now on bbc news it's time for the media show. hello. welcome to the media show. we have reached the one—year anniversary of the storming of the storming of the capital in washington, dc. it was a pivotal moment for america and for its media. we have seen some us journalists criticised for overemphasising its importance and obsessing about it. others say journalists in the us have not found a way of describing the significance of what happened and are giving too much space to the idea that the us election was stolen. let's explore these issues and many more with our five guests. david folkenflik, national public radio. chris walker, a tech journalist based here in the uk. robert costa is from the washington post, susan ferrechio is chief congressional correspondent at the washington examiner. susan, i wonder for our viewers who do not know your publication, tell us about it. we are a news website in a magazine based in washington, dc and our team of reporters cover breaking news, congress, the white house and politics in general and elections and we also have a team of opinion columnists added into the mix. we are grateful for you joining us. our final guest is zing tsjeng, editor in chief of vice uk. and zing, for people who don't know vice well, what is your editorial remit in charge of vice uk? we are a global youth culture website and we have a tv film studio, we are on tiktok, social media and snapchat, and we also publish a website very retro in this time and age for men and the audience and we have audiences all over the world from la to new york and london and asia. we are at a stage where websites are retro — that's where we have got to. unfortunately, if you're talking to people who are 18 and 19 years old it very much is. all right. point taken. let us go back to january the 6th of 2021. i would like to ask the three of you in the us to think back to that story as it unfolded and the journalistic challenges that it posed. let's begin with you, david. the unfolding of the story. on january 6 last year itself followed, in retrosepct, - a predictable but grievous path in the moment itself, there was a bit of disbelief- of what was happening in front of the eyes of those covering it live and those covering it l in person who were on oultes on what had been a peacefull rally and soon became an angry mob turned insurrection - and siege of the capital. even from a sector of the press that we may touch on today, | the conservative press i think reflection of reality of how... it was a shock as any citizen would have but as you get l further from the event . itself it quickly descends into a politicisation to some | degree on the left especially on the right but that day. i think there was disbelief and i think there was shock and hoping there was griefl and anger about what was playing out in the capital. building itself. you talk about the conservative side of us media. i wonder where you would describe npr's position in the media spectrum? we feel ourselves to be| very much like the bbc. we don't have opinionators on staff to tell people - what to think or how to vote. that you might find - an editorial pages of major american newspapers i or on the editorial pages of the uk or even in. the way in which british newspapers are voiced. we have a mandate to be fair to all sides to represent - people in their own voices . and do our best to make sure we are tethered to reality. and that has been your goal for the last year as you can send yourself at the ramification ofjanuary 6. susan, we're you actually in congress or close to it when january 6 happened? yes, i was. i agree with david in terms of how he talked about how it unfolded and the shocking nature of it. i worked in the capitol since the early 1990s and i've watched security evolve there over the years through various terrible incidents and i've seen how it increased and changed in terms of access from the public. you used to be able to walk right in and wander around and then it became a fortress over the years and that was part of why it seemed so shocking to us that this huge group of people were able to in two steps access the capitol by pushing past the police and they were allowed to wander in in huge numbers without any security checks by the police. those two shocking things were happening. so just from a security perspective, aside from the nature of why these people did this, that was really extremely surprising to me and i have seen a lot of things going on in the capitol. where were you as it unfolded? i was out by the building talking to the people coming in and out and trying to find out — the challenge for me was trying to get at why or what did he hope to accomplish. there were different types of people there. they were not a big monolith. which i think is unfortunate. i think the press reports it that way. there were different types of people there. many types. and the most violent among them was probably the smallest group among them, but was still a large group of people. robert costa from the washington post, if i could bring you in here. do you think the fact that there is only one film crew inside the capitol building — the itv news crew — the fact that many journalists were surprised this happened was evidence that the us media as a whole just had not been talking to this section of society anywhere near enough in the weeks and months running up to january the 6th? no. i think the media was paying close attention to trump during the transition period, the challenge for the media and for me at the time writing a book was we did not know all of the facts about what was happening behind the scenes. you had a president coordinating a pressure campaign against his own department ofjustice state officials and his own vice president and other aides and lawmakers on capitol hill and at the time it seemed like this was more of an ego trip for trump to have a rally but it actually was the culmination of a coordinated effort to overturn an election which on january 5, year ago today we were not really clear about an evidence of that is my own reporting, i was outside the