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from hartsfield international airport in atlanta, that's what you're looking at. at the moment, former president is expected to land within the hour there with his team before we go further, we have a few details for you now. the next hour or so, the former president will likely be fingerprinted and of his mug shot taken at fulton countyjail in atlanta. his belly has been set at $200,000. he will return to atlanta at a later date to enter a plea in court. mr trump denies all 13 charges against him and include racketeering in become full statements and he says the charges are politically motivated. his former chief of staff and his former personal lawyer rudy giuliani have asked as well as other codefendants, this is his fourth criminal case, even as he remains the front runner for the 2024 nomination. let's go live to the outside of the fulton countyjail, what is been happening there? it county “ail, what is been happening there? , , , , there? it is interesting because we are all here — there? it is interesting because we are all here waiting _ there? it is interesting because we are all here waiting for— there? it is interesting because we are all here waiting for the - there? it is interesting because we are all here waiting for the former| are all here waiting for the former president to surrender here at the fulton countyjail which is behind me and the former president is running a bit late to come up to an hour and will be arriving shortly and on his social media account, be expected to check in around 730 and that will be in still couple of minutes or hours and you said it, this is what expecting once he enters, he will go through this gate here and once he enters the jail, there will be process including and measurements taken in momentous the, we do believe we'll have his mug shot taken and that will be the first time out of these four cases that he is facing a better mug shot will be taken. we are not confirming that yet but every single defendant this jail, which in those mug shots taken and they've been released publicly. after that, there is a $200,000 bond agreement that is been agreed already by the former president and he will be free to go with a $200,000 bond agreement that is been agreed already by the former president and he will be free to go there be some restrictions on his behaviour. to not be able to communicate with any of the codefendants expected witnesses in the case and some of the social media activity may be restricted and is prohibited from making these threatening comments towards others involved in this case and we believe he'll be on his way back to new jersey. he already has and we know that donald trump to mix the political with the trial dates that he has. he only has a 9pm local interview set up of newsmax, a conservative news channel here in the united states. once again, turning one of these legal appearances into a political appearance. appearances into a political appearance-— appearances into a political auearance. , , ., appearance. this is the fourth indictment — appearance. this is the fourth indictment of _ appearance. this is the fourth indictment of the _ appearance. this is the fourth indictment of the former - appearance. this is the fourth - indictment of the former president and you spoke of the few arraignments and how he going to be booked on these charges and with the atmosphere like in atlanta? idols? booked on these charges and with the atmosphere like in atlanta?— atmosphere like in atlanta? now that we are getting _ atmosphere like in atlanta? now that we are getting closer— atmosphere like in atlanta? now that we are getting closer to _ atmosphere like in atlanta? now that we are getting closer to the _ atmosphere like in atlanta? now that we are getting closer to the momentl we are getting closer to the moment that we believe donald trump will arrive, you can feel the buzz among the media. a big motorcade of police motorcycles that drove past a couple of times and security here is very tight and you understand the airspace above the jail is been restricted and will go into a full lockdown once donald trump arrives in this area is in lockdown and no one is allowed in or out. on the other side of the jail, one side on the right street side, there are dozens, maybe 40 or 50 protesters and many of them are donald trump supporters and some of them are donald trump critics and they have been braving the heat, were talking about mid 90s heading towards 100 fahrenheit. the atmosphere is not quite as active as we saw in dc, just given the weather and there's still of donald trump supporters admit that we have to this jail to show their support for the former president. show their support for the former resident. , ., ., president. outside of the fulton coun jail president. outside of the fulton county jail and _ president. outside of the fulton county jail and we're _ president. outside of the fulton county jail and we're expecting l president. outside of the fulton i county jail and we're expecting the former president to arrive there within the next hour and will be coming back to you over the course of the evening and let us speak now to the strategist frank for this story. and first of all, i want to get your take on what you think of this investment as we are awaiting the president to arrive in atlanta, former president. this is been on a state—wide basis rather than federal. state-wide basis rather than federal. ., ,., state-wide basis rather than federal. ., . , state-wide basis rather than federal. ., ., , , federal. there are so many people involved in — federal. there are so many people involved in this _ federal. there are so many people involved in this that _ federal. there are so many people involved in this that you've - federal. there are so many people j involved in this that you've already had the visuals in the mug shots. and itjust adds another level of challenge for the president, former president but he would rather be focusing on the next election, he is focused on the last election. republican voters, how are they reacting to the charges of this indictment? i’m reacting to the charges of this indictment?