shares in evergrande, the world's most indebted property firm with liabilities of $328 billion, fell a further 13% on tuesday. the day before more than $2 billion was wiped off evergrande�*s market value when it resumed trading for the first time in almost 18 months. now, another property developer, country garden, is causing concern. let's get more on this with our asia business reporter monica miller. tell us more about country garden? it tell us more about country garden? , tell us more about country garden?— tell us more about country garden? , ., , garden? it is china's largest ro -e garden? it is china's largest property developer - garden? it is china's largest property developer by - garden? it is china's largest property developer by sales| property developer by sales volumes until this year, like so many chinese real estate businesses it has been hurt by weak property sales. you have to take into consideration the value of homes has plunged as the world's second—largest economy starts to cool off, lower sales were tighter access to money has caused a tight cash squeeze, later today we will get a better idea of country garden's financial help when it really —— releases its half—year results. it's years down half a percent ahead of that use, it had raised flags earlier this month after missing some payments and asked to extend an onshore —— optional private bond payment. its meeting with bond holders is expected to iron out terms that could be the start of a major restructuring of the debt and company assets, there are fears this could have a global effect as the company has developments as far away as malaysia. a company official says they have little cash to pay its debt because most of the funds are locked up in escrow accounts and projects that are already in the pipeline into sure the deliveries of some of those homes over the next two years. that is the background on country garden. looking at evergrande she is now, currently trading in hong kong, down over 8% right now, we mentioned they were down 13% yesterday and an 80% decline on monday. let's discuss this with hong bo, professor in financial economics, school of finance and management at soas university of london. a warm welcome to the programme, given what is happening, country garden is on the radar, no surprise everybody is now worried about the possible contagion. but everybody is now worried about the possible contagion.- the possible contagion. but we have seen _ the possible contagion. but we have seen evergrande - the possible contagion. but we have seen evergrande from - the possible contagion. but we | have seen evergrande from last year, country garden is in a very similar situation and i think they probably learned some lessons in terms of how to restructure the debt, so i think we just need to wait and see, there may be some relatively smaller property developers who are also facing a similar problem but this is probably we have to go through. what impact is this happening on the chinese economy? yes. what impact is this happening on the chinese economy? yes, it is a vicious _ on the chinese economy? yes, it is a vicious circle, _ on the chinese economy? yes, it is a vicious circle, if _ on the chinese economy? yes, it is a vicious circle, if you - is a vicious circle, if you like, because the economy is not doing well, that negativity affects the cash flow for those developers, property developers, property developers, so they are not able to repay debts, on time, so that is basically the crisis we are facing. and but, in of the property developers are not able to repay, that created a lot of uncertainty for, you know consumers confidence, and it also affect the construction materials and steel and other related industries, so i think it is kind of, yes, it is a circle. it is kind of, yes, it is a circle-— circle. why doesn't the government _ circle. why doesn't the government or - circle. why doesn't the government or the - circle. why doesn't the - government or the authorities intervene, is it not an argument that evergrande is too big to fail? i argument that evergrande is too bi to fail? ., ., argument that evergrande is too big to fail?— big to fail? i would not say that they _ big to fail? i would not say that they think _ big to fail? i would not say that they think they - big to fail? i would not say that they think they are . big to fail? i would not say| that they think they are too big to fail but i think, you see we have seen quite a lot of other measures, but those measures have not really corrected, related to the property market. i think they know what is going on and i think they know that there is a very big bubble, so in the property market, they need to actually unbuckle the market. yes, they are waiting to see what for example if that problem is getting into the whole financial system, and i think the government should be prepared to do more to direct the state it is in now.