated to this extent at this moment in time?— this moment in time? i mean, it's not completely — this moment in time? i mean, it's not completely clear. _ this moment in time? i mean, it's not completely clear. there - this moment in time? i mean, it's not completely clear. there have l not completely clear. there have been tensions in gaza, particularly around the boundary fence where we have had protest resuming of the lakes we saw really between 2018 — 2019, hundreds of people assembling again along the boundary fence with israel, but what the hamas military commander has said, he is blaming israeli actions injerusalem, israeli actions in jerusalem, particularly israeli actions injerusalem, particularly around the sensitive site, the al—aqsa mosque was obvious blaming israeli actions in the west bank where tensions have been physically high, that is where most of our attention has been focused in recent months. but this is something that hamas will have been planning, really, for many years to have such a co—ordinated operation taking place. a co-ordinated operation taking lace. t, tt ~ t, a co-ordinated operation taking lace. t, t, ,, t, a co-ordinated operation taking lace, t, ., ~' t, a co-ordinated operation taking place. yolande, i know, as you say, ou are place. yolande, i know, as you say, you are keeping _ place. yolande, i know, as you say, you are keeping safe, _ place. yolande, i know, as you say, you are keeping safe, it _ place. yolande, i know, as you say, you are keeping safe, it is - place. yolande, i know, as you say, you are keeping safe, it is a - you are keeping safe, it is a developing story. take care. that is yolande knell for us injerusalem. yolande knell for us in jerusalem. we yolande knell for us injerusalem. we will keep you up—to—date as that violence develops and escalates. and we will keep you up—to—date as well with our reporters from around the country. funerals are taking place in the ukrainian village where 52 people, including a child, were killed by a single russian missile strike. it happened in the kharkiv region on thursday. the united nations has dispatched investigators to determine if it was a war crime. our ukraine correspondent james waterhouse has been to the village, where every family is in mourning. a symbol of innocence. against a backdrop of desperation. this playground is now the site of a deadly puzzle. it's the retrieval phase — listing, identifying who or what is left. ukraine is certain this wasn'tjust an act of war, but a war crime. translation: after investigation we can say it was a deliberate - attack on civilians. i can't tell how they choose the targets because i don't understand their logic. the kremlin says it always targets military sites. we saw no evidence suggesting that this was one. here's what's left of the cafe. it's a deep wound, it's a picture of finality. you see the shop next door has been blown through as well. for a moment hroza, meaning "thunderstorm", lived up to its name. some reminders of what happened might be washed away, but this small community has already been damaged. in the evening, lyubov tells us she was here, at home, when she heard the explosion. translation: i ran out of the yard and saw a plume of smoke. - my husband rushed there. he came back and said our children are gone. our son—in—law was found dead but our daughter was still alive when emergency workers arrived. she told one of them, herfriend, take me out, take me out. that's it, those were her last words. who would return my children to me? who? lyubov and her community's pain is palpable. her village is a darker place. james waterhouse, bbc news, hroza, kharkiv region. scientists are warning there's been a record number of days this year where global temperatures have gone above a key threshold for dangerous climate change. data shows that the average worldwide temperature exceeded 1.5 celsius above pre—industrial levels on one in three days. a 36—year—old man has appeared in court, charged with plotting to kidnap and murder the tv presenter holly willoughby. gavin plumb, from harlow in essex, was remanded in custody and will attend a plea hearing at chelmsford crown court next month. holly willoughby hasn't appeared on this morning since wednesday, and itv says it's providing full support to her and herfamily. the government has apologised and ordered an inquiry after admitting it miscalculated its funding plans, meaning schools in england will get less money than promised next year. head teachers leaders said it was a frustrating mistake as the school budgets were already planned. the former transport secretary, chris grayling, has announced he will stand down as an mp at the next election. he said he made the decision after prostate cancer treatment which — while successful — has made him realise it's time for a change after 22 years in parliament. a growing number of charities say they're having to turn people away as the cost of living crisis continues to bite. a survey by the charities aid foundation found 40% are unable to take on new work and around half are worried they may not survive. our reporter dave guest has been to a food charity in manchester to find out more. it's another busy morning at the fisher depot in manchester. but they are struggling to keep up with demand. brute are struggling to keep up with demand. ~ t , , ttt, are struggling to keep up with demand. ~ t i, j~:: demand. we currently support 280 charities in this _ demand. we currently support 280 charities in this region, _ demand. we currently support 280 charities in this region, but - demand. we currently support 280 charities in this region, but we've l charities in this region, but we've got nearly 50 more on the waiting list we can't sign up because we don't have enough food to support them. �* , t, �* t, t, ~ them. and they aren't alone. a survey by _ them. and they aren't alone. a survey by the _ them. and they aren't alone. a survey by the charities - them. and they aren't alone. a survey by the charities aid - survey by the charities aid foundation found that many charities are struggling to deliver services with demand increasing and resources, donations, and volunteers diminishing. of the charities who responded, just over half said the services we now at full capacity. 41% said they won't able to take on new clients, and 12% said they had had to turn away people in need. 2nd had to turn away people in need. and i think for had to turn away people in need. and i think for the — had to turn away people in need. 2ch i think for the government, think there has to be a recognition that there has to be a recognition that the work is charities are doing is absolutely critical to our communities. what is required now is a long—term plan to build the resilience of the charity sector and that's why we are calling on them to develop a national strategy for philanthropy and charitable giving. fisher is not only struggling to get enough food in, they are struggling to find in a people to deliver it. derek came as a volunteer ten years ago, he is now the operations manager. but a shortage of drivers means he is out on the road. there is a hue means he is out on the road. there is a huge amount _ means he is out on the road. there is a huge amount of— means he is out on the road. there is a huge amount of demand - means he is out on the road. there is a huge amount of demand out i means he is out on the road. tt22 is a huge amount of demand out there stop we're doing everything we to get more food. without the food because of the charities. derek's delivery is _ because of the charities. derek's delivery is destined _ because of the charities. derek's delivery is destined for _ because of the charities. derek's delivery is destined for the - because of the charities. derek's. delivery is destined for the church of the apostles. people like bridget can stock up with essentials for a flat fee of £4. it can stock up with essentials for a flat fee of £4.— can stock up with essentials for a flat fee of £4.— flat fee of £4. it is a lifesaver. what would — flat fee of £4. it is a lifesaver. what would happen _ flat fee of £4. it is a lifesaver. what would happen if - flat fee of £4. it is a lifesaver. what would happen if this - flat fee of £4. it is a lifesaver. | what would happen if this place wasn't here? i what would happen if this place wasn't here?— wasn't here? i think we would suffer. wasn't here? i think we would suffer- we — wasn't here? i think we would suffer. we were _ wasn't here? i think we would suffer. we were open - wasn't here? 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[ti the through the doors has gone down. in the meantime, charities will carry on doing their best to meet demand. presently that's demand exceeds supply. dave guest, bbc news. here are some great pictures for you this morning. europe's first fully private rocket has blasted off from spain. the spanish company pld space launched its reusable miura1 rocket, named after a breed of fighting bull, from a site in southwest spain. two previous attempts, earlier this year, were abandoned because of adverse weather or technical hitches. i always like seeing a rocket go after. , t, i always like seeing a rocket go after. , tt t, , t , after. they are great pictures until ou tet all after. they are great pictures until you get all of— after. they are great pictures until you get all of the _ after. they are great pictures until you get all of the smoke _ after. they are great pictures until you get all of the smoke and - after. they are great pictures until you get all of the smoke and then| you get all of the smoke and then you get all of the smoke and then you can't see much, but they are very happy people! they look like djs though! like they are at a party! djs though! like they are at a -a ! djs though! like they are at a .a ! , t, , , djs though! like they are at a -a ! djs though! like they are at a party! there probably are partying! you can think _ party! there probably are partying! you can think about _ party! there probably are partying! you can think about that _ party! there probably are partying! you can think about that later. - here's matt with a look at the weather. are you going to bring us down to earth, orat are you going to bring us down to earth, or at least some of us? yen; earth, or at least some of us? very tood earth, or at least some of us? very good morning. _ earth, or at least some of us? very good morning. i— earth, or at least some of us? very good morning, i hope _ earth, or at least some of us? 2 good morning, i hope you are well. the weekend starts off with a big contrast, we will see some hazy sunshine and warm conditions for october across southern areas and in scotland the emphasis is on the rain, very heavy rainfall and big impact expected as well. we have this strip of cloud across uk at the moment, warm airfrom iberia to north spain moving on, producing heavy rain across scotland, and there is a met office amber warning out through today into tonight in these areas from glasgow, northwards and westwards, we have what is seen flooding, rural services have been suspended to fort william, between inverness and perth and also to the west of glasgow towards helensburgh. check before you travel they will be further impact throughout the day as well, further disruption likely as well. this chart shows the forecast for the next few hours, the bright colours and heaviest rain, shipment has some sunshine, not as windy as yesterday, some rain for a time in northern ireland and the far north of england but that will clear away from scotland, a dry day, some local cloud about the coast, hazy sunshine elsewhere and it will start to turn a little less wet later on, temperatures up to 17, but notice nine degrees at the highest in parts of aberdeenshire today, in contrast that with the sunny conditions further south where we could be up to around 25 degrees, a good eight degrees above where we should be at this stage of the month. into tonight to the rain will ease after a central and southern scotland but it remains quite happy in the northern could get heavier steel towards the highlands and hebrides. most places are dry, some mist and fog and temperatures for many and double—figure �*s. fog and temperatures for many and double—figure is. here is the chart for sunday, the weather front producing the rain still there, shifting further northwards but we draw the warmer air further north, is notjust cold across scotland as it will be today but the rain will be relentless across the far north of the mainland pushing on towards orkney as well, still some splashes of rain in the far north of england but a lot of dry weather as well, if fair bit of cloud around with sunny spells breaking out, another warm on towards the south and east, not as chilly across parts of scotland, and as we go into next week things are on the caller side across scotland, but it won't be until we get to around thursday before we start to see the cooler conditions return towards the south of the country, staying warm until the start of next week. �* t t, t, t, t, week. it's the tale of north and south, week. it's the tale of north and south. and _ week. it's the tale of north and south, and some _ week. it's the tale of north and south, and some people - week. it's the tale of north and south, and some people will i week. it's the tale of north and | south, and some people will be week. it's the tale of north and i south, and some people will be very happy with those temperatures, i was hearing someone the other day saying i like the seasons, i don't want someone to carry on.— someone to carry on. indeed, completely — someone to carry on. indeed, completely different - someone to carry on. indeed, j completely different seasons, someone to carry on. indeed, i completely different seasons, but they could even be a bit of snow on they could even be a bit of snow on the tops of the mountains, how is that for contrast? j the tops of the mountains, how is that for contrast?— that for contrast? i wish i hadn't asked, i wanted _ that for contrast? i wish i hadn't asked, i wanted milder- that for contrast? i wish i hadn't asked, i wanted milder contrast| that for contrast? i wish i hadn't i asked, i wanted milder contrast than that! if you're going shopping today or popping out for a bite to eat, will you be carrying cash or do you prefer to pay by card? in a growing number of businesses, you won't even have the choice as they opt to go cashless. our reporter crispin rolfe went to hornsea, in east 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use cash by they used to be loads of cash machines. why is it still looking for you? because you can control the better, you know _ because you can control the better, you know what you've got, you don't io you know what you've got, you don't go into _ you know what you've got, you don't go into debt — you know what you've got, you don't go into debt or anything, ijust prefer— go into debt or anything, ijust prefer cash. go into debt or anything, i 'ust prefer anti go into debt or anything, i 'ust prefer uteri go into debt or anything, i 'ust prefer carpi go into debt or anything, i 'ust refer cash. t , t, t prefer cash. yes, pounds, and once uon prefer cash. yes, pounds, and once u on a prefer cash. yes, pounds, and once upon a time — prefer cash. yes, pounds, and once upon a time shillings _ prefer cash. yes, pounds, and once upon a time shillings and _ prefer cash. yes, pounds, and once upon a time shillings and pence, i prefer cash. yes, pounds, and once| upon a time shillings and pence, but in the east yorkshire town of halsey, cash ought to be king rather than being the outdated pretender to the debit card thrown. the, than being the outdated pretender to the debit card thrown. $1!th than being the outdated pretender to the debit card thrown.— the debit card thrown. a lot of eo - le the debit card thrown. a lot of people are _ the debit card thrown. a lot of people are coming _ the debit card thrown. a lot of people are coming into - the debit card thrown. a lot of people are coming into pay i the debit card thrown. a lot of people are coming into pay by| the debit card thrown. a lot of i people are coming into pay by card, and of course we didn't have a card machine then, so we said we would have to get a card machine. yet without any _ have to get a card machine. yet without any high street banks, card payments are something that independent shops here i having to get used to, even the ones who have always avoided them, because they come at a cost.— come at 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the powder. but of course every penny adds up, to the i also in the powder. but of course i every penny adds up, to the benefit of global banks, rather than local communities. are you concerned about that that the cash you spend stays in the town?— that that the cash you spend stays in the town?_ you | in the town? very conscious. you think there _ in the town? very conscious. you think there is _ in the town? very conscious. you think there is a _ in the town? very conscious. you think there is a way _ in the town? very conscious. you think there is a way back? - in the town? very conscious. you think there is a way back? there | think there is a way back? there needs to be. _ think there is a way back? there needs to be, or— think there is a way back? there needs to be, or we _ think there is a way back? there needs to be, or we will- think there is a way back? there needs to be, or we will lose i think there is a way back? there needs to be, or we will lose it. | needs to be, or we will lose it. hornsey— needs to be, or we will lose it. hornsey is— needs to be, or we will lose it. hornsey is about to get its own community banking hub, but whether that will make a difference in a return to cash payments for businesses for those tourists flocking in, that is something we will have to find out next summer. crispin rolfe, bbc news. at half—nine this morning we'll be speaking to a campaigner who has persuaded a lot of businesses in manchester to start taking cash again. and we'd love to hear your thoughts on this issue. get in touch with us, maybe your local shop business is either cash only or they only want cards. you can send us a message on whatsapp — the number is on screen now, orjust scan the qr code to start a chat. you can still get in touch with us by e—mail, and on x as well. get in touch with us. 22 minutes past seven is the time. so, party conference season is in full swing, and today the plaid cymru conference in aberystwyth will draw to a close. yesterday the party's new leader set out his plan to lay the foundations for an independent wales. today it's the turn of the party's westminster leader, liz saville—roberts, to have her say. shejoins us now. good morning to you, thank you for being with us. tell us about today, yesterday we heard from your leader, laying out plans for independence, but not setting a date. is it still a priority for the party? {lit but not setting a date. is it still a priority for the party? of course it is still a — a priority for the party? of course it is still a priority _ a priority for the party? of course it is still a priority for _ a priority for the party? of course it is still a priority for the - it is still a priority for the party, one of our core principles, and we understand that to win people over to independence, notjust to be a talking amongst ourselves, and people who already supported, we need to presented to people as this it will how it will make your lives better, doing more of the same and finding wales as the poorest nation within the uk will only result in more of the same, so our argument in terms of the economy, of what we would do if we had additional powers for devolution, but with the final goal in mind as to what we could really do and the difference that could make, that is ourjob, that is what we need to present to people and of course we talk about the funding for a just to, the difference in the 6 billion owed to wales, what that could do for our transport system, what that in turn could do for our economy, and the other powers, if we had powers over the crown of state so we can properly manage the contracts of offshore wind and energy and powers over water, what the difference that would make to the quality of people's lives, that is a major argument, because that is what will build the bricks for support for independence.— build the bricks for support for independence. build the bricks for support for indeendence. ~ t, t, ~' t ~' independence. what makes you think that independence _ independence. what makes you think that independence is _ independence. what makes you think that independence is still _ independence. what makes you think that independence is still a _ that independence is still a priority for voters? we know your former leader led the party into the 2021 election and promised to hold an independence referendum within five years. you came in third at that election. it's not a priority for people in wales right now, the cost of living crisis is arguably the priority. {lit cost of living crisis is arguably the priority-— cost of living crisis is arguably the priority. of course that is a riori , the priority. of course that is a priority. but — the priority. of course that is a priority. but we _ the priority. of course that is a priority, but we would - the priority. of course that is a priority, but we would argue i the priority. of course that is a priority, but we would argue it| the priority. of course that is a i priority, but we would argue it is a cost of inequality crisis, the way the uk operates, and we need to build support for the idea of independence as the actual solution that will make a fundamental difference to people's lives but in the meantime of course we need to talk about the economy and the difference that will make, and as we have seen, we are just a second thought, the crumbs under the table is what we get from westminster, when it comes to talk about that's not even enough to touch the sides of the cost and in all honesty does anyone actually believe the tory�*s promises now or are theyjust mouthing something in preparation for general election that is not really credible? we know independence is your ambition and it is an attractive want to be able to make decisions for wales in wales, we understand that, but there is a financial reality to independence as well. is financial reality to independence as well. t ~ t, t financial reality to independence as well. ,, mt well. is wales self-sufficient financially. _ well. is wales self-sufficient financially. could _ well. is wales self-sufficient financially. could you - well. is wales self-sufficient financially. could you say i well. is wales self-sufficientl financially. could you say that afain? financially. could you say that again? is _ financially. could you say that again? is wales _ financially. could you say that| again? is wales self-sufficient financially? — again? is wales self-sufficient financially? of _ again? is wales self-sufficient financially? of course - again? is wales self-sufficient financially? of course it - again? is wales self-sufficient financially? of course it is. i again? is wales self-sufficient| financially? of course it is. this is an argument _ financially? of course it is. this is an argument that _ financially? of course it is. this is an argument that the - financially? of course it is. this is an argument that the british | is an argument that the british empire used for every nation, including india, as they sought their independence. have you noticed that in none of those nations, india, ireland, we could list a whole number of them from the british empire, have ever sought to go back to the british under british rule. if we have proper control over the fiscal levers, we can manage our own economy more effectively. we are wealthy, we are wealthy in water by thatis wealthy, we are wealthy in water by that is taken from us with very little given back to us. if we had our own resources, the crown estate with i like scotland, we have no control, that is managed from westminster and goes primarily to the treasury, if we can manage the crown estate, we could be doing so much in terms of renewable energy. we have so much potential in the country of wales, and yet we are a second thought. the tories just don't care, they don't care about places like wales, about our communities, and labour has taken us for granted for over 100 years, and keep on doing the same thing, how are we going to make a difference? that is why we have to look at things in way. wanting the party has always done as we have thought of the new ideas that begin and can make a difference to people's lives. ourjob make a difference to people's lives. our job as make a difference to people's lives. ourjob as politicians is to present this as look at how it is now, surely it can be so much better than this, but who was going to do that, and how is it going to be done? how much faith you have in the tories after 13, much faith you have in the tories after13, it much faith you have in the tories after 13, it will be 14 years of austerity, austerity has eaten into everything that maintains our communities and societies, and the services that hold us together, they have just wipe the slate clean, destroy them, and labour talks the talk, they had a very long time to prove what they do, but get them in westminster and that's where their interest lies in they leave our communities languishing. how are we going to make a difference? it is the building blocks that we need to persuade people towards independence, but i will tell you and tell your viewers today, the interest in independence is growing interest in independence is growing in wales, as it grew in scotland before 2014, and if you ask anybody of the younger generation, the scales have fallen from their eyes, people actually realise what are we going to do to make a difference, and this is the viable way i had. liz sable roberts, the westminster leader or cymru, thank you for coming on the programme. all that changed back in the early 19 we're used to seeing people with learning disabilities living in the community, but just a few decades ago they were usually shut away in long—stay hospitals. that all changed in the early 1970s when a university student aged just 18 came up with the idea of supported living. now there's a play about it called housemates, starring actors with learning disabilities. our wales correspondent tomos morgan has the story. to the door. i'd rather you than me. and they step _ to the door. i'd rather you than me. and they step up. — to the door. i'd rather you than me. and they step up, out _ to the door. i'd rather you than me. and they step up, out of— to the door. i'd rather you than me. and they step up, out of the - to the door. i'd rather you than me. and they step up, out of the door. i and they step up, out of the door. centre stage at the sherman theatre in cardiff as the cast of housemates goes through the final rehearsal. the rehearsal has been really good fun and i really enjoyed it as well. this is a production that tells the tale of how institutionalised care for those with learning disabilities came to an end and how supported living was born in a student house in cardiff. in the late 60s the news of the world ran damning expose an academic uncovering endemic mistreatment of those with newer diverging living needs a. event 18—year—old student volunteer to take a group of learning—disabled to the cinema, and at the time residents of the city were not used to seeing people with these disabilities on the street, and as a spending time with them, in 1974, qymr spending time with them, in 1974, gym, alongside some other volunteers plain i'd just paid a new idea, moving into a home with five residents the hospital, 12 wrestling guidance became the first supported house in the uk. agent roper lived there for six months.— house in the uk. agent roper lived there for six months. came along for an eveninf there for six months. came along for an evening meal— there for six months. came along for an evening meal in _ there for six months. came along for an evening meal in the _ there for six months. came along for an evening meal in the five _ there for six months. came along for an evening meal in the five people i an evening meal in the five people with living disabilities without all started cheering and clapping as i walked through the door, there were so pleased to a volunteer coming in. one of those that also lived in griffin gardens was alan duncan who had down syndrome, a key figure who formed a lasting friendship with all of those that lived there and whose dream was to be part of the band. we used dream was to be part of the band. 2 used to sit around the kitchen table singing together, and the next thing was he was getting up on stage and singing with the band and that happened, well whenever we were playing, he would be up on the stage with us. t , playing, he would be up on the stage with us. _ t, with us. one by one institutionalised i with us. one by one i institutionalised hospitals with us. one by one _ institutionalised hospitals closed as the supported living model spread across the uk. many of those performing their story i neuro diverted actors, and incorporating their experiences was a key part of their experiences was a key part of the writing process. i their experiences was a key part of the writing process.