— indictment? i'm glad you said artisan indictment? i'm glad you said partisan consists _ indictment? i'm glad you said partisan consists of _ indictment? i'm glad you said partisan consists of very - indictment? i'm glad you said - partisan consists of very different reaction. after an independent or a democrat you believe that the is just one more example of illegal behaviour. if you're republican, three out of four republicans reject the accusations that are being addressed this evening and they reject the idea that donald trump is a criminal. and i'll give you one piece of polling data that is truly shocked me. 71% of republicans trust donald trump more than their own family to get an accurate and truthful information, more than the clergy, more than community leaders. donald trump is a level trust despite these indictments that is frankly unheard of in american politics. at least among his own party. politics. at least among his own -a . politics. at least among his own a a . ., ., politics. at least among his own -a . ., ., , politics. at least among his own party. the other front runners for the republican _ party. the other front runners for the republican nomination, - party. the other front runners forj the republican nomination, there party. the other front runners for - the republican nomination, there was a debate in milwaukee last night for the other candidates are on stage and was hosted by the fox news channel and the former president did come out and he did eventually come up come out and he did eventually come up on the debate stage and we will play a clip of what we heard from the former vice president when he was asked about his role injanuary six and what happens. live the american people deserve to know that the president asked me in his request that i reject or return votes unilaterally and its power that no vice president had ever exercised or taken, he asked me to put him of the constitution and i chose the constitution. we now have started to see the former vice president distanced himself, based on this question from donald trump and what we make, but you make of him saying that? mas and what we make, but you make of him saying that?— him saying that? was right in the centre of the _ him saying that? was right in the centre of the audience _ him saying that? was right in the centre of the audience and it - him saying that? was right in the centre of the audience and it wasj centre of the audience and it was remarkable to me that every time that an accusation was levelled against the former president, every single time, there were boos from all across the arena. but among active republicans, those people who attended a debate like this, donald trump still has considerable support. and he believed emphasised that it support. and he believed emphasised thatitis support. and he believed emphasised that it is as though it is two different americas among republicans, donald trump can do no wrong, he is trusted and they think is a victim and being prosecuted and persecuted among independents and democrats, can do no right in the belief he is engaged in political activity and among democrats, they want him to go to jail.— want him to go to “ail. looking at life want him to go to “ail. looking at the pictures _ want him to go to “ail. looking at life pictures at — want him to go to jail. looking at life pictures at the _ want him to go to jail. looking at life pictures at the international. life pictures at the international airport and we are waiting for the former president to be arriving shortly and is that why would you describe as we don't see more candidates on stage taking a bigger swing at the former president? yes. swing at the former president? yes, because he — swing at the former president? yes, because he still— swing at the former president? yes, because he still has _ swing at the former president? yes, because he still has a _ swing at the former president? is: because he still has a tremendously, to put this in historic terms, if donald trump loses the nomination, no front runner in modern times has ever dropped as far as donald trump would've dropped. the odds of him winning that nomination a very strong but the odds and actually winning the presidency, it is still possible but it will be an uphill battle. d0 possible but it will be an uphill battle. ,, ~ ., , possible but it will be an uphill battle. ~' . , ., battle. do you think any of the candidates _ battle. do you think any of the candidates actually _ battle. do you think any of the candidates actually had - battle. do you think any of the candidates actually had a - candidates actually had a breakthrough?