- the state it is in now. james cleverly the _ the state it is in now. james cleverly the foreign - the state it is in now. james i cleverly the foreign secretary is in china as well, he will be talking trade and this is, we will keep a close eye on what he is up to there as well. to the us now, where there has been a surprise decline in the labour market, with the number ofjob openings falling injuly to the lowest level in nearly 2.5 yea rs. the latest data from the labor department also shows the number of people quitting theirjobs dropped to levels last seen in early 2021, indicating that americans are becoming less confident in the labour market. let's speak now to tom stevenson, investment director good morning to you. we are going to get a revision on gdp growth as well for the second quarter today in the us, quite a lot of economic data coming out this week, what is your take on how the us economy is faring? it take on how the us economy is farinu ? , , . take on how the us economy is farinu? ,, . ., faring? it is such an interesting - faring? it is such an interesting contrast| faring? it is such an - interesting contrast with the situation china you have just been talking about because there we are in china bad news being taken quite bad by the market, what we are seeing in the us is the exec at —— opposite, we are seeing bad news on the economy in the market taking the swell, last night the us stock market was up night the us stock market was up ijy night the us stock market was up by i.5%, night the us stock market was up byi.5%, its night the us stock market was up by i.5%, its best performance for the last three months, we have had three days of rising markets, and the reason for that, is that the numbers we are seeing about the jobs market, fewerjob openings and fewer vacancies, fewer people leaving theirjobs because they are less confident and they go out into the market they will find anotherjob, they will find another job, what they will find anotherjob, what the market is taking from that as it is less likely interest rates will go up it further. exp —— the expectation was they might rise one more time by a court november now the markets are saying i think actually the federal reserve might be done with interest rate rises and we might be looking at that bit that the market has been waiting for, towards cheaper money. also, friday we will _ towards cheaper money. also, friday we will get _ towards cheaper money. also, friday we will get the - towards cheaper money. also, friday we will get the latest i friday we will get the latest unemployment data in the us the non—farm payment as well we will get a good picture as to how the us is doing, jerome powell ahead of us federal reserve is at pains to say i'm not necessarily saying i am done yet and it comes to raising the cost of borrowing? that's right, at the end of last week market participants leave the week feeling i think jerome powell has just said at the jackson hole summit he is probably not feeling like he's ready stop just yet, he says inflation is too high and he will raise interest rates of appropriate if he has to. the narrative has changed this week, he says ok i hear you mr jerome help we know you will raise interest rates if you have to but the jobs market is turning and the economy is turning and the economy is turning and the economy is turning and turning to the fabled soft landing everyone was hoping for, the federal reserve can get on top of inflation but without breaking the army, that is what everyone hopes for and that is what now looks more likely at —— than at the end of last week. looks more likely at -- than at the end of last week.— looks more likely at -- than at the end of last week. hence the increase in _ the end of last week. hence the increase in shares _ the end of last week. hence the increase in shares on _ the end of last week. hence the increase in shares on wall - increase in shares on wall street. the head of air traffic services, has confirmed a technical failure and not a cyber attack led to more than a quarter of uk flights being cancelled on monday. martin rolfe, says flight information received by the national air traffic services, triggered a suspension of automatic systems, which meant data had to be managed manually. thousands of travellers have been affected, and it could be several days before flight schedules, are back to normal. here's katy austin. the shock waves from yesterday continue to be felt as these passengers at liverpool this afternoon discovered. we booked to take the _ afternoon discovered. we booked to take the kids _ afternoon discovered. we booked to take the kids for— afternoon discovered. we booked to take the kids for dublin - afternoon discovered. we booked to take the kids for dublin to - to take the kids for dublin to the day and got here and told us we are cancelled. struggling to work out _ us we are cancelled. struggling to work out how _ us we are cancelled. struggling to work out how we _ us we are cancelled. struggling to work out how we will - us we are cancelled. struggling to work out how we will fill - us we are cancelled. struggling to work out how we will fill in l to work out how we will fill in our day — to work out how we will fill in our day till 11 o'clock tonight. our day till 11 o'clock tonight-— our day till 11 o'clock toniaht. ., . , tonight. aircraft and cruise have been _ tonight. aircraft and cruise have been left _ tonight. aircraft and cruise have been left out - tonight. aircraft and cruise have been left out of- tonight. aircraft and cruise i have been left out of position by the hundreds of cancellations and many flights back to the uk were already all, saying they are doing everything they can to get people home but some face a long wait. people home but some face a long wait-— people home but some face a lona wait. , , long wait. currently embedding door, the next _ long wait. currently embedding door, the next fight _ long wait. currently embedding door, the next fight will - long wait. currently embedding door, the next fight will be - long wait. currently embedding door, the next fight will be on i door, the next fight will be on friday and take eight hours with a four hour stopover in geneva which is frustrating. we had to fork out thousand pounds for hotels for the next four nights. for hotels for the next four niuhts. ~ for hotels for the next four niahts.