— the writing process. i was going alonf to the writing process. i was going along to the _ the writing process. i was going along to the meeting _ the writing process. i was going along to the meeting with i the writing process. i was going along to the meeting with a i the writing process. i was going l along to the meeting with a wide range of people, not necessarily the cast byjust getting used to knowing people and working with people and the rhythms of the speech and what people, different people find easy to do and difficult to do, and they really shape the writing, not only the language but also the story. it's a modern psychiatric hospital! it's a modern psychiatric hospital! it has _ it's a modern psychiatric hospital! it has this— it's a modern psychiatric hospital! it has this amazing duality of this big sociopolitical movement. because by the 1990s this gym was advising the uk covenant on how to shut down all longstay institutions in the whole company and bringing it into a model of supported living, which is just incredible. but at the heart of the show it is kind of about us, as well, and ourfriendship. it has that gorgeous kind of micro thing but with that huge amazing political story on top. jim leith became a professor in learning disabilities, setting up a pioneering research centre into autism and learning disabilities. he was awarded a cbe in 2012, the same year he died. probably the main hero of all of this. a 19—year—old student who took on the world and rescued by people and started something magic, not just for them but for the whole of social care. just for them but for the whole of social care-— just for them but for the whole of social care. ~ tt t t, t, social care. what began here almost 50 ears social care. what began here almost 50 years ago — social care. what began here almost 50 years ago became _ social care. what began here almost 50 years ago became a _ social care. what began here almost 50 years ago became a beacon i social care. what began here almost 50 years ago became a beacon of. 50 years ago became a beacon of light that brought learning disability out of the shadows. tomos morgan, bbc news. an incredible story. fabulous. it is just after 7:30am. more brilliant. notjust brilliant, not just brilliant, the notjust brilliant, the greatest of all time — notjust brilliant, the greatest of all time in terms of simone biles. it all time in terms of simone biles. it was _ all time in terms of simone biles. it was 20 — all time in terms of simone biles. it was 20 years ago she was a little six-year-oid — it was 20 years ago she was a little six—year—old in ohio, in a daycare daytrip _ six—year—old in ohio, in a daycare daytrip to— six—year—old in ohio, in a daycare daytrip to a — six—year—old in ohio, in a daycare daytrip to a gymnastics centre to try this _ daytrip to a gymnastics centre to try this poured out like was of kids might— try this poured out like was of kids might be _ try this poured out like was of kids might be doing this weekend. having your personal taste of gymnastics and her_ your personal taste of gymnastics and her coach went yeah... little did that — and her coach went yeah... little did that coach know how great she would _ did that coach know how great she would end — did that coach know how great she would end up being 20 years later, but she _ would end up being 20 years later, but she is— would end up being 20 years later, but she is back. notjust returning but with not just returning but with another championship gold. after two years away from competition, simone biles returned, to prove she is the greatest and now has more medals, world and olympic, than any other gymnast ever — male orfemale. her 34th coming in the women's all—round final at the latest world championships in antwerp. our reporter natalie pirks is there. its gold for simone biles! the most decorated, venerated, quite simply the greatest. she takes the all—round title. simone biles soard into a class of her own and she did it with her trademark style was more. the smallest figure, but the biggest cheer, a box office in belton, her bolts got the party started. at the halfway stage she was leading and it was clear she was enjoying herself. the reigning champion from brazil was not going down without a fight. that's how you land! but where others faulted, simone biles was focused. a medal of any colour here make simone biles the most decorated gymnast in the history of the sport, male or female. she is going to leave it all out on the floor. as the audience clapped along, she showed she is human after all, she could afford a smirk, it was still in the bag. her 21st world gold. today i felt a bit more relaxed, comfortable with my gymnastics, so i knew it was going to be a fun night, a good i had a really good time. there were times she thought she could not do this anymore, the tears were perhaps realisation that she was back on top of the world. natalie pirks, bbc news, antwerp. what a story. what an inspiration. a month ago the rugby world cup started in paris and we're coming to the end of the group of the competition. wales and england are already through to the quarter—finals, but for ireland and scotland, who meet in paris later, it is still all to play for, and for scotland, this is it. they have beat the world's number one ranked team to have any chance of staying in france, as katie gornall reports. france and scotland have a shared history. if you go looking, you can find hence a bit on the streets of paris. centuries ago they form the old alliance to help each other in times of war, but here and now, the scots are facing a very different battle. a massive game for scotland, this is our world cup final. if scotland do pull this off, what kind of atmosphere will be like? it will be incredible, this place will be going mad. i would be going to work on monday, i will be in paris for the rest of my life. scotland's record against ireland does not inspire confidence. defeat at this year's six nations was their eighth in a row. for scotland, something needs to change. if we lose the game we're we are going home but we have been written off, we have faced the top two teams in the world, but fast, we're not going to die wondering. this game here in the south of france has had so many permutations and play. for scotland, they need to win by a least eight points and stop ireland from picking up a four try bonus point, meaning there are several ways that ireland can lose and still go through but this team does not think about the feet. after smashing through south africa last time out, ireland are under 16 test winning streak and this will be extra special for peter ramadi, centre when his 100th, but a note to the media, don't make a fuss of it. i would love to be in the side there now. this would be the last place i would sit in front of, but i want to win for the lads this weekend. wales already through, a point against georgia and they will top the group. sounds simple but a year ago, it was george who came out on top. england too at their place in the quarter—final secured, in the meantime, the captain is one kick from history, two points from owen farrell against samoa would make him england's record points scorer. right now, it's about keeping their eyes on the prize. katie gornell, bbc news, paris. world cup hosts france produced a remarkable performance to beat italy by 60—7 to ensure they win their pool. the hosts scored eight tries — damian penaud with two of them to secure a bonus point. it means france win pool a, with new zealand going through as runners up. south africa, ireland or scotland will be the opponents in the quarterfinals. french fans are also celebrating in rugby league, as catalans dragons, from the city of perpignan, are into the super league, grand final and it was this chap, the former england captain, sam tompkins, who was the inspiration as they knocked out the defending champions, st helens. adam wild reports. they will face either wigan or hull kr who play late in the second semi—final. now to a busy weekend in the premier league, and the referees�* governing body says when they are called on this weekend var officials will make sure they all consult each other and confirm their final decision before notifying the referee on the pitch. it sounds like common sense, but didn't happen as liverpool were denied a legitimate goal in their defeat at spurs last weekend. despite benefiting from that error, the tottenham manager says he would get rid of the var system "in it's current form". my my view is that we want and errorless, faultless system that i just don't think exists and will never exist, unless we want to turn our game into like other codes, where the event goes for four hours explaining every decision. there was late drama last night in the women's super league, as manchester united drew 2—2 with arsenal. united thought they had won it with ten minutes to go. new signing melvine malard scoring with just her second touch on the pitch. but the visitors found an equaliser deep into injury time, cloe lacasse, with a super strike salvaging a point for arsenal. max verstappen could win his third formula 1 world title later today in qatar, even though the main race is tomorrow the dutchman put in a dominant performance to take pole for tomorrow's race, finishing nearly half a second ahead of mercedes pair george russell and lewis hamilton. but today there is a shorter sprint race and verstappen only needs three points in that to claim a third consecutive title. now, the three—time olympic champion adam peaty says he's back in love with swimming as he made his return to competitive action after his break to deal with mental health issues made his comeback at a world cup event in berlin as he builds up to next year's paris olympics when he will try to make history. he came sixth last night in the 100 metres breaststroke final. with his big rivalfor gold next summer, oin haiyang of china, continuing recent dominance with a huge win. peaty says he has to think like mike tyson and become a god of the pool. that will be in time for next summer. i don't know if you have seen it, he has a tattoo of poseidon, the god of the sea on his left forearm. it poseidon, the god of the sea on his left forearm-— left forearm. if he plans to do something... _ left forearm. if he plans to do something... he _ left forearm. if he plans to do something... he has- left forearm. if he plans to do something... he has done i left forearm. if he plans to do something... he has done it. | left forearm. if he plans to do i something... he has done it. thank you very much. reform uk is holding its annual conference in london today. the party, which didn't challenge any conservative seats in 2019, has said it will contest every seat in england, scotland, and wales at the next general election. we're joined now by reform uk's brexit and union spokesperson, ben habib. ben habib, thank you very much for joining us this morning. tell me now, what message have you been putting out as part of your conference?— putting out as part of your conference? well, i haven't personally _ conference? well, i haven't personally been _ conference? well, i haven't personally been putting i conference? well, i haven't personally been putting outj conference? well, i haven't i personally been putting out any message other than the one we generally put out, which is if you want change you have to vote for it. and at the moment we have a conservative party that has delivered the country into massive debt, massive taxation, broken public sector, northern ireland left behind in the european union and, frankly, a complete mess. was and is broken, the labour party have no vision of how to fix it and if you want change you have to vote for it and reform uk is the party to vote for. t, , t, , , for. the conservatives, it is said, has been using — for. the conservatives, it is said, has been using or _ for. the conservatives, it is said, has been using or under - for. the conservatives, it is said, j has been using or under pressure from reform uk, think it is richard price was said this, has changed policies according to richard tice, moura form style policies, are you more aligned with the conservative party and if so why would you vote for reform if you have a similar platform in the conservatives? the conservative _ platform in the conservatives? tt2 conservative party in the 2019 general election morphed itself into the brexit party, including changing its colouring to match that most of the brexit party. we can see them doing the same thing almost this time around. they won't deliver what they promise. they will say whatever they promise. they will say whatever they need to say in order to get elected but once in office they will go back to form, which is effectively a large socialist agenda close to the eu, not putting british national interest first and we've got to change that. so whatever the conservative party say to getting the new can't believe them. richard tice, -a the new can't believe them. richard tice, party leader. _ the new can't believe them. richard tice, party leader, said _ the new can't believe them. richard tice, party leader, said he - the new can't believe them. richard tice, party leader, said he vowed i the new can't believe them. richard tice, party leader, said he vowed atj tice, party leader, said he vowed at the start of the year to wipe out the start of the year to wipe out the conservative party. what is the timeframe for that? that the conservative party. what is the timeframe for that?— timeframe for that? that is misattributed, _ timeframe for that? that is misattributed, i'm - timeframe for that? that is misattributed, i'm afraid. l timeframe for that? that is i misattributed, i'm afraid. that timeframe for that? that is - misattributed, i'm afraid. that was me that said my aim was to wipe out the conservative party. and, in a way, they have kind of delivered that aim for us. it way, they have kind of delivered that aim for us.— way, they have kind of delivered that aim for us. if you look at the olls. .. that aim for us. if you look at the polls- -- cross _ that aim for us. if you look at the polls... cross opposition. - that aim for us. if you look at the polls... cross opposition. it i that aim for us. if you look at the polls... cross opposition. it is i that aim for us. if you look at the | polls... cross opposition. it is not wiped out, it isjust polls... cross opposition. it is not wiped out, it is just that it's not a conference, there is nothing wiped out about it. flat a conference, there is nothing wiped out about it— out about it. not yet. if you can see the by-election _ out about it. not yet. if you can see the by-election result - out about it. not yet. if you can see the by-election result that| out about it. not yet. if you can - see the by-election result that have see the by—election result that have come in recently they are losing every single one of them with the exception of uxbridge where they suddenly realise that people are concerned about this inexorable drive towards a net zero. but with the exception of uxbridge they are taking a beating in the by—election is. taking a beating in the by-election is. ., , , ., , is. there were four this year, they lost one out _ is. there were four this year, they lost one out of— is. there were four this year, they lost one out of four. _ is. there were four this year, they lost one out of four. the - is. there were four this year, they lost one out of four. the once - is. there were four this year, they | lost one out of four. the once they lost one out of four. the once they lost were a — lost one out of four. the once they lost were a beating. _ lost one out of four. the once they lost were a beating. even - lost one out of four. the once they lost were a beating. even in - lost one out of four. the once they lost were a beating. even in these| lost were a beating. even in these recent by—elections in local council elections they held seas, council they have held for many, many years, wadsworth, westminster, west oxfordshire, barnsley, and so on. this conservative party is going to take a drubbing at the election and deserves because value cannot be rewarded with incumbency. we need change in this country stop if we keep doing the same old thing again and again, the same agenda, you'll get the same result, which everyone can see now, as i mentioned, a state that has got massive debt, massive taxation, and a public sector that simply doesn't work, a private sector... simply doesn't work, a private sector- - -_ simply doesn't work, a private sector... ,, ,, �* ~ , simply doesn't work, a private sector... ,, ,, ~ ~ , , sector... crosstalk why then is it so attractive _ sector... crosstalk why then is it so attractive for _ sector... crosstalk why then is it so attractive for your _ sector... crosstalk why then is it so attractive for your honorary - so attractive for your honorary president, nigel farage, what is the appealfor him, do you think, is the honorary president of your party and what is the appeal, because he has been seen dancing, parting with priti patel, and he said, even though he did tear up his tory membership card in the 1990s, he said he would never say never to rejoining. what is a... nigel is a little mischievous, what he said is he might considerjoining the conservative party if they ever became conservative. so in effect see rolled—outjoining the see rolled—out joining the conservative see rolled—outjoining the conservative party because there is no chance of this conservative party actually disposing conservative policies. actually disposing conservative olicies. �* actually disposing conservative olicies. ~' 3 actually disposing conservative olicies. ~ �*, ., actually disposing conservative olicies. �* ~ �*, ., , policies. don't you think it's a bit odd that your _ policies. don't you think it's a bit odd that your honorary _ policies. don't you think it's a bitj odd that your honorary president says he would considerjoining the conservative party if they become conservative. it is not a never, it isn't a never. conservative. it is not a never, it isn't a never-— conservative. it is not a never, it isn't a never. that is a never. this -a isn't a never. that is a never. this party ain't — isn't a never. that is a never. this party ain't for— isn't a never. that is a never. this party ain't for changing. _ isn't a never. that is a never. this party ain't for changing. this - isn't a never. that is a never. thisj party ain't for changing. this party is richard has classed them is effectively the kind of socialist party. so nigel was reallyjust thanking their tails. you party. so nigelwas really 'ust thanking their tailsi party. so nigelwas really 'ust thanking their tails. you say you are auoin thanking their tails. you say you are going to _ thanking their tails. you say you are going to stand _ thanking their tails. you say you are going to stand 630 - thanking their tails. you say you are going to stand 630 cantonsl are going to stand 630 cantons across england, scotland, and wales at the next general election, there wasn't much success in maples local elections. how are you going to get the backing for those candidates and where will they come from? we already have 400 odd candidates lined up to standard and there is still another year to go before the general election, it won't come early, rishi sunak will play this as long as he possibly can given the prospect of the likely results, so we will, i am sure, get another 200 odd candidates and stand on every seat, and it's the only way to do it. oursupporters seat, and it's the only way to do it. our supporters building. seat, and it's the only way to do it. oursupporters building. if seat, and it's the only way to do it. our supporters building. if you look at what is happening in the polls, we are pulling between seven and io%, very often ahead of the liberal democrat party, more often than not ahead of the greens, people are fed up with the same old thing and it's not working, being given promises that are never fulfilled, and it is time to vote for something different. if they keep voting for the conservative party or keep voting for labour, they will keep getting the same and when the labor party last inherited the country, they inherited a really good economy and handed it over to david cameron and handed it over to david cameron and osborne completely broken. this time of labour when they will inherit a terrible economy and it wouldn't surprise me if they drive the rest of the united kingdom to its knees. we have to change the way the british government is conducted and we need to start making national policy with our interests at heart, not with some kind of european union driven agenda or some sort of g7 driven agenda or some sort of g7 driven agenda, we need to start doing it for the british people and we have to start now. it's already way too late to prevent the damage that has been done but we can have a better future if we vote for change. ben habib, brexit, and the union spokesperson for reform, thank you for coming of the bbc breakfast. we'll have all your news and sport headlines at 8:00. now it's time for this week's newswatch. should the bbc�*s sports and entertainment presenters be allowed to express political views online? welcome to newswatch with me, summeer ahmed —— welcome to newswatch with me, summeerahmed —— samira. coming up, there is new written guidance around social media use for gary lineker and other presenters, will it prevent future rows about bbc impartiality?— prevent future rows about bbc imartiali ? , ., ., , impartiality? hundreds of thousands of --eole impartiality? hundreds of thousands of people have _ impartiality? hundreds of thousands of people have written _ impartiality? hundreds of thousands of people have written up _ impartiality? hundreds of thousands of people have written up against. of people have written up against that. ~ ., , , ., first, we are always on the lookout for the expression of views about bbc news, so our attention was caught by a speech made at a dinner at the conservative party conference by the former home secretary. she led some applause, representatives of the gigabits news channel in the audience and went on.— of the gigabits news channel in the audience and went on. thank you for absolutely everything _ audience and went on. thank you for absolutely everything you _ audience and went on. thank you for absolutely everything you do, - absolutely everything you do, because this breaking news by think it's fair to say our country needed a new disruptive when it came to the broadcast media, to take on the on the establishment, the tory hating brexit bashing, free—speech deniers at the bbc in the so—called mainstream media. at the bbc in the so-called mainstream media.- at the bbc in the so-called mainstream media. , , mainstream media. those sentiments resonated with _ mainstream media. those sentiments resonated with someone _ mainstream media. those sentiments resonated with someone posting, - mainstream media. those sentiments| resonated with someone posting, who thought that everything she said about the bbc was spot on but former conservative mp rory stewart found her words deeply disturbing. let us know whether you agree that the bbc harbours tory hating, brexit bashing, free speech deniers and we welcome your views on the eternally controversial subject of weather news presenters interrupts too much in their interviews or whether the fault lies with their subjects, particularly when they are politicians, failing at some length to answer a question. take these examples. we to answer a question. take these examinee— to 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and you won't answer read. what you are saying this morning... the strength— what you are saying this morning... the strength of feeling on this issue, that is the first of my priorities. if issue, that is the first of my priorities-— issue, that is the first of my riorities. . ., , ., , priorities. ifi could please, ifi could--- _ priorities. ifi could please, ifi could... it's _ priorities. ifi could please, ifi could... it's really _ priorities. ifi could please, ifi could... it's really important i could... it's really important because _ could... it's really important because you said something i completely disagree with, and we are making _ completely disagree with, and we are making good progress. you completely disagree with, and we are making good progress.— completely disagree with, and we are making good progress. you have made the oint. making good progress. you have made the point- the — making good progress. you have made the point. the numbers _ making good progress. you have made the point. the numbers are _ making good progress. you have made the point. the numbers are coming - the point. the numbers are coming down. i the point. the numbers are coming down- i know _ the point. the numbers are coming down. i know things _ the point. the numbers are coming down. i know things are _ the point. the numbers are coming down. i know things are tough - the point. the numbers are coming down. i know things are tough and | down. i know things are tough and you have _ down. i know things are tough and you have work to do. ni down. i know things are tough and you have work to do.— you have work to do. ali chaplin contacted _ you have work to do. ali chaplin contacted us — you have work to do. ali chaplin contacted us with _ you have work to do. ali chaplin contacted us with her— you have work to do. ali chaplin contacted us with her analysis i you have work to do. ali chaplin | contacted us with her analysis of that interview. i contacted us with her analysis of that interview.— that interview. i have 'ust what's with this may h that interview. i have 'ust what's with this may rishi _ that interview. i have just what's with this may rishi sunak- with this may rishi sunak continually talk of a laura, answering her questions with what appeared to be pre— scripted points and failing to allow ancillary questions. ifound his performance bombastic and so unlike the cultured, measured person he so likes to portray. br; cultured, measured person he so likes to portray.— likes to portray. by four other members _ likes to portray. by four other members of _ likes to portray. by four other members of the _ likes to portray. by four other members of the audience, . likes to portray. by four other - members of the audience, blame should be laid not with the interviewee, but with the interviewer. a viewer called helen bags can someone please ask her to allow rishi sunak to answer a question and stop trying to make him say things he knows he cannot. it does not make the television, it does not make the television, it does not make the television, it does not help me as a viewer to know what he thinks anna makes me want to turn the tv off. you'll remember that row that had the bbc in march after gary lineker criticised the government's asylum policy in its wheat, he was suspended for bridging the corporation's impartiality rules, only to be allowed back on tv after most of his presenting colleagues in the sports department refused to appear on our in solidarity. a former boss of itm was then asked to conduct an independent review into the use of social media by bbc freelancers, in his report has now formed the basis of new guidance which requires presenters of some specified flagship sports and entertainment programmes not to endorse or attack a political party while those programmes are on the air and for while those programmes are on the airand fortwo while those programmes are on the air and for two weeks before and after. here is the bbc�*s director—general. after. here is the bbc's director-general.- after. here is the bbc's director-general. the new rules are clear. let director-general. the new rules are clear- let me _ director-general. the new rules are clear. let me be _ director-general. the new rules are clear. let me be very _ director-general. the new rules are clear. let me be very clear, - director-general. the new rules are clear. let me be very clear, and - clear. let me be very clear, and there are a couple of things in there, firstly, the bbc wants ability, respect through... and by the way that is for everyone. the second thing, it is clear that in terms of attacks and endorsements of political parties, or criticism of the character of individual politicians, it is out of bounds for those people who are presenting flagship programmes. brute those people who are presenting flagship programmes.— flagship programmes. we asked for someone from _ flagship programmes. we asked for someone from the _ flagship programmes. we asked for someone from the bbc _ flagship programmes. we asked for someone from the bbc to _ flagship programmes. we asked for someone from the bbc to talk- flagship programmes. we asked for someone from the bbc to talk to i flagship programmes. we asked forj someone from the bbc to talk to us about the new guidance on our request was declined. instead we are delighted to welcome to the news watch over a former managing editor of sky news who also worked on itv and the bbc, and is professor of journalism, and by richard, an ex— control of editorial policy here at the bbc and is now chair of editorial policy here at the bbc and is now. thank you both are coming on. do you think the guidance is clear? if on. do you think the guidance is clear? ,., on. do you think the guidance is clear? , ., �* �* clear? if both parties and the bbc and individual _ clear? if both parties and the bbc and individual presenters - clear? if both parties and the bbc and individual presenters play - clear? if both parties and the bbc and individual presenters play by| and individual presenters play by the spirit of these changes that i think it will be a success. but if either party chooses to be litigious, there's lots and the rules which is not really as clear as tim has just suggested. 