— candidates actually had a breakthrou~h? _, ., , ., breakthrough? good question. nikki hale , breakthrough? good question. nikki haley. when — breakthrough? good question. nikki haley. when she _ breakthrough? good question. nikki haley, when she challenged - breakthrough? good question. nikki haley, when she challenged the - haley, when she challenged the former vice president, she challenged the outside candidate, she even mentioned margaret thatcher was appropriate to your audiences because she said that if you want to make a statement, as command, if you want to get things done, ask a woman. and she cited margaret thatcher for saying that and she was given more applause and more engagement and are more positive ones of the other candidates they think should be recorded as the winner of that debate. the real winner of that debate. the real winner was probably donald trump because no other candidate really laid a glove on him and the closer you get to the first primary vote in january, and if trump continues with this lead, it could be insurmountable. making the pitch to the former president, perhaps to share the ticket with them? for them, absolutely believe it. for the other candidates, i think they're simply afraid because this happened with ron when he criticised from supporters. the objective is to criticise the former president without turning off the tens of millions of people who still support him. it's very tempting to do, particularly in a debate but it will be necessary in the next debate in september will be even more crucial. because in the income if you do not trump down, there's no way you can win the election. [30 trump down, there's no way you can win the election.— win the election. do you think ou'll win the election. do you think you'll step — win the election. do you think you'll step onto _ win the election. do you think you'll step onto the _ win the election. do you think you'll step onto the debate i win the election. do you think- you'll step onto the debate stage? at this point, no and? chris christie, governor of newjersey is such a good debater that i could see him forcing trump into pressuring himself and that is something the president does not want to do. he has been very outspoken in his criticism of the president. always get the speak with you, thank you. as we are waiting for the former president to arrive in atlanta, he is going to be booked at the fulton county jail and let's take a look at what he is facing in georgia. 13 charges, including violating the states racketeering act by conspiring to change the outcome of the election, three counts of solicitation, a violation of oath, including one related to the january 2021 phone call with the secretary of state where mr trump asked him to unlawfully find votes and that is wasted on the phone call that many of you have heard in conspiracy to commit conspiracy to impersonate a public officer and commit perjury to direct forgery by creating a false document and making false statements and writings and filing false documents rather, the indictment alleges to persuade georgia to ignore lawful votes by duly elected officials. those of the charges that are being levied against the former president and that spring on a federal prosecutor who is a professor at the law school in los angeles. going to these charges, first of all, violating the racketeering act, this is very significant in this case, why is that? , significant in this case, why is that? y , significant in this case, why is that? y, that? very significant because the two of the prosecutor _ that? very significant because the two of the prosecutor can - that? very significant because the two of the prosecutor can use - that? very significant because the two of the prosecutor can use to l two of the prosecutor can use to bring in a lot of defendants and a lot of ways the crime is committed. what they're alleging is the criminal enterprise here in many different things were done to try and accomplish overturning the selection, whether it be the for collectors with a phone call that you mentioned to reference berger are trying to get people to lie about whether they were properly electors in the case, that can bring all that together in one big charge and put donald trump at that event. how unusual is it for them to use the statute?— how unusual is it for them to use the statute? , , ~ ., , , , the statute? this da has been using the statute? this da has been using the statute? this da has been using the statute and _ the statute? this da has been using the statute and some _ the statute? this da has been using the statute and some famous - the statute? this da has been using the statute and some famous cases| the statute and some famous cases involving education groups and others but the racketeering on the federal side is reserved for criminal organisations, things like the mafia. it has been used against governments, it has been used against law enforcement, but it is unusual. and they're much more aggressive in georgia under the state law of using the racketeering law than you would see generally across the nation. hahn law than you would see generally across the nation.— across the nation. how difficult would it be _ across the nation. how difficult would it be to _ across the nation. how difficult would it be to prove _ across the nation. how difficult would it be to prove that - across the nation. how difficult would it be to prove that the i would it be to prove that the president was at the head of is describing to be a criminal syndicate?