~ , ., , ., nights. we stayed in paris for the niuht nights. we stayed in paris for the night then _ nights. we stayed in paris for the night then we _ nights. we stayed in paris for the night then we spoke - nights. we stayed in paris for the night then we spoke to i nights. we stayed in paris for i the night then we spoke to bay -- ba — the night then we spoke to bay —— ba after not receiving any confirmation of a flight cancellation. they could not look— cancellation. they could not look us _ cancellation. they could not look us over anything till thursday morning.- thursday morning. the disruption _ thursday morning. the disruption was - thursday morning. the disruption was caused | thursday morning. tie: disruption was caused by a technical problem at air traffic provider, tonight the executive apologised and explained what initial investigations into the cause had found. investigations into the cause had found-— investigations into the cause had found. _ , , . had found. our systems received from data on _ had found. our systems received from data on a _ had found. our systems received from data on a aircraft _ had found. our systems received from data on a aircraft and - had found. our systems received from data on a aircraft and we i from data on a aircraft and we could not process it, that is incredibly rare, we possess millions a year and hundreds every day, it was safer to revert to a manual system. this meant for _ revert to a manual system. this meant for a _ revert to a manual system. this meant for a time _ revert to a manual system. this meant for a time yesterday fewer flights could be meant for a time yesterday fewerflights could be handled, the boss said he was confident it would not happen again. we it would not happen again. - understand the way the system did not handle the data that we saw, the way it failed if you like. we have put in place ready procedures to make sure if that happens again, we can resolve it very quickly, so we are very confident on that. by, are very confident on that. a review is now being carried out in a preliminary report is due to be presented to the transport secretary on monday, it will be days before things get completely back to normal, as well as causing misery for those whose flights and holidays has been cancelled this will be a costly and frustrating. your alliance. it is not the way airlines or passengers wanted the summer to enter. let's get some of the day's other news now. the social media platform x, formerly twitter, says it's lifting a nearly four—year ban on political adverts in the united states. x said it was building on its "commitment to free expression", and to "empower users to express their opinions and openly debate during elections". it said it would also expand its safety and elections teams to focus on combating content manipulation. ajudge in the us has rejected a bid by burger king to dismiss a lawsuit claiming that it cheated hungry customers by making its whopper sandwich appear larger than it actually is. customers in the proposed class action accused burger king of portraying burgers with ingredients that "overflow over the bun," making it appear the burgers are 35% larger and contain more than double the meat than the chain serves. and still to come — the audience takes control. how this year's edinburgh fringe festival has been a showcase for interactive technology. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. bringing you different stories from across the uk. for well over hundred years the glendale show has been big news in north cumberland, a proper local event for local people but it attracted visitors and equestrian competitors from much further afield. {line equestrian competitors from much further afield.- equestrian competitors from much further afield. one is a sh and much further afield. one is a shy and one _ much further afield. one is a shy and one is _ much further afield. one is a shy and one is shia - much further afield. one is a shy and one is shia across i shy and one is shia across clyde, good match appear they used to use them for breweries years ago. used to use them for breweries years ago-— used to use them for breweries years ago. but some events are less serious — years ago. but some events are less serious than _ years ago. but some events are less serious than some - years ago. but some events are less serious than some others. | less serious than some others. we have mediterranean donkeys from sardinia, the maximum height is 36 inches at the shoulder and we have them or fun. we show them for fun and the agility at the end is purely about fun for everybody to watch as well as the donkeys. to watch as well as the donkeys-— to watch as well as the donke s. ., . ., donkeys. some are recalcitrant auoin donkeys. some are recalcitrant going around? _ donkeys. some are recalcitrant going around? the _ donkeys. some are recalcitrant going around? the show- donkeys. some are recalcitrant going around? the show was . going around? the show was still not fully recovered from the covid—i9 pandemic nobody