Transcripts For BBCNEWS US Capitol Attack - A Year On 202407

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repeating his false claims about the election and accusing joe biden of destroying the nation. on the house floor, the speaker nancy pelosi holds a moment of silence for those who died. more than 700 people have been arrested in connection with that day so far. this hour we will speak to the attorney general for the district of colombia. hello, good evening. it is january 6th, and a year to the day, that i sat here, in this studio, reporting on the mayhem unfolding on the steps of the us capitol. marking that anniversary president biden has made it clear who he thinks was responsible and why — donald trump, the first president in us history to refuse to accept the results of an election and submit to a peaceful transfer of power. some decribe those events as a coup, or an insurrection. but by the time they took place the attempt had already failed. at that moment, on that day, the vice president was in the senate chamber overseeing the certification of the election result, which mr trump and his supporters had spent weeks trying to subvert. we will never give up. we will never concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede when there is death in power. and we fight. we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country any more. over the next ten days we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots_ the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are wrong and if we are wrong _ ballots that are wrong and if we are wrong we _ ballots that are wrong and if we are wrong we will be made. but if we right— wrong we will be made. but if we right a _ wrong we will be made. but if we right a lot — wrong we will be made. but if we right a lot of them will to jail. sow — so... applause let's have trial by combat. applause let's have trial by combat. while the president was at the ellipse urging his supporters to fight, the mob was already at the police line, on the western side of the capitol. screaming. ighting their way into the building, where lawmakers were by this point running for their lives romney)this was senator mitt romney, who weeks later would vote to convict the president at his impeachment. a capitol officer eugene goodman intercepted the rioters and bravely diverted them away from the senate chamber pence it gave the secret service precious time to evacuate the vice president, as the mob outside the capitol chanted for him to be hanged. over several hours that followed, the mob scoured the congressional offices, hunting for the lawmakers who were hiding. as the confederate flag was paraded through the halls of congress. and all the while — for three long hours — the president stayed in the white house to watch it unfold on tv. over the couse of the next hour we are going to break that day — and the year that has followed — into its consitituents parts. the mob, the capitol police, the events that unfolded in the white house. we will look at the congressional inquiry. and we will ask what it means for american democracy today, a year on. so lets begin with the trump supporters. and the stop the steal rally, that preceded the violence at the capitol. one of the key organisers of that event was dustin stockton, who together with his wife, jennifer lawrence, had been touring the country since the election, advancing the presidents' unfounded claims that the election had been stolen. we need them to look at the evidence that this election was stolen and then do the right thing because if our votes don't count, nothing counts. we're going to try to give you guys real—time updates about what's happening in the capitol, if it goes to the supreme court, and where we need people to be. dustin stockton and jennifer lawrence were subpoenad and have since given evidence to the january 6th committee. mr stockton, said the panel, was concerned that the rally at the ellipse — which he helped to organise — would lead to a march to the capitol, that would mean "possible danger" which he said "felt unsafe," and these concerns were escalated to white house chief of staff mark meadows. dustin and jennifer are with us. welcome to the programme. thank you forjoining us. i want to come first to the subpoena on the evidence you have supplied to the committee because i can get is an important understand right from the outset to whether this attack on the capital was spontaneous or whether you think it was preplanned? it was preplanned 7 well, it was preplanned? well, so, that is a distinction here thatis well, so, that is a distinction here that is really important. there were several different groups organising. we brought people to dc three separate times in november and december as part of the nationwide tours we were doing. we had concerns about some of the other organising factors and the previous events that we have been fighting with and working to prevent them from having access or even stage time and definitely not any leadership ordered the organiser role. it is clear that there was well funded, when organised effort to lead people to the capital, is to rile them up and to commit violence that day. and he was behind that? who was behind the? treatment the reason we turned everything over is our hope is that the committee investigation will get to the bottom of that. from public reporting since it seems clear that there were probably members of the administration who are participating. jennifer, if you knew that this was going to go south, that this was going to go south, that things were going to get out of hand, why isjustin on stage and why you still there? 50. hand, why is justin on stage and why you still there?— you still there? so, we never... we never spoke — you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at _ you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at the _ you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at the ellipse. - you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at the ellipse. we - you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at the ellipse. we did l never spoke at the ellipse. we did most _ never spoke at the ellipse. we did most of— never spoke at the ellipse. we did most of the majority of our speaking in between november and january five. in between november and january five but— in between november and january five. but up until that point, i mean. — five. but up until that point, i mean. we _ five. but up until that point, i mean, we have held nationwide rallies— mean, we have held nationwide rallies all— mean, we have held nationwide rallies all across the country i thinking — rallies all across the country i thinking 27 states leading up to jenny— thinking 27 states leading up to jenny the sixth and we have been organising — jenny the sixth and we have been organising for over a decade. sorry, when ou organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say _ organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say you — organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say you never _ organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say you never spoke - organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say you never spoke at i organising for over a decade. sorry, | when you say you never spoke at the ellipse we just played the clip of justin on stage talking at ellipse. that was january five. that justin on stage talking at ellipse. that was january five.— that was january five. that was renerall that was january five. that was generally fifth. _ that was january five. that was generally fifth. so this - that was january five. that was generally fifth. so this was - that was january five. that was generally fifth. so this was the | that was january five. that was . generally fifth. so this was the day before? and _ generally fifth. so this was the day before? and we _ generally fifth. so this was the day before? and we had _ generally fifth. so this was the day before? and we had escalated - generally fifth. so this was the day before? and we had escalated our| before? and we had escalated our concerns about _ before? and we had escalated our concerns about a _ before? and we had escalated our concerns about a potential- before? and we had escalated our concerns about a potential march | before? and we had escalated our i concerns about a potential march to the capital and everyone we knew at the capital and everyone we knew at the top level of the administration and our expectation and we were on the record onjanuary and our expectation and we were on the record on january five and our expectation and we were on the record onjanuary five staying this we expected everyone to stay at the ellipse throughout the entire day and that they would be no organised event at the capitol and the secret service would be in charge of that and that's part of the evidence we turned over to the house committee so for us we take the safety and responsibility of the people who came out to each of our events very seriously. we did not anticipate that that match was going to happen or anything was going to happen at the capitol and went president trump pointed people to go to the capitol that was kind of comedy like, yeah, pivotal movement. i want to come back to that. i want to play an excerpt from joe biden's speech at the capitol. have a listen. the third big lie being told by our former president i and supporters says the mob who sought to impose - their wills through violence i are the nation's true patriots. is that what you thought - when you looked at the mob ransacking the capitol? destroying property, literally defecating in the hallways? i rifling through the desks - of senators and representatives? hunting down members of congress? patriots? not in my view. i don't know if the two of you consider yourself patriots but clearly in the run—up to january the 6th and you have just set this out. jennifer, you would touring the country spoon feeding the bass alive. that the election was stolen. and there was no evidence of that. spoon feeding the base a lie. president trump was presenting evidence — president trump was presenting evidence after the election leading up evidence after the election leading up to— evidence after the election leading up tojenny sic. evidence after the election leading up to jenny sic. we were told that they had — up to jenny sic. we were told that they had the receipts on january six was supposed to be the day that they presented _ was supposed to be the day that they presented that evidence that they had