spain here on sunday in the final. that's because they managed to beat sweden in new zealand in auckland yesterday. captain olga carmona scored in a dramatic 89th minute winner to spark scenes of celebration at eden park. we already knew there would be a new winner's name on the trophy here this week. just two more matches to win, and that name will be england. dan roan in s dne . before we get the weather forecast, two american tourists, who'd spent as newsnight reveals payments were made to her company for appearances in connection with her late father's charity — a deal the charity is now investigating. while hannah ingram—moore was the salaried interim ceo of the captain tom foundation, her family company was paid to judge awards connected to the foundation itself. also tonight. two years ago the taliban swept to power again in afghanistan after the chaotic withdrawal by the us. we speak to two women who fled the country to ask what can be done to help the women left behind. we have an update on a newsnight invesigation after six former metropolitcan police officers are charged after sending racsit messages on whatsapp. and.... you will not make a laughing stock of my family, or as quick as boiled asparagus, i'll have you out! out! i, claudius meets i—player as the bbc starts repeating this classic series. but will its sex and lies on videotape satisfy a modern audience? one of its stars, brian blessed, is here to celebrate it. and we won't be letting brian go without him giving a roaring endorsement of the lionesses before their semi—final match against australia tomorrow. stay tuned. good evening. newsnight can reveal that payments made to the daughter of captain tom, the late sir thomas moore, a hero in the pandemic who raised more than £40 million for charity, are being investigated by the captain tom foundation. it relates to hannah ingram—moore's time when she was interim ceo of the foundation in 2021—2022, when her family's company maytrix group was paid thousands of pounds in return for her appearances as judge of the "virgin media 02, captain tom foundation connector awards." newsnight understands that ms ingram—moore did not formally notify or seek appropriate approvals from the board of trustees prior to entering the commerical arrangement. this is not the first time since her father's death that ms ingram—moore has been embroiled in controversy, and the charities commision is already investigating potential conflicts of interest. here'sjoe. he was the international fundraising hero who provided hope at the height of the pandemic. captain tom moore raised more than £32 million for the nhs. # happy birthday, captain tom, daddy, grandpa...#. he turned 100 during lockdown, was knighted for his efforts, and by his side throughout, his daughter, hannah ingram moore. you can't start halfway. you start at the beginning. but she is now facing serious questions after bbc newsnight uncovered evidence that a family company received money for her appearances in connection with the charity. i'm delighted to be here at ashton vale club for young people to give them the third virgin media 02 captain tom foundation connector award. in 2021 and 2022, hannah ingram—moore helped judge a scheme to reward community projects. the name of the awards included the name of the charity, the captain tom foundation. the charity's logo appeared on the plaques. the legacy that my father has left not only this country but the world... hannah ingram—moore gave every appearance that she was representing the charity. at the time, she was its interim chief executive on a salary of £85,000. and a gold blue peter badge. and yet her significant appearance fee was paid not to the captain tom foundation, but to maytrix group, a company owned by hannah ingram— moore and her husband colin. bbc newsnight understands mrs ingram—moore has been under investigation by her late father's own charity for nine months, as she did not seek the board's approval before entering into that commercial arrangement with virgin media 02. a spokesperson for the trustees said, "this matter is subject of an ongoing internal investigation. the charity commission has been notified of the foundation's review of this matter, and the foundation will share its findings once the investigation has concluded." some with experience of small charities are concerned how this could affect them. i think it potentially has a huge impact for small charities because we're at a time where so many people are facing so many pressures on their finances, that choosing to give to a charity is a choice that can be hard for a lot of people at the moment. and if they don't do that because they don't have trust in where their money might end up, i think it's going to cause huge problems for those small charities who are the lifeblood of communities right across the country. virgin media 02 have confirmed the payment, but not the amount, they said in a statement, "when payment was made, we were not aware of any concerns about maytrix or the captain tom foundation that have since come to light after our campaign and relationship with captain tom finished." we asked hannah ingram—moore to respond to these allegations. she emailed, "you are awful. it's a total lie." six minutes later, she added, "apologies, that reply was for a scammer who has been creating havoc." she has not answered any of our questions about the thousands of pounds her company received. meanwhile, the charity commission has been investigating potential conflicts of interest between the captain tom foundation and the ingram—moores�* companies for more than a year. hannah ingram—moore is no longer running the charity, but her husband colin is one of its three trustees and the charity commission has been investigating for more than a year whether those trustees have adequately managed conflicts of interest, including with private companies connected to the ingram—moore family. meanwhile, hannah and colin ingram—moore own consultancy company maytrix, which received the payment from virgin media 02. they also own club nook, the company which controversially registered