51am rules which is not really as clear as tim hasjust suggested. as tim has 'ust suggested. such as? for as tim hasjust suggested. such as? for example — as tim hasjust suggested. such as? for example key _ as tim hasjust suggested. such as? for example key presenters, - for example key presenters, presenters of flagship programmes, let's say gary lineker, because he started this whole issue, they are told that they cannot criticise the character of individual politicians. what got us into this position was gary tweeting six months ago that he was better on the field of play and swell a brahmin was at the dispatch box. would these new rules stop him saying that again? because he was not criticising her character, was he? he wasn't calling her character into question, he's saying she's not good at the job. into question, he's saying she's not good at the job-— good at the 'ob. what do you think about the good at the job. what do you think about the guidance, _ good at the job. what do you think about the guidance, is _ good at the job. what do you think about the guidance, is it _ good at the job. what do you think about the guidance, is it clear- about the guidance, is it clear enough? i about the guidance, is it clear enouuh? ., ~' about the guidance, is it clear enouuh? ., ~ ., , . ., enough? i would like it to be clear, i think enough? i would like it to be clear, lthinkjohn — enough? i would like it to be clear, i thinkjohn hardy _ enough? i would like it to be clear, i thinkjohn hardy has _ enough? i would like it to be clear, i thinkjohn hardy has tried - enough? i would like it to be clear, i thinkjohn hardy has tried to - enough? i would like it to be clear, | i thinkjohn hardy has tried to make i thinkjohn hardy has tried to make it clear. _ i thinkjohn hardy has tried to make it clear, almost feel his pain trying — it clear, almost feel his pain trying to— it clear, almost feel his pain trying to cover the many things this situation _ trying to cover the many things this situation has brought up, i think it's not— situation has brought up, i think it's not very— situation has brought up, i think it's not very clear. it seems to me that a _ it's not very clear. it seems to me that a presenter could say they were a member— that a presenter could say they were a member of the monster raving loony party. _ a member of the monster raving loony party. quite _ a member of the monster raving loony party, quite clearly on social media, _ party, quite clearly on social media, but they can't sayjoin the monster— media, but they can't sayjoin the monster raving loony party, but what's — monster raving loony party, but what's the — monster raving loony party, but what's the difference? it's not clear— what's the difference? it's not clear what they can and cannot get away _ clear what they can and cannot get away with — clear what they can and cannot get awa with. . ., ., away with. richard mentioned the issue about _ away with. richard mentioned the issue about how— away with. richard mentioned the issue about how you _ away with. richard mentioned the issue about how you define - away with. richard mentioned the issue about how you define an - away with. richard mentioned the i issue about how you define an attack on character of a politician, i was interested that it's only two weeks before and after a series runs. i find that really bizarre because if they are associated with the bbc, they are associated with the bbc, it they are associated with the bbc, it it doesn't they are associated with the bbc, it doesn't matter on the run of the show �*s. gary lineker would have about ten days in the summer when he could say what he liked on social media, so it's really not very satisfactory that you have this strange, arbitrary two weeks before and after a show.— and after a show. crucially, with this guidance — and after a show. crucially, with this guidance prevents - and after a show. crucially, with this guidance prevents gary - and after a show. crucially, with . this guidance prevents gary lineker tweeting about asylum policy like you did before? this tweeting about asylum policy like you did before?— tweeting about asylum policy like you did before? this is the litmus test, and you did before? this is the litmus test. and i've _ you did before? this is the litmus test, and i've asked _ you did before? this is the litmus test, and i've asked a _ you did before? this is the litmus test, and i've asked a lot - you did before? this is the litmus test, and i've asked a lot of- test, and i've asked a lot of people, would he have got away with it under these guidelines or not? what do you think? i it under these guidelines or not? what do you think?— it under these guidelines or not? what do you think? i think probably not but the difficulty _ what do you think? i think probably not but the difficulty is _ what do you think? i think probably not but the difficulty is all— what do you think? i think probably not but the difficulty is all in - what do you think? i think probably not but the difficulty is all in the - not but the difficulty is all in the interpretation and application, so was not in the rules, it's the way the rules are applied, it's like caselaw, that's what we will have to go by. in any the bbc is bigger than presenters, the bbc can afford to have a row with presenters, but any in the bbc is paid for with everyone with a license fee, it has the cushion of all that money, it is not dependent on personalities and the same way as smaller channels that take a much biggerfinancial hit same way as smaller channels that take a much bigger financial hit the bbc, so that bbc can take on presenters and that is what will be really interesting, to see if they do that. i really interesting, to see if they do that. ., ., do that. i hate to disagree with you but i think beyond _ do that. i hate to disagree with you but i think beyond question - do that. i hate to disagree with you but i think beyond question gary i but i think beyond question gary would _ but i think beyond question gary would be — but i think beyond question gary would be able to say the things he said about — would be able to say the things he said about the government's asylum policy— said about the government's asylum policy six _ said about the government's asylum policy six months ago under the new rules. _ policy six months ago under the new rules, in— policy six months ago under the new rules, in fact— policy six months ago under the new rules, in fact the change in the rules, — rules, in fact the change in the rules, the _ rules, in fact the change in the rules, the bbc has moved along rules, in fact the change in the rules, the bbc has moved a long way to the _ rules, the bbc has moved a long way to the lineker 's of this world, for the first— to the lineker 's of this world, for the first time, the bbc is saying explicitly— the first time, the bbc is saying explicitly that these top programme presenters who are household names across _ presenters who are household names across the _ presenters who are household names across the country are now able to express _ across the country are now able to express their personal views on social— express their personal views on social media about topics which they feel strongly about, and presumably also about— feel strongly about, and presumably also about topics they don't feel strongly— also about topics they don't feel strongly about as well. he feels strongly— strongly about as well. he feels strongly about as well. he feels strongly about immigration and provided — strongly about immigration and provided that he is civil, in other words _ provided that he is civil, in other words he — provided that he is civil, in other words he doesn't swear, it's people, it seems— words he doesn't swear, it's people, it seems to — words he doesn't swear, it's people, it seems to me that he can say precisely— it seems to me that he can say precisely what he feels about the government's immigration policy. that proves my point because that's your view but i've heard many people expressing a very different view which is that he probably would not have been able to do so because under the rules he might have been seen as maligning the character of a politician. it is clear as mud. many news staff were _ politician. it is clear as mud. many news staff were and _ politician. it is clear as mud. many news staff were and unhappy i politician. it is clear as mud. many news staff were and unhappy at his comments on social media and licence payers don't see the difference between news and non— news bbc presenters and this is new guidance for the journalist at the bbc, is that a cause for concern? it is a loosening _ that a cause for concern? it is a loosening of — that a cause for concern? it is a loosening of the _ that a cause for concern? it is a loosening of the rules - that a cause for concern? it is a loosening of the rules for i that a cause for concern? it is a loosening of the rules for gary. that a cause for concern? it is a i loosening of the rules for gary and half a _ loosening of the rules for gary and half a dozen or a dozen topline presenters, and it is a restatement of the _ presenters, and it is a restatement of the rules— presenters, and it is a restatement of the rules you, samira, you cannot tell people _ of the rules you, samira, you cannot tell people anything on social media that might be remotely political controversial, and frankly you signed — controversial, and frankly you signed up _ controversial, and frankly you signed up to that many years ago, i signed _ signed up to that many years ago, i signed up _ signed up to that many years ago, i signed up to that many years ago, i signed up to 50 years ago, you just live with _ signed up to 50 years ago, you just live with it — signed up to 50 years ago, you just live with it. should you really resent — live with it. should you really resent the that people like gary, who absolutely don't have editorial control— who absolutely don't have editorial control of— who absolutely don't have editorial control of the programme, they don't feature _ control of the programme, they don't feature in _ control of the programme, they don't feature in programmes which are political— feature in programmes which are political or— feature in programmes which are political or public policy in nature and they— political or public policy in nature and they have a life outside the bbc as well, _ and they have a life outside the bbc as well, they make a lot of money from _ as well, they make a lot of money from the _ as well, they make a lot of money from the bbc but even more from other— from the bbc but even more from other sources, can you really constrain— other sources, can you really constrain their ability to express their— constrain their ability to express their opinion? 30 constrain their ability to express their opinion?— constrain their ability to express their oinion? . , .., their opinion? so much news content now comes — their opinion? so much news content now comes out _ their opinion? so much news content now comes out in _ their opinion? so much news content now comes out in the _ their opinion? so much news content now comes out in the likes _ their opinion? so much news content now comes out in the likes of- their opinion? so much news content now comes out in the likes of talk i now comes out in the likes of talk radio and tv news, very overtly opinionated, and in that very changed media landscape isn't futile of the bbc to try and hold back the tide at all? is of the bbc to try and hold back the tide at all? , ., , , tide at all? is absolutely the o- osite tide at all? is absolutely the opposite of— tide at all? is absolutely the opposite of futile, _ tide at all? is absolutely the opposite of futile, because i tide at all? is absolutely the i opposite of futile, because the unique selling of the bbc is its impartiality, and it's a very difficult thing to achieve, it's a very difficult thing on occasion to define, but it's a bit like a sneeze, you can't really describe it but we all know what a sneeze is and that's what we're aiming for with impartiality, you know it is a great thing, that we really want on the bbc, so actually it's in the bbc's interest to stick to the impartiality idea because that's what identifies it as different and special to people.— what identifies it as different and special to people. thank you to you both. thank you for your comments this week. if you want to share your opinions about what you see or hear on bbc news, on tv, radio, online and social media, e—mail us. or you can find us on x, formerly known as twitter. you can call us on the number below. to have a look at previous interviews on our website. that's all from us for now, thank you forjoining us, do think about getting in touch and perhaps even coming on the programme, we will be back to him more of your thoughts about how the bbc covers news good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thompson. our headlines today... palestinian militants from gaza have launched a surprise attack on targets in israel, killing at least one person. the military says it's preparing for war. energy companies are holding £8 billion of customers' money as credit — now there are calls to give it back within 30 days. dangerous climate change territory — a warning from scientists after a third of the days this year saw the average global temperature breach a key threshold. in sport, it's make or break time for scotland at the rugby world cup — if they're to stay in france, they'll need the performance of a lifetime to beat the world number one side ireland and reach the quarter—finals. we'll catch up with the three mums who are walking to honour the sons they lost to suicide. while parts of scotland will see relentless rain and flooding today, for others in the south it will be a day of warmth and sunshine. the full forecast coming up. it's saturday the 7th of october. our main story is some breaking news from israel, which is under attack by armed palestinian militants. the attack began with a barrage of rockets which killed at least one israeli citizen. hamas said it fired 5000. it was followed by an infiltration of what the israeli defence forces called "terrorists" have infiltrated from gaza, with reports of them shooting at people on the streets. israel has declared a state of readiness for work. our reporter has the latest. rockets launched from gaza into israel in what appears to be a surprise attack that started just after dawn. the palestinian militant group hamas claimed it launched 5000 rockets in the space of 20 minutes, militants are said to have entered israeli territory in a number of different locations. hamas has called on palestinians of a better fight. has called on palestinians of a betterfight. it's has called on palestinians of a better fight. it's really by bettors have tackled the flames north of gaza. the defence forces are telling residents around in the gaza strip to stay inside for the people in southern and central areas must remain next to shelters. it says it is conducting what it calls a situational assessment saying hamas would face the consequences and responsibility for these events. the israeli prime minister was preparing to meet top security officials. in gaza, people are fleeing their homes as retaliatory strikes are being fired in a morning of wretched intentions. simonjones, bbc news. we have to our correspondent in the region just as soon as we can establish communications, fast—moving situations so we will keep you up—to—date with developments. we will get more from that later. note the rest of the main stories.— that later. note the rest of the main stories. ., ,, , ., main stories. thank you. never get to our middle _ main stories. thank you. never get to our middle east _ main stories. thank you. never get to our middle east editor _ main stories. thank you. never get to our middle east editorjust i main stories. thank you. never get to our middle east editorjust as i to our middle east editorjust as soon as we can. a former director at the regulator ofgem, has called on energy firms to refund customers more quickly, if they've built up credit on their accounts and ask for it back. it comes after the bbc revealed that in the first three months of this year, credit held by energy firms was more than £8 billion. dan whitworth reports. credit built up by people paying for their energy using monthly direct debits can be a good thing. it helps customers budget and smooths out higher winter bills with lower summer ones to keep costs the same all year round. but too much or excessive credit and crucially, customers not getting it back when they ask for it, is a problem. just over a month ago, i asked for £500 of my £1,400 credit back because the system shown on the energy supplier's website seemed so simple and so straightforward and so customer friendly. that i thought it was the right thing to do. unfortunately, after numerous emails, i haven't even had an acknowledgement, let alone any response, to whether they agreed to let me have my own money back. in the first three months of this year, energy suppliers held more than £8 billion of customers money in the form of credit on people's accounts. during the same period, customers owed nearly £2 billion. now, a former non—executive director at the regulator, ofgem, says this issue of excessive credit needs looking at. it's understandable that some money is held in credit balances, but £8 billion at a time when it's maximum energy usage in the middle of a cold winter? that's wrong. timely needs to be defined and ofgem need to set down a really proper, tight, hard rule on what a timely refund of balances is. i would suggest 30 days as a maximum. energy uk, which speaks for suppliers, said when that £8 billion was held, prices were extremely volatile. the level of government help was unknown and that it's not meaningful to compare credit and debt. regulator ofgem, meanwhile, says it's strengthened the rules around direct debit to stop excessive credit being built up, adding customers have the right to ask for it back whenever they want and if they're not happy, they can complain to their supplier and then the energy ombudsman. dan whitworth, bbc news. we will return to their breaking story that people achieve that israel is under attack from palestinian militants. we can go to our correspondent now. at least one israeli citizen has been killed and two palestinian citizens, this has come out of nowhere, this surprise assault? . , ~ . assault? that is right. we have switched very _ assault? that is right. we have switched very quickly, - assault? that is right. we have switched very quickly, i - assault? that is right. we have switched very quickly, i have i assault? that is right. we have i switched very quickly, i have just come _ switched very quickly, i have just come out — switched very quickly, i have just come out of the safe here in our jerusalem — come out of the safe here in our jerusalem bureau because they saw longer— jerusalem bureau because they saw longer range rockets that are being used from — longer range rockets that are being used from gaza, really intense backlash — used from gaza, really intense backlash is coming out since after dawn _ backlash is coming out since after dawn. hamas militant group which governs _ dawn. hamas militant group which governs gaza claiming it has fired several _ governs gaza claiming it has fired several thousand rockets and a colleague in gaza says that seems likely— colleague in gaza says that seems likely because it isjust such intense _ likely because it isjust such intense rocket fire that we have going _ intense rocket fire that we have going on~ — intense rocket fire that we have going on. at the same time what is unprecedented unfortunate people by surprise _ unprecedented unfortunate people by surprise as the reports of infiltration by palestinian militants and hamas militants from gaza into _ militants and hamas militants from gaza into southern israel and their social— gaza into southern israel and their social media as it videos which are quite _ social media as it videos which are quite shocking, militants hiding in the gardens of people's homes in the south _ the gardens of people's homes in the south of— the gardens of people's homes in the south of estoril. you can see pictures— south of estoril. you can see pictures for it appears they have cut through the perimeter fence around — cut through the perimeter fence around gaza to an terrestrial on motorbikes. there are unconfirmed reports _ motorbikes. there are unconfirmed reports on — motorbikes. there are unconfirmed reports on palestinian media saying several— reports on palestinian media saying several israeli soldiers have been captured — several israeli soldiers have been captured by hamas, we cannot verify those _ captured by hamas, we cannot verify those reports, there has been no comment— those reports, there has been no comment on them from the israeli military— comment on them from the israeli military but there are also pictures circulating — military but there are also pictures circulating and videos you can see that there — circulating and videos you can see that there are a palestinian striving _ that there are a palestinian striving israeli military vehicles apparently in the south of the gaza strip so— apparently in the south of the gaza strip so there was also seen to have been _ strip so there was also seen to have been captured. this is a fast developing situation. all the time, the sirens— developing situation. all the time, the sirens going off so people are having _ the sirens going off so people are having to — the sirens going off so people are having to hurry into their safe rooms — having to hurry into their safe rooms and _ having to hurry into their safe rooms and look for cover from incoming _ rooms and look for cover from incoming missiles. we rooms and look for cover from incoming missiles.— rooms and look for cover from incomin: missiles. ~ ~' ., �* ., incoming missiles. we know ben'amin netan ahu incoming missiles. we know ben'amin netanyahu -s — incoming missiles. we know ben'amin netanyahu 's office i incoming missiles. we know ben'amin netanyahu 's office released i incoming missiles. we know ben'amin netanyahu 's office released a i netanyahu �*s office released a statement saying it has declared a statement saying it has declared a state of readiness for war. obviously we are keeping an eye on this and there are developments on the bbc news web page but what does that mean, a state of readiness for war and what are the implications? i mean, is really so responding to what _ mean, is really so responding to what is — mean, is really so responding to what is happening, the situation we have now. — what is happening, the situation we have now, notjust hamas but islamic jihad. _ have now, notjust hamas but islamic jihad. the _ have now, notjust hamas but islamic jihad, the second biggest militant group _ jihad, the second biggest militant group in _ jihad, the second biggest militant group in gaza saying it isjoining this campaign. the hamas commander who announced the start of the operation — who announced the start of the operation called on palestinians ever gratified looking in particular are palestinians in the west bank and there — are palestinians in the west bank and there have been calls from one of the _ and there have been calls from one of the smaller local militant groups there _ of the smaller local militant groups there which has a strong following, for people — there which has a strong following, for people to take up lone wolf attacks~ — for people to take up lone wolf attacks. this is a time whenjewish israelis _ attacks. this is a time whenjewish israelis are — attacks. this is a time whenjewish israelis are marking the end of a special— israelis are marking the end of a special holiday, many people have been _ special holiday, many people have been away from home or relaxing. things— been away from home or relaxing. things have — been away from home or relaxing. things have been pretty calm in the run-up— things have been pretty calm in the run-up to _ things have been pretty calm in the run—up to this as far as many israelis — run—up to this as far as many israelis were concerned so this is really— israelis were concerned so this is really coming out of the blue and be know _ really coming out of the blue and be know as _ really coming out of the blue and be know as well israeli army reservists are being _ know as well israeli army reservists are being called up now so they can also be _ are being called up now so they can also be part— are being called up now so they can also be part of any israeli military operation — also be part of any israeli military operation that takes place in terms of retaliation. this operation that takes place in terms of retaliation.— of retaliation. this is a developing sto , et of retaliation. this is a developing story. yet return _ of retaliation. this is a developing story, yet return to _ of retaliation. this is a developing story, yet return to the _ of retaliation. this is a developing story, yet return to the safe i of retaliation. this is a developing story, yet return to the safe room j story, yet return to the safe room with your team and thank you for keeping us updated. that was our middle east correspondent and of course we will keep you updated throughout the day. funerals are taking place in the ukrainian village where 52 people, including a child, were killed by a single russian missile strike. it happened in the kharkiv region on thursday — the united nations has dispatched investigators to determine if it was a war crime. people in the village say every single family has been affected by the attack. a 36—year—old man has appeared in court charged with plotting to kidnap and murder the tv presenter, holly willoughby. gavin plumb, from harlow in essex, was remanded in custody and will attend a plea hearing at chelmsford crown court next month. holly willoughby hasn't appeared on this morning since wednesday, and itv says it's providing full support to her and herfamily, the government has apologised — and ordered an inquiry — after admitting it miscalculated its funding plans, meaning schools in england will get less money than promised next year. headteachers leaders said it was a "frustrating" mistake as the school budgets were already planned. the former transport secretary chris grayling, has announced he will stand down as an mp at the next election. he said he made the decision after prostate cancer treatment which — while successful — has made him realise it's time for a change after 22 years in parliament. scientists are warning there's been a record number of days this year where global temperatures have risen above a key threshold marking dangerous climate change. our environment correspondent matt mcgrath explains. rising temperatures are having a profound effect on our planet this year. shrinking sea ice in antarctica is posing problems for penguins. and as fires took hold once again in tenerife following record spanish heat in september, scientists said they were gobsmacked by the scale of the jump in global temperatures last month. now the bbc data team has found that the number of days that have breached the 1.5 sea temperature threshold is also a record breaker. in paris in 2015, political leaders agreed a plan to permanently tackle climate change. a key element is keeping the rise in global temperatures under 1.5 celsius this century. but a bbc analysis shows that in the year to date, nearly one in three days were above the limit. while permanently breaching the threshold will take decades, climate scientists say that all these days over the level are a clear sign of things to come. this is a really, like, pre—warning for people to understand if we're having extreme events based on just exceeding 1.5 for a few days here and there, what would it be like on the long term? and it is a scarier story, but it's better to be more prepared. we need to be more resilient, adapt quicker and obviously deal with the root cause of what's causing the warming that we can do something about. while the root cause of the warming seen this year is the ongoing human emissions of warming gases, another element driving up temperatures is el nino. this natural event sees heat surge from the pacific ocean to the atmosphere, and scientists say its impact is now growing stronger. they believe that this combination will likely see 2023 gain the unwelcome title of warmest year on record. matt mcgrath, bbc news. this is the definition of frustrating if you are ever trying to get stuff done. now, do you ever have one of those jobs that simply has to be done no matter what gets in your way? that was the situation facing this road re—surfacing crew in scarborough, which had to work around a car whose owner had failed to move it. council officials says they couldn't legally move the car, and that staff will return to complete the work at a later date. ido i do not understand that. just lift it up and put it back later. fhb. it up and put it back later. fha passcode _ it up and put it back later. fha passcode to — it up and put it back later. fha passcode to be _ it up and put it back later. fha passcode to be done, - it up and put it back later. fh�*i. passcode to be done, get it done. most of it is done. and we are all waiting to see who the owner of the car is and how they will get back and pick it up and not not be too embarrassed.