been — presented that evidence that they had been talking about this whole time _ had been talking about this whole time |_ had been talking about this whole time. ., , ~ had been talking about this whole time. ., , ,, ., had been talking about this whole time. ., , ~ ., ., time. i would 'ust like to say to our time. i would 'ust like to say to your point — time. i would just like to say to your point that _ time. i would just like to say to your point that people - time. i would just like to say to your point that people who - time. i would just like to say to - your point that people who ransacked the building, the 700 people who have been arrested, the people committed violence, were a tiny fraction of the people who came out to peacefully exercise their rights that day. we denounce them, we have worked to denounce them since immediately afterwards in no uncertain terms. the people who ransacked the capitol are violent thugs and deserved to be punished. the people who showed up to washington, dc, the hundreds of thousands of people who were there, the overwhelming majority deplore any acts of violence. they did not participate in any of that. and we see ourselves as representing those people because we in all of our career we have never advocated for violence. there is a difference between political hyperbole and actual violence and... we... but between political hyperbole and actualviolence and... we... actual violence and... we... but you feel the most? _ actual violence and... we... but you feelthe most? do _ actual violence and... we... but you feel the most? do you _ actual violence and. .. we... but you feel the most? do you feel- feel the most? do you feel remorseful feeding the lie? —— feel the most? do you feel remorsefulfeeding the lie? —— do you feel remorse for feeding the lie? do you on the anniversary of that event feel some responsibility for what took place?— for what took place? there is definitely _ for what took place? there is definitely a — for what took place? there is definitely a deep _ for what took place? there is definitely a deep sense - for what took place? there is definitely a deep sense of... | for what took place? there is - definitely a deep sense of... this year has been tough. we have wrestled with guilt and shame. just ruickl , wrestled with guilt and shame. just quickly, though, ithink wrestled with guilt and shame. just quickly, though, i think what is interesting about you to issue a source of reflective of the people who were there that day because you are split, the two of you now, and how you feel about donald trump and the role he played in it. if i am right, dustin you have washed your hands of him butjennifer, do you still hold a candle for him? that hands of him but jennifer, do you still hold a candle for him? that is somethin: still hold a candle for him? that is something i— still hold a candle for him? that is something i have _ still hold a candle for him? that is something i have had _ still hold a candle for him? that is something i have had to _ still hold a candle for him? that is i something i have had to wrestle with over the _ something i have had to wrestle with over the past year and something i have always held up as one of the things— have always held up as one of the things i_ have always held up as one of the things i most admired about president trump was his ability to lead people and be a good leader. and. _ lead people and be a good leader. and, unfortunately, onjanuary the 6th is— and, unfortunately, onjanuary the 6th is leadership failed and i see this as _ 6th is leadership failed and i see this as a — 6th is leadership failed and i see this as a huge, you know, a stain on our country — this as a huge, you know, a stain on our country it— this as a huge, you know, a stain on our country. it is something that is horrible _ our country. it is something that is horrible it — our country. it is something that is horrible it is — our country. it is something that is horrible. it is something that should — horrible. it is something that should never have happened. nobody's life should have been put in danger like that— life should have been put in danger like that when you are a leader you are supposed to give people hope and you are _ are supposed to give people hope and you are supposed to give them facts and, you are supposed to give them facts and. you _ you are supposed to give them facts and, you know, leave them in the proper— and, you know, leave them in the proper direction and i don't think president — proper direction and i don't think president trump did that and it is something i have had to wrestle with and i something i have had to wrestle with and i would _ something i have had to wrestle with and i would truly question his leadership now and i were truly guestion. — leadership now and i were truly question, you know, what his intentions _ question, you know, what his intentions are and i think moving forward — intentions are and i think moving forward it— intentions are and i think moving forward it is something we all have to take _ forward it is something we all have to take a _ forward it is something we all have to take a really serious look at. there _ to take a really serious look at. there is— to take a really serious look at. there is a — to take a really serious look at. there is a difference between his accomplishments that he accomplished as president but when you fail to leave _ as president but when you fail to leave iike — as president but when you fail to leave like she did injanuary the 6th, _ leave like she did injanuary the 6th, i_ leave like she did injanuary the 6th, i mean, that tarnishes everything. —— when you fail to lead like she _ everything. —— when you fail to lead like she did — everything. -- when you fail to lead like she did-— like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence. _ like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence, thank— like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence, thank you _ like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence, thank you for - like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence, thank you for coming like she did. dustin and jennifer - lawrence, thank you for coming on. a violent clash with a mob of angry rioters was not the battle the capitol police were prepared for that day or equipped to win. many of the officers on duty had never before made an arrest, much the intelligence failures are now well documented. three days before the attack, an internal intelligence report described what would occur with extraordinary accuracy. "stop the steal�*s propensity," it said "to attract white supremacists, militia members and others who actively promote violence may lead to a significantly dangerous situation for law enforcement and the general public alike." so how do those officers, deal with the anniversary today, and how do they feel about the failures in intelligence. officer harry dunn has been speaking to my colleague, laura trevelyan. my my day was basically filled with just surviving get home. i did have a moment to sit down. once we had a little bit of hope in the building i was able to reflect. that is when the infamous line, is this america, i was able to sit down with one of my friends and we talked about our experiences from that day. and i began to sob and i began to cry about... notjust what happened but, i guess, the state of our country and it was a very, very, very disheartening and i would say that was the low point of that day. let's bring in the attorney generalfor the district of columbia, karl racine. lovely to have you on the programme. the officers who were there that day went to that trauma need answers. how many ounces you think you have provided? this how many ounces you think you have rovided? �* , , ., how many ounces you think you have rovided? ~ , i. ~ ., , ., provided? as you know, christian, thank ou provided? as you know, christian, thank you so _ provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much _ provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much a _ provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much a first - provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much a first for - provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much a first for this i thank you so much a first for this opportunity to talk on the bbc but the officers who responded, though capitol hill police officers like harry dunn fought valiantly to protect america's freedom. as you know, the insurrectionists sought to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. they not only injured capitol hill officers, some of whom died, they also injured and were responsible for the deaths of dc police officers who went to support capitol hill officers. to answer your question, i don't think that the entire truth has yet to be revealed. in terms of what the federal government at that time, run by president trump, knew about the dangers and threats to the capitol and why the federal government did not protect the united states capital. if i could just compare what happened onjanuary 6th to what happened five months earlier, six months earlier injune, right in advance of a black lie is nasa protest. you will remember president trump commissioned tens of thousands of law enforcement to show forth from faults against peaceful protesters stop —— black lives matter protest. peaceful protesters who were only protesting for equal treatment for black americans. juxtapose that with what we saw as a failure of defence of the capitol. answers are still pending. 50. failure of defence of the capitol. answers are still pending. so, 725 --eole answers are still pending. so, 725 people have _ answers are still pending. so, 725 people have been _ answers are still pending. so, 725 people have been prosecuted - answers are still pending. so, 725 people have been prosecuted so i answers are still pending. so, 725 i people have been prosecuted so far. there were many, many more who were at the capitol steps that day. there was the character who placed pipe bombs outside the offices of the rnc and the dnc. where are you with the investigations into that? so and the dnc. where are you with the investigations into that?