the trademarks to captain tom, something the charity commission is also investigating. separately, the couple are fighting a demolition order after building an unauthorized home spa complex at their bedfordshire home. their initial plans had been for a captain tom foundation building, but the independent trustees have since said they had no knowledge of the charity's name being used in the planning application. this house was the setting for a remarkable charitable effort which captured the world's imagination. but now it's the focus of a series of questions about whether hannah ingram—moore and her husband benefited from what appeared to be charitable activity. the tens of millions of pounds captain tom raised for the nhs are not part of any investigation, but his legacy could now be tarnished by the actions of his daughter. and joe's here now. do we have any idea of how much money is involved — and how many appearances she made? in terms of the number of appearances i think it is for appearances i think it is for appearances and in terms of the money we just appearances and in terms of the money wejust do appearances and in terms of the money we just do not know at least not yet aside from the fact that it is in the thousands. we should point out that virgin media 02 are a significant companies are probably more than 2000 3000. but they had not told us, virgin media 02, and hannah ingram—moore has not told us and the trustees have not told us yet although they have said that they will publish the results of the investigation into that payment. and the charity commission which has the wider statutory inquiry into concerns about the charity are keeping quiet until the results of that. the ceo of the charity commission has said that this is about trust in small charities at a time when household budgets are small and there is this cost—of—living crisis so it'll be interesting when the report comes out probably in coming months. thank ou. and now sima has an update on another newsnight investigation — this one involving allegations of criminality. today six former metropolitan police officers were charged with sending racist messages on a whatsapp group. this programme uncovered dozens of messages by a member of the group chat last year. the coverage led to the met�*s directorate of professional standards launching an investigation. sima, tell us more. last october the us may remember we carried out an investigation into whatsapp group. some of the messages in that chat included strong racial slurs and others referenced government policy of deporting migrants to rwanda. the duke and duchess of sussex appeared in several images alongside racist language. somejoked about several images alongside racist language. some joked about the flooding that hit pakistan last year killing almost 1700 people. following that investigation, today we hadn't six men have been charged under the communications act of 2003. they re former metropolitan police officers . upon their arrival the taliban moved quickly to sweep away cultural change which happened since the 2001 invasion. women were removed from public spaces. girls high schools stood empty of students with education forbidden for teenage girls aged 11 and above. women were barred from universities. women are now unable to comfortably leave their homes without a male guardian as they could face being questioned by the taliban. they could not use public baths. in recent months, even women's hair salons have been shut down by the taliban. we met two sisters online to hear first—hand how it now feels to be a woman in afghanistan. one of the two had a masters degree but was made to quit herjob and the other, who is 16, hasn't been to school for two years. translation: it's very difficult to leave home- _ translation: it's very difficult to leave home. in _ translation: it's very difficult to leave home. in the _ translation: it's very difficult to leave home. in the past _ translation: it's very difficult to leave home. in the past we - translation: it's very difficult to leave home. in the past we couldl leave home. in the past we could meet our friends but now you don't want to leave home as the outside world as a hostile environment. with a university degree i am sitting at home doing nothing. i a university degree i am sitting at home doing nothing.— a university degree i am sitting at home doing nothing. i cannot go to school. i home doing nothing. i cannot go to school- i am _ home doing nothing. i cannot go to school. i am bored. _ home doing nothing. i cannot go to school. lam bored. i— home doing nothing. i cannot go to school. i am bored. i had _ home doing nothing. i cannot go to school. i am bored. i had the - home doing nothing. i cannot go to| school. i am bored. i had the dream school. lam bored. i had the dream of becoming — school. lam bored. i had the dream of becoming a journalist just like you _ of becoming a journalist just like you i_ of becoming a journalist just like you i was — of becoming a journalist just like you. i was studying very hard and i was learning — you. i was studying very hard and i was learning english to get a scholarship to study in the west but in the _ scholarship to study in the west but in the past — scholarship to study in the west but in the past few years i am stuck at home _ in the past few years i am stuck at home i_ in the past few years i am stuck at home i am — in the past few years i am stuck at home. lam bored. itry in the past few years i am stuck at home. i am bored. i try to study myself— home. i am bored. i try to study noyself but — home. i am bored. i try to study myself but it's not as good. my brother— myself but it's not as good. my brother goes to school and i envy him _ brother goes to school and i envy him. what's the difference between me and _ him. what's the difference between me and him? our dreams were shattereu _ me and him? our dreams were shattered-— me and him? our dreams were shattered. ~ ., �* ., shattered. last week gordon brown former british _ shattered. last week gordon brown former british prime _ shattered. last week gordon brown