— and pick it up and not not be too embarrassed. , ., embarrassed. they will get to drive on a very clean _ embarrassed. they will get to drive on a very clean and _ embarrassed. they will get to drive on a very clean and smooth - embarrassed. they will get to drive on a very clean and smooth road. l embarrassed. they will get to drive j on a very clean and smooth road. it is 13 minutes past eight. matt, it is 13 minutes past eight. matt, it is a tale of two ends of the country, isn't it?— is a tale of two ends of the country, isn't it? is a tale of two ends of the count , isn't it? _, ., ., ., country, isn't it? good morning to ou. country, isn't it? good morning to you- scenes— country, isn't it? good morning to you. scenes like _ country, isn't it? good morning to you. scenes like this _ country, isn't it? good morning to you. scenes like this from - country, isn't it? good morning to you. scenes like this from the i you. scenes like this from the south, and warmth for october, the other end of scotland we have dark clouds and heavy rain and the met office has issued an amber whether running through it all tonight, these serious night on whether glasgow we could see travel disruptions occurring especially on the rails and we could see landslips and flooding especially as the total start up through the day and looking at the forecast over the next few hours, extensive rain through scotland, dry in orkney and shetland, shuttle and sunny spells with some showers and not quite as windy as yesterday but the rain sets in place when much of the day, eating slowly as far south as scotland. i welcome that, so any splashes of rain through northern ireland and england clearing, turned around the western coasts but most dry with sunny spells. took over the rain across scotland, chilly wind, across aberdeen 6—9 , contrast that further south, and sunshine we could hit 25 degrees, a good eight or 9 degrees above quote we should be for this time of year. tonight the minister across scotland edging northwards, heavier burst but away from those areas and amber at the moment, head south gets dry with mist and fog and temperature is around 9—i4 mist and fog and temperature is around 9—14 to start tomorrow. tomorrow, the heaviest of the rain is in northern scotland, some showers for the south but many of us try and another one day. back to you. like the look of that, thank you. like the look of that, thank you. such a real difference right across the country. i do you. such a real difference right across the country.— you. such a real difference right across the country. i do not think ou across the country. i do not think you would _ across the country. i do not think you would like — across the country. i do not think you would like it _ across the country. i do not think you would like it if _ across the country. i do not think you would like it if you _ across the country. i do not think you would like it if you get i across the country. i do not think you would like it if you get the i you would like it if you get the seasons. ,., ., ., ., ., you would like it if you get the seasons. ., ., ., seasons. google hang onto some warmth for _ seasons. google hang onto some warmth for a _ seasons. google hang onto some warmth for a little _ seasons. google hang onto some warmth for a little bit _ seasons. google hang onto some warmth for a little bit longer. if l warmth for a little bit longer. if you are down south in england. not in scotland. it is a quarter past eight. nearly three weeks ago on breakfast we introduced you to three mums who were about to start a walk from cheshire to kent in memory of their sons, who all died by suicide. well — after more than 200 miles, a few tears, and a lot of support along the way — they're nearly there. they're due to finish tomorrow, in sandwich. breakfast�*sjohn maguire caught up with them as they reached london. chattering. wherever they've been over the past two weeks of walking, the three mums have also been talking to each other, to their friends and family, travelling with them, and to other people affected by suicide and mental health issues. they tell their stories, but so important to them, click also the stories of their sons, all three lost to suicide. michelle's son max was 17 when he died. really unique that didn't need followers, didn't bother to follow him. so at peace with himself. and the scary thing is, is that, you know, and people don't like to hear it, but if max did it, anyone can. and that's my message, really. graham pike, a london cabbie, has come to wish them well. he volunteers with a group called the proper blokes club. they, too, promote the value of walking and talking. and what do you think about what the mums are doing? oh, brilliant. my dad committed suicide and to lose a son isjust heart wrenching. but yeah, they're brilliant ladies, aren't they like, the three dadys walking as well. so yeah. so it's good. it's getting more and more publicity. need to talk about suicide. they've covered around two thirds of their 265 mile trek, taking in their hometowns and visiting schools from staffordshire through northamptonshire to london and then onto kent. inspired by the success of the three dads before them, the suicide prevention charity, papyrus, has now brought three more families together, and so they drop in to say hello. the walk is to raise awareness and funds for papyrus, so it seemed only sensible. we're not passing far from the route, so we decided we'd make contact see if we could call into the office the guys that been giving us all the support that we could say, "we're here, we're still marching on". what they're doing to raise funds for us is going - to make such a difference. more suicide prevention- training means more people calling our helpline, i but it also means we can get more volunteers. and when we have those i volunteers, they can go out and raise awareness as well. it's huge. their boys are with them every step, they say, and they wear their pictures around their necks. this is lizzy�*s son, seb. it's a difficult day for kim. london is where her son hayden took his life. she'll visit the scene for the first time, but herfamily are by her side. we're all here to represent hayden, and we're going to go and put flowers down for him in a minute. yeah, yeah. it's his little day today. out of all the walk, this was the day that i was a little bit, you know, apprehensive about. but i've got my family here and yeah, it means a lot. yeah. they'll get you through. they'll get me through. they'll hold me up. and walking with the three mums today, the two jamies, hayden's best friend and one of his brothers. it's got a lot of significance. we'll be walking close to location where he died as well, so we're here to support my mum. what the three mums are doing is really good, it's amazing and hopefully they raise lots of money and lots of awareness as well. this is me and hayden. you see both of us. very young there. you were in school together? yeah. school, secondary school. | i was with hayden his last...the| night he'd done what he'd done. i was with him. 0k. we used to go out together - all the time, nights out and stuff. we've got good memories together. you miss him, eh? oh, badly. badly. 0k. and you say this... this sits in your room? yeah, right beside the bed. every morning i look at it. do you? yeah. back on the road, and they knew it was never going to be a walk in the park unless that park is 265 miles wide, of course. but despite what they describe as blisters upon blisters, and antibiotics for infected toes, they complete yet another day. bath, epsom salts, feet up, then a soak in magnesium salts. 0k. it's not very sexy, but it works! laughter. with the end on sunday in sight, these are now often sore and often small steps for the three mums. but their determination and their message of hope are proving to be giant leaps for suicide prevention. john maguire, bbc news, london. if you have been affected by any of the issues raised, help is available from bbc action line — just visit bbc.co.uk/actionline matt was telling us earlier about the unseasonal warm autumn weather. you might think this unusually warm autumn weather would be welcomed by open water swimmers — but one group in northern ireland may be hoping for colder temperatures. that's because lough neagh near belfast, has been plagued with blue—green algae, forcing swimmers to go elsewhere — but there's a chance that a spell of cold, dark weather will help to stop it. mark simpson has the story. ten miles east of lough neagh, a safe place to swim, but it's just not the same. the lough neagh monster dunkers swimming group started five years ago. they have their own towels, hats and badges, but they no longer have a place to call home. i miss it really, really badly. we haven't been in since may and it would have been three times a week. we love our lough. i'm going down, checking it every day to see how it's i doing and looking at the, - you know, the ducks and the swans swimming in that green stuff. and the smell is awful. it has had a massive impact on this group. we all come from different towns, may it be lurgan, portadown, even some close to moira here. banbridge. we have ones coming from belfast. we've had to travel here to moira lakes and they have to give us a slot once a week. we are took out of our comfort zones of having to just get up and go when we want. we just have to take that one slot once a week. could you end up fizzling out if you can't get back into the tough? no, i don't think that'll ever happen. we're too strong a group. covid never broke us, so the algae isn't going to break us. cheering. back here at lough neagh, the question is, when will swimmers be allowed back in? could it be weeks, months, or could it even be years? well, i suppose the short answer, mark, is i'm hoping that they'll be able to get back in the tough in months. but there's a bit of a question mark over that as well, because itjust depends how mild an autumn we have. as the light drops in autumn, then we expect to see less blooms. but obviously we've just had it come out of a really warm weekend and if those temperatures stay up, then we may still be getting algal blooms and algal scums. it means the lough neagh swimmers are going to have to be patient and make the most of their alternative arrangements. that was our reporter mark simpson reporting. it's just it'sjust approaching it's just approaching 24 minutes past eight. a former director at the regulator ofgem has called for tighter time scales for energy firms to refund the credit which builds up on some customers' bills. if you were watching last weekend you'll know that dan whitworth, from radio 4's money box revealed that the total credit held in the first three months of this year was more than eight billion pounds. dan joins us now. since the conversation last weekend, people are being and have been keeping an eye on their money. brute keeping an eye on their money. we have been inundated with contact from _ have been inundated with contact from people and the vast majority of contact _ from people and the vast majority of contact is _ from people and the vast majority of contact is negative about their experiences, some are positive, saying _ experiences, some are positive, saying they have had good customer service _ saying they have had good customer service and — saying they have had good customer service and when they have asked for credit— service and when they have asked for credit back— service and when they have asked for credit back they had gathered in a timely— credit back they had gathered in a timely manner but the vast majority have been— timely manner but the vast majority have been negative. one thing important to say as credit is not a bad thing — important to say as credit is not a bad thing especially at this time of year in _ bad thing especially at this time of year in september, october, you'll pay a _ year in september, october, you'll pay a little — year in september, october, you'll pay a little bit more in the summer when _ pay a little bit more in the summer when the _ pay a little bit more in the summer when the bill is low so you build up credits _ when the bill is low so you build up credits and — when the bill is low so you build up credits and in september or october it can _ credits and in september or october it can help— credits and in september or october it can help you deal with high winter— it can help you deal with high winter bills but the 8.1 billion was in february— winter bills but the 8.1 billion was in february and march of that will io in february and march of that will go towards what the industry because the end _ go towards what the industry because the end of— go towards what the industry because the end of usage season which is basically— the end of usage season which is basically for a new balance to be around _ basically for a new balance to be around £0 — basically for a new balance to be around £0 or as close to some of the questions _ around £0 or as close to some of the questions have been raised or at that time — questions have been raised or at that time of year, that has been a bit of— that time of year, that has been a bit of a _ that time of year, that has been a bit of a problem. in a bit of a problem _ bit of a problem. in a bit of a problem for the people getting in touch— problem for the people getting in touch with us and one of the people in touch— touch with us and one of the people in touch with us john from nottingham told us his story. just over a month _ nottingham told us his story. just over a month ago i asked for £500 of my £1400 _ over a month ago i asked for £500 of my £1400 credit— over a month ago i asked for £500 of my £1400 credit back, _ over a month ago i asked for £500 of my £1400 credit back, unfortunatelyl my £1400 credit back, unfortunately after numerous _ my £1400 credit back, unfortunately after numerous e—mails _ my £1400 credit back, unfortunately after numerous e—mails i _ my £1400 credit back, unfortunately after numerous e—mails i haven't- after numerous e—mails i haven't even _ after numerous e—mails i haven't even had — after numerous e—mails i haven't even had an— after numerous e—mails i haven't even had an acknowledgement i after numerous e—mails i haven'tl even had an acknowledgement let alone _ even had an acknowledgement let alone any— even had an acknowledgement let alone any response _ even had an acknowledgement let alone any response to _ even had an acknowledgement let alone any response to whether i even had an acknowledgement let i alone any response to whether they agreed _ alone any response to whether they agreed to— alone any response to whether they agreed to let — alone any response to whether they agreed to let me _ alone any response to whether they agreed to let me have _ alone any response to whether they agreed to let me have my— alone any response to whether they agreed to let me have my own i alone any response to whether they. agreed to let me have my own money back _ agreed to let me have my own money back. , , . ., , agreed to let me have my own money back. ,,. ._ ., back. this is clearly not right. he should be able _ back. this is clearly not right. he should be able to _ back. this is clearly not right. he should be able to get _ back. this is clearly not right. he should be able to get all - back. this is clearly not right. he should be able to get all that i back. this is clearly not right. he i should be able to get all that money back if he wants and he has asked for a less than half of that. he should be getting it back in a timely way from his supplier and that has not happened. ofgem need to set down a proper tight, hard work and what a timely refund balance is and what a timely refund balance is and i suggest 30 days as at maximum. as he sets many people getting in touch. let's look at some of them because they are quite specific cases. nicola says she saw the report and she told us her mum who was 75 s o 2000 points and has been trying to get it back sincejune with no luck. she says she has just been passed from pillar to post and once you know that money is that you want it back? that once you know that money is that you want it back?— once you know that money is that you want it back? that has summed up the ma'ori of want it back? that has summed up the majority of messages. _ want it back? that has summed up the majority of messages. excessive i majority of messages. excessive credit, _ majority of messages. excessive credit, just no way that lady should have to _ credit, just no way that lady should have to pass on points, unless she is burning — have to pass on points, unless she is burning a — have to pass on points, unless she is burning a huge amount of gas and spending _ is burning a huge amount of gas and spending a _ is burning a huge amount of gas and spending a huge amount on electricity, which i doubt, her credit— electricity, which i doubt, her credit should not have built up on the second — credit should not have built up on the second problem is getting the credit— the second problem is getting the credit back. it is her money and she is entitled _ credit back. it is her money and she is entitled to — credit back. it is her money and she is entitled to it and that is what the regulator keeps telling us. people — the regulator keeps telling us. people can ask for the money back, they are _ people can ask for the money back, they are supposed to get back in a timely— they are supposed to get back in a timely fashion but if you have been waiting _ timely fashion but if you have been waiting since june, timely fashion but if you have been waiting sincejune, it timely fashion but if you have been waiting since june, it is not timely _ waiting since june, it is not timel . , , , . ., waiting since june, it is not timel. timely. timely is such a sub'ective term. students i timely. timely is such a sub'ective term. students says i timely. timely is such a sub'ective term. students says what i timely. timely is such a subjective term. students says what do - timely. timely is such a subjective term. students says what do i - timely. timely is such a subjective | term. students says what do i have to do to get a refund, chasing more than £2700 for her supplier since july, contacted them dozens of times and nothing. the july, contacted them dozens of times and nothing-— july, contacted them dozens of times and nothinu. , ., , , ., and nothing. the energy ombudsman, reall aood and nothing. the energy ombudsman, really good protection _ and nothing. the energy ombudsman, really good protection of _ and nothing. the energy ombudsman, really good protection of consumer- really good protection of consumer rights, _ really good protection of consumer rights, completely independent of simplot _ rights, completely independent of simplot irish and the regulators and a does _ simplot irish and the regulators and a does the _ simplot irish and the regulators and a does the a box for consumers so if you complain— a does the a box for consumers so if you complain to your energy supplier for example on the issue of credit, could _ for example on the issue of credit, could be _ for example on the issue of credit, could be about anything, if you are not happy— could be about anything, if you are not happy with how the complaint is dealt with_ not happy with how the complaint is dealt with or takes eight or longer then you — dealt with or takes eight or longer then you have the right to go to the energy— then you have the right to go to the energy ombudsman and in her particular— energy ombudsman and in her particular case if she has been waiting — particular case if she has been waiting since july she can go to the energy— waiting since july she can go to the energy ombudsman now and have them take up— energy ombudsman now and have them take up her_ energy ombudsman now and have them take up her case. he energy ombudsman now and have them take up her case-— take up her case. he said most of them were _ take up her case. he said most of them were negative _ take up her case. he said most of them were negative because - take up her case. he said most of i them were negative because people have been struggling, this is from betty said she had a balance of 1100 earlier this year, she asked for half of it back which was quite sensible because you never know... yet not the cushion. she said she got it back in ten days and to provide a her she could have had a dog if she had wanted it so a positive result.— dog if she had wanted it so a positive result. that is how the s stem positive result. that is how the system are _ positive result. that is how the system are supposed - positive result. that is how the system are supposed to - positive result. that is how the system are supposed to work | positive result. that is how the - system are supposed to work which makes _ system are supposed to work which makes it_ system are supposed to work which makes it worse for the people who have contacted us when the system is not working — have contacted us when the system is not working. is it have contacted us when the system is not working-— not working. is it because people are building _ not working. is it because people are building up — not working. is it because people are building up credit _ not working. is it because people are building up credit because . not working. is it because people i are building up credit because they have direct debit? in are building up credit because they have direct debit?— are building up credit because they have direct debit? in check checking account which _ have direct debit? in check checking account which represents _ have direct debit? in check checking account which represents suppliersl account which represents suppliers told us _ account which represents suppliers told us about this £8.1 billion figure — told us about this £8.1 billion figure forjanuary, february and march _ figure forjanuary, february and march and — figure forjanuary, february and march and explained to us crisis at that time — march and explained to us crisis at that time were extremely volatile, the level— that time were extremely volatile, the level of government help was unknown — the level of government help was unknown and also its not meaningful to compare — unknown and also its not meaningful to compare figures for example like credit— to compare figures for example like credit versus debt. so it's a difficult _ credit versus debt. so it's a difficult one but that is with the suppliers— difficult one but that is with the suppliers will say. the difficult one but that is with the suppliers will say.— difficult one but that is with the suppliers will say. the industry has res - onded suppliers will say. the industry has resnonded in _ suppliers will say. the industry has responded in that _ suppliers will say. the industry has responded in that way _ suppliers will say. the industry has responded in that way but - suppliers will say. the industry has responded in that way but at - suppliers will say. the industry has responded in that way but at this i responded in that way but at this moment in time, timely fashion we have said, a vague term. what are people's rights? the have said, a vague term. what are peeple's rights?— people's rights? the rights are arain, people's rights? the rights are again. that _ people's rights? the rights are again. that is _ people's rights? the rights are again, that is as _ people's rights? the rights are again, that is as good - people's rights? the rights are again, that is as good as - people's rights? the rights are again, that is as good as it - people's rights? the rights are i again, that is as good as it gets, it is your— again, that is as good as it gets, it is your money and you can ask for it is your money and you can ask for it hack— it is your money and you can ask for it back but — it is your money and you can ask for it back but the guidance of the rules— it back but the guidance of the rules from ofgem are specifically a timely— rules from ofgem are specifically a timely fashion and that is one of the issues — timely fashion and that is one of the issues that christine the former director— the issues that christine the former director at — the issues that christine the former director at ofgem has. there should be a specific number of days on that, _ be a specific number of days on that, five. _ be a specific number of days on that, five, ten, 30 days. we heard from _ that, five, ten, 30 days. we heard from angus— that, five, ten, 30 days. we heard from angus mcneil mp who chairs the select— from angus mcneil mp who chairs the select committee on energy and he says there — select committee on energy and he says there is no reason that cannot be says there is no reason that cannot he pretty— says there is no reason that cannot be pretty much immediate, we know how quickly— be pretty much immediate, we know how quickly bank transfers happen, even if— how quickly bank transfers happen, even if it— how quickly bank transfers happen, even if it takes five or ten days it's still— even if it takes five or ten days it's still a — even if it takes five or ten days it's still a lot better than the people — it's still a lot better than the people getting in touch with us. that £8— people getting in touch with us. that £8 billion number, volatile prices, when we get the next number we should expect it to be lower? will be very interested to find out and money box, as soon as we do, i will let— and money box, as soon as we do, i will let you — and money box, as soon as we do, i will let you know.— will let you know. much more on this, will let you know. much more on this. radio _ will let you know. much more on this, radio 4. — will let you know. much more on this, radio 4, at _ will let you know. much more on this, radio 4, at midday - will let you know. much more on this, radio 4, at midday today, | will let you know. much more on - this, radio 4, at midday today, box. the time is 830 and chair headlines are coming next. hello, this is breakfast with ben thompson and naga munchetty. it is just after 8:30am. let's bring up it is just after 8:30am. let's bring up to date on a developing story. israeli defence forces say they are on a "war footing" following a major attack by palestinian militants, which is still ongoing. the surprise attack began with a barrage of rockets which killed at least one israeli citizen. hamas says it fired 5,000. it was followed by what has been described as an infiltration of what the israeli defence forces called "terrorists" from gaza, with reports of "dozens" of gunmen shooting at people on the streets, attacking troops and seizing military vehicles. israel has reportedly shelled areas in the gaza strip, with at least two palestinians dead. we are getting some pictures through from the region. this is in southern israel, and we understand that this is ongoing. we are talking to our middle east correspondence a little earlier. there are reports of gunmen in people's gardens in various areas of the region. there have been explosions reported near tel aviv, region surrounding gaza. the rhetoric is stepping up from both sides. we understand the israeli military has said it will defend israeli civilians,, we understand that at least one israeli citizen has been killed, and two palestinians have been killed. the israeli military says it will defend israeli military says it will defend israeli citizens and that her mass will pay a heavy price. —— hamas will pay a heavy price. —— hamas will pay a heavy price. the palestinian minutes you have said —— militant group have said enough is enough, and that thousands of rockets have been launched. this is very much a moving situation, developing very quickly, and we'll stay right across that. our correspondent in the region are getting the very latest this morning. at that escalation continues, we understand that residents are sheltering in buildings during these rocket attacks, and the israeli defence forces have declared a state of readiness for war in response. the defence minister, in the last 15 to 20 minutes we understand, has approved a call up for military reservists. we will keep you updated throughout the day. the time is 8:33am stop labour will focus on housing and health, as it prepares for its most important party conference since losing power in 2010. with a general election campaign expected next year — the party's deputy leader, angela rayner, will tell activists in liverpool that labour is planning the biggest increase in affordable homes in a generation. shejoins us now. we will come onto house building in a moment, but first talk about the victory of the by—election. this is the moment you think we have the general election in the bag? hate the moment you think we have the general election in the bag? we are certainly not — general election in the bag? we are certainly not taking _ general election in the bag? we are certainly not taking anything - general election in the bag? we are certainly not taking anything for- certainly not taking anything for granted, but it was a seismic victory for labour. since keir was elected as leader, and i was elected as deputy leader, would be very clear in our programme to listen to the voters, and putting forward a plan for government that will change people's lives of the better. under the conservatives, 13 years of decline, and the people of scotland have seen that and have seen that we need a labour government in westminster to ensure we can prosper across the whole of the united kingdom. across the whole of the united kinudom. ., .,, ., kingdom. you said it was about identifying _ kingdom. you said it was about identifying a — kingdom. you said it was about identifying a clear— kingdom. you said it was about identifying a clear plan - kingdom. you said it was about identifying a clear plan with - identifying a clear plan with realistic ambitions. what are they? what would they vote for labour mean in the general election? first what would they vote for labour mean in the general election?