he was questioning its long—term viability or that the industry which supports it. you're live with bbc news. let's now talk about al and cyber security — two hot topics — and now the uk's intelligence service is weighing in. the cyber arm of gchq is warning that current large language models, like chatgpt, are essentially still in their beta phase and so should be used with caution. the organisation also outlined ways that this type of ai poses security risks — both to someone using the tech and also inherently within the building blocks themselves. i'm joined now by the author and researcher dr stephanie hare. a regular on this programme. lovely to see you. what do you make of these warnings from gchq? ., ., ., , gchq? on the one hand i was fascinated _ gchq? on the one hand i was fascinated and _ gchq? on the one hand i was fascinated and on _ gchq? on the one hand i was fascinated and on the - gchq? on the one hand i was fascinated and on the other. fascinated and on the other confused. i will try to break this down. the national cybersecurity centre is a branch of gchq in the uk and if they are wonderful and i urge anyone who is curious about chatgpt and other forms of ai chatgpt and other forms of al to go to their websites. they are putting out to new blogs today for us. they are telling us that all of these wonderful still that people are using, chatgptjust still that people are using, chatgpt just one still that people are using, chatgptjust one of them, are in fact still very experimental which is something we needed to hear ten months ago when chatgpt exploded onto the public consciousness because what is happening, if you're reading the financial times or the new york times or the wall street journal, the new york times or the wall streetjournal, all business leaders around the world are saying they have to integrate these technologies into the business otherwise they are afraid of missing out but our friends at the security — warn the tools are built on, the data that they are built on could be poison and someone could be poison and someone could deliberately interfere with it and that could be bad for the customers using these tools. prompt injection attacks is a second threat. somebody can... imagine being a naughty teenager, how could you break these tools to make it as something it was not designed to do now imagine that being done by criminal. bad to do now imagine that being done by criminal.— done by criminal. bad actors usin: done by criminal. bad actors using this — done by criminal. bad actors using this for _ done by criminal. bad actors using this for the _ done by criminal. bad actors using this for the wrong - done by criminal. bad actors i using this for the wrong reason which has really been that from the get go because several high profile names who have said, we need to just put the brakes on all of this and the debate has been going on for some ten months now.— been going on for some ten months now. , ., , , months now. yes, that is why it is interesting. _ months now. yes, that is why it is interesting. why _ months now. yes, that is why it is interesting. why now? - months now. yes, that is why it is interesting. why now? it - is interesting. why now? it might be precisely because of the uptake we are seeing in business. a report came out quite recently with a survey of 2000 business leaders saying they were going to be bringing this stuff into their operations. the cybersecurity centre is saying this stuff is difficult to detect and it is almost impossible to have a failsafe mitigation. if you are a ceo or general counsel of the company and you thinking i bring a large language model into my business, you might want to pause that because what the cybersecurity is saying is that you might not be able to detect when it is going wrong and you cannot have a failsafe prevention so what do you do if there is somewhat with a responsibility to protect your business, you do not one to have fraud or harm so it is a slowdown from the national cybersecurity centre and a warning this is experimental technology. it warning this is experimental technology-— technology. it is good to alwa s technology. it is good to always have _ technology. it is good to always have a _ technology. it is good to always have a reminderl technology. it is good to i always have a reminder of technology. it is good to - always have a reminder of that. lovely to see you again. the edinburgh festival fringe returned to the streets and venues of the scottish capital this month. it's become a world leading celebration of arts and culture but, what about a showcase for technology? nick kwek from the bbc�*s click programme went along to find out. this year i am properly getting involved. i do not think i will be doing that. and i will leave this one to the professionals. instead, i am going to see something much more on my level. robo bingo, the interactive brainchild of two it consultants turned lifestage performers. it is a comedy act which involves a lot of moving parts, literally, and quite the setup. parts, literally, and quite the setu -. . parts, literally, and quite the setu. ., , ., . ., setup. the main pro'ector first... the t setup. the main pro'ector first... the first h setup. the main projector first... the first thing - setup. the main projector first... the first thing i i setup. the main projector. first... the first thing i have to do is _ first... the first thing i have to do is connect _ first... the first thing i have to do is connect to - first... the first thing i have to do is connect to the - first... the first thing i have i to do is connect to the wi-fi, to do is connect to the wi—fi, which they have to install each night and what powers the whole thing. we night and what powers the whole thin. ~ , night and what powers the whole thinu. ~ , ., night and what powers the whole thin. ~ , ., , thing. we used to build invoicing _ thing. we used to build invoicing systems - thing. we used to build invoicing systems for i thing. we used to build - invoicing systems for small to medium enterprises in the midland and that was boring so we stopped and we took our skill set to this show. but! skill set to this show. and what a show _ skill set to this show. and what a show it _ skill set to this show. and what a show it is. - skill set to this show. and what a show it is. it - skill set to this show. and what a show it is. it is - skill set to this show. and what a show it is. it is a l what a show it is. it is a texas tech come virtual art class crazy frog drag show... got it? me neither. and they control everything that happens. live on stage. these are 'ust happens. live on stage. these are just the — happens. live on stage. these are just the most _ happens. live on stage. these are just the most advanced i are just the most advanced powerpoint click is available on the market. we had them custom—made. next thing, previous scene, kick drum, synthesiser.— synthesiser. ship foghorn, mediumship _ synthesiser. ship foghorn, mediumship foghorn. - synthesiser. ship foghorn, mediumship foghorn. i- synthesiser. ship foghorn, l mediumship foghorn. i think after all that, _ mediumship foghorn. i think after all that, i'm _ mediumship foghorn. i think after all that, i'm going - mediumship foghorn. i think after all that, i'm going to l after all that, i'm going to have a lie down. just as well as i am attending a sleep study. thank you for participating in our study. chicago based troop october brian presenting comedy show and debuting that new sketch. and tonight, by sheer chance, i am the chosen one. obviously, this does not work and i am not really falling asleep at the show must go on. perhaps the technology _ show must go on. perhaps the technology is _ show must go on. perhaps the technology is not _ show must go on. perhaps the technology is not quite - show must go on. perhaps the technology is not quite ready i technology is not quite ready to ship yet. technology is not quite ready to ship yet-— technology is not quite ready toshi et. �* ., , ., , to ship yet. but we have phones and other things _ to ship yet. but we have phones and other things when - and other things when technology is omnipresent in our lives _ technology is omnipresent in our lives and we are over reliant— our lives and we are over reliant on— our lives and we are over reliant on it and that is something we wanted to play with — something we wanted to play with. ~ ., ., , ., with. we wanted to see how we could invent — with. we wanted to see how we could invent a _ with. we wanted to see how we could invent a sort _ with. we wanted to see how we could invent a sort of _ could invent a sort of technology people are not yet scared of and now make them scared of and now make them scared of. scared of and now make them scared oh— millions, billions, trillions — if you struggle to tell the difference between these figures, well, you are not alone. that's because the human brain just isn't wired to understand such massive numbers, so why do we have such a hard time comprehending figures on a large scale? lindsey hasak is doctoral candidate in developmental and psychological sciences at stanford university. welcome to the programme. we have been looking at huge numbers in the us because of the debt ceiling debacle, the political deadlock that comes around again and again. why cannot we tackle these big numbers?— cannot we tackle these big numbers? ., ,, ., ., numbers? thank you for having me and just _ numbers? thank you for having me and just as _ numbers? thank you for having me and just as you _ numbers? thank you for having me and just as you said, - numbers? thank you for having me and just as you said, in - me and just as you said, in short, our brain circuits are not specialised to consider quantities that are as large as millions and billions which are just concepts so far outside our daily experience. in our day—to—day life, people mostly deal with small quantities, like figuring out how many onions you need to cut up for a dinner recipe. in addition to that, numbers and representing numbers with written symbols like we currently do is that relatively new invention. but people a bit interacting in space with numbers for a long time. our brain circuit some people say i recycle from ancient systems for using tools and interacting with the objects into the space around us so it is really no surprise that we are not fully equipped to be able to deal with these huge concepts when we are built on systems that evolved from something very different. does it really matter _ something very different. does it really matter if _ something very different. does it really matter if our _ something very different. does it really matter if our brain - it really matter if our brain cannot cope if we have brilliant devices like the old—fashioned calculator that can do things for us? that old-fashioned calculator that can do things for us?