hotel on the night ofjanuary 5th and hearing giuliani of that is my own reporting, i was outside the willard hotel on the night ofjanuary 5th and hearing giuliani and bannon were inside and up to no good and didn't really know the full picture until months later. and it's very clear after we found this document called the anstman memo, that trump was not on an ego trip, he was notjust having a rally, this is not just a spasm of a part of the country media was ignoring, this was an attempt to overturn an election and it took months to be piece together that story and we are still piecing together the story. and reporting using deep background methods is something that goes many years back, bob woodward, your co—author used it a many years back, of course they must be in the 1970s. so is what you are saying that actually the story was extraordinary but he did not reveal any structural problems with the way that us media or usjournalism works? i think we all need to step back in the media and follow the two words i try to follow every day which is to "assume nothing". i think, what happened was not a failure of the media it was a failure of imagination, that the american people in the media but also in politics could not really fathom that the peaceful transfer of power would be truly disrupted and i think as we move forward when you hear people say we need to cover democracy more apt to me is really an argument to have more of an imagination, sometimes a bleak one about what is possible in the united states and to be attentive to that. an interesting way of framing it. david, i can hear you trying to come in. i think we have to listen carefully to what bob costa has just said right there. in a sense, the media had done so much to hear from some trump supporters, both in the period afterjoe biden�*s clear victory, but really every since the american media was taken by complete surprise on election night in 2016. there was no failure to talk to trump supporters. to recognise the implications of what the media report was sharing. and there was an actual layer that makes it different from violent protest and as criminal activities that may ensue and this is different because there are structural forces at play and institutions placed in motion and open revolt against its leaders and there were efforts to leverage these powerful positions in government to overturn the will of the american vote. and so when we consider the description you have given us and the description robert has given us, susan from the washington examiner, i wonder if you feel that american media's coverage of the fallout from january 6 all the way through the last 12 months has been proportionate? i think it's been a little political. i think it is about trying to tie republicans to overthrowing an election and overthrowing the government. there are a lot of people who feel very strongly that trump's first — only term, likely — was undermined by democrats and the whole russian collision storyline that dominated its entire time. i think when it came to some of the behaviour we saw and that's a story line that also deserves consideration. obviously i'm not going to agreement the fellow guests on this issue but i feel like the reporting generally speaking is generally biased toward democrats in the papers and radio stations and that's just been a factor of life here in america and for them to look as — i did not see it as democracy about to be overthrown. i saw it kind of like i think about the ego trip for president trump i think it had dire consequences. what he did in his final weeks in office. i don't know if i really felt like democracy was under threat. it seemed to me there was never a real possibility. as we consider your critique of how the liberal media in the us coveragejanuary the 6th and the months that have followed, do we also need to factor in that donald trump was very good business for the liberal media in the us and january the 6th allowed his impact on us politics and his impact on their bottom line to reach beyond his presidency? no, i reject that premise. you are insinuating the media is driving its coverage in a transactional way based on clicks to follow trump and i don't think that's accurate. show me evidence of that. i could point to the fact that a tv network like msnbc is spending a lot of time looking atjanuary 6 and the consequences of everything that have followed and you could argue that's justifiable but its critics would say it's a good way of driving ratings to inflate the importance of the story versus other stories. do not say it's not important, but to give it a disproportionate amount of airtime. ~ , ., ., airtime. well, you are consuming _ airtime. well, you are consuming intent - airtime. well, you are l consuming intent there. airtime. well, you are - consuming intent there. they don't know the intent. they are covering it a lot and that's a fair thing to say. msnbc is covering up a lot and framing it in a different way. cnn is covering it its own way. the option here is to not cover a major committee work on investigating an attack on the us capitol and focus on biden�*s agenda and infrastructure. that iss an editorial choice to also covered january 6 a year after, but i see january 6 in a different way than the committee. the committee sees it framing at least congressman cheney has trump being idle that's not the story. trump may have been idle for a few hours but the story is the weeks prior and the intent was there to disrupt elections. and the other reason — i'm not giving msnbc credit here — the reason they keep covering this is the aftershock of january 6 is not that this was an isolated episode. attempts to frame the 2020 election as if i get an election continue in a rampant rate in many states to the point where people are trying to run for office seeing the election was a lie and change election laws this is a pervasive new movement in american politics that deserves attention and scrutiny. david, what is your view of this? the degree to which— no—one is suggesting this is not the story — but it's the degree to which it's being