former british prime minister - shattered. last week gordon brown former british prime minister and i former british prime minister and the un special envoy for global education spoke out about the taliban's treatment of women and girls. taliban's treatment of women and uirls. , ,. ., ., , ., girls. gender discrimination is a crime against — girls. gender discrimination is a crime against humanity. - crime against humanity. translation: mil crime against humanity. translation: �* ., ., ., translation: all mouth and no action. a listener expressed his criticism of the un, the international community, and mr brown. translation: we community, and mr brown. translation:— community, and mr brown. translation: ~ ., ., ., community, and mr brown. translation: ., ., ., ., translation: we have no food to eat, no clean water. — translation: we have no food to eat, no clean water, no _ translation: we have no food to eat, no clean water, no jobs. _ translation: we have no food to eat, no clean water, no jobs. with _ translation: we have no food to eat, no clean water, no jobs. with the - no clean water, no “obs. with the caller no clean water, no “obs. with the miter saw. h no clean water, no “obs. with the caller said. a _ no clean water, no jobs. with the caller said. a recent _ no clean water, no jobs. with the caller said. a recent report - no clean water, no jobs. with the caller said. a recent report from | caller said. a recent report from the united nations says the country is facing an unparalleled crisis. it finds 24.4 million people require humanitarian aid and over 90% of the population are living in poverty. translation: i population are living in poverty. translation:— population are living in poverty. translation: i work as a doctor attendin: translation: i work as a doctor attending to _ translation: i work as a doctor attending to numerous _ translation: i work as a doctor attending to numerous patients l translation: i work as a doctor- attending to numerous patients daily who exhibit unusual symptoms. sadly they are all grappling with malnutrition and when i prescribe medications to then they expressed their inability to afford them. the situation is heart wrenching particularly because women lack access to essential health care services. the tella band's prohibition on male doctors visiting female patients has exacerbated the issue. unfortunately the number of female doctors plummeted. a pregnant woman lost her life while delivering twins recently because there were no specialists available to assist. both infants also perished. my days are filled with attending to multiple patients however i don't feel secure staying out late in the evening to treat them all. there is a constant fear of being apprehended by the taliban who stop and question women seen walking the streets without male companions. those breaking the taliban rules face punishment. the taliban has also taken a hard line on homosexuality. translation: i taken a hard line on homosexuality. translation:— translation: i live on the top of a hill. i fled translation: i live on the top of a mu. i fled tone — translation: i live on the top of a hill. i fled tone because _ translation: i live on the top of a hill. i fled tone because the - hill. i fled tone because the taliban wanted to arrest me. they arrested my friends because they had long hair. we had a better life before. we used to meet openly in cafe is. we used to dance. but we lost our lives and we are waiting to be caught by them. —— openly in cafes. and i. we be caught by them. -- openly in cafes- and l— cafes. and i. we put these allegations _ cafes. and i. we put these allegations to _ cafes. and i. we put these allegations to the - cafes. and i. we put these allegations to the head - cafes. and i. we put these allegations to the head of| cafes. and i. we put these i allegations to the head of the taliban in doha. he is also one of their spokespeople. we don't deny women access to education. we want to put it in our islamic environment. in light of our islamic values. we are resolving our issues. it depends on what our rules say. also we resolve issues in light of our national interest and national values. they sing. covering theirfaces, these two women are doing something prohibited to them, singing a song. of the melody they sing is a classic tune. yourfight is beautiful because you are a woman, they say. our home is being ruined but you will own it one day. yasminara khan there and the producers were ali hamedani and sowda ali. and nowjoining us in the studio is shabnam nasimi, a former uk policy advisor on afghan resettlement and nilofar sakhi, professorial lecturer in international affairs at george washington university in dc. i would like to ask you both the same thing. shabnam, what does this day mean for you and also for your family in afghanistan? this day mean for you and also for your family in afghanistan?— family in afghanistan? this is one ofthe family in afghanistan? this is one of the darkest _ family in afghanistan? this is one of the darkest days _ family in afghanistan? this is one of the darkest days for _ family in afghanistan? this is one of the darkest days for 40 - family in afghanistan? this is one of the darkest days for 40 million j of the darkest days for 40 million people across afghanistan but also those in exile. it hits especially close to home for me because i have family in kabul, and ifirst—hand hear the pain of the withdrawal and also the consequences it has had on their lives. ., ., .. ., their lives. food, education, i mean, their lives. food, education, i mean. what's _ their lives. food, education, i mean, what's actually - their lives. food, education, i. mean, what's actually happening within the houses of your family? the girls are banned from going to school. i think that has been for some time. without any international backlash. the female members of my family cannot go to university. my aunts are unable to go to work. most recently we've now heard that in some provinces women have been told that they can only teach or go to school up until third grade. i will school up until