— investigations into that? so the officer and _ investigations into that? so the officer and attorney _ investigations into that? so the officer and attorney general. investigations into that? so the j officer and attorney general for investigations into that? so the - officer and attorney general for the district of columbia is not the federal department ofjustice nor the federal prosecutors. but we are is a distinct suffering entity that represents the interests of district residents and what we have done about this is brought suit against the proud boys, the oath keepers and over 30 individuals who caused grief this damage to dc police officers. —— grievous damage. let me tell you that the metropolitan police officers have died since the attack via suicide and many other officers are going through holy hell and mental health trauma. —— three have died. so what we're doing is going to hold those groups, proud boys, oath keepers and 30 plus individuals accountable for conspiring and planning and implementing hand to the district of columbia. that is what we are going to do and we're going to make them pay financially. is it within your v mate if you are looking at those who are orchestrating the violence on that day, is it within your remit to prosecute senior figures within the administration who you have just heard our last guest hold responsible for what went on? the short answer _ responsible for what went on? tue: short answer is responsible for what went on? tte: short answer is yes. responsible for what went on? tt9: short answer is yes. i responsible for what went on? tt9 short answer is yes. i was suit was filed a few weeks ago, and i have to tell you that our partners the and high defamation leak on a state united, and to great law firms, particularly on over the evidence in this case —— anti—defamation league, states united. stage one is against planners, conspired as and actual participants. our investigation continues and we will not be inhibited by title nor position and we're going to hold people responsible where we believe we can prove a civil case. just responsible where we believe we can prove a civil case-— prove a civil case. just very quickly. — prove a civil case. just very quickly. you _ prove a civil case. just very quickly, you talk— prove a civil case. just very quickly, you talk about - prove a civil case. just very - quickly, you talk about holding people responsible for incitement to violence and yet the president has talked today about a coup, about an in selection, so why are you not prosecuting on charges of sedition or treating? prosecuting on charges of sedition ortreating? —— prosecuting on charges of sedition or treating? —— and insurrection. that is because, to be quite honest, i do not have the authority is the attorney general for the district of columbia. look at us as a state and our authority is unfortunately limited to civil. i do not have the authority criminally. what i can do is what we are doing and that is hitting the responsible parties where the accounts, financially. acting against people financially and making them pay for the damage they cause financially as an american value, a western democratic value and we're going to make sure that happens. value and we're going to make sure that happens-— that happens. very good to talk to ou aaain. that happens. very good to talk to you again. thank— that happens. very good to talk to you again. thank you _ that happens. very good to talk to you again. thank you for - that happens. very good to talk to you again. thank you for coming i that happens. very good to talk to i you again. thank you for coming on. a year on the house select committee is still trying to figure out what went wrong and who was ultimately responsible. there are a lot of things that should have occurred that didn't, but was that by design? the committee is uncovering new evidence, including a timeline, of what president trump did — or did not do that day — including a body of evidence, they say, shows he willfully chose not to stop the violence despite pleas from his own children. donald trumpjnr, who sent texts in real time wrote, "he's got to condemn this asap. "the capitol police tweet is not enough." there were texts from fox news anchors who urged white house chief of staff mark meadows to get the president to call off the rioters. laura ingraham messaged: "this is hurting all of us. "he is destroying his legacy." brian kilmeade said: "please get him on tv. in an interview aired today the former communications director and press secretary for the trump administration stephanie grisham talked about what she saw that day in the white house. she said that she didn't know who specifically spoke to donald trump, but she did know what he was doing. all i know about that day was that he was in the dining been gleefully watching on his tv as he often did, look at all of the people fighting for me, hitting rewind, watching it again. that is what i know. eventually the president did appear, hours after the capitol was stormed, in a message taped outside the white house, in which he urged his supporters to go home. you have to have peace. so go home. we love you. we have seen what happens. we have seen those of us were so bad and so evil. i know you feel. —— i know how you feel. let's bring in olivia troye, former homeland security adviser to vice president mike pence. we wa nt we want to understand we are going to put up a map of the geography of the white house five years in the west wing. the president was supposedly watching television in the dining room next to the alluvial office. where is that in relation to his desk and more importantly, i suppose, who would have access to that name?— that name? well, it is immediately connected to _ that name? well, it is immediately connected to the _ that name? well, it is immediately connected to the oval— that name? well, it is immediately connected to the oval office. - that name? well, it is immediately connected to the oval office. this | connected to the oval office. this is a direct access wing where he actually didn't have to even walk into the whole way to access that so it would be be in a circle, it would be the inner echelon of access in the west wing. mostly the president's immediate staff, some of the most senior white house officials have access to it and my understanding was that general kellogg, the former vice president's national security adviser, he had been known to go in and out of the dining room and the oval office repeatedly and i think that he was also there that day engaging, is my understanding. so we're talking about the most senior loans, levels of the white house and of course the president's family. —— the most senior realms. president's family. -- the most senior realms.— president's family. -- the most senior realms. let's be clear that kello: . senior realms. let's be clear that kellon is senior realms. let's be clear that kellogg is the — senior realms. let's be clear that kellogg is the national _ senior realms. let's be clear that kellogg is the national security i kellogg is the national security adviser for the president kellogg is the national security adviserfor the president and has his finger on the pulse of everything that is going on in the country should have an also have access to television the president is watching and he had given, there on the right of the president, he has given testimony, we understand, to the committee. it is likely, is it not, that he was able to point out to the president what was happening on the capitol steps? t happening on the capitol steps? i have no doubt. i mean, this is a retired military officer and i am sure that he was concerned, gravely concerned about watching them unfold and never mind the fact that the covent sitting vice president of the united states was in the building and his life was being put in danger as well as the life of his family and the leaders of our country. but i also and the leaders of our country. but i also want — and the leaders of our country. but i also want to understand from your insight into how things work in the west wing is what would be documented. because of course president trump is trying to stop the release of his white house records at the supreme court. what would be in those records? how detailed the baby?— would be in those records? how detailed the baby? well, i think the issue here is _ detailed the baby? well, i think the issue here is twofold. _ detailed the baby? well, i think the issue here is twofold. whether - detailed the baby? well, i think the issue here is twofold. whether they were e—mail exchanges sent, frantic e—mails expressing concern across the staff addressed chief of staff mark meadows, the chief of staff at the time to draw from, what was said between the staff, i would say between the staff, i would say between the staff, i would say between the vice president, vice president's team and donald trump's team. all of that is critical to this. i think my concern is that this. i think my concern is that this is a white house that also was known to conduct business on encrypted messaging apps and so i think they had a question is what would be exchanged via text messages on these encrypted apps and is there any record of than that exists and whether there will be to them. we heard from liz cheney, senior republican on the committee this week saying that she has first—hand evidence that the president's children were warning him of what would happen, the fact that he needed to intervene. mark meadows has supplied his documents. chief kergg has supplied his documents. chief kellogg has given evidence. does that appear to you that the wall of resistance donald trump has built to try and stop the work of the committee, is that crumbling? t do committee, is that crumbling? i do believe so- — committee, is that crumbling? i do believe so- i— committee, is that crumbling? i do believe so. i think _ committee, is that crumbling? t if believe so. i think you have got a group of people here who at times have cooperated although we have seen, you know, people like mark meadows share information and then back away and back down from that but i do think to my understanding that we are seeing the reporting that we are seeing the reporting that the vice president's team is cooperating and i think it is important to do so for the sake of history and for the sake of getting accountability of what really happened here that led up to this event, what happened after the election, and i think that matters. that matters going forward he had our country because this lie was pushed that lead to this day is still, still lives on today. olivia who was serving _ still, still lives on today. olivia who was serving as _ still, still lives on today. olivia who was serving as the - still, still lives on today. olivia i who was serving as the national security advisor in the white house, thank