— describing to be a criminal syndicate? describing to be a criminal s ndicate? , ., �* ., ., , ., syndicate? they don't have to prove that he is at — syndicate? they don't have to prove that he is at the _ syndicate? they don't have to prove that he is at the head _ syndicate? they don't have to prove that he is at the head of _ syndicate? they don't have to prove that he is at the head of it _ syndicate? they don't have to prove that he is at the head of it though . that he is at the head of it though he is mentioned as the number one defendant and it's not actually that far. the key to this case is what was trump's in ten. trump is argue that i wasjust was trump's in ten. trump is argue that i was just talking and it was really forcing anyone to do anything. everybody else was skimming around me but all i wanted was a fair count of the votes. if jurors were to believe that. was a fair count of the votes. if. jurors were to believe that. biting the prosecutor _ jurors were to believe that. biting the prosecutor is _ jurors were to believe that. biting the prosecutor is going _ jurors were to believe that. biting the prosecutor is going to - jurors were to believe that. biting the prosecutor is going to say i the prosecutor is going to say that's just not true and that she knew that he didn't have a lawful way of overturning the selection and so, he sent people out to try the unlawful way. so, he sent people out to try the unlawful way-— unlawful way. reminders of the ictures unlawful way. reminders of the pictures in _ unlawful way. reminders of the pictures in the _ unlawful way. reminders of the pictures in the airport _ unlawful way. reminders of the pictures in the airport in - unlawful way. reminders of the | pictures in the airport in atlanta were expecting the former president to arrive and he will be taken to the fulton county jail where she will be booked on these charges and three counts of solicitation in violation by public office and what is that pointing to?— violation by public office and what is that pointing to? pointing to try to net is that pointing to? pointing to try to get election — is that pointing to? pointing to try to get election workers _ is that pointing to? pointing to try to get election workers not - is that pointing to? pointing to try to get election workers not to i to get election workers not to do theirjobs and for example, go back and find 11,000 extra votes to support donald trump. it's pointing to trying to get people to sign off on electors type electing electors when they were not. trying to pressure and the election workers to say that donald trump had one. it is not necessarily that he is signing false documents but the people in this conspiracy are and he has the most to gain forward and he is pushing people to do so. bud most to gain forward and he is pushing people to do so. and that is wh there pushing people to do so. and that is why there were _ pushing people to do so. and that is why there were 19 _ pushing people to do so. and that is why there were 19 codefendants i why there were 19 codefendants listed in this indictment. also, making false statements and filing false documents and this is to persuade them to reject lawful votes cast by duly elected officials and this is a big part of the sprawling conspiracy that is been laid out. it is that is what you see some of those for collectors, included within the indictment because they are the direct evidence that they were asking and trying to get those false statements and people to pretend that they were the lawful electors even when they knew they were not and we have testimony now that they were hiding in rooms not letting people in an acting suspiciously in they knew that these are false statements. they did not truly represent the votes of georgia. what do you think of your purchase from the da and fulton county to try 19 codefendants and in the federal case brought by jack smith on a similar investigation, he decided to only name the former president. it decided to only name the former resident. , ., ., ., ., ,~' president. it is a monumentaltask, frankl , president. it is a monumentaltask, frankly. think _ president. it is a monumentaltask, frankly, think of _ president. it is a monumentaltask, frankly, think of the _ president. it is a monumentaltask, frankly, think of the logistics i president. it is a monumentaltask, frankly, think of the logistics of i frankly, think of the logistics of having 19 defendants plus lawyers in the courtroom. you may not be able to use your regular court rooms to do this in the have to co—ordinate everyone's schedules, even coordinating them to be brought in to be processed which is been quite an effort and you have discovery and this is logistically a huge challenge and it may come down that the evidence is very direct regarding all of them but the logistics are tough. i5 regarding all of them but the logistics are tough. is it regarding all of them but the logistics are tough.