third grade. i will come back— school up until third grade. i will come back to — school up until third grade. i will come back to you _ school up until third grade. i will come back to you on _ school up until third grade. i will come back to you on that - school up until third grade. i will come back to you on that point about no international outcry but first of all, nilofar, you left in 2014 when the taliban wasn't in power but you have family there. what are the consequences of the taliban for them? i consequences of the taliban for them? . . , ., . ., them? i am at george washington university- — them? i am at george washington university- the — them? i am at george washington university. the consequences - them? i am at george washington| university. the consequences have been _ university. the consequences have been immense. the taliban takeover is considered a tragedy for the progressive and education sector of society _ progressive and education sector of society it _ progressive and education sector of society. it is considered a dark regime — society. it is considered a dark regime for— society. it is considered a dark regime for women and girls. whoever i talk regime for women and girls. whoever itaik to— regime for women and girls. whoever itaik to in— regime for women and girls. whoever i talk to in afghanistan, i have my students — i talk to in afghanistan, i have my students over there, my former colleagues, my extended family members. they are psychologically impacted _ members. they are psychologically impacted by the taliban takeover. day by— impacted by the taliban takeover. day by day this pressure is suffocating them and most of them are leaving the countryjust because they dont— are leaving the countryjust because they don't see a future for their families — they don't see a future for their families. especially the women and girls _ families. especially the women and girls that— families. especially the women and girls. that site of society has completely collapsed since the taliban — completely collapsed since the taliban takeover. —— that side. would — taliban takeover. —— that side. would you _ taliban takeover. —— that side. would you agree with shabnam that there wasn't an international outcry when education was withdrawn and basically women and girls were disappeared from the streets and public life? {iii disappeared from the streets and ublic life? _, , disappeared from the streets and ublic life? . ., , ., public life? of course, i agree with shabnam. there _ public life? of course, i agree with shabnam. there is _ public life? of course, i agree with shabnam. there is no _ public life? of course, i agree with shabnam. there is no public - public life? of course, i agree with shabnam. there is no public life i public life? of course, i agree with | shabnam. there is no public life for women _ shabnam. there is no public life for women and — shabnam. there is no public life for women and girls. they have erased from _ women and girls. they have erased from public— women and girls. they have erased from public life in general. they aren't— from public life in general. they aren't free — from public life in general. they aren't free to move alone. they have restriction _ aren't free to move alone. they have restriction on — aren't free to move alone. they have restriction on freedom of movement, on participating in any public spaces. _ on participating in any public spaces, restriction on going to the public— spaces, restriction on going to the public places. a public bath used to be considered as a place for women to go— be considered as a place for women to go and _ be considered as a place for women to go and mingle and that was kind of a gathering of women informally in those _ of a gathering of women informally in those places. those are closed. the iibraries— in those places. those are closed. the libraries for women, gyms, fitness — the libraries for women, gyms, fitness centres for women, they were all ctosed~ _ fitness centres for women, they were all closed. �* ., fitness centres for women, they were all closed. . ., ., ., , all closed. afghan women have 'ust taken art all closed. afghan women have 'ust taken part in — all closed. afghan women have 'ust taken part in the international h taken part in the international cycle races. afghan women all over the world want to contribute. we understand that. you said you feel the west has failed afghanistan. in what way in particular? timer;r the west has failed afghanistan. in what way in particular?— what way in particular? they have failed the people _ what way in particular? they have failed the people of— what way in particular? they have failed the people of afghanistan. | failed the people of afghanistan. this is a shameful withdrawal. chaotic. within weeks and days the international community decided it had given up on the 20 year investment it had made into the country. what we've seen now is there is a narrative going around, around recognition, and the only way we can affect the taliban's agenda in afghanistan and demand them to reform is if we engage with them. in my opinion that is a copout. hat reform is if we engage with them. in my opinion that is a copout. met a my opinion that is a copout. not a sinale my opinion that is a copout. not a single country _ my opinion that is a copout. not a single country in _ my opinion that is a copout. not a single country in the _ my opinion that is a copout. not a single country in the world - my opinion that is a copout. not a single country in the world has - single country in the world has engaged with the taliban government but is there not an argument to say that do engage because if you do there is the possibility that there will be some influence, you don't agree with that? the will be some influence, you don't agree with that?— will be some influence, you don't agree with that? the message the west is sending _ agree with that? the message the west is sending when _ agree with that? the message the west is sending when we - agree with that? the message the west is sending when we are - agree with that? the message the l west is sending when we are talking about recognition is that it is ok to treat your population, your people through violence, force, fear, and terror. but people through violence, force, fear, and terror.