you very much indeed for coming on the programme. we are going to take a short break but do stay with us. we are going to focus on the work of the committee on the next half hour. we will also bring in ron christie and amanda to talk about the impact of generally sick. what is immune to the body politic in america? what does it mean for american democracy? —— what does it mean to the body politic? do stay with us for that. lots of shows the evening and overnight in cold enough that they will follow sleet and snow, rain band clearing away from southern and eastern areas but for all of us quite a brisk wind still carrying the show is on, some of them are pale in front of us well and even though they will prevent the temperatures been quite as low as last night they are low enough, the overnight temperatures, for frost and ice in the course following on from the rain, sleet and snow it could be quite treacherous in places with icy patches are more shells to come. the warnings on the website of a specially applicable for the northern half the country but could be a light dusting of snow further southin be a light dusting of snow further south in the hills with showers and ice at the lower levels as well. more sunny spells and chatted wintry showers through friday. southern ideas, areas and is it?. winds will be strengthening in 50 or 60 mph gusts of wind which could push an area of rain little snow to parts of wales and southern and western england and eh? as to exactly how far it will slip but north and east any way or further north we have got any way or further north we have got a game that went to the mix of showers, hail, sleet, snow and thunder two. showers, hail, sleet, snow and thundertwo. fewer showers, hail, sleet, snow and thunder two. fewer showers each of the glamping and pennines but they will penetrate through the cheshire gap and it will be another cold day when you add on the wind chill as well still feeling cold despite some in the sunshine. then through friday evening and overnight as the shallows fade a temporary frost in eastern areas before we get more rain and, yes, more hill snow coming of the atlantic. that is the low pressure system which will be in charge toward, to start the weekend. here comes the next deep area of low pressure weather fronts a spell of wet and windy weather, snow of the hills, wintry showers following on behind but the second half of the weekend with that midge of dry pressure looks a little quieter and via but this mayjust be slow to clear on saturday so getting quite a soaking in places. maybe, as i say, slow to clear eastern areas but behind it it is a little milder, temperatures getting towards double figures, nines and tens. little bit on the poolside to stats and they come of age of high pressure and some dry weather but it is mild once again for the start of next week. —— ridge of high pressure. welcome back. the house congressional committee investigating the events of january 6th is made of seven democrats and only two republicans. it is not in the fullest sense a bipartisan committee. and they have limited time available. if the republicans were to take back the house in november's midterm elections, it's clear they will shut it down as soon as they have power. so the committee will publish its report sometime in the autumn. the question is, will it bring further charges? so far, they have interviewed 300 witnesses. they've issued more than 50 subpoenas, they have trawled through 35,000 documents including bank and phone records. and the senior republican on that committee, congresswoman liz cheney, believes they already have the evidence to bring a criminal charge against the former president. a man who has demonstrated that he is at war with the rule of law, he has demonstrated that he is willing to blow through every guardrail of democracy, and he can never be anywhere near the oval office again. he's demonstrated a complete lack of fitness for office. so here are three of the key elements the committee is looking at. whether or not there was a strategy to deliberately keep donald trump in power, despite the election result that clearly showed he lost. what was donald trump's behaviour during the riot? did he do enough to stop it? was his dereliction of duty criminal? and the panel has been hearing testimony from people and security officials who experienced the violence firsthand. the hope is finding out what actually happened will help them produce recommendations to prevent such an attack ever happening again. last night, the attorney general, merrick garland, under mounting pressure from democrats, pledged that he will hold accountable all those responsible if the committee turns up the evidence. the actions we have taken thus far will not be our last. the justice department remains committed to holding alljanuary 6th perpetrators — at any level — accountable under law. let's bring in democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania, madeleine dean. lovely to have you on the programme. we will talk about the committee, but first i want to talk about you, because i have seen a picture today from a year ago of you being led to a holding room in this makeshift gas mask. i think sometimes you overlook what a traumatic event this was for many of the lawmakers who were trapped in the gallery. what does it bring back to you a year on? tim bring back to you a year on? i'm leased bring back to you a year on? i'm pleased to _ bring back to you a year on? i'm pleased to be — bring back to you a year on? tn pleased to be with you on this solemn anniversary of the attack on the capital, and attempted insurrection. i was in the gallery, observing some of the arguments being made on the floor against the confirmation of the election. we began to get a series of ad hoc announcements from the floor, telling us to prepare to sit down, july down, to get our gas masks out from under our seats. i have to tell you, i was three days into my second term, i had no idea we had gas masks under our seats. then we got the awful announcement that the capitol had been infiltrated, tear gas was deployed, put on our gas masks and await further instruction. that is the picture you see of me, where i am trying to get out, paying attention to wherever they work trying to take us to safety, talk to my family and not terrorise them if i could, but fearing for all of us in the capitol as there was counting on the doors and shattering of glass, and ultimately a gunshot that we would hear. it is an incredibly important day, a solemn day that i hope we mark and remember always, because the lies that overtook the capitol a year ago in these very hours are still a threat to our democracy today. i am very worried we must move forward. we must recommit ourselves to democracy and the protection of it. shifter recommit ourselves to democracy and the protection of it.— the protection of it. after those events, the protection of it. after those events. on _ the protection of it. after those events, on that _ the protection of it. after those events, on that night, - the protection of it. after those events, on that night, he - the protection of it. after those events, on that night, he went| the protection of it. after those - events, on that night, he went back to the chamber and 139 republicans voted not to certify the election. that makes it hard for democrats, doesn't it? reality denied. how difficult has it been for you, working across the oil from some of those people? —— working with some of those people? let those people? -- working with some of those people?— those people? -- working with some of those people? let me focus on the first half of what _ of those people? let me focus on the first half of what you _ of those people? let me focus on the first half of what you said. _ of those people? let me focus on the first half of what you said. we - of those people? let me focus on the first half of what you said. we did - first half of what you said. we did in the early hours of january seven, go back to the chamber, walking past the debris, and we went back because we thought it was our duty. i would like to focus on the majority of us who went back and voted to certify the election as was proper and constitutional. to your second point, it is absolutely incredibly difficult to work with folks on the others who voted not to certify. what it means is we don't have a common truth, it is very hard to work in unity with people who have alternative facts, who don't believe in or want to seek the truth. we want to talk— in or want to seek the truth. we want to talk about the work of the committee, because you are a lawyer and one of the impeachment managers at the impeachment of donald trump. let me ask you, do you think the department ofjustice will ever seriously consider a criminal charge against a former president? t seriously consider a criminal charge against a former president?- against a former president? i don't know, but what _ against a former president? i don't know, but what i _ against a former president? i don't know, but what i do _ against a former president? i don't know, but what i do know, - against a former president? i don't know, but what i do know, and - against a former president? i don't know, but what i do know, and thej know, but what i do know, and the attorney general said yesterday, there will be no one above the law. there is no end to their reach in terms of bringing justice and finding out the truth and bringing forward appropriate charges. if that includes the president, so be it. i also want to speak to the work of the committee. having worked with everyone of them and having served as an impeachment manager with many of them, i can tell you from first—hand experience that they are meticulously working their way... speaking to more than 300 witnesses, patriots. anybody who does not tell their side of that day, i wonder where they're patriotically duty lies. also the team of people behind them. they will piece together, fact by fact, timeline by timeline, to one of your points, about exactly what was the president doing in the 187 minutes from the time these buildings were broken into? we know from first—hand testimony that what the president was doing in part of that time was sitting in the small dining room adjacent to the oval office, watching tv gleefully, saying, rerun that, look how they are fighting for me. can you imagine any other person, who swore to defend and protect us, not taking any action for 187 minutes? it is a sign of extraordinary sickness. briefly, because i'm running short of time, but a lot of this work so far has been in private, behind closed doors. how important, given that 40% of republicans, do you think the public stage of these proceedings will be will be in january because mark —— given that 40% of republicans... it is essential. we have to shine a light on what happened through witness answers. i look forward to the public portion where i hope, in prime time, we will hear the work of this committee, we will hear from patriots and those who tried to avoid their patriotically duty, and then the american public, the world will know, what happened. we then the american public, the world will know, what happened.