— regarding all of them but the logistics are tough. is it fair for the former— logistics are tough. is it fair for the former president's - logistics are tough. is it fair for the former president's legal i logistics are tough. is it fair for i the former president's legal team to say there's so much evidence involved in this case that we simply cannot have a speedy trial because we need the time to go through this evidence? i we need the time to go through this evidence? ., , we need the time to go through this evidence? ~' , . ., we need the time to go through this evidence? ~' , .. , , evidence? i think they can present wh it evidence? i think they can present why it would _ evidence? i think they can present why it would take _ evidence? i think they can present why it would take a _ evidence? i think they can present why it would take a long _ evidence? i think they can present why it would take a long time i evidence? i think they can present why it would take a long time and | why it would take a long time and the prosecutor has to respond and how they organise the evidence and should not take that long. i do believe thejudge will should not take that long. i do believe the judge will carefully take a look at it and notjust accept representation and we have too much work to do and frankly, donald trump is notjust facing the challenge of discovering this case, let's not forget he has four criminal cases and i'm not at all sure if the evidence as compiled in this case is greater than in some other cases. to this case is greater than in some other cases-— other cases. to give us a bigger icture is other cases. to give us a bigger picture is a _ other cases. to give us a bigger picture is a look _ other cases. to give us a bigger picture is a look at _ other cases. to give us a bigger picture is a look at the - other cases. to give us a bigger picture is a look at the images i other cases. to give us a biggerl picture is a look at the images of the airport and four indictments and trials and probably are missing is a formerfederal trials and probably are missing is a former federal prosecutor, trials and probably are missing is a formerfederal prosecutor, how difficult is that to organise? for difference difficult is that to organise? fr?" difference prosecutors and they will organise in the donald trump team, it seems very daunting, to be honest with you. and differences in the case and classified document case to itself, new york is quite different but the similarities between the dc, jack smith indictment case and the one in georgia and the big difference in where the biggest challenges and why donald trump brought in a new lawyer today is that he is now facing charges under state law and the one in dc is under federal law and their similarities but they are different. what federal law and their similarities but they are different. what makes them different? _ but they are different. what makes them different? under _ but they are different. what makes them different? under state i but they are different. what makes them different? under state law. them different? under state law which do not _ them different? under state law which do not forgive _ them different? under state law which do not forgive you're i them different? under state law which do not forgive you're to i them different? under state law| which do not forgive you're to be convicted, donald trump cannot pardon himself, even if you were elected as president, he could not throw out the district attorney in georgia. in georgia has its own case while recording racketeering —— regarding racketeering, the racketeering law is important because the same racketeering law that governs criminal charges actually has civil cases in that case law will apply as well. big undertaking and i understand why jack smith, special counsel did not bring the federal racketeering charge. bring the federal racketeering charae. ~ �* bring the federal racketeering charae. �* ., , charge. we're looking at these -ictures charge. we're looking at these pictures and — charge. we're looking at these pictures and waiting _ charge. we're looking at these pictures and waiting for - charge. we're looking at these pictures and waiting for the i charge. we're looking at these i pictures and waiting for the former president arrive in atlanta and probably be looking for if this case does go to trial in the coming months. , ., , ., ., months. the questions are right on the mark which _ months. the questions are right on the mark which is _ months. the questions are right on the mark which is which _ months. the questions are right on the mark which is which case i months. the questions are right on the mark which is which case it's i the mark which is which case it's going to go first and who are the lawyers and who was making the deals. we haven't talked about that we have 19 people who are charged with an indictment, some of them would rather be witnesses and defendants and we are going to wait and see how many people do stick by donald trump and we do know that already, for example in the classified documents case, you have somebody who originally provided false testimony and then decided they got a new lawyer who is not connected with donald trump and they want to be on the other side of the equation. what i'm looking for is what this is going to size up now that people know that they will have to come into a courtroom and face judgment. to come into a courtroom and face “udument. .. , , , ., judgment. predicates sure insight on this and thank— judgment. predicates sure insight on this and thank you _ judgment. predicates sure insight on this and thank you for _ judgment. predicates sure insight on this and thank you forjoining - judgment. predicates sure insight on this and thank you forjoining us i this and thank you forjoining us on bbc news. right next to looking at the images in the sky back to a reporter on the ground outside of fulton countyjail reporter on the ground outside of fulton county jail with the president is going to arrive at some point in the next hour and carl, but is the latest sapping there? but point in the next hour and carl, but is the latest sapping there?