— fear, and terror. but nilofar if there isn't _ fear, and terror. but nilofar if there isn't any _ fear, and terror. but nilofar if there isn't any outside - fear, and terror. but nilofar if- there isn't any outside engagement at all than the taliban closes in on itself even more and the country becomes even more closed. is that a good thing?— good thing? there has been engagement- _ good thing? there has been engagement. who - good thing? there has been engagement. who says - good thing? there has been. engagement. who says there good thing? there has been - engagement. who says there hasn't been? _ engagement. who says there hasn't been? there has been high—level engagement from the west and the regional— engagement from the west and the regional countries on every issue from _ regional countries on every issue from medicine and tonga in islamic countries _ from medicine and tonga in islamic countries have pressured the taliban and have _ countries have pressured the taliban and have been engaged with them so far. and have been engaged with them so far for— and have been engaged with them so far for me _ and have been engaged with them so far. for me the question is why all of those _ far. for me the question is why all of those engagements didn't produce any concrete results? why we don't see a _ any concrete results? why we don't see a reform on the taliban. for me, that engagement didn't work. that engagement was the wrong way because taliban— engagement was the wrong way because taliban considered themselves a party— taliban considered themselves a party in — taliban considered themselves a party in the war on terror. they will negotiate from a position of power — will negotiate from a position of power. they won't compromise their demands _ power. they won't compromise their demands. we have seen from the last two years— demands. we have seen from the last two years that they haven't been compromising any of their demands so far. compromising any of their demands so far for— compromising any of their demands so far for me. _ compromising any of their demands so far. for me, that engagement has proven— far. for me, that engagement has proven to — far. for me, that engagement has proven to be unsuccessful. there should _ proven to be unsuccessful. there should be — proven to be unsuccessful. there should be an alternative path. what is the alternate _ should be an alternative path. what is the alternate of _ should be an alternative path. what is the alternate of path? _ should be an alternative path. what is the alternate of path? to - should be an alternative path. what is the alternate of path? to stand . is the alternate of path? to stand side by side _ is the alternate of path? to stand side by side with _ is the alternate of path? to stand side by side with the _ is the alternate of path? to stand side by side with the women - is the alternate of path? to stand side by side with the women of. side by side with the women of afghanistan and the people who want an alternative change. we've seen another narrative come from our democratic opposition. that's a conversation we need to have. and what role the west will have to ensure those voices are heard globally because at the end of the day it is a decision of the people of afghanistan and their future and let's not make the same mistakes we've made over the last 20 years. you would say we have a responsibility, you are a founder of conservative friends for afghanistan. even just this week six afghans died in small boat crossings. it is our level of engagement the right one from this country's point of view, are we doing enough for afghans trying to get here? it is doing enough for afghans trying to net here? , , ., doing enough for afghans trying to net here? , , . ., , get here? it is shameful that six --eole get here? it is shameful that six people died- _ get here? it is shameful that six people died. the _ get here? it is shameful that six people died. the majority - get here? it is shameful that six people died. the majority of - get here? it is shameful that six i people died. the majority of those who crossed were afghan men and children. i worked on some schemes as policy adviser but they aren't fit for purpose. it might be controversial to say that afghans cannot register for these schemes on the ground. it isn't practical for those who are in hiding, those who are trying to register or make themselves known to ngos who don't operate inside the country any more, it doesn't make any sense. i'm constantly in touch with afghans on the ground and in neighbouring countries who are asking how to flee, how to apply for these there is no way. flee, how to apply for these there is no wa . ., ., flee, how to apply for these there isnowa. ., , is no way. you were a policy adviser- _ is no way. you were a policy adviser. were _ is no way. you were a policy adviser. were you _ is no way. you were a policy adviser. were you not - is no way. you were a policy i adviser. were you not listened is no way. you were a policy - adviser. were you not listened to? unfortunately the system being administered was a template of the syrian scheme and others and they don't apply to afghanistan. the geopolitical security element of afghanistan wasn't taken into account. ., ., ., ., afghanistan wasn't taken into account. .,. ., ., account. nilofar, what do you say to that, about — account. nilofar, what do you say to that, about the _ account. nilofar, what do you say to that, about the idea _ account. nilofar, what do you say to that, about the idea that _ account. nilofar, what do you say to that, about the idea that it - account. nilofar, what do you say to that, about the idea that it isn't - that, about the idea that it isn't fit for purpose? we had a welcome programme in the country. you know more about the american system. that we are actually still failing afghan people who want to leave