- will know, what happened. we are alwa s will know, what happened. we are always great _ will know, what happened. we are always great full _ will know, what happened. we are always great full for _ will know, what happened. we are always great full for your - will know, what happened. we are always great full for your time. - always great full for your time. thank you very much. the storming of the capitol stunned america, as it stunned those of us watching around the world. the last time government buildings were breached in washington was in 1814, and then the invaders were british soldiers. the congressman we heard from on the night, lou correa, was clear in his mind what had unfolded. today is the first time in probably our history that we have had violence in the capitol, to try to overthrow... to try to overthrow a peaceful transition of power from one president to the other. today, we essentially looked to certify an election of votes that have been cast for another president, and this president refuses to accept the will of the people. traitors. goons. domestic terrorists. in the immediate aftermath of the violence, the lawmakers were largely united in condemnation of those who had taken part and the president they held responsible. some hoped it might break the fever that had gripped washington. but it didn't. there are large parts of the republican party — and fox news — that have attempted to change the narrative around january 6th. among those who have had the most dramatic whiplash, the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy. the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. i talked to president trump about it. i was the first person to contact him when the riots was going on — he didn't see it. but he ended the call with saying, telling me, he'll put something out to make sure to stop this. and that's what he did — he put a video out later. likewise republican senator lindsey graham, who made no secret of who he thought was responsible, but has since changed his mind. the president needs - to understand that his actions were the problem, not the solution. he will position himself- as the alternative to joe biden. he, i think, will make a speech that will unify republicans on policy. - i think he has been. working the phones. i was with him all weekend. he wants us to win in 2022. stay tuned, i think. you are going to see, over the next couple of months, donald trump lead the - republican party on policy. i'm joined now from washington by ron christie former adviser to president george w bush, and from oakland california by democratic strategist amanda renteria. thank you both for being with us. why do you think senior republican figures did not take the opportunity when it was presented a year ago to step away from the former president? good evening. one word i would use is fear. they are very afraid of donald trump. they are afraid of what the former president might do for their elective for office. are you going to siphon the money away? i believe this is a dereliction of duty. you take an oath to uphold the constitution and defend the united states, not an oath to support donald trump. many leaders are now going to pay the price for this through their voters. you going to pay the price for this through their voters.- going to pay the price for this through their voters. you are not a reuular through their voters. you are not a regular republican _ through their voters. you are not a regular republican voice _ through their voters. you are not a regular republican voice we - through their voters. you are not a regular republican voice we would | regular republican voice we would hear when it comes to what happened. if you don't mind be saying, you are much more moderate. how difficult has this been for the republican party today? tt has this been for the republican party today?— has this been for the republican party today? it is difficult for me personally- _ party today? it is difficult for me personally- i— party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have _ party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have lost _ party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have lost a - party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have lost a lot - party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have lost a lot of. personally. i have lost a lot of friends personally, who believe that donald trump had the election stolen from him. it flies in the face of reason and logic. but they believe it. 70% of republican voters believe that the former president had the election stolen. for those of us who follow the rule of law and understand thatjoe biden, whether you like it or not, was duly elected president of the united states, it is difficult to convince people who are so bottled into this notion of trump as their legitimate president. we have just heard that it is really hard to sit opposite republicans who voted against certifying the election. we don't have a common truth, she said. how is the country supposed to heal when congress cannot even heal?— supposed to heal when congress cannot even heal? yeah, this is the ruestion cannot even heal? yeah, this is the question we — cannot even heal? yeah, this is the question we will _ cannot even heal? yeah, this is the question we will answer— cannot even heal? yeah, this is the question we will answer throughout this mid—term cycle, throughout the election. _ this mid—term cycle, throughout the election, going into 2024. what today— election, going into 2024. what today was— election, going into 2024. what today was about was trying to make sure, _ today was about was trying to make sure. if _ today was about was trying to make sure, if there is anyway to bring back— sure, if there is anyway to bring back that — sure, if there is anyway to bring back that collective energy that was together _ back that collective energy that was together at that very moment when they were _ together at that very moment when they were under attack... it is tough — they were under attack... it is tough to— they were under attack... it is tough to make that connections if republicans decide it did not exist, that will— republicans decide it did not exist, that will be difficult. but for history. _ that will be difficult. but for history, even for the party to come together— history, even for the party to come together and remember that we were able to— together and remember that we were able to come together, vote in the middle _ able to come together, vote in the middle of— able to come together, vote in the middle of the night and make sure that democracy was saved, at least for that— that democracy was saved, at least for that moment. what you heard today— for that moment. what you heard today from — for that moment. what you heard today from biden is a very serious tone _ today from biden is a very serious tone about — today from biden is a very serious tone about what we are going forward _ tone about what we are going forward. he talked about saving the soul of— forward. he talked about saving the soul of this — forward. he talked about saving the soul of this nation, fighting for the soul— soul of this nation, fighting for the soul of this nation. we literally— the soul of this nation. we literally are doing that now. that journey — literally are doing that now. that journeyjust started on january six, it did _ journeyjust started on january six, it did not _ journeyjust started on january six, it did not end. that is a big piece of today, — it did not end. that is a big piece of today, reminding people that we could _ of today, reminding people that we could be _ of today, reminding people that we could be there again and if we forget — could be there again and if we forget it— could be there again and if we forget it or if people are not held accountable, we will be there again. it is incumbent on all of us to set in place — it is incumbent on all of us to set in place the — it is incumbent on all of us to set in place the right kind of tone and relationship and fight in order to -et relationship and fight in order to get back— relationship and fight in order to get back out democracy. why relationship and fight in order to get back out democracy. why has it been so hard _ get back out democracy. why has it been so hard for _ get back out democracy. why has it been so hard for the _ get back out democracy. why has it been so hard for the democrats - get back out democracy. why has it been so hard for the democrats to l been so hard for the democrats to dispel the big lie? t been so hard for the democrats to dispel the big lie?— been so hard for the democrats to dispel the big lie? i think when you have as disseminated _ dispel the big lie? i think when you have as disseminated information i dispel the big lie? i think when you i have as disseminated information and a platform _ have as disseminated information and a platform like trump, utilising his voice. _ a platform like trump, utilising his voice. even — a platform like trump, utilising his voice, even after an election, that makes _ voice, even after an election, that makes it— voice, even after an election, that makes it very difficult to bring the country— makes it very difficult to bring the country together. we never have had a president— country together. we never have had a president that came on and use their— a president that came on and use their platform in anyway possible, with bombastic rhetoric, to actually further— with bombastic rhetoric, to actually further divide. that isn't... presidents and candidates know how important _ presidents and candidates know how important it is after the election doesn't — important it is after the election doesn't go their way to bring the country— doesn't go their way to bring the country back together again, and the usually— country back together again, and the usually play a productive role in that process. this is the first time we have _ that process. this is the first time we have seen the active existence of saying. _ we have seen the active existence of saying. this — we have seen the active existence of saying, this isn't right, or bringing _ saying, this isn't right, or bringing down the democracy because you didn't _ bringing down the democracy because you didn't win. that is the very thing _ you didn't win. that is the very thing we — you didn't win. that is the very thing we have heard from democrats today _ thing we have heard from democrats today. where are my republican counterparts right now? we know you can be _ counterparts right now? we know you can be there, because you were there onjanuary— can be there, because you were there onjanuary six, we all ended up on the house — onjanuary six, we all ended up on the house floor. where can we bring that spirit— the house floor. where can we bring that spirit back again? that the house floor. where can we bring that spirit back again?