- is the latest sapping there? but we are seeinu is the latest sapping there? but we are seeing is _ is the latest sapping there? but we are seeing is in _ is the latest sapping there? but we are seeing is in the _ is the latest sapping there? but we are seeing is in the next _ is the latest sapping there? but we are seeing is in the next five i is the latest sapping there? but we are seeing is in the next five to i are seeing is in the next five to ten minutes, the former president is expected to land here at the atlanta airport were getting around 701 local time you can definitely feel, at least where we are on one side of the fulton countyjail, some of at least where we are on one side of the fulton county jail, some of that anticipation starting to build in multiple activity. the media toward her left and right end of the shoulder, a line of officersjust stepping out into the streets and security is ramping up as well. we understand that when donald trump does arrive, the gel were going into lockdown for extra security and the secret service will be recording donald trump of this entire visit and also the space will be restricted in plenty of security in place we are anticipating donald trumparrival here for his surrender in his fourth criminal case and we have been covering several of these criminal cases and the bbc senior reporter and we've covered several donald trump criminal cases and i know you've also been in new york and miami, what impressions have you gone through? this and miami, what impressions have you gone through?— gone through? this is my third indictment _ gone through? this is my third indictment that _ gone through? this is my third indictment that i've _ gone through? this is my third indictment that i've covered i gone through? this is my third l indictment that i've covered and what _ indictment that i've covered and what strikes me is different about this one _ what strikes me is different about this one is — what strikes me is different about this one is the sweeping nature of this one is the sweeping nature of this case, — this one is the sweeping nature of this case, not only donald trump at several— this case, not only donald trump at several co—conspirators who have worked _ several co—conspirators who have worked with them to overturn the rules— worked with them to overturn the rules of— worked with them to overturn the rules of the election and bind us, there _ rules of the election and bind us, there are — rules of the election and bind us, there are mugshots taken in the wake and and _ there are mugshots taken in the wake and and let— there are mugshots taken in the wake and and let them throw activity, donald — and and let them throw activity, donald trump himself. and and and let them throw activity, donald trump himself.- and and let them throw activity, donald trump himself. and this is for the statutes _ donald trump himself. and this is for the statutes that's _ donald trump himself. and this is for the statutes that's usually i donald trump himself. and this is | for the statutes that's usually used for the statutes that's usually used for criminal activity for gangs in the mafia. ,., ., , for criminal activity for gangs in the mafia. ., , , ., , the mafia. donald trump is allegedly in this case. — the mafia. donald trump is allegedly in this case, but _ the mafia. donald trump is allegedly in this case, but in _ the mafia. donald trump is allegedly in this case, but in the _ the mafia. donald trump is allegedly in this case, but in the ringleader- in this case, but in the ringleader of a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election and that is the key charge in this. and this is typically read served for vip defendants and working donald trump expect when he walks the doors of this jail? similar to things we are seeing and other— similar to things we are seeing and other appearances and he is getting a special— other appearances and he is getting a special treatment often times, he is being _ a special treatment often times, he is being escorted and very quickly try is being escorted and very quickly by secret— is being escorted and very quickly by secret service from his private plane _ by secret service from his private plane and — by secret service from his private plane and he is usually made into a separate _ plane and he is usually made into a separate room not near the general population— separate room not near the general population and is fingerprinted and as a side _ population and is fingerprinted and as a side taken, his name and usually— as a side taken, his name and usually whizzed right back by security— usually whizzed right back by security and this time might be different— security and this time might be different because unlike in other scenarios — different because unlike in other scenarios were donald trump is avoided — scenarios were donald trump is avoided taking a mug shot, this time we might— avoided taking a mug shot, this time we might see a mug shot in his defendants have been getting mugshots in this time, we may execute — mugshots in this time, we may execute an— mugshots in this time, we may execute an image of donald trump himself— execute an image of donald trump himself from within the jail. and himself from within the “ail. and that it's really i himself from within the “ail. and that it's really been i himself from within the jail. fific that it's really been striking to see. �* , that it's really been striking to see. ~ , , , ., , ., see. and bringing these mugshots and hotos to see. and bringing these mugshots and photos to people _ see. and bringing