covered. do you suspect liberal media had incentives to be on editorialjudgements forfocusing on this? well, i want to be careful about accepting the idea of liberal media that the washington post is exactly the way the guardian is. you know, american newspapers try by and large. they have sensibilities and outlooks and the experience. i think the choices but they have outlook but is more explicit than the place you will find things on the spectrum and in the uk. the investigation in the aftermath to a greater degree and more disproportionate degree than like npr or the new york times which does cover ingrate that's the kind of policy arguments and political debates that robert referred to. i would remind you that cable does everything disproportionate. it never does things as sort of a magazine with 17 different stories now, they cover three or four stories now and one of them they will do out of proportion regardless and what i would say is this is fundamentally in some ways the story of our moment. i think it's wrong to say, you know, well, there were concerns about the integrity of these elections. a news organisation at times, including the washington examiner which i actually respect a lot of the journalist there but let's be clear your viewers, it is a right of centre outfit whose ceo is currently campaigning for his publication by campaigning against the advertising against the credibility of the rest of the credibility of the rest of the media. they have cast doubt about some of the changes that were made because of the pandemic and that's fair but those were evaluated and found not to affect the election, not for there to be any meaningful level of fraud in the election so trusting, i want to finish this thought, casting doubt on the development in the week of dozens of lawsuits and dozens of evaluations by election officials of the right and left, republican and democrat, throughout this nation is give credence to something that has been discredited. find credence to something that has been discredited.— been discredited. and what is interesting — been discredited. and what is interesting listening - been discredited. and what is interesting listening to - been discredited. and what is interesting listening to all - interesting listening to all three of you, susan, robert and david, is the degree of emphasis on the functioning of american democracy and zing, if we can bring you win, you are editor—in—chief of vice uk and i wonder as you have observed this story whether this marks a broader shift in journalist interest and how democracy functions and how that is described to their audiences? i described to their audiences? i think it certainly reflects a kind — think it certainly reflects a kind of— think it certainly reflects a kind of shift in the us but i think— kind of shift in the us but i think but_ kind of shift in the us but i think but contrasting it with what — think but contrasting it with what has been happening in the uk and — what has been happening in the ukand in— what has been happening in the uk and in the uk we very much still have — uk and in the uk we very much still have a _ uk and in the uk we very much still have a media that is focusing on the individual foibles _ focusing on the individual foibles of our politicians. i need _ foibles of our politicians. i need to— foibles of our politicians. i need to need matt hancock and the kissing tape but was broke last yeah _ the kissing tape but was broke last year. you know, you can contrast_ last year. you know, you can contrast that with the way that someone — contrast that with the way that someone like doctorjill biden is covered in the us press versus_ is covered in the us press versus someone like carrie symonds and where she has been covered _ symonds and where she has been covered in— symonds and where she has been covered in the us press. the differences between the uk and us press, i think the us media right— us press, i think the us media right now— us press, i think the us media right now is very focused on democratic processes, the ways in which — democratic processes, the ways in which people can be disenfranchised of their vote. gerrymandering that occurs in elections _ gerrymandering that occurs in elections. whereas i think in the uk — elections. whereas i think in the uk for better or worse we are still— the uk for better or worse we are still very much focused on the character of our politicians which is why we see people — politicians which is why we see people criticise for instance boris — people criticise for instance borisjohnson. it wouldn't be long — borisjohnson. it wouldn't be long until i get a de gendt ahout— long until i get a de gendt about the way he dresses all the way— about the way he dresses all the way he presents himself but still very— the way he presents himself but still very much in personality driven— still very much in personality driven political system here. we have _ driven political system here. we have looked at how this has impacted on the way democracy has described within journalism, we have discussed the proportionate nature of how this was covered too. let's turn to the tech giants because one strand of the story that has not gone away is the role of the tech giants, twitter and facebook have been accused of acting too slowly when it came down to taking post— inciting violence on january six. they also being accused though of overreaching, of interfering in politics, of banning some political accounts. of course, most high—profile example of what is donald trump stood account was suspended not long afterjanuary the sixth and now in the last few days, congresswoman marjorie taylor green has been banned from twitter permanently for sharing covid misinformation and chris, what more do we know about that decision from twitter to kick a congresswoman, an elected congresswoman, an elected congresswoman, off their platform? it congresswoman, off their platform?