— that spirit back again? that is how ou aet that spirit back again? that is how you get back- _ that spirit back again? that is how you get back. the _ that spirit back again? that is how you get back. the president - that spirit back again? that is how you get back. the president said i you get back. the president said today, america needs to ask whether it will be a nation that lives not by the light of the truth but in the shadow of lies. there are 106 t3 republicans right now running for state office who have bought into the big lie, and some of them in future will have control of state local elections. —— 163 republicans right now. how do you stop it? t right now. how do you stop it? i think the constituencies for right now. how do you stop it? t think the constituencies for these potential elected officials are seeking elected office can stop them. joe biden was elected the 46th president. these individuals have put forward no proof, no evidence, no court in the united states has offered any sort of validation for the notion that donald trump had the election stolen from him. if you are seeking higher elective office and you are running on this platform, constituents should look at you and say, if you cannot accept a simple, basic truth that one individual lost an election, why should we put you in the position of that office, whatever it is, to represent us. that is what republicans need to do. good to see you. we know by now, there will never be a widely agreed history of what took place onjanuary 6th. there are two alternate narratives — pushed by partisan media — that cannot, at least in the short term, ever be reconciled. today, on the anniversary, the president's former chief strategist, steve bannon, hosted republican congressman and trump supporter matt gaetz, who views it this way. we're proud of the work that we did onjanuary 6th... that's right. ..to make legitimate arguments about election integrity. so, we're going to make those arguments today... absolutely. ..in a press conference at 2:15pm, and we're actually going to go walk the grounds that patriotic americans walked from the white house to the capitol, who had no intent of breaking the law. the events of january 6th have entrenched positions, such that there are elements on both sides who now feel violence against the government would be legitimate to defend their interests. 34% of the american's polled by the washington post and the university of maryland said it would bejustified under certain circumstances, which is considerably higher than the figures in past surveys. along partisan lines, 23% of democrats agreed it may be necessary to defend democracy, while 40% of republicans voters who were polled thought violence might be justified to defend their way of life. and for independent voters, that number was 41%. returning to a familiar theme, earlier today, president biden spoke about a battle for the soul of america, claiming that donald trump and the mob that attacked the capitol represented views opposed to the core of american values. we must decide — what kind of nation are we going to be? are we going to be a nation that accepts political violence as a norm? are we going to be a nation where we allow partisan election officials to overturn the legally expressed will of the people? are we going to be a nation that lives not by the light of the truth but in the shadow of lies? we cannot allow ourselves to be that kind of nation. with me is bryan lanza, former communications director for trump's transition team. nice to see you again. thank you for coming on. nice to see you again. thank you for coming on-— nice to see you again. thank you for coming on-_ we - nice to see you again. thank you for. coming on._ we have coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about — coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about the _ coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about the elephant _ coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about the elephant in - coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about the elephant in the - to talk about the elephant in the room, which is that donald trump is the favourite to run for republicans in 2024. do you still think that is a reality? t in 2024. do you still think that is a reali ? ~ , a reality? i think he is the favourite _ a reality? i think he is the favourite to _ a reality? i think he is the favourite to win the - a reality? i think he is the - favourite to win the presidency in 2024. right now, he has an unstoppablejuggernaut. t5 2024. right now, he has an unstoppable juggernaut. unstoppable “uggernaut. is there an hinu unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that _ unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that could _ unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that could come - unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that could come out - unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that could come out ofl unstoppable juggernaut. is there i anything that could come out of the committee enquiry that might come out of the documents we might see in the next year, that might refocus republican minds? t the next year, that might refocus republican minds?— the next year, that might refocus republican minds? i think senator mcconnell said _ republican minds? i think senator mcconnell said it _ republican minds? i think senator mcconnell said it right, _ republican minds? i think senator| mcconnell said it right, ultimately, there will be legal resolution to this as opposed to a political resolution. so the commission is a political resolution, but through that you are seeing criminal referral is going to justice. i think we will ultimately see some type of referral about president trump, this is the opportunity to move into a criminal proceeding. tt move into a criminal proceeding. if he does run, the obvious danger for he does run, the obvious dangerfor republicans is it becomes about the last election and his personal grievance, right?— grievance, right? that is the bi est grievance, right? that is the biggest challenge, _ grievance, right? that is the biggest challenge, correct. i grievance, right? that is the i biggest challenge, correct. but may be the biggest _ biggest challenge, correct. but may be the biggest danger _ biggest challenge, correct. but may be the biggest danger for _ biggest challenge, correct. but may be the biggest danger for america i biggest challenge, correct. but may| be the biggest danger for america is he further questions the integrity of the electoral process. who knows, maybe he can test it again? how damaging without the two american democracy? tt damaging without the two american democra ? : , damaging without the two american democra ? . , , damaging without the two american democra ? , ., ., democracy? it has been damaging, i often tell people _ democracy? it has been damaging, i often tell people when _ democracy? it has been damaging, i often tell people when we _ democracy? it has been damaging, i often tell people when we have i often tell people when we have conversations, one of the things you take pride in is an american was 245 years of peaceful transition. that is something we held with pride. we are at zero now, we reset that, and it hurts and it damages our brand when we talk about democracy and this shining city on the hill. that said, the voters choose the direction of politics. they are motivated, at least in the united states, by one thing, their economic interests. it is the economy, stupid, as was once said. very few people thought that republicans could survive january six, and now they are talking about president trump winning in 2024. it has given us the space and opportunity to appeal to the people we have lost in the past. 50 appeal to the people we have lost in the ast. , ., the past. so it is about the economy. _ the past. so it is about the economy, his _ the past. so it is about the economy, his handling i the past. so it is about the economy, his handling of i the past. so it is about the i economy, his handling of the coronavirus crisis, his splits in the democratic party, that opens the door. listening to some of the reaction on both sides today, i wonder if americans these days dislike the other party more than they like their own. is that it? does the hate trump everything? cable television leads to this food fight we have every day. i am a student and a participant in the little theatre and i believe that rewards those type of exaggerated conversations that president trump perfected and no other politicians —— and now other politicians are aping. that is rewarded by cable television. we are talking about instagram being bad for young kids, cable television is bad for adults. good to see. always good to get your thoughts. gary o'donoghue is in washington for us tonight. he will be here for the bbc�*s continuing coverage. and i understand, gary, there will be a vigil in about half an hour's time that the president will attend? yes, there will be a visual on the capitol steps. we will see if he turns up to that. that is one of those moments that will be ceremonial during this day. americans like their vigils, as you know. this will be an important symbol of remembrance, if you like, particularfor symbol of remembrance, if you like, particular for those who lost their lives, those police officers who died afterwards. that will be a key moment in the coming days. i have been to a press conference, and the to republicans who are here today, they are trying to fly the flag for that continuing narrative about january six last year.