the country. people who want to leave the count . , ., , , people who want to leave the count . , ., , country. yes, actually there is a hith country. yes, actually there is a high level _ country. yes, actually there is a high level of— country. yes, actually there is a high level of bureaucracy. - country. yes, actually there is a high level of bureaucracy. let's| high level of bureaucracy. let's point _ high level of bureaucracy. let's point that— high level of bureaucracy. let's point that out. i'm in contact with all of— point that out. i'm in contact with all of those — point that out. i'm in contact with all of those who are still in afghanistan. even some of my students — afghanistan. even some of my students who are stuck in the capital— students who are stuck in the capital and they are waiting to come out. capital and they are waiting to come out many— capital and they are waiting to come out. many in pakistan have serious issues _ out. many in pakistan have serious issues. there are lots of restrictions on afghans in islam and in other— restrictions on afghans in islam and in other places in pakistan. they have _ in other places in pakistan. they have to — in other places in pakistan. they have to apply for pakistan visas. that _ have to apply for pakistan visas. that costs — have to apply for pakistan visas. that costs them a lot. and all other crises _ that costs them a lot. and all other crises they— that costs them a lot. and all other crises they are facing in that country— crises they are facing in that country due to the delay and whatever the processes are. unfortunately the entire process seems _ unfortunately the entire process seems to— unfortunately the entire process seems to be extremely slow and bureaucratic and without considering the needs— bureaucratic and without considering the needs of the population who are under— the needs of the population who are under crisis — the needs of the population who are under crisis right now. there is a lot of— under crisis right now. there is a lot of noise, _ under crisis right now. there is a lot of noise, by the way, in this regard — lot of noise, by the way, in this regard coming out from all of these places _ regard coming out from all of these places. coming from albania, doha, istamabad. — places. coming from albania, doha, islamabad, afghanistan. there are peopie _ islamabad, afghanistan. there are people who are talking on social media _ people who are talking on social media about their cases that have been _ media about their cases that have been pending for the last two years. not enough attention has been paid to them _ not enough attention has been paid to them. how do you change it quickly? — to them. how do you change it quickly? by to them. how do you change it tuickl ? �* , , ., to them. how do you change it utickl? , ., , , to them. how do you change it tuickl? , ., , , quickly? by listening to experts in this field like — quickly? by listening to experts in this field like myself. _ quickly? by listening to experts in this field like myself. like - this field like myself. like nilofar. those who are in contact with those who need to be evacuated and resettled on the ground and understand how we can tailor this programme to actually be able to evacuate those truly in need. coal. evacuate those truly in need. cool, our final evacuate those truly in need. cool, your final word? _ evacuate those truly in need. cool, your final word? there _ evacuate those truly in need. cool, your final word? there should - evacuate those truly in need. cool, your final word? there should be i your finalword? there should be toli your finalword? there should be policy change- — your finalword? there should be policy change. there _ your finalword? there should be policy change. there should - your finalword? there should be policy change. there should be i your final word? there should be - policy change. there should be more recruitment— policy change. there should be more recruitment at the organisations or immigration system is dealing with that because some stuff seems to be logistics _ that because some stuff seems to be logistics it— that because some stuff seems to be logistics. it seems to be there are pending _ logistics. it seems to be there are pending because of the administrative purposes. ithink there _ administrative purposes. ithink there should be more recruitment of staff _ there should be more recruitment of staff i_ there should be more recruitment of staff. i think there should be more push _ staff. i think there should be more push to— staff. i think there should be more push to the — staff. i think there should be more push to the policies and the capital is dealing — push to the policies and the capital is dealing with this in order to speed — is dealing with this in order to speed up— is dealing with this in order to speed up the processes. and all other— speed up the processes. and all other issues which have been... there _ other issues which have been... there should be changes in the process— there should be changes in the process is— there should be changes in the process is to speed things up. what do our process is to speed things up. what do your family _ process is to speed things up. what do your family in — process is to speed things up. twist do your family in afghanistan process is to speed things up. “iii"isgt do your family in afghanistan say? my do your family in afghanistan say? my cousin has asked for a laptop. she wants money to buy a laptop so she has the tools to be able to learn at home. just like the way i am doing for my family, just goes to show that if many international organisations did the same for every girl inside the country and provided them the resources and tools there is an opportunity for them to at least be self—taught and learn at home until reform is made by the taliban more long—term. home until reform is made by the taliban more long-term.