— congresswoman, off their platform? it was a slightly different thing _ platform? it was a slightly different thing with - platform? it was a slightly i different thing with marjorie taylor— different thing with marjorie taylor green _ different thing with marjorie taylor green then— different thing with marjorie taylor green then donald i different thing with marjorie - taylor green then donald trump removed — taylor green then donald trump removed from _ taylor green then donald trump removed from twitter— taylor green then donald trump removed from twitter because l taylor green then donald trumpi removed from twitter because 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you l wake up one morning and you realise — wake up one morning and you realise your— wake up one morning and you realise your content— wake up one morning and you realise your content is - wake up one morning and you realise your content is not - realise your content is not performing _ realise your content is not performing the _ realise your content is not performing the same - realise your content is not performing the same wayl realise your content is not - performing the same way that it used _ performing the same way that it used to — performing the same way that it used to. �* , ., , performing the same way that it usedto. �* , ., ,, used to. and this has happened in a high-profile _ used to. and this has happened in a high-profile case _ used to. and this has happened in a high-profile case in - used to. and this has happened in a high-profile case in the - in a high—profile case in the uk because the news account politics for all has been permanently suspended from twitter, this was an account but we did a predominantly breaking news stories from other outlets, it had hundreds of thousands of followers including mps and government ministers and chris, it has gone. tell us why. . ministers and chris, it has gone. tell us why.- gone. tell us why. , it's difficult _ gone. tell us why. , it's difficult to _ gone. tell us why. , it's difficult to actually - gone. tell us why. , it's. difficult to actually know. gone. tell us why. , it's - difficult to actually know. it seems _ difficult to actually know. it seems as _ difficult to actually know. it seems as if— difficult to actually know. it seems as if it _ difficult to actually know. it seems as if it has - difficult to actually know. it seems as if it has gone - difficult to actually know. it - seems as if it has gone because of the _ seems as if it has gone because of the fact— seems as if it has gone because of the fact that _ seems as if it has gone because of the fact that it _ seems as if it has gone because of the fact that it was _ of the fact that it was aggregating - of the fact that it was i aggregating information of the fact that it was _ aggregating information amongst linked _ aggregating information amongst linked accounts _ aggregating information amongst linked accounts that _ aggregating information amongst linked accounts that it _ aggregating information amongst linked accounts that it we - linked accounts that it we don't _ linked accounts that it we don't really— linked accounts that it we don't really know, - linked accounts that it we don't really know, and . linked accounts that it we - don't really know, and twitter has not — don't really know, and twitter has not definitively _ don't really know, and twitter has not definitively really - has not definitively really said. _ has not definitively really said. nor— has not definitively really said, nor has— has not definitively really said, nor has the - has not definitively really said, nor has the owner. has not definitively reallyl said, nor has the owner of politics— said, nor has the owner of politics for _ said, nor has the owner of politics for fall— said, nor has the owner of politics for fall come - said, nor has the owner of politics for fall come out l politics for fall come out and really — politics for fall come out and really explained _ politics for fall come out and really explained to _ politics for fall come out and really explained to the - politics for fall come out and really explained to the pressj really explained to the press so there _ really explained to the press so there is— really explained to the press so there is this _ really explained to the press so there is this kind - really explained to the press so there is this kind of- really explained to the press so there is this kind of like l really explained to the press so there is this kind of like aj so there is this kind of like a transparency_ so there is this kind of like a transparency that— so there is this kind of like a transparency that we - so there is this kind of like a transparency that we are - so there is this kind of like a transparency that we are all| transparency that we are all concerned _ transparency that we are all concerned about, _ transparency that we are all concerned about, given - transparency that we are all concerned about, given the | concerned about, given the outsized _ concerned about, given the outsized impact _ concerned about, given the outsized impact that - concerned about, given the outsized impact that social| outsized impact that social media _ outsized impact that social media platforms _ outsized impact that social media platforms have, - outsized impact that social media platforms have, but zihg's_ media platforms have, but zing's interest _ media platforms have, but zing's interest in _ media platforms have, but zing's interest in point - media platforms have, but i zing's interest in point there in terms _ zing's interest in point there in terms of— zing's interest in point there in terms of this _ zing's interest in point there in terms of this idea - zing's interest in point there in terms of this idea of - zing's interest in point there| in terms of this idea of we're putting — in terms of this idea of we're putting a _ in terms of this idea of we're putting a lot _ in terms of this idea of we're putting a lot of _ in terms of this idea of we're putting a lot of our _ in terms of this idea of we're putting a lot of our eggs - in terms of this idea of we're putting a lot of our eggs in l putting a lot of our eggs in terms _ putting a lot of our eggs in terms of— putting a