— that continuing narrative about january six last year. gary, you are a long-time _ january six last year. gary, you are a long-time observer _ january six last year. gary, you are a long-time observer of _ january six last year. gary, you are a long-time observer of american | a long—time observer of american politics, and we are a year on from such a dramatic moment in american history. i will give you the final word. where do you think we have arrived at a year on? americans are living in parallel universes. there is almost a brick wall between the two parts of this country, this 2—party state. they are in their own universes, in their own echo chambers. there is a real question here about what continues to unite america, if anything? it is a real danger. it is a real danger to a country that hasn't been around all that long, let's face it, in the grand scheme of things. it has had a huge number of ructions through the year, a civil war, who is to say that anything like that may happen again or not? but they are not talking the same language, both sides, simply not talking the same language. that is incredibly difficult to resolve. you will remember whicheverfounding difficult to resolve. you will remember whichever founding father it was who said a republic, if you can keep it. it was who said a republic, if you can keep it— it was who said a republic, if you can kee it. . , ., :, can keep it. that is important now. thank you- — can keep it. that is important now. thank you- i _ can keep it. that is important now. thank you. twill— can keep it. that is important now. thank you. i will bring _ can keep it. that is important now. thank you. i will bring you - can keep it. that is important now. thank you. i will bring you some i thank you. i will bring you some live pictures from washington. these are the supporters ofjoe biden at the democrats, calling for the senate and mr biden to enact the freedom to vote act, a voting rights bill, and another bill reforming oversights of the executive branch. it is a reasonably sized crowd out there. we don't know whether president biden will show up to this. but the uc congress when ruskin, who was a senior impeachment manager at the second it and of donotreply, just taking to the stage. —— the second impeachment of donald trump. goodbye. hello there. it certainly felt cold out and about today, and here in nottinghamshire, a light covering of snow as our weather front went through. in fact, more significant snow further north. this driving area of low pressure, as well, will feed in lots more showers through this evening and overnight, and it's cold enough that they will fall as sleet and snow. the rain band clearing away from southern and eastern areas, but for all of us, quite a brisk wind still carrying those showers in, some of them with hail and thunder as well. and even though they will prevent the temperatures being quite as low as last night, they are low enough, the overnight temperatures, forfrost and ice, and of course following on from the rain, the sleet and the snow, it could be quite treacherous in places with icy patches and more snow showers to come. there are warnings on the website, especially applicable for the northern half of the country. it could be a light dusting of snow further south on the hills from those showers and ice at lower levels as well. so, it's more sunny spells and scattered wintry showers through friday. even in southern areas is the question mark, winds will be strengthening, 50—60 mph gusts of wind in the channel later, but it could push in this area of rain with hill snow to parts of wales and southern and western england. some question marks as to exactly how far north and east it'll slip, but north and east anyway, or further north, we've got again that wintry mix, showers with some hail, sleet and snow and some thunder, too. fewer showers east of the grampians, east of the pennines, but they will penetrate through the cheshire gap, and it will be another cold day when you add on the wind chill as well, still feeling cold despite some wintry sunshine. then through friday evening and overnight, as the showers fade, a temporary frost in eastern areas before we get more rain and, yes, more hill snow coming in off the atlantic. that's the low pressure system which will be in charge to start the weekend. here it comes, the next deep area of low pressure. these weather fronts bringing us a spell of wet and windy weather, some snow over the hills, some wintry showers following on behind, but the second half of the weekend, with that ridge of high pressure, looks a little quieter, a little drier. but this mayjust be slow to clear on saturday, so giving quite a soaking in places. maybe, as i say, slow to clear eastern areas, but behind it, it is a little milder. temperatures getting towards double figures, nines and tens. a little bit on the cool side to start sunday. we've got that ridge of high pressure, so some drier weather, but it's milder once again for the start of next week.

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repeating his false claims about the election and accusing joe biden of destroying the nation. on the house floor, the speaker nancy pelosi holds a moment of silence for those who died. more than 700 people have been arrested in connection with that day so far. this hour we will speak to the attorney general for the district of colombia. hello, good evening. it is january 6th, and a year to the day, that i sat here, in this studio, reporting on the mayhem unfolding on the steps of the us capitol. marking that anniversary president biden has made it clear who he thinks was responsible and why — donald trump, the first president in us history to refuse to accept the results of an election and submit to a peaceful transfer of power. some decribe those events as a coup, or an insurrection. but by the time they took place the attempt had already failed. at that moment, on that day, the vice president was in the senate chamber overseeing the certification of the election result, which mr trump and his supporters had spent weeks trying to subvert. we will never give up. we will never concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede when there is death in power. and we fight. we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country any more. over the next ten days we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots_ the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are wrong and if we are wrong _ ballots that are wrong and if we are wrong we _ ballots that are wrong and if we are wrong we will be made. but if we right— wrong we will be made. but if we right a _ wrong we will be made. but if we right a lot — wrong we will be made. but if we right a lot of them will to jail. sow — so... applause let's have trial by combat. applause let's have trial by combat. while the president was at the ellipse urging his supporters to fight, the mob was already at the police line, on the western side of the capitol. screaming. ighting their way into the building, where lawmakers were by this point running for their lives romney)this was senator mitt romney, who weeks later would vote to convict the president at his impeachment. a capitol officer eugene goodman intercepted the rioters and bravely diverted them away from the senate chamber pence it gave the secret service precious time to evacuate the vice president, as the mob outside the capitol chanted for him to be hanged. over several hours that followed, the mob scoured the congressional offices, hunting for the lawmakers who were hiding. as the confederate flag was paraded through the halls of congress. and all the while — for three long hours — the president stayed in the white house to watch it unfold on tv. over the couse of the next hour we are going to break that day — and the year that has followed — into its consitituents parts. the mob, the capitol police, the events that unfolded in the white house. we will look at the congressional inquiry. and we will ask what it means for american democracy today, a year on. so lets begin with the trump supporters. and the stop the steal rally, that preceded the violence at the capitol. one of the key organisers of that event was dustin stockton, who together with his wife, jennifer lawrence, had been touring the country since the election, advancing the presidents' unfounded claims that the election had been stolen. we need them to look at the evidence that this election was stolen and then do the right thing because if our votes don't count, nothing counts. we're going to try to give you guys real—time updates about what's happening in the capitol, if it goes to the supreme court, and where we need people to be. dustin stockton and jennifer lawrence were subpoenad and have since given evidence to the january 6th committee. mr stockton, said the panel, was concerned that the rally at the ellipse — which he helped to organise — would lead to a march to the capitol, that would mean "possible danger" which he said "felt unsafe," and these concerns were escalated to white house chief of staff mark meadows. dustin and jennifer are with us. welcome to the programme. thank you forjoining us. i want to come first to the subpoena on the evidence you have supplied to the committee because i can get is an important understand right from the outset to whether this attack on the capital was spontaneous or whether you think it was preplanned? it was preplanned 7 well, it was preplanned? well, so, that is a distinction here thatis well, so, that is a distinction here that is really important. there were several different groups organising. we brought people to dc three separate times in november and december as part of the nationwide tours we were doing. we had concerns about some of the other organising factors and the previous events that we have been fighting with and working to prevent them from having access or even stage time and definitely not any leadership ordered the organiser role. it is clear that there was well funded, when organised effort to lead people to the capital, is to rile them up and to commit violence that day. and he was behind that? who was behind the? treatment the reason we turned everything over is our hope is that the committee investigation will get to the bottom of that. from public reporting since it seems clear that there were probably members of the administration who are participating. jennifer, if you knew that this was going to go south, that this was going to go south, that things were going to get out of hand, why isjustin on stage and why you still there? 