now on bbc news, hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i m stephen sackur today on the shores of italy s lake como at the ambrosetti forum, where some of europe s leading politicians have gathered to talk politics and economics. the global covid pandemic and intensifying superpower rivalries all present the eu with some very difficult questions. my guest today is spain s first deputy prime minister, nadia calvino. is europe too divided, too inward looking to shape the 21st century? deputy prime minister nadia calvino, welcome to hardtalk. it s a pleasure to be here. i think i have to start by talking afghanistan. the us led withdrawal from the country it looked chaotic, it was very difficult. what lessons do you think the european union must learn from what happened? well, for months we ve been listening to the defence minister in spain warning us about the situation in afghanistan, but i think to all of us, it was a shock. frankly, it was quite unexpected, you know, that there
first deputy prime minister, nadia calvino. is europe too divided, too inward looking to shape the 21st century? deputy prime minister nadia calvino, welcome to hardtalk. it s a pleasure to be here. i think i have to start by talking afghanistan. the us led withdrawal from the country it looked chaotic, it was very difficult. what lessons do you think the european union must learn from what happened? well, for months we ve been listening to the defence minister in spain warning us about the situation in afghanistan, but i think to all of us, it was a shock. frankly, it was quite unexpected, you know, that there would be such a fast development. because the americans hadn t consulted with european allies? well, i m not informed about the different consultations that may have taken place, but i think we were all surprised about the rhythm of these developments and the tragic developments. there are two things that i would highlight from the european response. the first one is
now on bbc news hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i m stephen sackur today on the shores of italy s lake como at the ambrosetti forum, where some of europe s leading politicians have gathered to talk politics and economics. the global covid pandemic and intensifying superpower rivalries all present the eu with some very difficult questions. my guest today is spain s first deputy prime minister, nadia calvino. is europe too divided, too inward looking to shape the 21st century? deputy prime minister nadia calvino, welcome to hardtalk. it s a pleasure to be here. i think i have to start by talking afghanistan. the us led withdrawal from the country it looked chaotic, it was very difficult. what lessons do you think the european union must learn from what happened? well, for months we ve been listening to the defence minister in spain warning us about the situation in afghanistan, but i think to all of us, it was a shock. frankly, it was quite unexpected, you know, that there
first deputy prime minister, nadia calvino. is europe too divided, too inward looking, to shape the 21st century? deputy prime minister nadia calvino, welcome to hardtalk. it s a pleasure to be here. i think i have to start by talking afghanistan. the us led withdrawal from the country it looked chaotic, it was very difficult. what lessons do you think the european union must learn from what happened? well, for months we ve been listening to the defence minister in spain warning us about the situation in afghanistan, but i think to all of us, it was a shock. frankly, it was quite unexpected, you know, that there would be such a fast development. because the americans hadn t consulted with european allies? well, i m not informed about the different consultations that may have taken place, but i think we were all surprised about the rhythm of these developments and the tragic developments. there are two things that i would highlight from the european response. the first one i