- home until reform is made by the taliban more long-term. thank you both very much _ taliban more long-term. thank you both very much indeed. _ long before there was i—player there was i, claudius. from tomorrow, the two will meet as bbc four begins a repeat showing of the classic drama series first aired in 1976. ranked highly in polls of the best tv dramas of all time, it was told from the confines of a bbc television studio, adorned with lavish sets and a stellar cast, many of whom had been sitting in make—up since the early hours to make them look older. one of those actors, brian blessed, is here to regale us. first, here's what the fuss was about — with one or two spoilers and lashings of fake blood. this episode entitled reign of terror, deals graphically with a violent and bloody period in a tumultuous reign, and scenes towards the end of the episode, frankly, depict the murderous mayhem of the time. forget succession. i don't like it. you understand ? forget the sopranos. forget dynasty. i, claudius tells the history of the roman empire and is as bloodthirsty and dangerous a setting as has ever been created for the small screen. think the mafia in togas. i could kill you now. this was the bbc“s hugely successful effort to bring to life the novel by robert graves, in 1976, ancient rome visited shepherd's bush as an impressive cast, layered on the latex at the bbc“s television centre. you wouldn't be emperor if it weren't for me. a caesar salad of power, ambition, murder, and sex. told across decades, viewers were gripped by what in many respects was a feuding family soap opera. first of all, an emperor, i can't even rule my own family. let me go. your fat, drunken cow. plots were hatched. i want a catalogue of my daughter in law“s activities. food was poisoned. don“t touch the fig. and backs were stabbed as well as fronts. tiberius claudius. and telling the story in flashback was claudius with his limp and his stammer. i'm better when i'm rehearsed. if that head of yours doesn't stop twitching. i'll have it off! branded a half wit hhe was, in fact, the ultimate survivor, the ultimate politician ducking and diving as his relatives schemed and overlooked him. this is not a comedy theatre. do you want to live a long and useful life? in that case, exaggerate your stutter and your limp. but you are not such a fool. wine has made you bold, isn't it? you said you kept in with caligula because he was to be the next emperor. butf by then you're dead, what difference can it make to you? it took a while to win over the critics, but i, claudius was an instant hit with audiences. the series was enriched by numerous memorable scenes, many laced with dark comedy. married three times already. how many more marriages do you want? that's not my fault. i was widowed twice. how woman can get us a widow twice is beyond me. and it produced this unforgettable moment when brian blessed as augustus meets his end. director herbie wise told blessed he wanted to see rome die on his face and kept the camera on him unblinking for several minutes. i'm finished. tomorrow, bbc4 will put the machinations of ancient rome on screen again. but can it grab a new audience? when compared with modern tv dramas, will it fall like the roman empire? or, like claudius himself, outlive them all? long live the emperor! well, i“mjoined now by augustus himself, the actor brian blessed. thank you forjoining us. you did not think you were going to get a part in i, claudius? i not think you were going to get a part in i, claudius?— part in i, claudius? i was not the first choice- _ part in i, claudius? i was not the first choice. yes _ part in i, claudius? i was not the first choice. yes before - part in i, claudius? i was not the first choice. yes before i - part in i, claudius? i was not the first choice. yes before i was - part in i, claudius? i was not the first choice. yes before i was in i part in i, claudius? i was not the| first choice. yes before i was in z cars and i was late for a rehearsal and he went off his head! he hated me after that or i thought he did. so after they said to me they are doing i, claudius and herbie weiss is directing and wants you to be a bus to caesar. i thought this was a big joke but no. and i was cast. and you had people like george baker and patrick stewart and john hurt and everyone. the whole world was in it, our greatest and best actors. the press were all there and said the casting is wonderful but we cannot understand why you have cast brian blizzard! and he said, we thought it might be full scale field and he said no, because no one can shoot clap like brian and he was right! but in the beginning it was hard for the actors to get the tone of i, claudius until the writer said imagine it is the mafia and then suddenly it was a light bulb moment. i was quite up for it and i have been frustrated not being able to use my arms or the toga or anything and then suddenly they said think about the mafia, rome, italy. then of course i did research and of course the americans adored i, claudius even more than we did because they are the romans. we did not know what it was like to be rich, in rehearsals, you know. we were immensely rich and we could have filmed it in rome. it would not have filmed it in rome. it would not have worked. you have filmed it in rome. it would not have worked-— have worked. you filmed it in a television _ have worked. you filmed it in a television studio. _ have worked. you filmed it in a television studio. and - have worked. you filmed it in a - television studio. and extraordinary thing is looking back, and i never missed an episode, it was like a theatrical performance. you had these long bits of dialogue which probably would not now. i do these long bits of dialogue which probably would not now.