— in the general election? first of all, ou in the general election? first of all, you talked _ in the general election? first of all, you talked about _ in the general election? first of all, you talked about social- all, you talked about social housing, but i've identified that one of the biggest crisis as we have in this country at the moment is that we just don't have enough social housing at the moment. the government are not able to spend their local homes grant, they've turned their back on the plan, and we will unlock that and ensure we can help local authorities to deliver that social housing we desperately need. 0ur green prosperity plan will bring down people's energy bills, make sure we have renewable energy into the future. the government again have turned their back on that. we also talked about the future of work, making sure work is secure for people. the government have done nothing about fire and rehire. we saw this with the pea and oak scandals where many people lost theirjobs. we will deliver secure work for people as well —— p&0 scandals. we haven't had that under 13 years of the conservatives. i 13 years of the conservatives. i know you will address housing in years beach today, getting more houses built. there is still a huge shortage of housing in this country. how will you get developers to build more? ~ . how will you get developers to build more? ~ , ., ., ., ., more? well, first of all, we have to unblock the — more? well, first of all, we have to unblock the blockages. _ more? well, first of all, we have to unblock the blockages. we - more? well, first of all, we have to unblock the blockages. we will - more? well, first of all, we have to| unblock the blockages. we will work with developers and local authorities to make sure we can use that affordable homes grant to deliver the housing projects that we need. we need those local plans delivered full stop at the moment, the conservatives have turned their back, so we haven't even got a plan and how we will deliver housing at the moment. we've been very bold, keir �*s been very bold. i.tlufhat the moment. we've been very bold, keir 's been very bold.— keir 's been very bold. what does it look like in — keir 's been very bold. what does it look like in practice, _ keir 's been very bold. what does it look like in practice, what _ keir 's been very bold. what does it look like in practice, what are - keir 's been very bold. what does it look like in practice, what are the i look like in practice, what are the specifics for getting more... because we have heard it from governments of all colours about building more houses. what does it look like on the ground, on the street to relive? it look like on the ground, on the street to relive?— street to relive? it is about identifying _ street to relive? it is about identifying the _ street to relive? it is about identifying the land - street to relive? it is about identifying the land that. street to relive? it is about| identifying the land that can street to relive? it is about - identifying the land that can be used,it identifying the land that can be used, it is about working with developers and local authorities to deliver stop we haven't had that delivery, we have had money that has been given back to the treasury at a time where we have a housing crisis. it is an absolute scandal that nearly £2 billion has been handed back to the treasury, when developers want to develop that, and builders want to build. we have to unlock that, and part of it as having those local plans on making sure we stick to that and have that renewal that we want on a national level. the conservatives have totally abandoned that project. it is not a cultural shift that the government want to do to ensure that the unlock that problem. part of the problem with the conservatives is that they don't get that there are so many people that need social housing at the moment, and they are not delivering on their targets for that. that is what we are going to focus on to ensure that we deliver that. ., . ~' focus on to ensure that we deliver that. ., ., ,, ., ,., , that. you talk about where these houses will _ that. you talk about where these houses will be _ that. you talk about where these houses will be built. _ that. you talk about where these houses will be built. i'm - that. you talk about where these i houses will be built. i'm interested in what the strategy is. when every talk about house—building, everyone says it needs to be done, but i don't want it done in my back yard, there are a lot of nimbys of back care. i really find places —— how are you going to find places, because... are you going to find places, because- - -_ are you going to find places, because... �*, ., , ., ., ., because... there's lots of land that is identified — because... there's lots of land that is identified and _ because... there's lots of land that is identified and has _ because... there's lots of land that is identified and has planning - because... there's lots of land that is identified and has planning to - is identified and has planning to develop, but the developers are not developing it. we will push to make sure that happens. we'll make sure we will unlock that. there are so many sites at the moment that are identified, but the phrase is a land identified, but the phrase is a [and banking. at the moment, they are not being delivered. we will make sure we are pushing local authorities and developers to develop that land. at the moment, we're not getting the homes we need developed. it is not that we have not got the land, the land is identified, but we have the situation where there island banking, developers are not building. we'll make sure they do build, and we will give local authorities powers to develop council housing and social housing as they needed. hath? council housing and social housing as they needed.— as they needed. why are they not buildin: ? as they needed. why are they not building? you'd _ as they needed. why are they not building? you'd have _ as they needed. why are they not building? you'd have to _ as they needed. why are they not building? you'd have to ask - as they needed. why are they not | building? you'd have to ask them. some say they _ building? you'd have to ask them. some say they hold _ building? you'd have to ask them. some say they hold onto - building? you'd have to ask them. some say they hold onto that - building? you'd have to ask them. some say they hold onto that landi building? you'd have to ask them. i some say they hold onto that land on the land some say they hold onto that land on the [and goes up in value, so it is not about building homes, it is about how much profit you can get from the land. actually, what we need to do is really unlock that and make sure the homes are being built, because for a labour, it is about making sure we have the homes we need for the future. at the moment, we have seen a real decline in the house—building programme under the conservatives, and if we don't solve that problem now, it is going to get worse. we know there isn't an mp in the country that hasn't got a huge amount of casework at the moment where people are not able to get the social housing they need. it creates a problem in the whole market. i'm very focused on making sure we develop that social housing. flat very focused on making sure we develop that social housing. not to labour the point, _ develop that social housing. not to labour the point, but _ develop that social housing. not to labour the point, but you _ develop that social housing. not to labour the point, but you talk - develop that social housing. not to | labour the point, but you talk about the challenges of being able to build these houses. you have used the word unlock a lot of times, but i'm not clear on how you actually unlock that, because you told me to go and ask the house—builders why they are not building. have you not have those conversations with them? we have, we have also said we were set up a specialist unit to ensure that under the section 106 powers that under the section 106 powers that developers don't wriggle out of the commitment to build that social housing. fartoo the commitment to build that social housing. far too often we are seeing that at the moment, and i will put a stop to that and make sure they do build. iwill stop to that and make sure they do build. i will work with local authorities to make sure they built the social housing and work with developers to unlock that land. i'm very clear on the cultural shift that i'm saying to developers, and i'm also saying to local authorities of all political colours, i will help you to deal with the challenge you face on the housing policies that we've got at the moment, what we have a crisis with people on waiting lists for ten, 15 years, and thatis waiting lists for ten, 15 years, and that is a blight on people's lives. if you have young children and you are in temporary accommodation, it is terrible for their education and their future, is terrible for their education and theirfuture, and it is also hard if you're trying to get secure work and build a life if you do not have secure housing. the build a life if you do not have secure housing.— build a life if you do not have secure housing. the reason i'm askinu secure housing. the reason i'm asking about — secure housing. the reason i'm asking about infrastructure - asking about infrastructure development of this sort, particularly housing, we know it is a problem. people will look to governments of all colours and say, look, we are not good it infrastructure in this country, look at what has happened with hs2, that extension from birmingham to manchester not going ahead, sir keir starmer saying he cannot commit to build that extension. why are we had at building infrastructure in this country, and why should anyone believe that a labour government would be better at it? the conservatives _ would be better at it? the conservatives have - would be better at it? tue: conservatives have totally, cha otically conservatives have totally, chaotically wrecked the plan on hs2. but i wonder about your response, so keir starmer saying he won't commit to building it either? part keir starmer saying he won't commit to building it either?— to building it either? part of the roblem to building it either? part of the problem is _ to building it either? part of the problem is we _ to building it either? part of the problem is we don't _ to building it either? part of the problem is we don't have - to building it either? part of the problem is we don't have a - to building it either? part of the i problem is we don't have a general election now. if we had one next week we would be in a better position. at the moment we have a conservative government to crash the economy and a scaled back their programmes, and if businesses pull out they were going to invest in that instructor, it mixes very difficult to undo the damage the conservatives are done. we will work with local authorities to deliver an infrastructure programme to deliver that renewal that we need in britain, there we have seen a decline in the conservatives. the conservatives at the moment, every day they are in power, they are making a mess of things, and we are going to have to see how bad it is when we get in. i don't want to see that land when we get in. i don't want to see that [and sold off, i don't want to see them not deliver on hs2. they should be delivering on what they promised the people of the north, because they've completely abandoned that promise that they said they were to deliver. that has had a really negative effect in terms of the private investment we want to see, and the growth strategy that the government have completely failed to deliver on, that we need to deliver on when we get into government. to deliver on when we get into government-— to deliver on when we get into rovernment. �* . ._ ., ., ., government. angela rayner, good to have ou government. angela rayner, good to have you with — government. angela rayner, good to have you with us _ government. angela rayner, good to have you with us this _ government. angela rayner, good to have you with us this morning. - have you with us this morning. joining a slide from liverpool, thank you. it is 8:43am, good morning to you. there is a maths lesson coming this morning, it might be a bit early in the day, but it is all about to tighten teams.— the day, but it is all about to tirhten teams. , , ., ., , ., tighten teams. yes, permutations at the ruab tighten teams. yes, permutations at the rugby world _ tighten teams. yes, permutations at the rugby world cup. _ tighten teams. yes, permutations at the rugby world cup. there - tighten teams. yes, permutations at the rugby world cup. there are - tighten teams. yes, permutations at the rugby world cup. there are so i the rugby world cup. there are so many permutations and mats today that katie gordon is going to do in the moment, because we are in paris. but there is this clash, we have reached the last games of the pool stages of the rugby world cup. all eyes are on paris. ireland should make it through. they can win the group by beating scotland. scotland know what they have to do. they need a big win against ireland. very unlikely, they are up against it, the odds are stacked against them, with a sense of anticipation. they know they can make history, some in that braveheart! and like two fighters, there is sense of the anticipation could not be greater. the odds are stacked against scotland, ireland have notched up 16 victories in a row. but the scots know nothing else will do now. they would write the biggest storyline in recent world cup folklore if they got the margin that of victory, that sends them into the quarterfinals and send ireland home. ireland have their own goal of winning the pool and finishing above south africa. there are so many permutations, with both nations desperate to stay on in france. katie gornall reports. france and scotland have a shared history. if you go looking, you can find hints of it on the streets of paris. centuries ago, they formed the auld alliance to help each other in times of war. but here and now, the scots are facing a very different battle. it's a massive game for scotland. this is our world cup final. if scotland do pull this off, what kind of atmosphere do you think it will be like? 0h, it'll be incredible. this place will be going mad. i probably won't go to work on monday. i'll be in paris the rest of my life, so fingers crossed that will happen. and options here... scotland's record against ireland doesn't inspire confidence. defeat at this year's six nations was their eighth in a row against them. for scotland, something needs to change. if we lose the game, we're going home. but like i said, we'd been written off. we've faced the top two teams in the world, but for us, we're not going to die wondering. this game here at the stade de france has so many permutations in play for scotland. they need to win by at least eight points and stop ireland from picking up a four—try bonus point. it means there are several ways that ireland could lose and still go through, but this team doesn't think about defeat. after smashing through south africa last time out, ireland are on a six last time out, ireland are on a 16 test winning streak, and their pool b decider will be extra special for peter 0'mahony, who's set to win his 100th cap. but a note to the media just don't make a fuss of it all. i would love to be at the side there and i'll have tea with the lads. this would be the last place i'd sit want to sit in front of. but you know, i want to win for the lads at the weekend. that's the main thing. wales are already through a point against georgia and they'll top their group. sounds simple, but a year ago it was georgia who came out on top. england to have their place in the quarters secured. in the meantime, their captain is one kick from history. two points from owen farrell against samoa would make him england's record points scorer. right now it's about keeping their eyes on the prize. katy cornwall, bbc news, paris. world cup hosts france, produced a remarkable performance to beat italy by 60 points to 7 to ensure they win their pool. the hosts scored eight tries damian penaud with two of them to secure a bonus point. it means france win pool a, with new zealand going through as runners up. south africa, ireland or scotland will be the opponents in the quarterfinals. french fans are also celebrating in rugby league, as catalans dragons, from the city of perpignan, are into the super league, grand final, and it was this chap, the former england captain, sam tompkins, who was the inspiration as they knocked out the defending champions, st helens. tomkins, who is retiring at the end of the season, ran through in the final minutes, for the try that sent catalans through to the final at old trafford next week, when they will face, either wigan warriors or hull kr, who play later today in the second semi—final. simone biles has become the most decorated gymnast in history. the american won gold in the women's all—round final at the world championships in antwerp. her total of 34 world and olympic medals is more than any other gymnast, male or female. here's what she had to say on whether she'll compete at next year's olympics. i can't answer any questions for the future, i'mjust i can't answer any questions for the future, i'm just going to live in the now. i saw two days of event finals, but let's focus on that. today i felt more relaxed, but i will come from where i am out with my gymnastics. i knew it would be a fun night, good night, it felt amazing, and i was here ten years ago, the crowd was amazing. i felt the same this time, i appreciate the crowd and the fans and team usa, and i had a really good time tonight. what is more, that event in antwerp was her first competition what is more, that event in antwerp was herfirst competition in what is more, that event in antwerp was her first competition in two years. talking of comebacks, the 3 time olympic swimming champion — adam peaty, says he's back in love with the pool again, as he made his return to competitive action. after his break to deal with mental health issues, he made his comeback at a world cup event in berlin, as he builds up to next year's paris olympics when he will try to make history. he came 6th last night..in the 100 metres breaststroke final, with his big rivalfor gold next summer, kin hi—yin, of china, continuing recent dominance with a huge win. we love him and we are fully behind him. thanks so much. there's been a change in the weather... for him. thanks so much. there's been a change in the weather. . .— change in the weather... for some! so we let matt _ change in the weather... for some! so we let matt speak _ change in the weather... for some! so we let matt speak and _ change in the weather... for some! so we let matt speak and explain i change in the weather... for some! so we let matt speak and explain it | so we let matt speak and explain it properly, ratherthan so we let matt speak and explain it properly, rather than us yammering on about it? i will do my best. shall we start with the bad stuff? this is the view in glasgow. we have seen lots of rain from here since yesterday evening. well over an inch in total. some of the wet spots just a bit further north into parts in argyll and bute, and the highlands and around loch lomond. seen within two inches of rain so far, and there is a met office amber warning notjust to take us to today put into tonight as well in these area that could have further flooding, landslides, and further disruption. if you're heading by train in particular, check before you go. he was where the heaviest rain is for the next few hours. rain across much of scotland, the biggest exception being orkney and shetland, which is have sunny spells throughout the day. that rain mustjust ease off a little bit, and a few splashes rain possible in the north of england. low cloud around some western coast of england and wales, spells of his sunshine elsewhere, look at this temperature contrast. 9 degrees in aberdeen, called the latter because the rest of aberdeenshire in the wind, whereas we have hazy sunshine in place, temperature is 24 or 25 degrees, well above where we should be for the stage in october. a warm into the day here, dry evening as well. the rain in scotland, it starts to edge a bit further northwards. you never really get rid of it. heavier bursts into the western isles later in the night. some mist into tomorrow morning, and then there will be a bit more cloud around generally, but the best of the sunshine will be further south, and the further west you are, you just have to watch out some low cloud drifting into. in scotland, you can write a few showers in the south. the bulk of the persistent rain will be on the far north tomorrow, where it will be clueless, but elsewhere the warmth will continue. studio: may i say, you did that very well, far better than anyone else in the studio could have done! he well, far better than anyone else in the studio could have done!- well, far better than anyone else in the studio could have done! he has a coal, the studio could have done! he has a goal. though! _ the studio could have done! he has a goal. though! we — the studio could have done! he has a goal, though! we try. _ the studio could have done! he has a goal, though! we try. speak- the studio could have done! he has a goal, though! we try. speak to - the studio could have done! he has a goal, though! we try. speak to you l goal, though! we try. speak to you later. the time is 8:51am. lots of wildlife documentaries focus on big animals and their epic migrations across deserts, oceans and the savannah. but a new bbc two series is taking a look at the little guys as they travel shorter — but equally perilous — journeys. one of the six animals they follow is a painted female turtle in canada. she's onlyjust been born and is in desperate search of a pond — but first she needs to cross a busy road. the forest lies ten metres ahead of her. the equivalent of half a mile fora human. out here, there's no hiding. on this flat ground, she can travel much quicker at a quarter of a mile an hour. but with vehicles travelling at 50 miles an hour... ..the odds are stacked against her. i can't watch! it seems so far. we are allowed to do a spoiler, ardently? let's find out. we're joined now by the director amy young and series producer paul williams. can you give us a spoiler? spoiler alert, can you give us a spoiler? spoiler alert. she — can you give us a spoiler? spoiler alert. she did _ can you give us a spoiler? spoiler alert, she did make _ can you give us a spoiler? spoiler alert, she did make it— can you give us a spoiler? spoiler alert, she did make it across! - can you give us a spoiler? spoiler alert, she did make it across! we| alert, she did make it across! we haven't just _ alert, she did make it across! we haven'tjust got some random stuff on a desk. you have some stuff. how big was she? she on a desk. you have some stuff. how big was she?— big was she? she is the size of a walnut or _ big was she? she is the size of a walnut or a _ big was she? she is the size of a walnut or a 10p _ big was she? she is the size of a walnut or a 10p piece. _ big was she? she is the size of a walnut or a 10p piece. leave - big was she? she is the size of a | walnut or a 10p piece. leave that they are, that will stay in shock. she is that big how did you find her? there is a 50 ear stud how did you find her? there is a 50 year study of _ how did you find her? there is a 50 year study of these _ how did you find her? there is a 50 year study of these turtles, - how did you find her? there is a 50 year study of these turtles, so - how did you find her? there is a 50 year study of these turtles, so we i year study of these turtles, so we worked with the scientists, they were able to get in the right place at the right time. fishd were able to get in the right place at the right time.— were able to get in the right place at the right time. and she had 'ust been born? — at the right time. and she had 'ust been born? yes, i at the right time. and she had 'ust been born? yes, literally * at the right time. and she had 'ust been born? yes, literally a i at the right time. and she had just been born? yes, literally a few- been born? yes, literally a few hours old- _ been born? yes, literally a few hours old. how— been born? yes, literally a few hours old. how about - been born? yes, literally a few hours old. how about the - been born? yes, literally a few. hours old. how about the safety, filmin: hours old. how about the safety, filming on _ hours old. how about the safety, filming on a _ hours old. how about the safety, filming on a busy _ hours old. how about the safety, filming on a busy road? - hours old. how about the safety, filming on a busy road? it - hours old. how about the safety, filming on a busy road? it is - hours old. how about the safety, filming on a busy road? it is veryi filming on a busy road? it is very difficult keeping _ filming on a busy road? it is very difficult keeping the _ filming on a busy road? it is very difficult keeping the crusade, - filming on a busy road? it is very difficult keeping the crusade, we i difficult keeping the crusade, we were very visible, but still having trucks. ~ . ., , �* were very visible, but still having trucks. ~ . �* ., trucks. what if there wasn't a happy endina ? trucks. what if there wasn't a happy ending? you — trucks. what if there wasn't a happy ending? you are _ trucks. what if there wasn't a happy ending? you are not— trucks. what if there wasn't a happy ending? you are not allowed - trucks. what if there wasn't a happy ending? you are not allowed to - ending? you are not allowed to intervene, that is the whole joy and misery of nature programmes. it is misery of nature programmes. it is slithtl misery of nature programmes. it 3 slightly different when you work with the scientists, because these are the adios there —— the animals they are studying, so i give us a certain ability to keep them safe. what is incredible about this series is that— what is incredible about this series is that all— what is incredible about this series is that all these journeys have never — is that all these journeys have never been recorded before. we are tracking _ never been recorded before. we are tracking these tiny, tiny animals, so by— tracking these tiny, tiny animals, so by working with the scientists were _ so by working with the scientists were able — so by working with the scientists were able to bring these stories to life for— were able to bring these stories to life for the — were able to bring these stories to life for the first time. we show these — life for the first time. we show these really dramatic moments. and these really dramatic moments. and these are the — these really dramatic moments. jifuc these are the journeys they these really dramatic moments. a"uc these are the journeys they have to make for survival, and they? in the turtle's case, you are looking to find a pond on the other side of the road. these are realjourneys, are not going out for a walk. the female ainted not going out for a walk. the female painted turtles _ not going out for a walk. the female painted turtles are _ not going out for a walk. the female painted turtles are drawn _ not going out for a walk. the female painted turtles are drawn to - not going out for a walk. the female painted turtles are drawn to the - painted turtles are drawn to the road because the road has created the sandy, sloping edges, and the female turtle is actually drawn to nest there. it then puts these hatchlings in terrible danger. and this is 'ust hatchlings in terrible danger. and this is just one _ hatchlings in terrible danger. and this isjust one story, so tell us this is just one story, so tell us about the others cosmic ih this isjust one story, so tell us about the others cosmic in episode one on sunday. — about the others cosmic in episode one on sunday, there _ about the others cosmic in episode one on sunday, there is _ about the others cosmic in episode one on sunday, there is also - about the others cosmic in episode one on sunday, there is also a - about the others cosmic in episode | one on sunday, there is also a bush baby, watch the size of a milk bottle, they are the complete opposite of the turtles. they are fast, high up in the branches like ping—pong balls, pinging around a lot of the place. it was a very different challenge filming them. and finding them! how did you find... �* . and finding them! how did you find... ~ . ., ~ find... again, working with scientists _ find... again, working with scientists and _ find... again, working with - scientists and conservationists, and even local people who helped the bush babies when they get to more urban areas. the bush babies when they get to more urban areas-— urban areas. the scientists would want to get _ urban areas. the scientists would want to get to — urban areas. the scientists would want to get to the _ urban areas. the scientists would want to get to the right _ urban areas. the scientists would want to get to the right place - urban areas. the scientists would want to get to the right place at i want to get to the right place at the right— want to get to the right place at the right time, because they know the right time, because they know the routes — the right time, because they know the routes the bush babies take through— the routes the bush babies take through the trees, the roots these animals— through the trees, the roots these animals make through the undergrowth, so without them, we wouldn't _ undergrowth, so without them, we wouldn't stand a chance of filling any of _ wouldn't stand a chance of filling any of these animals.