these mugshots and photos to people listen _ see. and bringing these mugshots and photos to people listen as _ see. and bringing these mugshots and photos to people listen as they - see. and bringing these mugshots and photos to people listen as they come l photos to people listen as they come up photos to people listen as they come up in the process has been even faster than what we were expecting but so far, every defendant that is come to the jail, we have seen a mug shot taken we do not have confirmation yet as to whether or not donald trump left his mug shot taken at every indication is from the sheriff of the county, they say they want to treat all of these defendants so he would treat anybody who walks through those doors. for that mug shot, this is highly anticipated, but to be the political of having that for a striking image, the very first mug ever of a president, former president. there will be two very — president, former president. there will be two very different _ will be two very different reactions. for democrats and detractors of president trump who have already made up their mind about his guilt or innocence. seeing about his guilt or innocence. seeing a mug shot will seem like vindication and they already believe he is guilty of these crimes are likely to see democrats using this in the next presidential election to attack donald trump aster in the next presidential election to attack donald trump— attack donald trump over these indictments. _ attack donald trump over these indictments. or— attack donald trump over these indictments. or for _ attack donald trump over these indictments. or for donald i attack donald trump over these i indictments. or for donald trump himself. — indictments. or for donald trump himself, having a mug shot taken of yourself— himself, having a mug shot taken of yourself is _ himself, having a mug shot taken of yourself is not generally considered a good _ yourself is not generally considered a good thing but we know that donald trump _ a good thing but we know that donald trump has _ a good thing but we know that donald trump has a boost in support from the republican base every time he aets the republican base every time he gets indicted, fund raising millions off of— gets indicted, fund raising millions off of these indictments and solidify— off of these indictments and solidify its standing in the republican field and what we could see them _ republican field and what we could see them doing is trying to make the most of— see them doing is trying to make the most of the — see them doing is trying to make the most of the situation and we could see him _ most of the situation and we could see him using this to say, whatever they've _ see him using this to say, whatever they've done to me. the system is rigged. _ they've done to me. the system is rigged. the — they've done to me. the system is rigged, the justice system is coming after me _ rigged, the justice system is coming after me and they'll come after you. we will— after me and they'll come after you. we will see — after me and they'll come after you. we will see him using it to portray himself— we will see him using it to portray himself as — we will see him using it to portray himself as a martyr to his supporters as he tries to return to the white — supporters as he tries to return to the white house next year.- the white house next year. we've already seen _ the white house next year. we've already seen an _ the white house next year. we've already seen an e-mail_ the white house next year. we've already seen an e-mail sent i the white house next year. we've already seen an e-mail sent out l the white house next year. we've | already seen an e-mail sent out by already seen an e—mail sent out by his campaign using today's appearance of the jealous to raise money for his campaign and legal fees as well. you know, they've been covering notjust the legal aspects of this case and is this particular gel behind us. the fulton county jail is notorious but if you find out in terms of research and with scores on here. bud out in terms of research and with scores on here.— scores on here. and we spoke a coule scores on here. and we spoke a couple minutes _ scores on here. and we spoke a couple minutes ago _ scores on here. and we spoke a couple minutes ago how - scores on here. and we spoke a couple minutes ago how trump| scores on here. and we spoke a i couple minutes ago how trump will be treated _ couple minutes ago how trump will be treated like _ couple minutes ago how trump will be treated like everyone else but at this facility, he will not be. here, the justice — this facility, he will not be. here, the justice department is actually investigating the conditions here and they're looking into reports that there are inhumane conditions and people are getting very sick and dying _ and people are getting very sick and dying here — and people are getting very sick and dying here. just recently, 19—year—old girl who was being extradited this facility. we know many _ extradited this facility. we know many defendants wait weeks, months, even in _ many defendants wait weeks, months, even in some _ many defendants wait weeks, months, even in some cases years to get out of the _ even in some cases years to get out of the liver— even in some cases years to get out of the liver trial here and posting bond _ of the liver trial here and posting bond like — of the liver trial here and posting bond like donald trump and his codefendants have been able to do it is sitting _ codefendants have been able to do it is sitting here waiting. and people in atlanta, — is sitting here waiting. and people in atlanta, criminal defence attorneys have used the situation to highlight _ attorneys have used the situation to highlight the conditions the normal people _ highlight the conditions the normal people have to face here, the dangerous and often deadly conditions.