lot of our eggs in terms of the _ putting a lot of our eggs in terms of the media - putting a lot of our eggs in terms of the media in- putting a lot of our eggs in i terms of the media in baskets that we — terms of the media in baskets that we don't— terms of the media in baskets that we don't have _ terms of the media in baskets that we don't have control- terms of the media in baskets that we don't have control of, | that we don't have control of, and _ that we don't have control of, and those _ that we don't have control of, and those of— that we don't have control of, and those of us _ that we don't have control of, and those of us with - that we don't have control of, and those of us with long - that we don't have control of, and those of us with long will| and those of us with long will remember— and those of us with long will rememberthings_ and those of us with long will rememberthings like- and those of us with long will remember things like the - and those of us with long will i remember things like the media public— remember things like the media public pivot _ remember things like the media public pivot to _ remember things like the media public pivot to video _ remember things like the media public pivot to video in - remember things like the media public pivot to video in the - public pivot to video in the late — public pivot to video in the late 2000, _ public pivot to video in the late 2000, early— public pivot to video in the late 2000, early 2010, - public pivot to video in the . late 2000, early 2010, when suddenly— late 2000, early 2010, when suddenly facebook— late 2000, early 2010, whenl suddenly facebook prioritised media — suddenly facebook prioritised media content. _ suddenly facebook prioritised media content. people - suddenly facebook prioritised media content. people were i media content. people were hired — media content. people were hired in _ media content. people were hired in order— media content. people were hired in order to _ media content. people were hired in order to produce - hired in order to produce videos, _ hired in order to produce videos, regular- hired in order to produce videos, regularwriters. hired in order to produce . videos, regular writers were fired — videos, regular writers were fired on _ videos, regular writers were fired on the _ videos, regular writers were fired on the back— videos, regular writers were fired on the back of- videos, regular writers were fired on the back of that, i videos, regular writers were i fired on the back of that, and then— fired on the back of that, and then suddenly— fired on the back of that, and then suddenly facebook - fired on the back of that, and l then suddenly facebook turned off the — then suddenly facebook turned off the tap _ then suddenly facebook turned off the tap of _ then suddenly facebook turned off the tap of traffic— then suddenly facebook turned off the tap of traffic to - then suddenly facebook turned off the tap of traffic to the - off the tap of traffic to the platforms _ off the tap of traffic to the platforms and _ off the tap of traffic to the platforms and so, - off the tap of traffic to the i platforms and so, suddenly off the tap of traffic to the - platforms and so, suddenly you find the — platforms and so, suddenly you find the media _ platforms and so, suddenly you find the media having _ platforms and so, suddenly you find the media having to- platforms and so, suddenly you find the media having to movel find the media having to move again— find the media having to move again and _ find the media having to move again and i_ find the media having to move again and i think— find the media having to move again and i think this - find the media having to move again and i think this is- find the media having to move again and i think this is one i again and i think this is one of the — again and i think this is one of the big _ again and i think this is one of the big issues _ again and i think this is one of the big issues here, - again and i think this is one of the big issues here, is i of the big issues here, is there _ of the big issues here, is there really— of the big issues here, is there really are - of the big issues here, is there really are seeing . of the big issues here, is i there really are seeing the media _ there really are seeing the media platforms— there really are seeing the media platforms being - there really are seeing the media platforms being ledj there really are seeing the i media platforms being led by social— media platforms being led by social media _ media platforms being led by social media giants. - media platforms being led by social media giants.— social media giants. david, let's bring _ social media giants. david, let's bring you _ social media giants. david, let's bring you win - social media giants. david, let's bring you win on - social media giants. david, let's bring you win on this. | let's bring you win on this. sure, well, ithink let's bring you win on this. sure, well, i think there is some interviewing for interesting questions here, for example, i think we forget in america with the first amendment that these are private companies. they are enormous. they dominate the way in which people, i think, acquire or exposed to information, particularly matter facebook but also twitter, and yet they have their own first amendment rights to make choices about whom they are allowed to talk on the platforms. that's not regulated by the government exactly. and yet, there are questions about first amendment principles of play. a congressman, congresswoman been taken off the platform who has the authority of the office to speak to her constituents, julie elliott, you know, that does raise significant concerns. i think that there has been a lot ofjournalistic look at the claim made often by conservatives that conservatives that conservatives are targeted. i do think at a time where there seems to be an asymmetrical, not that there is none on the left button asymmetrical level of misinformation disinformation from certain kinds of right—wing figures about covid, for example, the platforms are