— wouldn't stand a chance of filling any of these animals. once upon a time, i any of these animals. once upon a time. i would _ any of these animals. once upon a time, i would never— any of these animals. once upon a time, i would never have - any of these animals. once upon a time, i would never have known i any of these animals. once upon a time, i would never have known a| time, i would never have known a pangolin, what that looks like, when is that? . . ~ pangolin, what that looks like, when is that?— tell - pangolin, what that looks like, when is that?_ tell me i is that? that is next week. tell me about that. — is that? that is next week. tell me about that. in _ is that? that is next week. tell me about that, in search _ is that? that is next week. tell me about that, in search of— is that? that is next week. tell me about that, in search of the - is that? that is next week. tell me about that, in search of the mate? | about that, in search of the mate? they are the most fantastic beasts, they are _ they are the most fantastic beasts, they are almost like our dragon, covered — they are almost like our dragon, covered in— they are almost like our dragon, covered in scales. they are one of the most — covered in scales. they are one of the most tracked animals in the world. — the most tracked animals in the world, because they are hunted for their scales — world, because they are hunted for their scales and meat. we work with a remarkable scientist who uses gps ta-s a remarkable scientist who uses gps tags to— a remarkable scientist who uses gps tags to follow pangolins in the wild — tags to follow pangolins in the wild by— tags to follow pangolins in the wild. by working with the scientists, spending hours and hours following _ scientists, spending hours and hours following pangolins, we are able to film remarkable behaviour. it is like seeing this animal, which everyone _ like seeing this animal, which everyone knows is trafficked, but showing — everyone knows is trafficked, but showing it — everyone knows is trafficked, but showing it in its own right and how connects _ showing it in its own right and how connects to — showing it in its own right and how connects to the natural world and why it _ connects to the natural world and why it is — connects to the natural world and why it is important. we connects to the natural world and why it is important.— connects to the natural world and why it is important. we talk about this a lot when _ why it is important. we talk about this a lot when we _ why it is important. we talk about this a lot when we discuss - why it is important. we talk about this a lot when we discuss these i this a lot when we discuss these ageing nature documentaries that the deep sea makes, it is usually about following something like a snow leopard that is the size of the sofa. talk to me about the logistics and the technical stuff that has to going into having the right camera in the right place at the right time? ~ , , . ., , in the right place at the right time? ,, time? we quite specialist lenses, particularly _ time? we quite specialist lenses, particularly for — time? we quite specialist lenses, particularly for the _ time? we quite specialist lenses, particularly for the title _ time? we quite specialist lenses, particularly for the title really - particularly for the title really long probe lenses, and we understand the camera, so we have a camera on a track, and then turned it upside down with one of these lenses on, and it allowed us to follow the turtle at her level and really get into her world.— turtle at her level and really get into her world. does it mean in the lona lines into her world. does it mean in the long lines you _ into her world. does it mean in the long lines you can _ into her world. does it mean in the long lines you can be _ into her world. does it mean in the long lines you can be quite - into her world. does it mean in the long lines you can be quite far - long lines you can be quite far away? long lines you can be quite far awa ? ., , ., , away? you still need to be quite close, because _ away? you still need to be quite close, because it _ away? you still need to be quite close, because it is _ away? you still need to be quite close, because it is a _ away? you still need to be quite| close, because it is a wide-angle close, because it is a wide—angle lens, but something like a turtle doesn't mind you being close, because they are not really aware like a primate would be. then, with the primates, we had to get up with the primates, we had to get up with the canopy, and fill with the cranes, so it was a really different challenge. cranes, so it was a really different challen . e. . cranes, so it was a really different challente. , ., ., , challenge. refill these tamarins, that a bright _ challenge. refill these tamarins, that a bright orange, _ challenge. refill these tamarins, that a bright orange, and - challenge. refill these tamarins, that a bright orange, and they i challenge. refill these tamarins, i that a bright orange, and they stand out with— that a bright orange, and they stand out with the stress around their heads — out with the stress around their heads. �* , , ., out with the stress around their heads. �* , ,., .,, heads. are they born with those? yes, and heads. are they born with those? yes. and they _ heads. are they born with those? yes, and they move _ heads. are they born with those? yes, and they move as _ heads. are they born with those? yes, and they move as fast - heads. are they born with those? yes, and they move as fast as - heads. are they born with those? | yes, and they move as fast as you same _ yes, and they move as fast as you same bolt — yes, and they move as fast as you same bolt through the canopy. the only way— same bolt through the canopy. the only way to — same bolt through the canopy. the only way to get a glimpse with that, never— only way to get a glimpse with that, never mind — only way to get a glimpse with that, never mind filled in, is to work with— never mind filled in, is to work with scientists who are tracking them _ with scientists who are tracking them with radio collars. there are only six— them with radio collars. there are only six thousands of these primates left in _ only six thousands of these primates left in the _ only six thousands of these primates left in the wild, so the conservation is trying to understand how they— conservation is trying to understand how they move through the forests in order— how they move through the forests in order to _ how they move through the forests in order to protect them. it's a really good _ order to protect them. it's a really good news — order to protect them. it's a really good news story, because at the end of the _ good news story, because at the end of the journey we, we discover how they have _ of the journey we, we discover how they have a — of the journey we, we discover how they have a remarkable success story about _ they have a remarkable success story about how _ they have a remarkable success story about how they thrive alongside farmers— about how they thrive alongside farmers who are farming sustainably in the _ farmers who are farming sustainably in the forests in brazil. that farmers who are farming sustainably in the forests in brazil.— in the forests in brazil. that is the message- _ in the forests in brazil. that is the message. often _ in the forests in brazil. that is the message. often with - in the forests in brazil. that is the message. often with loyal in the forests in brazil. that is - the message. often with loyal life programmes, we often see how we as humans are destroying wildlife and making their life so much more difficult. so it is a story about how we have been educated as well, and we have been learning. it looks so fantastic and lovely, thank you so fantastic and lovely, thank you so much, you have the bestjob! big littlejourneys starts tomorrow night at 8pm on bbc two. it'll also be on the bbc iplayer. stay with us, headlines coming up. good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thompson. our headlines today... israel under attack — palestinian militants from gaza have launched rockets on southern israel — the military there has started to carry out retaliatory airstrikes on the gaza strip. there are reports of "dozens" of gunmen shooting at people on the streets, attacking troops and seizing military vehicles — israel's defence minister says that war has been launched against the country. energy companies are holding £8 billion of customers' money as credit — now there are calls to give it back within 30 days. in sport, it's make or break time for scotland at the rugby world cup — if they're to stay in france, they'll need the performance of a lifetime to beat the world number one side ireland and reach the quarter—finals. we're catching up with kenny logan as he comes to the end of an epic 700—mile walk and cycle challenge from edinburgh to paris. parts of scotland will see relentless rain and flooding but it is a day of two halves, in the south of the country it's warm and sunny. more details to come. it's saturday the 7th of october. our main story is some breaking news from israel, which is under attack by armed palestinian militants. the surprise attack began with a barrage of rockets — hamas said it fired more than 5,000 from the gaza strip — killing at least one israeli citizen — a woman in her 605. medics say they are treating more than 60 casualties some of them serious. another hospital is treating eight people and air raid sirens have been sounding in tel aviv and jerusalem. the air attack was followed by a ground invasion of what the israeli defence forces called "terrorists" from gaza, with reports of "dozens" of gunmen shooting at people on the streets, attacking troops and seizing military vehicles. israel has declared a state of readiness for war and has reportedly shelled areas in the gaza strip, with at least two palestinians dead. our reporter simon jones has the latest. rockets launched from gaza into israel in what appears to be a surprise attack that started just after dawn. the palestinian militant group hamas claimed it launched 5,000 rockets in the space of 20 minutes, militants are said to have entered israeli territory in a number of different locations. gunmen on the loose in one town are said to have killed citizens. hamas has called on palestinians everywhere to fight. this is the israeli city of ashkelon. israeli firefighters have tackled the flames in ashkelon, north of gaza. israel's defence forces are telling residents around in the gaza strip to stay inside for the people in southern and central areas must remain next to shelters. it says it is conducting what it calls a situational assessment promising hamas would face the consequences and responsibility for these events. the israeli prime minister was preparing to meet his top security officials. in gaza, these pictures reportedly show palestinian militants with a captured israeli vehicle. in gaza, people are fleeing their homes as retaliatory strikes are being fired in a morning of ratcheting tensions. israel has declared a state of readiness for war. simon jones, bbc news. our middle east correspondent yolande knell is injersualem. bring us up to date, please. we have sli ed bring us up to date, please. we have slipped very — bring us up to date, please. we have slipped very quickly _ bring us up to date, please. we have slipped very quickly into _ bring us up to date, please. we have slipped very quickly into a _ bring us up to date, please. we have slipped very quickly into a more - slipped very quickly into a more fitting. — slipped very quickly into a more fitting. it — slipped very quickly into a more fitting, it is a fast developing situation, events on the ground apparently very chaotic and not quite _ apparently very chaotic and not quite able to keep up with the official— quite able to keep up with the official announcement there are unverified images that show how palestinian militants really conducted a large—scale infiltration into southern israel, we can see pictures— into southern israel, we can see pictures of— into southern israel, we can see pictures of them entering in a pick-up— pictures of them entering in a pick—up truck, even on motorbikes, cut through — pick—up truck, even on motorbikes, cut through a — pick—up truck, even on motorbikes, cut through a hole in the perimeter fence _ cut through a hole in the perimeter fence around gaza. there is one image _ fence around gaza. there is one image which shows militants using a paraglider— image which shows militants using a paraglider apparently to enter into lsrael _ paraglider apparently to enter into israel. now there are in some small communities, we have reports from the head _ communities, we have reports from the head of— communities, we have reports from the head of one of the local councils _ the head of one of the local councils has been killed in a shoot—out with palestinian militants, videos shot by palestinian militants appearing to show— palestinian militants appearing to show them in palestinian homes in the countryside, hiding there. there are videos— the countryside, hiding there. there are videos shot by israelis from the windows— are videos shot by israelis from the windows who say they can hear arabic outside _ windows who say they can hear arabic outside and _ windows who say they can hear arabic outside and you can see there are shoot-out— outside and you can see there are shoot-out in— outside and you can see there are shoot—out in the streets, in various towns _ shoot—out in the streets, in various towns very— shoot—out in the streets, in various towns very close to the gaza strip. it towns very close to the gaza strip. it seems _ towns very close to the gaza strip. it seems to — towns very close to the gaza strip. it seems to be a well coordinated operation — it seems to be a well coordinated operation by the islamist group hamas— operation by the islamist group hamas that governs gaza and this is a time _ hamas that governs gaza and this is a time of— hamas that governs gaza and this is a time of course when jewish lsraelis — a time of course when jewish israelis mark the end of a special holiday— israelis mark the end of a special holiday and many people are on holiday— holiday and many people are on holiday at — holiday and many people are on holiday at the moment. there was a bil holiday at the moment. there was a big open— holiday at the moment. there was a big open air— holiday at the moment. there was a big open air party taking place close — big open air party taking place close to — big open air party taking place close to gaza overnight and now we have some — close to gaza overnight and now we have some of those individuals attending the party speaking on the phone _ attending the party speaking on the phone to _ attending the party speaking on the phone to israeli media saying they are hiding — phone to israeli media saying they are hiding in ditches, hearing all of the _ are hiding in ditches, hearing all of the gunfire and the rocket still being _ of the gunfire and the rocket still being fired. as of the gunfire and the rocket still being fired-— being fired. as he said still very chaotic. things _ being fired. as he said still very chaotic. things moving - being fired. as he said still very chaotic. things moving very - being fired. as he said still very - chaotic. things moving very quickly. it is the speed of the escalation that has caught so many by surprise? let us write. there are those other unconfirmed reports which would be extremely— unconfirmed reports which would be extremely worrying for israelis. palestinian media saying a number of lsraelis. _ palestinian media saying a number of lsraelis. it's— palestinian media saying a number of israelis, it's not clear if they are alive _ israelis, it's not clear if they are alive or— israelis, it's not clear if they are alive or dead have been captured and taken _ alive or dead have been captured and taken by— alive or dead have been captured and taken by palestinian militants, they are being _ taken by palestinian militants, they are being held hostage, some indications they may have been taken back into _ indications they may have been taken back into the gaza strip, very unclear— back into the gaza strip, very unclear at _ back into the gaza strip, very unclear at the moment and we are not able to— unclear at the moment and we are not able to verify — unclear at the moment and we are not able to verify that. it is something that nobody is really is very much, they will— that nobody is really is very much, they will remember what happened to be young _ they will remember what happened to be young israeli soldier who was captured — be young israeli soldier who was captured by palestinian militants in gaza in— captured by palestinian militants in gaza in a _ captured by palestinian militants in gaza in a cross—border raid into southern — gaza in a cross—border raid into southern israel in 2006 and he was held until— southern israel in 2006 and he was held until 2011. release of this is kind of— held until 2011. release of this is kind of a — held until 2011. release of this is kind of a nightmare scenario for lsraelis — kind of a nightmare scenario for israelis because it's always warned there _ israelis because it's always warned there could be a possible infiltration at times when tensions rise between israel and the militants in gaza. the latest reports _ militants in gaza. the latest reports we have is that the israeli nrilitary_ reports we have is that the israeli military is— reports we have is that the israeli military is taking action and conducting air strikes and has dozens— conducting air strikes and has dozens of— conducting air strikes and has dozens of warplanes involved. just lookint dozens of warplanes involved. just lookin: at dozens of warplanes involved. just looking at some of the responses now and i know it is difficult for you to keep across all of these because it is moving so quickly but the palestinian militant group has decided to say enough is enough. the israeli military saying it will defend seven wins at hammersmith pay a heavy price for its actions. this is not a new dispute by any means but explain some of the background and tensions already there. riff and tensions already there. of course. this is a decades—old conflict~ _ course. this is a decades—old conflict. hamas which took over gaza in 2007— conflict. hamas which took over gaza in 2007 since then, the gaza strip, this small— in 2007 since then, the gaza strip, this small palestinian coastal enclave — this small palestinian coastal enclave has been kept under a tight blockade _ enclave has been kept under a tight blockade by israel and egypt. interestingly like in the recent tweaks. — interestingly like in the recent tweaks, we knew there were indirect talks going _ tweaks, we knew there were indirect talks going on with hamas political leader— talks going on with hamas political leader is— talks going on with hamas political leader is deal being brokered by the united _ leader is deal being brokered by the united nations and qatar and qatar and egypt which is the traditional mediator— and egypt which is the traditional mediator here to try and lower tensions~ _ mediator here to try and lower tensions. there is a lot of concern about— tensions. there is a lot of concern about poor— tensions. there is a lot of concern about poor living conditions inside the gaza _ about poor living conditions inside the gaza strip and they will from hamas— the gaza strip and they will from hamas were more palestinian workers to be allowed out, about 20,000 palestinians have work inside lsrael — palestinians have work inside israel. this was a relatively recent development. those were the kinds of things— development. those were the kinds of things we _ development. those were the kinds of things we were looking at in the gaza _ things we were looking at in the gaza strip, actually much more attention— gaza strip, actually much more attention focused in recent weeks and months on the west bank, tensions— and months on the west bank, tensions have been extremely high, whether— tensions have been extremely high, whether it _ tensions have been extremely high, whether it be near nightly israeli military— whether it be near nightly israeli military raids, palestinian shootings on israeli soldiers and civilians. — shootings on israeli soldiers and civilians, rising settler violence and a _ civilians, rising settler violence and a lot — civilians, rising settler violence and a lot of concern about what this hard-line _ and a lot of concern about what this hard—line government in israel which includes _ hard—line government in israel which includes religious nationalists, individuals who are in favour of annexing — individuals who are in favour of annexing the west bank and totally opposed _ annexing the west bank and totally opposed to the idea of creating an independent palestinian state, the idea of— independent palestinian state, the idea of the two state solution which has been _ idea of the two state solution which has been the long—time international formula _ has been the long—time international formula for— has been the long—time international formula for peace so really, we have had our _ formula for peace so really, we have had our attention focused on the west— had our attention focused on the west bank and all the time, with hamas. — west bank and all the time, with hamas. it — west bank and all the time, with hamas, it seems, has been planning this very— hamas, it seems, has been planning this very coordinated attack from the gaza — this very coordinated attack from the gaza strip. now islamichhad, the gaza strip. now islamichhad, the second—biggest militant group in gaza says _ the second—biggest militant group in gaza says it hasjoined the hamas action— gaza says it hasjoined the hamas action and — gaza says it hasjoined the hamas action and they will cause us well for palestinian militants in the west— for palestinian militants in the west bank tojoin in for palestinian militants in the west bank to join in for palestinians elsewhere to join west bank to join in for palestinians elsewhere tojoin in, that could — palestinians elsewhere tojoin in, that could be a call for palestinian militants — that could be a call for palestinian militants in lebanon to launch barrages — militants in lebanon to launch barrages of rockets which is something we have seen on a relatively— something we have seen on a relatively small scale in the past. extremely— relatively small scale in the past. extremely worrying for istria because _ extremely worrying for istria because it could open up military action— because it could open up military action on— because it could open up military action on multiple fronts and we know— action on multiple fronts and we know they— action on multiple fronts and we know they have called up thousands of reservists to help deal with this — of reservists to help deal with this. ., ., ., ~ of reservists to help deal with this. ., ., ., ,, i. �*, of reservists to help deal with this. ., ., ., ,, �*, ., ,, this. for now, thank you. let's talk to jamie bowman _ this. for now, thank you. let's talk to jamie bowman who _ this. for now, thank you. let's talk to jamie bowman who joins - this. for now, thank you. let's talk to jamie bowman who joins us - this. for now, thank you. let's talk| to jamie bowman who joins us from kyiv. you know this region well, your assessment of what is going on. ——jeremy bowen. your assessment of what is going on. -- jeremy ltown-— your assessment of what is going on. -- jeremy bowen. what is going on is unprecedented _ -- jeremy bowen. what is going on is unprecedented in _ -- jeremy bowen. what is going on is unprecedented in terms _ -- jeremy bowen. what is going on is unprecedented in terms of _ -- jeremy bowen. what is going on is unprecedented in terms of the - unprecedented in terms of the actions — unprecedented in terms of the actions hamas has taken against israel— actions hamas has taken against lsrael and — actions hamas has taken against israel and i think israel may be planning — israel and i think israel may be planning an unprecedented response. hamas— planning an unprecedented response. hamas took over control of the gaza strip more _ hamas took over control of the gaza strip more than 15 years ago, they have _ strip more than 15 years ago, they have never— strip more than 15 years ago, they have never done anything like this. there _ have never done anything like this. there have — have never done anything like this. there have been incursions by small groups— there have been incursions by small groups but— there have been incursions by small groups but nothing on this scale and they had _ groups but nothing on this scale and they had never taken israel by surprise — they had never taken israel by surprise like this. israel prides itself— surprise like this. israel prides itself on — surprise like this. israel prides itself on having informants that have _ itself on having informants that have penetrated palestinian militant groups— have penetrated palestinian militant groups and the fact that they clearly — groups and the fact that they clearly did not expect this happening on a jewish holiday is something which i think israelis are going _ something which i think israelis are going to _ something which i think israelis are going to be very concerned about and israel— going to be very concerned about and lsrael will— going to be very concerned about and israel will be planning, as you have heard. _ israel will be planning, as you have heard. they— israel will be planning, as you have heard, they have called up a service and i_ heard, they have called up a service and i think— heard, they have called up a service and i think there will be planning and i think there will be planning an extremely vigorous response and i imagine _ an extremely vigorous response and i imagine that would include sending troops _ imagine that would include sending troops into gaza. as imagine that would include sending troops into gaza.