- old-fashioned calculator that can do things for us? that is a treat can do things for us? that is a great question. _ can do things for us? that is a great question. it _ can do things for us? that is a great question. it does. - can do things for us? that is a great question. it does. in - great question. it does. in addition to our brain not be able to handle it, it changes how we interact with these numbers in our behaviour so there are studies that show that people tend to underestimate really large numbers and also miss estimate where these different signal markers like billions and trillions and millions fall on a number line. we think of them as categories but a billion is as categories but a billion is a thousand times more than a million and a billion is a thousand times less than a trillion. i thousand times less than a trillion. .., , , trillion. i can feel my view is our glazing _ trillion. i can feel my view is our glazing over _ trillion. i can feel my view is our glazing over when - trillion. i can feel my view is our glazing over when you i trillion. i can feel my view is i our glazing over when you start to talk about that because it is the same notjust with millions and trillions but also with weight and volume. it must be on all sorts of levels? sure, the same brain system that hypothesised to have been recycled for numbers are similar. we are very good at judging similarities and differences between things. what is a larger, smaller, weighs more or less, what is faster and also how we interact in the world. but in general people are not to great at making those estimates. i am aware of that. _ making those estimates. i am aware of that. i _ making those estimates. i am aware of that. i certainly i making those estimates. i am aware of that. i certainly am i aware of that. i certainly am not. thank you so much, it has been fascinating. depending on where you are watching, that might�*ve been all too much for you at this hour of the morning but thank you for being with us. have a lovely day and i will you soon. hello. on the other side of the atlantic, a major weather story is going to be developing during wednesday, because florida is bracing for the arrival of hurricane idalia. this storm has been strengthening, moving northwards over the very warm waters of the gulf of mexico. it's going to make landfall during wednesday in the north—west of florida with a combination of dangerous winds, a life—threatening storm surge, with the potential to cause catastrophic flooding. we will, of course, keep you up to date with that. here at home, a much quieter weather outlook for wednesday. sunny spells and scattered showers. most places getting off to a fine start. a little bit of mist here and there that will tend to lift and clear, and then a lot of sunshine around. but shower clouds will bubble up through the day. a scattering of showers to take us through the afternoon, the odd heavy one. but there will be some big dry gaps in between. temperatures ranging from 15 degrees in stornoway and lerwick to 19 in london, maybe 20 somewhere in the south—east corner. but those temperatures will drop once again under clear skies during wednesday night. the early hours of thursday, though, will bring outbreaks of rain in across the south west of england, wales, perhaps northern ireland, turning milder here by the end of the night. but where those clear skies hold on, yes, it will be rather chilly to start thursday. now, on thursday, we'll see this band of rain pushing its way north and eastwards. southern parts of england, wales, the midlands, northern ireland, seeing some of that wet weather. much of eastern england staying dry. much of northern england, too. and scotland should have a fine day with some spells of sunshine. temperatures north to south, ia to 19, maybe up to 20 degrees. now, some showery bits and pieces of rain may still be with us on friday, but increasingly things will be turning drier. there will be some spells of sunshine. those temperatures typically in the mid to high teens, the low 20s for some. and as we head into the weekend, what actually it looks as if high pressure is going to build across the uk and where we see high pressure, that tends to mean fine and settled weather. so, yes, as we move through the first few days of september, the weather is really going to be settling down. there will be some good spells of sunshine through the weekend. the vast majority will be dry and it's going to feel a little bit warmer as well. bye for now. good morning, welcome to breakfast with victoria valentine and jon kay. our headlines. a single piece of flight data is blamed for the disruption has left tens of thousands of passengers stranded. a police officer dies five days after being hit by a train while trying to help a distressed man on the tracks. good morning from the first carpet recycling factory in northampton. i explain why old carpets like those can be turned into plastic pellets here and made into other products instead of going into landfill. cruising through. a british clean sweep on day two at the us open with the six players in action all reaching the second round, including andy murray. good morning, it may be august but christmas decorations are out. i am at a garden centre in north yorkshire where we will find out why some businesses are tackling a slump in sales after a soggy summer. dose know in the forecast today but

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