struggling to deal with it, there are ways to deal with it, there are ways to deal with it without the form i covid the platforming people which nothing to be more fully explored. which nothing to be more fully exlored. ,, , ., , ., ., explored. questions remain for how the media _ explored. questions remain for how the media interacts - explored. questions remain for how the media interacts with i how the media interacts with the text platforms. just to bring this discussion back to january six in the last few minutes, robert koster, we have heard that you have written a book on how you cover the story in the hours and days that followed. the storming of the capital. he has a number of different types of journalism and i wonder now you have some distance from the event whether you think there are what lessons that now need to be applied as the media continues to cover this story as it evolves. to cover this story as it evolves-— evolves. my advice to colleagues _ evolves. my advice to colleagues on - evolves. my advice to colleagues on my - evolves. my advice to | colleagues on my own organisations would be if vigilance, vigorous and listen to what people are doing out in the country. and that means not talking to voters by talking more to state officials, to local officials. what is happening out in the country? to me, the constitutional crisis on the horizon, if it ever happens, is injanuary of 2025. if ultimate slates of the is our in different ways counted the votes is proposed, broadly speaking, inside the republican party, and if that, that seems to be a development based on my reporting that is active right now. crosstalk. give very _ active right now. crosstalk. give very much, _ active right now. crosstalk. give very much, sorry - active right now. crosstalk. give very much, sorry to - active right now. crosstalk. | give very much, sorry to jump in, i know we're up against the end of the programme but that is some final advice from robert costa of the washington post and i will quickly mention and bring ourselves right back to january six, there is a new radio 4 series the coming storm presented by gabriel gatehouse, looking at the build up to january six of the causes of those rights and also particularly looks of the un on conspiracy theory. you can listen to the entire series right now on bbc sounds. but is it for this edition of the media show. thank you indeed for watching, thanks to all of our guests and we will see you next week. katie russell will be with you. —— razzle. hello again. it was quite a wet and windy start to the weekend. saturday brought widespread outbreaks of rain. the wettest place, north west wales, capel curig picking up 34mm of rain. the strong winds towards the isle of wight pushing the waves into the coastline here. towards the end of the day, we had a lovely sunset in dumfries and galloway in west scotland. now, the driving area of low pressure that brought the wet and windy weather on saturday is here and it's still on the charts through sunday. what's going to happen is it's going to weaken significantly as it moves its way across scotland. however, it will still be bringing a little bit of rain with it across parts of scotland and northern england as well. now, for the time being, we've still got some fairly brisk winds blowing in. they're bringing scattered showers across western areas. there's a little bit of sleet mixed in with some of these across the higher ground, scotland, northern england, northern ireland as well, with temperatures close to freezing but on the whole, just staying above — except in northern scotland, where temperatures could get down to about —5 in the deeper valleys in aberdeenshire. now, for many, it's going to be a fine start to the day but that area of low pressure is going to push this band of rain across scotland, northern ireland and through the afternoon, the rain moves its way across northern england. it will turn lighter and patchier, perhaps reaching the north of wales late in the day. still across the midlands, east anglia, most of southern england a lot of dry weather but we end the day with this band of light, patchy rain pushing into cornwall. well, that is associated with this warm front and that warm front is going to pivot its way in to the uk as we go through monday. now, with that, yes, will come mild air, but there will be a lot of cloud around, mist and fog patches quite common around the coasts and hills, and it will be quite damp at times, too, with a bit of light rain and drizzle. a bit of heavier rain into western scotland, where a cold front will begin to move in late in the day. temperatures then are the mildest across western areas of the uk just ahead of this front. in the east, a little bit cooler — highs of around 7 or so. now, by tuesday, this is our cold front now pushing its way southwards across england and wales. that will clear outbreaks of rain southwards. a mixture of bright spells and showers for scotland. a lot of dry weather in between for northern ireland, northern england and north wales as well but you'll notice the cooler air starting to move back in from the north and west with temperatures here around 7 or 8, the mildest air in the south. now, beyond that, high pressure is going to build into the south of the uk and that means increasingly, in the week ahead, the weather will become fine and dry with some sunny spells. welcome to bbc news. i'm simon pusey. our top stories: more controversy for novak djokovic, as footage emerges of him in public at the time his lawyers say he tested positive for coronavirus. more than 150,000 people in the uk have now died within 28 days of a positive covid test since the pandemic began. it's the first country in western europe to reach the figure. time to shine. scientists celebrate as the james webb telescope, the biggest observatory sent into orbit, successfully unfolds its mirrored panels in space. and a rescue dog reunited — three countries and six years later — even the offer of a private jet to bring an australian couple their beloved pet.

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