— imagine that would include sending troops into gaza. as you expect and ou troops into gaza. as you expect and you touched — troops into gaza. as you expect and you touched on _ troops into gaza. as you expect and you touched on it, _ troops into gaza. as you expect and you touched on it, responses - troops into gaza. as you expect and you touched on it, responses from i you touched on it, responses from both sides, the rhetoric ratcheting up both sides, the rhetoric ratcheting up on both sides. what is your assessment of what happens next? j assessment of what happens next? i think this will escalate. there is a lot we _ think this will escalate. there is a lot we do— think this will escalate. there is a lot we do not know at the moment. a lot we do not know at the moment. a lot of— lot we do not know at the moment. a lot of unverified video flying around _ lot of unverified video flying around that the bbc has not verified but while _ around that the bbc has not verified but while there is an official announcement, one is really has been killed. _ announcement, one is really has been killed. i_ announcement, one is really has been killed. l have — announcement, one is really has been killed, i have seen video again, i stress. _ killed, i have seen video again, i stress. not — killed, i have seen video again, i stress, not verified by the bbc as yet, stress, not verified by the bbc as yet. which — stress, not verified by the bbc as yet, which shows numbers of dead is soldiers _ yet, which shows numbers of dead is soldiers as— yet, which shows numbers of dead is soldiers as well as that, these reports — soldiers as well as that, these reports that they have taken captives _ reports that they have taken captives into gaza which is something the israelis will have to decide _ something the israelis will have to decide how to deal with. the anti—government groups that have been _ anti—government groups that have been demonstrating for months in israel— been demonstrating for months in lsrael and — been demonstrating for months in israel and those reservists in the scripting — israel and those reservists in the scripting have been demonstrating against _ scripting have been demonstrating against the governments own actions internally. _ against the governments own actions internally, they have said all those reservists — internally, they have said all those reservists who have been suspending their participation in reserve duties— their participation in reserve duties should report for duty as soon _ duties should report for duty as soon as— duties should report for duty as soon as they are called. so israel has said — soon as they are called. so israel has said they are now on a war footing. — has said they are now on a war footing, they have been attacked and ithink— footing, they have been attacked and l think they— footing, they have been attacked and i think they will respond in kind. jeremy. — i think they will respond in kind. jeremy. for— i think they will respond in kind. jeremy, for now, thank you. we talked about numbers, hospitals telling us they are treating 68 victims in ashkelon and another 18 victims in ashkelon and another 18 victims being treated elsewhere but we will keep you up—to—date with developments and it is worth saying the bbc web pages up and running with the latest updates. we will stay across that. now for the rest of the stories today. a former director at the regulator ofgem, has called on energy firms to refund customers more quickly, if they've built up credit on their accounts and ask for it back. it comes after the bbc revealed that in the first three months of this year, credit held by energy firms was more than eight billion pounds. dan whitworth reports. credit built up by people paying for their energy using monthly direct debits can be a good thing. it helps customers budget and smooths out higher winter bills with lower summer ones to keep costs the same all year round. but too much or excessive credit and crucially, customers not getting it back when they ask for it, is a problem. just over a month ago, i asked for £500 of my £1,400 credit back because the system shown on the energy supplier's website seemed so simple and so straightforward and so customer friendly. that i thought it was the right thing to do. unfortunately, after numerous emails, i haven't even had an acknowledgement, let alone any response, to whether they agreed to let me have my own money back. in the first three months of this year, energy suppliers held more than £8 billion of customers money in the form of credit on people's accounts. during the same period, customers owed nearly £2 billion. now, a former non—executive director at the regulator, ofgem, says this issue of excessive credit needs looking at. it's understandable that some money is held in credit balances, but £8 billion at a time when it's maximum energy usage in the middle of a cold winter? that's wrong. timely needs to be defined and ofgem need to set down a really proper, tight, hard rule on what a timely refund of balances is. i would suggest 30 days as a maximum. energy uk, which speaks for suppliers, said when that £8 billion was held, prices were extremely volatile. the level of government help was unknown and that it's not meaningful to compare credit and debt. regulator ofgem, meanwhile, says it's strengthened the rules around direct debit to stop excessive credit being built up, adding customers have the right to ask for it back whenever they want and if they're not happy, they can complain to their supplier and then the energy ombudsman. dan whitworth, bbc news. scientists are warning there's been a record number of days this year where global temperatures have gone above a key threshold for dangerous climate change. data shows that the average worldwide temperature exceeded 1.5 celsius above pre—industrial levels on 1 in 3 days. a 36—year—old man has appeared in court, charged with plotting to kidnap and murder the tv presenter holly willoughby. gavin plumb, from harlow in essex, was remanded in custody and will attend a plea hearing at chelmsford crown court next month. holly willoughby hasn't appeared on this morning since wednesday, and itv says it's providing full support to her and herfamily, the government has apologised — and ordered an inquiry — after admitting it miscalculated its funding plans, meaning schools in england will get less money than promised next year. headteachers leaders said it was a "frustrating" mistake as the school budgets were already planned. the former transport secretary chris grayling, has announced he will stand down as an mp at the next election. he said he made the decision after prostate cancer treatment which — while successful — has made him realise it's time for a change after 22 years in parliament. here's matt with a look at the weather. there is a tale of two ends of the country and it depends what kind of weather you like, whether you will enjoy this? fit, weather you like, whether you will en'o this? �* . ., weather you like, whether you will en'o this? , ., weather you like, whether you will enjoy this?— enjoy this? a bit of something for eve one, enjoy this? a bit of something for everyone. some _ enjoy this? a bit of something for everyone, some happy _ enjoy this? a bit of something for everyone, some happy and - enjoy this? a bit of something for everyone, some happy and some| enjoy this? a bit of something for - everyone, some happy and some sad, that's probably inducing more happiness for some, the view on the south coast of england, we see some high temperatures and the blue sky today, temperatures up to the mid 20s. cloud as we drift northwards into oxfordshire and further north, still some sunny spells around the opposite end of the scale, it looks thoroughly miserable on the water base from the passenger seat in glasgow. the rain has been relentless since yesterday evening, lots more to come, linked into the series cloud sandwiched between warm air coming up from iberia series cloud sandwiched between warm air coming upfrom iberia building the cloud with moisture and cold are dry to push down from the north. here the rain will sit all day and that has prompted the met office to issue an amber warning into tonight in these areas already lots of travel disruption, especially on the rail, there could be flooding and mudslides as we go through into the afternoon and evening. over the next few hours, the rain is heavy and extensive across scotland this morning, close conditions across shetland. there were a bit like showers across northern ireland and parts of northern england in the short term but even here it should brighten up, lots of cloud and sunny breaks. no cloud towards devon and cornwall, more hazy sunshine in central and southern england and a big difference in temperatures. what the were a mess, a cool breeze across scotland, temperatures 7—9 , there could even be snow on the mountain tops, 24—25 in the south—east corner that leads to a very pleasant end to the day. varying amounts of cloud tonight, when slight in the south—west but we will see more cloud and rain across scotland pushing north, easing from the areas which are worst affected through today. temperatures in the sunday, starting at 8—13 , the weather. at the sunday but further north, slightly different areas see the heaviest of the rain, the warmer airfor many, more cloud the heaviest of the rain, the warmer air for many, more cloud across eastern counties of england and that risk of sea fog around the rac but the ring will be fairly persistent in the north of scotland, some showers further south but overall, a dry picture from central and southern scotland southwards, temperatures a little bit higher tomorrow across scotland compared to today, hitting the dizzy heights of the mid 20s, above the seasonal average in the south. back to you. dry to hang onto to summer for a little bit longer. and it continues for parts of next week as well. your teeth! ,., ., ,, teeth! goodness! laughter - teeth! goodness! laughter. - laughter. and there will be a longer range forecast in around 30 minutes. it is coming up to around 90 minutes past nine. —— 19 minutes. being a doctor has always been a hard job but the last few years have been particularly challenging. now new data suggests more of them are seeking mental health support, with a growing number of gps feeling suicidal. our correspondent mark norman has this report. dr david triska was an army medic. he served two tours of afghanistan. but it was the pressure of working as a gp in surrey that led to a breakdown in his mental health. my colleague told me and i was conscious that things weren't right and i needed to be told. and it took some time to recognise that that was what was happening. you know, i've had to take time off work and i think, as many of my colleagues have, and that was the only way to recuperate, which is extraordinary in a time when we're the people supposed to be providing care and it's impossible within our own workplace and work system to provide that care for ourselves. david is not alone. according to the general medical council last year, more than 40% of doctors felt unable to cope with their workload. a quarter of doctors surveyed were categorised as being at high risk of burnout, while a little under half said they found it difficult to provide sufficient patient care at least once a week. all statistics that reinforce the message from the nhs practitioners service. it's the intensity of the symptoms that people come to us with. there seems to be a lot more suicidal ideation in the people who are accessing the service. so for people who don't know what that means, it means that thoughts of suicide and some people have made plans. so we recorded about a third of our patients having suicidal thought prior to registering with the service. can see where the artery was pinched... for some doctors the problems can become too much. drjagdeep sidhu was a successful consultant cardiologist at the peak of his career, but five years ago he took his own life. his brother, realising the scale of the problem, set up a charity to help others. i started the charity to try and raise awareness of issues of burnout within the medical profession, specifically because i found that my brother and many like him didn't have access to the right level of support. my older brother passed away in 2018 and i remember him saying just before he passed away, he felt the system was really buckling and stretched at that point. so here as we talk about this today in 2023, it must be very, very hard to imagine, you know, five years on how much harder it feels for everyone working in that system. the department of health has told us that the wellbeing of all those working in the health services, vital and extensive coaching support working in the health service is vital and extensive coaching support and practitioner mental health services are available for all staff. there are more than 2,000 additional doctors and 31,000 additional staff in general practice, and they added they're doing more to create a sustainable nhs through the long term workforce plan. but for dr david triska, the problems are not easily solved without in—built regulations that protect you so, you know, whether that be with the number of people working, the type of work that you're doing or the hours that you're working, if those aren't really regulated to any significant degree, then the risk of burnout is extremely high and people do and will come to harm. the royal college of gps says it feels deep moral distress that doctors can't deliver the timely care that patients rightly expect. but it also regards the nhs workforce plan as a possible solution to the immense pressures currently being felt by doctors across the health service. that was mark norman reporting. and now we are joined now by the dean of royal college of psychiatrists. we were watching not quite intently over the last few we were watching not quite intently over the last few moments. we were watching not quite intently over the last few moments. what forget reflections?— over the last few moments. what forget reflections? shocking but not sur-trisin. forget reflections? shocking but not surprising. more _ forget reflections? shocking but not surprising. more and _ forget reflections? shocking but not surprising. more and more - forget reflections? shocking but not surprising. more and more people i forget reflections? shocking but not i surprising. more and more people are feeling _ surprising. more and more people are feeling very— surprising. more and more people are feeling very stressed at work. they used to _ feeling very stressed at work. they used to be — feeling very stressed at work. they used to be a time came in and you were— used to be a time came in and you were looking forward to today, making — were looking forward to today, making a — were looking forward to today, making a difference to your patients but now _ making a difference to your patients but now increasingly especially my junior— but now increasingly especially my junior colleagues, people are starting — junior colleagues, people are starting career, reporting the first thought— starting career, reporting the first thought in— starting career, reporting the first thought in their head, will there be enough _ thought in their head, will there be enough staff at work and will i get through— enough staff at work and will i get through the day without feeling absolutely dead, you know? i wanted to ask what the _ absolutely dead, you know? i wanted to ask what the course _ absolutely dead, you know? i wanted to ask what the course or _ absolutely dead, you know? i wanted to ask what the course or because . absolutely dead, you know? i wantedj to ask what the course or because we know being a doctor is a stressful and busyjob and high—powered and there is a lot of pressure but when does the pressure got too much and phoned us a tip over into something that becomes unmanageable? the demand for _ that becomes unmanageable? tue: demand for health that becomes unmanageable? t"u2 demand for health services have increased dramatically, we are growing older, the population so the demand has increased and post—pandemic we have seen a huge choice especially amongst young people, eating disorders, long waiting lists so that has happened and we have seen more for shortages. that is a big story that everyone knows about so in my own profession, psychiatry, we have 10% vacancy rate so you can imagine you are trying to do 10% more and then if someone is missing figures were growing up, rising, if someone takes time off you have to do more work. it's interesting you refer to that because you took two weeks off to look after your mental health. that is right. was that as a direct result of the extra workload? t result of the extra workload? i think things are operating at such a ti-ht think things are operating at such a tight level— think things are operating at such a tight level now, you know, everything is at the bank so that everything is at the bank so that everything is at the bank so that everything is going swimmingly well in your— everything is going swimmingly well in your life _ everything is going swimmingly well in your life elsewhere you are ok at work _ in your life elsewhere you are ok at work but _ in your life elsewhere you are ok at work but if — in your life elsewhere you are ok at work but if you have a young family, things— work but if you have a young family, things sometimes do not go to plan and that— things sometimes do not go to plan and that this would happen to me. things— and that this would happen to me. things were not going absolutely swimmingly everywhere else and that has an— swimmingly everywhere else and that has an impact on your ability to don't~~~ — has an impact on your ability to don't~~~ lt— has an impact on your ability to don't. .. . . . has an impact on your ability to don't... , . . ., . don't. .. it is changing the balance, all the plates _ don't. .. it is changing the balance, all the plates spinning _ don't. .. it is changing the balance, all the plates spinning and - don't. .. it is changing the balance, all the plates spinning and they - don't. .. it is changing the balance, | all the plates spinning and they are ok but as soon as one tips... exactly. how was your workplace when you sit and how comfortable do you feel and i'm trying to get an idea of how it recognised a problem less is and how the basis of the institutions are reacting and accommodating, if at all? to be honest, accommodating, if at all? to be honest. my _ accommodating, if at all? to be honest, my colleagues - accommodating, if at all? to be honest, my colleagues were - accommodating, if at all? to be| honest, my colleagues were very supportive — honest, my colleagues were very supportive and i was really lucky. i think— supportive and i was really lucky. i think the _ supportive and i was really lucky. i think the reality is an especially as a trustee of doctors in distress, i as a trustee of doctors in distress, i see _ as a trustee of doctors in distress, i see this — as a trustee of doctors in distress, i see this over time, people do not feel comfortable help, seeking help that they— feel comfortable help, seeking help that they are struggling and sometimes they do not recognise it themselves. they think it is a lot of work— themselves. they think it is a lot of work and _ themselves. they think it is a lot of work and this is how things are meant _ of work and this is how things are meant to— of work and this is how things are meant to be and they do not realise things— meant to be and they do not realise things are _ meant to be and they do not realise things are tipping over.— things are tipping over. there is also the guilt — things are tipping over. there is also the guilt of— things are tipping over. there is also the guilt of asking - things are tipping over. there is also the guilt of asking for- things are tipping over. there is also the guilt of asking for time | also the guilt of asking for time off knowing it is adding more pressure. off knowing it is adding more ressure. , ., off knowing it is adding more pressure-— pressure. they go will quite significant _ pressure. they go will quite significant and _ pressure. they go will quite significant and i _ pressure. they go will quite significant and i think - pressure. they go will quite significant and i think that i pressure. they go will quite | significant and i think that is worse — significant and i think that is worse now because things were really always _ worse now because things were really always on— worse now because things were really always on the brain, now i think almostm — always on the brain, now i think almost... you are taking time off and adding — almost... you are taking time off and adding pressure on to the workload _ and adding pressure on to the workload of someone else. microsoft does not workload of someone else. microsoft does rrot sound _ workload of someone else. microsoft does not sound like _ workload of someone else. microsoft does not sound like a _ workload of someone else. microsoft does not sound like a lot _ workload of someone else. microsoft does not sound like a lot to - workload of someone else. microsoft does not sound like a lot to do - workload of someone else. microsoft does not sound like a lot to do with i does not sound like a lot to do with what you are dealing with but what were you able to do in that time and what we mechanisms? t tillit were you able to do in that time and what we mechanisms?— what we mechanisms? i run and i thinki what we mechanisms? i run and i think i have _ what we mechanisms? i run and i think i have devoted _ what we mechanisms? i run and i think i have devoted more - what we mechanisms? i run and i think i have devoted more time i what we mechanisms? i run and i | think i have devoted more time to create _ think i have devoted more time to create a _ think i have devoted more time to create a space to reflect on things and try— create a space to reflect on things and try and — create a space to reflect on things and try and get things in order. that— and try and get things in order. that is— and try and get things in order. that is something that is missing. increasingly my colleagues tell me they feel— increasingly my colleagues tell me they feel isolated and imagining that you — they feel isolated and imagining that you feel isolated in a busy workplace like a hospital seems very difficult _ workplace like a hospital seems very difficult to _ workplace like a hospital seems very difficult to get that where i think you turn— difficult to get that where i think you turn up to work and there's an endless _ you turn up to work and there's an endless stream of tasks to do with no time _ endless stream of tasks to do with no time for— endless stream of tasks to do with no time for that little break and reflection — no time for that little break and reflection and team bonding. i think that is— reflection and team bonding. i think that is what has happened. there is no sense _ that is what has happened. there is no sense of— that is what has happened. there is no sense of team working. what that is what has happened. there is no sense of team working.- no sense of team working. what do ou think no sense of team working. what do you think the _ no sense of team working. what do you think the impact _ no sense of team working. what do you think the impact of _ no sense of team working. what do you think the impact of stress, - you think the impact of stress, pressure, increased stress and pressure, increased stress and pressure on colleagues, fun we are dealing with mental health distress, is having on patients because they waiting lists so for example psychiatry, people have gone down the line they have not had help? all]! the line they have not had help? all the line they have not had help? all the data shows happy staff make for happy _ the data shows happy staff make for happy patients and i think that is sometimes forgotten. i think sometimes forgotten. i think sometimes that the idea that there is an us— sometimes that the idea that there is an us and — sometimes that the idea that there is an us and them, doctors and nurses— is an us and them, doctors and nurses can _ is an us and them, doctors and nurses can be patients as well and we often _ nurses can be patients as well and we often are. that is what is forgotten. i think especially if you are over— forgotten. i think especially if you are over the last few years, i have seen _ are over the last few years, i have seen a _ are over the last few years, i have seen a dramatic increase in the number— seen a dramatic increase in the number of— seen a dramatic increase in the number of people reporting burnout, stress. _ number of people reporting burnout, stress. and _ number of people reporting burnout, stress, and mental illness and sadly we have _ stress, and mental illness and sadly we have seen suicides, as we heard in that— we have seen suicides, as we heard in that report. and those are the kind of— in that report. and those are the kind of things i feel can make a difference if we had the psychological hard hat that will require. — psychological hard hat that will require, we have a reflective space where _ require, we have a reflective space where people can regroup, give some time to— where people can regroup, give some time to themselves, that would help. ithink— time to themselves, that would help. i think you're being very honest about your own experiences but quite about your own experiences but quite a stock situation in medicine at the moment so thank you so much. t a stock situation in medicine at the moment so thank you so much. i wish ou well. moment so thank you so much. i wish you well- thank _ moment so thank you so much. i wish you well. thank you _ moment so thank you so much. i wish you well. thank you so _ moment so thank you so much. i wish you well. thank you so much. - moment so thank you so much. i wish you well. thank you so much. the - you well. thank you so much. the time isjust _ you well. thank you so much. the time isjust approaching _ you well. thank you so much. the time isjust approaching 9:30am. | we're used to seeing people with learning disabilities living in the community, butjust a few decades ago they were usually shut away in long—stay hospitals. that all changed in the early 19705, when a university student — aged just 18 — came up with the idea of supported living. now there's a play about that, called housemates, starring actors with learning disabilities. our wales correspondent tomos morgan has the story. mac allen, helen, to the door! and they stepped _ mac allen, helen, to the door! a"uc they stepped awkwardly out of the door. they stepped awkwardly out of the doon they stepped awkwardly out of the door. . . . they stepped awkwardly out of the door. , . ., ., door. centre stage at the theatre in cardiff, is door. centre stage at the theatre in cardiff. is the _ door. centre stage at the theatre in cardiff, is the cast _ door. centre stage at the theatre in cardiff, is the cast of— door. centre stage at the theatre in cardiff, is the cast of housemates l cardiff, is the cast of housemates go through their final rehearsals. this is a production that tells the tale of how institutionalised care for those with learning disabilities came to an end, and how supported living was born. at a student house in cardiff. in the late 60s, the news of the world run a damning expose of the ely hospital in cardiff, uncovering endemic mistreatment of those neurodivergent living there. then 18—year—old student named jim mansell, living there. then 18—year—old student namedjim mansell, a volunteer, took a group of learning disabled people to the cinema. at the time, residents of the city were used to seeing the ball with these disabilities on the streets. as he kept spending time with them, in 1974, jim, alongside some of the volunteers, pioneered a new idea. they moved into a home with five residents of the ely hospital. rhythm gardens became the first supported living house in the uk. adrian lived there for six months. came along for an evening meal, and five people with learning disabilities that where they all started cheering and clapping as they walk through the door. they were so pleased to see a volunteer coming in. one of those that also lived in rhythm gardens was alan duncan, who had down syndrome. a key figure who formed a lasting friendship with all of those that live there, and his dream is to be part of a band. live there, and his dream is to be part of a band-— live there, and his dream is to be part of a band. ways to sit around the table singing _ part of a band. ways to sit around the table singing together. - part of a band. ways to sit around the table singing together. the i part of a band. ways to sit around i the table singing together. the next thing was he was getting up on stage and singing with the band, and that happened when ever we are playing in cardiff, he would be up on the stage with us. , ., with us. one by one, institutionalised i with us. one by one, i institutionalised hospitals with us. one by one, - institutionalised hospitals like with us. one by one, _ institutionalised hospitals like ely closed, as the sporting living model borne byjim spread across the uk. many of those performing their story are neurodivergent actors, and incorporating their experiences as a key part of the writing process. t key part of the writing process. i was meeting a wide range of key part of the writing process. t was meeting a wide range of people, not necessarily the cast, butjust getting used to knowing people and working with people, and the rhythms of the speech, and what different people find it easy difficult to do, and they shaped not only the language, but in some cases the story. language, but in some cases the sto . ., ., , language, but in some cases the sto. ., ., �*, language, but in some cases the sto. ., ., story. there are not sick! it's a modern kind — story. there are not sick! it's a modern kind of— story. there are not sick! it's a modern kind of psychiatric- story. there are not sick! it's a i modern kind of psychiatric hospital. it modern kind of psychiatric hospital. it has _ modern kind of psychiatric hospital. it has this— modern kind of psychiatric hospital. it has this amazing duality of this bil it has this amazing duality of this big sociopolitical movement, because by the _ big sociopolitical movement, because by the late _ big sociopolitical movement, because by the late 90s, jim was advising the uk _ by the late 90s, jim was advising the uk government on how to shut down _ the uk government on how to shut down all— the uk government on how to shut down all long—stay institutions in the whole — down all long—stay institutions in the whole company, and bring in a model— the whole company, and bring in a model of— the whole company, and bring in a model of supported living, which is 'ust model of supported living, which is just incredible. but at the heart of the show, it is kind of about us and our friendship, the show, it is kind of about us and ourfriendship, so the show, it is kind of about us and our friendship, so it has that gorgeous— our friendship, so it has that gorgeous micro thing, but with a huge. _ gorgeous micro thing, but with a huge, amazing political story on top. huge, amazing political story on to. g huge, amazing political story on to n _ . ~ ., , ., huge, amazing political story on to. , . , huge, amazing political story on top. jim mansell later became our rofessor top. jim mansell later became our professor in _ top. jim mansell later became our professor in learning _ top. jim mansell later became our professor in learning this - professor in learning this abilities, setting up a pioneering research centre into autism and learning disabilities. he was awarded a cbe in 2012, the same year he died. ., , , ., ., ., he died. probably the main hero of all of this. — he died. probably the main hero of all of this. a _ he died. probably the main hero of all of this, a 19-year-old _ he died. probably the main hero of all of this, a 19-year-old student i all of this, a 19—year—old student who took on the world and rescued five people and started selling magic, notjust for them, five people 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for us this morning, but we are going to keep you up—to—date with some breaking news. israeli defence forces are carrying out air strikes in gaza — killing at least two palestinians — in response to an unprecedented attack by militants. the surprise attack began with a barrage of rockets — hamas claims it fired 5,000 — which killed at least one israeli citizen and has injured more than 150. the southern cities of ashkelon and beer sheva were badly hit — with cars and buildings in flames, while air raid sirens were also sounded in tel aviv and jerusalem. the air attack was followed by a ground, sea and air invasion of what the israeli defence forces called "terrorists" from gaza, with reports of "dozens" of gunmen shooting at people on the streets, attacking troops and seizing military vehicles. israel has refused to comments on reports — comment on reports — supported by unverified videos on social media — that an israeli soldier has been taken captive. it's promising to call up thousands of reservists, and says fighting is still ongoing at the erez border crossing, as well as a military training base. as ben said, there are updates constantly on the bbc news live page on the website, and we will keep you up—to—date throughout the day online, on radio, and of course on the news channel. it is now 9:40am. if you're going shopping today or popping out for a bite to eat, will you be carrying cash or do you prefer to pay by card? iam like i am like the queen, i don't carry cash. in a growing number of businesses, you won't even have the choice — as they opt to go cashless. it means more when you're actually parting with actual physical cash. our reporter crispin rolfe went to hornsea, in east yorkshire, where cash could be making a comeback. what would you prefer your customers to pay with? we prefer cash. what do you prefer? cash. it's there, isn't it? cash is king, definitely. i do use cash, but there used to be loads of cash machines. why is it still king for you? because, you know, you can control it better. you know what you've got. you know, you're not running into any debt or anything. ijust prefer cash. yes, pounds, and once upon a time, shillings and pence. but in the east yorkshire town of hornsey, cash ought to be king, rather than being the outdated pretender to the debit card's throne. well, a lot of people were coming in to pay by card, and of course, we didn't have a card machine then, so we said we'd have to get a card machine. and yet, without any high street banks, card payments are something that independent shops in hornsey are having to get used to. even the ones who've always avoided them because they come at a cost. you know, anything that goes through a card, there's an extra element to it there. we do prefer cash because obviously every time people use the card - machine, it costs us, then the price goes i up for customers. do you feel like, though, in a way you're still losing out because presumably you pay a percentage of those takings, nowadays? the bank, at the moment there's a card transaction, normally they're taking a percentage point off your profits. well, they are. but we aren't finding that we're losing all that much really by doing it. i think it's only about a penny or so in the pound. but of course, every penny adds up to the benefit of global banks rather than local communities. are you conscious of that? that the cash that you spend stays in the town where you spend it? all the time. keep that rather than send it back to the banks. do you think there's a way back? there needs to be, or if not, we will lose it. hornsea, though, is about to get its own community banking hub, but whether that will make a difference in a return to cash payments for businesses from all those tourists flocking in is something we'll have to find out next summer. crispin rolfe, bbc news. we're joined now by steve speakman from manchester civic society, who has been doing his own work, persuading hospitals and museums to take cash. good morning. it is funny, isn't it, we are in this position and talking about going back to cash? it happened very quickly overnight, didn't it? suddenly, everyone thought i could go cashless. why is it so important? it is thought i could go cashless. why is it so important?