— dangerous and often deadly conditions. . ,': ., ., conditions. october 23 was a date bein: conditions. october 23 was a date being thrown _ conditions. october 23 was a date being thrown around. _ conditions. october 23 was a date being thrown around. but - conditions. october 23 was a date being thrown around. but we i conditions. october 23 was a date | being thrown around. but we know about that date so far is that one of the defendants in the case requested a speedy trial and we have confirmation that just requested a speedy trial and we have confirmation thatjust is trial will be tried in a speedy manner, tell us more about that in the significance. this is a racketeering case there is a in each _ this is a racketeering case there is a in each of— this is a racketeering case there is a in each of their own lawyer and are trying — a in each of their own lawyer and are trying to get the best deal possible. what we're seeing is people — possible. what we're seeing is people making different legal manoeuvres to pure themselves off of the main _ manoeuvres to pure themselves off of the main case and to try and say ok, do you— the main case and to try and say ok, do you want— the main case and to try and say ok, do you want to go to trial now and can we _ do you want to go to trial now and can we do— do you want to go to trial now and can we do this now and the prosecutor was a sure, if you want to. prosecutor was a sure, if you want to and _ prosecutor was a sure, if you want to and the — prosecutor was a sure, if you want to. and the tenor of the main case and to— to. and the tenor of the main case and to try— to. and the tenor of the main case and to try and say ok, do you want to go— and to try and say ok, do you want to go to _ and to try and say ok, do you want to go to trial— and to try and say ok, do you want to go to trial now and can we do this now— to go to trial now and can we do this now in _ to go to trial now and can we do this now in the present generalisation or, if you want to. and canada — generalisation or, if you want to. and canada said, he wants a fast trial who — and canada said, he wants a fast trial who he is entitled to do under georgia law was to move the date for his trial— georgia law was to move the date for his trial the _ georgia law was to move the date for his trial the judge has said sure, you might — his trial the judge has said sure, you might be able to have this, however. — you might be able to have this, however, that doesn't necessarily apply— however, that doesn't necessarily apply to _ however, that doesn't necessarily apply to donald trump and it doesn't necessarily— apply to donald trump and it doesn't necessarily apply to people like rudy _ necessarily apply to people like rudy giuliani the other high profile people _ rudy giuliani the other high profile people we are seeing in his lawyers file motions in the prosecution pushes — file motions in the prosecution pushes back in the judge makes decisions — pushes back in the judge makes decisions over the next weeks and months. _ decisions over the next weeks and months, we'll have the time i'm changing — months, we'll have the time i'm chanauin. ~ �* months, we'll have the time i'm chanuuin.~ �* , ., ., months, we'll have the time i'm chanauin. �* , ., ., , months, we'll have the time i'm chanauin. �* , . . changing. we'll see what that is for “ust this changing. we'll see what that is for just this one _ changing. we'll see what that is for just this one defendant _ changing. we'll see what that is for just this one defendant we - changing. we'll see what that is for just this one defendant we have i changing. we'll see what that is for just this one defendant we have 15| just this one defendant we have 15 seconds but if you want to come appear come i want to show you we are seeing the line—up of media here and everyone is moving towards the barrier and we are expecting the arrival of donald trump and we will send it back to you.— send it back to you. welcome to our onauoin send it back to you. welcome to our ongoing coverage — send it back to you. welcome to our ongoing coverage of _ send it back to you. welcome to our ongoing coverage of the surrender l send it back to you. welcome to our| ongoing coverage of the surrender to we are waiting for donald trump's plane to land any minute now. before that, let's look at details and will happen, in the next hour the former president will likely be fingerprinted and have his mug shot taken at faulty county jail —— fulton countyjail. his bail has been set at $200,000. you will return to atlanta and a later date to enter a plea in court. that he will return to atlanta. mrtrump court. that he will return to atlanta. mr trump denies all 13 counts against him, including racketeering and making false statements. he says these charges are politically motivated. now his former chief of staff and former personal lawyer have already surrendered, as have other codefendants. this is mr trump is my fourth criminal case, even as he remains the republican party's front runner for the 2024 nomination. let's

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