- probably would not now. i do not think it has _ probably would not now. i do not think it has dated, _ probably would not now. i do not think it has dated, i _ probably would not now. i do not think it has dated, i think - probably would not now. i do not think it has dated, i think that i probably would not now. i do not i think it has dated, i think that now we have to catch up. the reality and the brilliance, and the whole cast and director are brilliant, brilliant direction and lighting, it would not be dated. i“m brilliant direction and lighting, it would not be dated. i'm glad that it is coming back on because we have got a lot to learn from it. you had to be true and real. i would actually defy the historians and i would not stand there being a caesar, i would do that you know or wipe my face when i was talking or scratch my hair. so we were free by this mafia thing. i could kiss and stroke people, i do like you but i'm going to cut you had a fun day! bind going to cut you had a fun day! and in the end in _ going to cut you had a fun day! and in the end in your death seam you are asked to lie unblinking for more than five minutes. i are asked to lie unblinking for more than five minutes.— are asked to lie unblinking for more than five minutes. i came in one day and herbie — than five minutes. i came in one day and herbie weiss _ than five minutes. i came in one day and herbie weiss who _ than five minutes. i came in one day and herbie weiss who had _ than five minutes. i came in one day and herbie weiss who had been - than five minutes. i came in one day and herbie weiss who had been myl and herbie weiss who had been my enemy you might say in z cars, he was almost in tears and he said we“re was almost in tears and he said we're going to have to kill you and i'm going to put the camera on your face forfive minutes i'm going to put the camera on your face for five minutes and you will be dead at the beginning of the shot. i said, be dead at the beginning of the shot. isaid, it be dead at the beginning of the shot. i said, it can't be done. when you see people dead on the screen it is seven seconds or they freeze the frame. i want to see rome die. and when it came to the studio, they had about 15 pages of lines and the camera was on me. and they said, action. �* . ., i camera was on me. and they said, action.- i waited _ camera was on me. and they said, action.- i waited and - camera was on me. and they said, action.- i waited and the - action. action! i waited and the whole nation _ action. action! i waited and the whole nation said _ action. action! i waited and the whole nation said that - action. action! i waited and the whole nation said that was - action. action! i waited and the| whole nation said that was quite action. action! i waited and the i whole nation said that was quite a good death! but whole nation said that was quite a good death!— good death! but for a time, i, claudius defied _ good death! but for a time, i, claudius defied turning - good death! but for a time, i, claudius defied turning into i claudius defied turning into television or it took a long time, why did it take so long to bring it to the screen?— why did it take so long to bring it to the screen? there was a curse attached to _ to the screen? there was a curse attached to it, _ to the screen? there was a curse attached to it, and _ to the screen? there was a curse attached to it, and it _ to the screen? there was a curse attached to it, and it is _ to the screen? there was a curse attached to it, and it is quite - to the screen? there was a curse attached to it, and it is quite a i attached to it, and it is quite a sad story. there was a curse and they tried to do it with charles vaughan and it did not work, people got hurt and got broken legs and some died. so we were all aware of it. graves came over and sat with me. he was mentally tired and thought that i was charles lawton the time. anyway he was saying that, he said i could not write it until i thought about the mafia and things like that. ~ ., thought about the mafia and things like that. ~ . ., , , ., like that. what was the question? i was sa int like that. what was the question? i was saying that _ like that. what was the question? i was saying that various _ like that. what was the question? i was saying that various attempts i like that. what was the question? i i was saying that various attempts had been made to make it and they had failed and it was only when the television series got under way that you realised it could be made a success. , ., . y ., you realised it could be made a success. , ., ., ., success. first of all you could have filmed it in — success. first of all you could have filmed it in rome _ success. first of all you could have filmed it in rome because - success. first of all you could have filmed it in rome because you - success. first of all you could have filmed it in rome because you hadi filmed it in rome because you had all the kind of roman scenery there. and you could film it in america because you've got the white house in washington and the opera house. and the americans adored i, claudius and could identify with it. we could not understand how rich, i knew how rich they were because i served with the american air force and i could impart my knowledge to them! but in fact the romans were so rich. we based the moments on the americans in a way and the greeks with the english. 50 in a way and the greeks with the entlish. , .,, i. in a way and the greeks with the entlish. , .,, ,. , english. so this was your big moment. — english. so this was your big moment, but _ english. so this was your big moment, but there - english. so this was your big moment, but there are - english. so this was your big l moment, but there are things english. so this was your big - moment, but there are things you still want to do in your life and you want to go into space? you have been training with the russians and now you think you would be the oldest man in space? i now you think you would be the oldest man in space?— now you think you would be the oldest man in space? i think it is wonderful— oldest man in space? i think it is wonderful that _ oldest man in space? i think it is wonderful that the _ oldest man in space? i think it is wonderful that the webb - oldest man in space? i think it is i wonderful that the webb telescope oldest man in space? i think it is - wonderful that the webb telescope is out there and all the different galaxies and stars system is being revealed, and we are just beginning, we are children. i did training before putin started to behave like a pillock, i did training in moscow.