— it so important? it is very important _ it so important? it is very important on _ it so important? it is very important on a _ it so important? it is very important on a number i it so important? it is very j important on a number of it so important? it is very - important on a number of bases. it so important? it is very _ important on a number of bases. we were approached by people who couldn't access, if you like, the civic landscape. they couldn't accept getting to situations where culture was concerned, or health. for instance, in our campaign, and only great peregrinations travelling far and wide, speaking to people, and discovered certain things. number one, staff on the ground, often young people, were extremely keen, really enthusiastic at the prospect of bringing cash back. you get these big organisations, breweries or centre parks, who go cashless overnight, and they don't think of the implications, because there is a considerable number of people, older people, vulnerable people, older people, vulnerable people, disabled people, who cannot access, they cannot transact without cash. for instance, we had a gentleman who approached us, his wife was in stepping hill hospital, and he would spend long hours there because of his condition, and he couldn't buy a sandwich or a drink or anything from the shop stop i took that up with stepping hill hospital, and said to them, really? is this acceptable? and they saw the light, as did the manchester royal, and they went back to accepting cash. i want to say, the organisations that have gone back to cash have been really, shall i put it this way, enlightened in their understanding.— it this way, enlightened in their understanding. there is a cost to havint understanding. there is a cost to having cash _ understanding. there is a cost to having cash as — understanding. there is a cost to having cash as well, _ understanding. there is a cost to having cash as well, in _ understanding. there is a cost to having cash as well, in terms i understanding. there is a cost to having cash as well, in terms of| having cash as well, in terms of having cash as well, in terms of having to take it to the bank, having to take it to the bank, having to take it to the bank, having to look after it, doing that securely, and there is the convenience of contactless after the pandemic. the government has said, and there was this petition for make it unlawful to not accept cash, and the government have said businesses have the right to choose what forms of payment they accept. t have the right to choose what forms of payment they accept. ...- of payment they accept. i have found, of payment they accept. i have found. pretty _ of payment they accept. i have found, pretty universally, - of payment they accept. i have found, pretty universally, that i of payment they accept. i have found, pretty universally, that it i found, pretty universally, that it is the smaller businesses that prefer cash and cling to it, for the simple reason, not only do many of their clients still want to access in cash, you go in and buy something for a 90p, you don't want to be putting it on your card, mit? putting it on your card, why not? putting it on your card, why rrot? you _ putting it on your card, why not? you don't _ putting it on your card, why not? you don't get _ putting it on your card, why not? you don't get charged for it? be, because you don't have the cash gravity and you can see where you're going with this. uh, gravity and you can see where you're going with this-— going with this. a lot of people, oorer going with this. a lot of people, poorer people — going with this. a lot of people, poorer people in _ going with this. a lot of people, poorer people in particular, i going with this. a lot of people, poorer people in particular, use| poorer people in particular, use cash to see where they are going. i will go out of my son and go for a beer, and i will take a £20 note, i a see have got enough for a bourbon at the end of the night. this one pub i went to recently in stockport, on the said cash only cosmic set we had a delegation of wives, because the lads had a delegation of wives, because the [ads were coming in, what are you having? bank. they want even asking. is you having? bank. they want even askint. . . you having? bank. they want even askint. , . , you having? bank. they want even askin.. , . , ., asking. is an interesting thing, and i think it is a _ asking. is an interesting thing, and i think it is a debate _ asking. is an interesting thing, and i think it is a debate that _ asking. is an interesting thing, and i think it is a debate that will- i think it is a debate that will continue. it isjust i think it is a debate that will continue. it is just about the circumstances as well. it is really interesting, thank you so much. flan interesting, thank you so much. can i mention the places like interesting, thank you so much. cafu i mention the places like manchester museum, and salford lowry galleries, and the work firth art gallery, who have been very cooperative and have come back. we are currently still in negotiation with the imperial war museum. it negotiation with the imperial war museum. . negotiation with the imperial war museum. , ., ., ., ,, negotiation with the imperial war museum. ., ., ,, ., ,, museum. it is about awareness. thank ou. let'sjoin mike now, he has all the sport. it's crunch time at the rugby world cup on the final weekend of pool matches. while england and wales, who both play today, are already into the quarter finals, the main focus is on the huge clash in paris, where it's make or break for scotland against ireland. scotland have to win and win well against a irish team, who're on a record breaking winning streak. there are so many permutations, with both nations desperate to stay on in france. katie gornall reports. france and scotland have a shared history. if you go looking, you can find hints of it on the streets of paris. centuries ago, they formed the auld alliance to help each other in times of war. but here and now, the scots are facing a very different battle. it's a massive game for scotland. this is our world cup final. if scotland do pull this off, what kind of atmosphere do you think it will be like? 0h, it'll be incredible. this place will be going mad. i probably won't go to work on monday. i'll be in paris the rest of my life, so fingers crossed that will happen. and options here... scotland's record against ireland doesn't inspire confidence. defeat at this year's six nations was their eighth in a row against them. for scotland, something needs to change. if we lose the game, we're going home. but like i said, we'd been written off. we've faced the top two teams in the world, but for us, we're not going to die wondering. this game here at the stade de france has so many permutations for scotland, they need to win by at least eight points and stop ireland from picking up a four—try bonus point. it means there are several ways that ireland could lose and still go through, but this team doesn't think about defeat. after smashing through south africa last time out, ireland are on a 16—test winning streak, and their pool b decider will be extra special for peter o'mahony, who's set to win his 100th cap. but a note to the media, just don't make a fuss of it. oh, i would love to be at the side there now having a cup of tea with the lads. this would be the last place i'd sit in front of. but you know, i want to win for the lads at the weekend. that's the main thing. wales are already through. a point against georgia and they'll top their group. sounds simple, but a year ago it was georgia who came out on top. england, too, have their place in the quarters secured. in the meantime, their captain is one kick from history. two points from owen farrell against samoa would make him england's record points scorer. right now, it's about keeping their eyes on the prize. katy gornall, bbc news, paris. it was also a great night for a french team, in rugby league, as catalans dragons, from the city of perpignan, are into the super league grand final. ...and it was the former england captain, sam tompkins, who was the inspiration. they knocked out the defending champions, st helens. adam wild reports. in perpignan, a farewell party that no one really wanted. defeat in the semifinal would be the season's full stop. for some, that stop would be final. few players have burned brighter than catalans�* sam tomkins. retirement now beckons, a man that's won it all, desperate for it not to all end here. a sentiment shared by st helens�* james roby, another of the game's greats whose career is approaching its end. fittingly, that is when this semi was settled. saints the first to strike will a party finding just a little space. it was all he needed. penalties kept catalan in touch. this levelled the scores with just minutes remaining pressure drama is what the occasion deserved. now one final act to prolong his super league stay. tomkins! an astonishing finish and a career that won't finish here. a night that became suddenly saints and ruby's farewell party. for catalan, for tomkins, a grand final and one last dance. simone biles has become the greatest gymnast in history. the american won gold in the women's all—round final at the world championships in antwerp. her total of 34 world and olympic medals is more than any other gymnast, male or female. and this latest gold was on her return to competition, after a 2 year break to look after her mental health. we started in paris, and to swing back to paris. a scotland legend ahead of tonight's huge game. you can make absolutely, a good link there, mike. iwonderwhose can make absolutely, a good link there, mike. i wonder whose side he will be on! scotland will clash with ireland in the rugby world cup tonight but one gruelling battle will be won — hopefully — before the starting whistle. that's because the match ball will be delivered by the former scotland player kenny logan to mark the end he did it, as part of a star—studded team, to raise money for the doddie weir foundation — and he'll bejoined on the pitch by doddie's eldest son hamish. let's take a look at how the challenge has gone so far. can act this this is tough, the hills are tough. hard day, really enjoyable. # da—da—da—da! cheering kenny and gabby loganjoin us now from rouen in the north of france. you're looking lovely in your matching outfits! how out the saddle sores? that matching outfits! how out the saddle sores? .. .. .. matching outfits! how out the saddle sores? ., ~ ., sores? not too bad. at the moment, eve bod sores? not too bad. at the moment, everybody is — sores? not too bad. at the moment, everybody is so _ sores? not too bad. at the moment, everybody is so pumped _ sores? not too bad. at the moment, everybody is so pumped up. - sores? not too bad. at the moment, everybody is so pumped up. we i sores? not too bad. at the moment, j everybody is so pumped up. we have 20 more miles to go, anything is pure adrenaline running through everybody. pure adrenaline running through eve bod . . pure adrenaline running through eve bod . , ., pure adrenaline running through eve bod . ., pure adrenaline running through eve bod. ., ., everybody. there is a lot of adrenaline. _ everybody. there is a lot of adrenaline. the _ everybody. there is a lot of adrenaline. the bottom i everybody. there is a lot of| adrenaline. the bottom has everybody. there is a lot of i adrenaline. the bottom has been sore, _ adrenaline. the bottom has been sore. we — adrenaline. the bottom has been sore, we had a lot of cream, that has been — sore, we had a lot of cream, that has been very welcome. too much! comina has been very welcome. too much! comin: to has been very welcome. too much! coming to france, _ has been very welcome. too much! coming to france, it _ has been very welcome. too much! coming to france, it has _ has been very welcome. too much! coming to france, it has been i coming to france, it has been brilliant — coming to france, it has been brilliant. everybody has worked hard. _ brilliant. everybody has worked hard. it — brilliant. everybody has worked hard, it has been tiring, the work has been — hard, it has been tiring, the work has been... it has been good fun, we do it for— has been... it has been good fun, we do it for a _ has been... it has been good fun, we do it for a great cause. and has been. .. it has been good fun, we do it for a great cause.— do it for a great cause. and that tan tells us _ do it for a great cause. and that tan tells us how _ do it for a great cause. and that tan tells us how good _ do it for a great cause. and that tan tells us how good the - do it for a great cause. and that l tan tells us how good the weather has been, kenny. the weather looks glorious, it all looks very lovely, but i imagine there are some tough bits? ., ,., ., , , . bits? there are some tough bits. we had a ample — bits? there are some tough bits. we had a ample of _ bits? there are some tough bits. we had a couple of injuries, _ bits? there are some tough bits. we had a couple of injuries, people - had a couple of injuries, people felt had a couple of injuries, people fell off— had a couple of injuries, people fell off bikes, and one of our guys broke _ fell off bikes, and one of our guys broke his — fell off bikes, and one of our guys broke his arm, which is a bit disappointing. the hills are horrible _ disappointing. the hills are horrible we worked hard together. robin _ horrible we worked hard together. robin talked about why we are doing it, robin talked about why we are doing it. so— robin talked about why we are doing it. so there — robin talked about why we are doing it, so there is no morning on this trio _ it, so there is no morning on this trio we — it, so there is no morning on this trip. we thought about the reason why we _ trip. we thought about the reason why we are — trip. we thought about the reason why we are doing this, taking the ball to _ why we are doing this, taking the hall to the — why we are doing this, taking the ball to the match,... that why we are doing this, taking the ball to the match,...— why we are doing this, taking the ball to the match,... that is one of the shining — ball to the match,... that is one of the shining lights _ ball to the match,... that is one of the shining lights in _ ball to the match,... that is one of the shining lights in the _ ball to the match,... that is one of the shining lights in the distance, i the shining lights in the distance, we all knew we were going to go to an epic rugby match. but it is going to be worth it. i an epic rugby match. but it is going to be worth it— to be worth it. i won't be asking ou to to be worth it. i won't be asking you to predict — to be worth it. i won't be asking you to predict the _ to be worth it. i won't be asking you to predict the scores, - to be worth it. i won't be asking you to predict the scores, i - to be worth it. i won't be asking you to predict the scores, i will| you to predict the scores, i will just be saying enjoy it, of course. i know kenny says there is no morning aloud, but who has moaned most out of you to? filth. morning aloud, but who has moaned most out of you to?— most out of you to? oh, no, i would alwa s be most out of you to? oh, no, i would always be me- _ most out of you to? oh, no, i would always be me. he _ most out of you to? oh, no, i would always be me. hejust_ most out of you to? oh, no, i would always be me. he just doesn't - most out of you to? oh, no, i would | always be me. he just doesn't moan. always be me. hejust doesn't moan. the only time i was a little bit close to onus and we had to cross over from the —— close to onus and we had to cross overfrom the —— a close to onus and we had to cross over from the —— a little close to onus and we had to cross overfrom the —— a little bit close to onus and we had to cross over from the —— a little bit close to a moan was when we should have crossed over on the ferry at brighton, and we should have got four hours of sleep, i didn't get one moment, and then i didn't get any breakfast, so no breakfast, no coffee, no sleep, i would have thought somebody was allowed, but that was a lesson learnt, no morning allowed. ., , ., ., ,, allowed. you 'ust have to think about what _ allowed. you just have to think about what the _ allowed. you just have to think about what the money - allowed. you just have to think about what the money is - allowed. you just have to think about what the money is used | allowed. you just have to think. about what the money is used for, allowed. you just have to think- about what the money is used for, so just tell us. public it is for the my name's doddy foundation, doddie weir was a good friend of mine, and he sadly passed away, so we are hoping to find our cure for mnd,, and the key _ hoping to find our cure for mnd,, and the key thing _ hoping to find our cure for mnd,, and the key thing for _ hoping to find our cure for mnd,, and the key thing for us - hoping to find our cure for mnd,, and the key thing for us is - hoping to find our cure for mnd,, and the key thing for us is trying l and the key thing for us is trying to find _ and the key thing for us is trying to find some kind of cure or something that can stop the disease or slow— something that can stop the disease or slow it— something that can stop the disease or slow it down. that something that can stop the disease or slow it down.— or slow it down. that was his wish when he started _ or slow it down. that was his wish when he started the _ or slow it down. that was his wish when he started the foundation. l or slow it down. that was his wish l when he started the foundation. he realised very quickly wasn't about him, _ realised very quickly wasn't about him. it— realised very quickly wasn't about him. it is— realised very quickly wasn't about him, it is all about how he could find something for the person who is going _ find something for the person who is going to _ find something for the person who is going to get mnd tomorrow or next week. — going to get mnd tomorrow or next week. �* . , going to get mnd tomorrow or next week. �* ., , ., ., going to get mnd tomorrow or next week. �* .,, ., ., ,._ going to get mnd tomorrow or next week. �* .,, ., ., _ ., week. and i was going to say, how how will that _ week. and i was going to say, how how will that money _ week. and i was going to say, how how will that money get _ week. and i was going to say, how how will that money get used? - week. and i was going to say, how how will that money get used? if. week. and i was going to say, how i how will that money get used? if you no how will that money get used? if you to back to how will that money get used? if you go back to when _ how will that money get used? if you go back to when he _ how will that money get used? if you go back to when he started _ how will that money get used? if you go back to when he started the foundation, there is only one tablet. — foundation, there is only one tablet, and now there are five or six trials — tablet, and now there are five or six trials on _ tablet, and now there are five or six trials on the go, they are constantly engineering new tablets...— constantly engineering new tablets... , ., , ., constantly engineering new tablets... , ., ., tablets... there was 35 years of no ro . ress tablets... there was 35 years of no progress when _ tablets... there was 35 years of no progress when doddie _ tablets... there was 35 years of no progress when doddie weir - tablets... there was 35 years of no progress when doddie weir was . progress when doddie weir was diagnosed, so we just find that devastating. the community seem to have been galvanised, he has raised the profile along with other people who have been in the last few years raising a lot of money, anything he wanted to leave that legacy that people are more aware that there wasn't enough going into this, enough research. public and when he passed, a lot of people said, let's do this for passed, a lot of people said, let's do this fo , ., ., do this for him,, the start of something. _ do this for him,, the start of something, let's _ do this for him,, the start of something, let's finish - do this for him,, the start of something, let's finish it. it| do this for him,, the start of. something, let's finish it. it is do this for him,, the start of - something, let's finish it. it is an underfunded disease, so let's keep working _ underfunded disease, so let's keep working hard. you underfunded disease, so let's keep working hard-— working hard. you will be at the name working hard. you will be at the game tonight. _ working hard. you will be at the game tonight, scotland - working hard. you will be at the game tonight, scotland versus l game tonight, scotland versus ireland, set the scene. you know what it is like, when you are a former player, and you're looking back. if you had doddie weir there, you were all sitting there watching a match like this, tell me and keep them language to a minimum! doddie had aood them language to a minimum! doddie had good fun. — them language to a minimum! doddie had good fun, but _ them language to a minimum! doddie had good fun, but he _ them language to a minimum! doddie had good fun, but he had _ them language to a minimum! doddie had good fun, but he had a _ them language to a minimum! doddie had good fun, but he had a serious i had good fun, but he had a serious side to— had good fun, but he had a serious side to hint — had good fun, but he had a serious side to him. he was serious when he played _ side to him. he was serious when he played rugby. the disease, his bravery— played rugby. the disease, his bravery came out the back of that. the players — bravery came out the back of that. the players will be looking forward to it, _ the players will be looking forward to it. they— the players will be looking forward to it, they will be excited. the scotland — to it, they will be excited. the scotland team will feel they have not performed that well in the tournament so far, because against south _ tournament so far, because against south africa they were very good in the first—half, peru in the second. it is the first—half, peru in the second. it is a _ the first—half, peru in the second. it is a long — the first—half, peru in the second. it is a long day as well. when you play at _ it is a long day as well. when you play at nine — it is a long day as well. when you play at nine o'clock at night, it is an extra — play at nine o'clock at night, it is an extra three or four hours on your day~ _ an extra three or four hours on your day~ paris— an extra three or four hours on your day paris will— an extra three or four hours on your day. paris will be buzzing tonight. we are _ day. paris will be buzzing tonight. we are going into paris through the fan park. the ireland and scotland fans are great fans anyway, the atmosphere of these games as electric as it is. the butterflies are going. it is going to be brilliant. he is very nervous as a scotland fan! it brilliant. he is very nervous as a scotland fan!— scotland fan! it will be 28-18 to scotland! that _ scotland fan! it will be 28-18 to scotland! that is _ scotland fan! it will be 28-18 to scotland! that is our _ scotland fan! it will be 28-18 to scotland! that is our national . scotland! that is our national television! _ scotland! that is our national television! good _ scotland! that is our national television! good luck - scotland! that is our national television! good luck with - scotland! that is our national| television! good luck with the scotland! that is our national - television! good luck with the rest of the journey. —— that is on national television. that's all from us today. breakfast is back from six o'clock tomorrow. you can follow all the breaking news from israel and gaza on the bbc news channel, the live page online, and bbc radio. the latest development has come in the last few minutes. it's a video by the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu — posted on social media — in which he declares "we are at war". more across the bbc. to have a good saturday. live from london. this is bbc news. israeli security forces move to a war footing — following a surprise attack by the palestinian militant group — hamas. thousands of rockets are launched from the gaza strip — at least one person is reported to have died. warning sign — the bbc discovers global temperatures are passing a key threshold at an alarming rate. and — record breaker — america's simone biles becomes the most decorated gymnast of all time. hello and welcome. i'm catherine byaruhanga. we start in the middle east where security forces in southern israel have moved to a war footing to combat a surprise attack by the palestinian militant group, hamas — the biggest in years. thousands of rockets have been launched into israel from gaza. and dozens of militants appear to have entered southern israel. here's what we know so far. the rocket attacks have struck tel aviv and areas that surround gaza. air raid sirens have also sounded in several other towns. at least one person is reported to have been killed so far. the town of ashkelon has seen major explosions. details of the palestinian incursions are unclear, but gunmen have been reported in towns near the gaza border and israelis have been warned to stay inside.

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