50. hand, why is justin on stage and why you still there?— you still there? so, we never... we never spoke — you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at _ you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at the _ you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at the ellipse. - you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at the ellipse. we - you still there? so, we never... we never spoke at the ellipse. we did l never spoke at the ellipse. we did most _ never spoke at the ellipse. we did most of— never spoke at the ellipse. we did most of the majority of our speaking in between november and january five. in between november and january five but— in between november and january five. but up until that point, i mean. — five. but up until that point, i mean. we _ five. but up until that point, i mean, we have held nationwide rallies— mean, we have held nationwide rallies all— mean, we have held nationwide rallies all across the country i thinking — rallies all across the country i thinking 27 states leading up to jenny— thinking 27 states leading up to jenny the sixth and we have been organising — jenny the sixth and we have been organising for over a decade. sorry, when ou organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say _ organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say you — organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say you never _ organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say you never spoke - organising for over a decade. sorry, when you say you never spoke at i organising for over a decade. sorry, | when you say you never spoke at the ellipse we just played the clip of justin on stage talking at ellipse. that was january five. that justin on stage talking at ellipse. that was january five.— that was january five. that was renerall that was january five. that was generally fifth. _ that was january five. that was generally fifth. so this - that was january five. that was generally fifth. so this was - that was january five. that was generally fifth. so this was the | that was january five. that was . generally fifth. so this was the day before? and _ generally fifth. so this was the day before? and we _ generally fifth. so this was the day before? and we had _ generally fifth. so this was the day before? and we had escalated - generally fifth. so this was the day before? and we had escalated our| before? and we had escalated our concerns about _ before? and we had escalated our concerns about a _ before? and we had escalated our concerns about a potential- before? and we had escalated our concerns about a potential march | before? and we had escalated our i concerns about a potential march to the capital and everyone we knew at the capital and everyone we knew at the top level of the administration and our expectation and we were on the record onjanuary and our expectation and we were on the record on january five and our expectation and we were on the record onjanuary five staying this we expected everyone to stay at the ellipse throughout the entire day and that they would be no organised event at the capitol and the secret service would be in charge of that and that's part of the evidence we turned over to the house committee so for us we take the safety and responsibility of the people who came out to each of our events very seriously. we did not anticipate that that match was going to happen or anything was going to happen at the capitol and went president trump pointed people to go to the capitol that was kind of comedy like, yeah, pivotal movement. i want to come back to that. i want to play an excerpt from joe biden's speech at the capitol. have a listen. the third big lie being told by our former president i and supporters says the mob who sought to impose - their wills through violence i are the nation's true patriots. is that what you thought - when you looked at the mob ransacking the capitol? destroying property, literally defecating in the hallways? i rifling through the desks - of senators and representatives? hunting down members of congress? patriots? not in my view. i don't know if the two of you consider yourself patriots but clearly in the run—up to january the 6th and you have just set this out. jennifer, you would touring the country spoon feeding the bass alive. that the election was stolen. and there was no evidence of that. spoon feeding the base a lie. president trump was presenting evidence — president trump was presenting evidence after the election leading up evidence after the election leading up to— evidence after the election leading up tojenny sic. evidence after the election leading up to jenny sic. we were told that they had — up to jenny sic. we were told that they had the receipts on january six was supposed to be the day that they presented _ was supposed to be the day that they presented that evidence that they had been — presented that evidence that they had been talking about this whole time _ had been talking about this whole time |_ had been talking about this whole time. ., , ~ had been talking about this whole time. ., , ,, ., had been talking about this whole time. ., , ~ ., ., time. i would 'ust like to say to our time. i would 'ust like to say to your point — time. i would just like to say to your point that _ time. i would just like to say to your point that people - time. i would just like to say to your point that people who - time. i would just like to say to - your point that people who ransacked the building, the 700 people who have been arrested, the people committed violence, were a tiny fraction of the people who came out to peacefully exercise their rights that day. we denounce them, we have worked to denounce them since immediately afterwards in no uncertain terms. the people who ransacked the capitol are violent thugs and deserved to be punished. the people who showed up to washington, dc, the hundreds of thousands of people who were there, the overwhelming majority deplore any acts of violence. they did not participate in any of that. and we see ourselves as representing those people because we in all of our career we have never advocated for violence. there is a difference between political hyperbole and actual violence and... we... but between political hyperbole and actualviolence and... we... actual violence and... we... but you feel the most? _ actual violence and... we... but you feelthe most? do _ actual violence and... we... but you feel the most? do you _ actual violence and. .. we... but you feel the most? do you feel- feel the most? do you feel remorseful feeding the lie? —— feel the most? do you feel remorsefulfeeding the lie? —— do you feel remorse for feeding the lie? do you on the anniversary of that event feel some responsibility for what took place?— for what took place? there is definitely _ for what took place? there is definitely a — for what took place? there is definitely a deep _ for what took place? there is definitely a deep sense - for what took place? there is definitely a deep sense of... | for what took place? there is - definitely a deep sense of... this year has been tough. we have wrestled with guilt and shame. just ruickl , wrestled with guilt and shame. just quickly, though, ithink wrestled with guilt and shame. just quickly, though, i think what is interesting about you to issue a source of reflective of the people who were there that day because you are split, the two of you now, and how you feel about donald trump and the role he played in it. if i am right, dustin you have washed your hands of him butjennifer, do you still hold a candle for him? that hands of him but jennifer, do you still hold a candle for him? that is somethin: still hold a candle for him? that is something i— still hold a candle for him? that is something i have _ still hold a candle for him? that is something i have had _ still hold a candle for him? that is something i have had to _ still hold a candle for him? that is i something i have had to wrestle with over the _ something i have had to wrestle with over the past year and something i have always held up as one of the things— have always held up as one of the things i_ have always held up as one of the things i most admired about president trump was his ability to lead people and be a good leader. and. _ lead people and be a good leader. and, unfortunately, onjanuary the 6th is— and, unfortunately, onjanuary the 6th is leadership failed and i see this as _ 6th is leadership failed and i see this as a — 6th is leadership failed and i see this as a huge, you know, a stain on our country — this as a huge, you know, a stain on our country it— this as a huge, you know, a stain on our country. it is something that is horrible _ our country. it is something that is horrible it — our country. it is something that is horrible it is — our country. it is something that is horrible. it is something that should — horrible. it is something that should never have happened. nobody's life should have been put in danger like that— life should have been put in danger like that when you are a leader you are supposed to give people hope and you are _ are supposed to give people hope and you are supposed to give them facts and, you are supposed to give them facts and. you _ you are supposed to give them facts and, you know, leave them in the proper— and, you know, leave them in the proper direction and i don't think president — proper direction and i don't think president trump did that and it is something i have had to wrestle with and i something i have had to wrestle with and i would _ something i have had to wrestle with and i would truly question his leadership now and i were truly guestion. — leadership now and i were truly question, you know, what his intentions _ question, you know, what his intentions are and i think moving forward — intentions are and i think moving forward it— intentions are and i think moving forward it is something we all have to take _ forward it is something we all have to take a _ forward it is something we all have to take a really serious look at. there _ to take a really serious look at. there is— to take a really serious look at. there is a — to take a really serious look at. there is a difference between his accomplishments that he accomplished as president but when you fail to leave _ as president but when you fail to leave iike — as president but when you fail to leave like she did injanuary the 6th, _ leave like she did injanuary the 6th, i_ leave like she did injanuary the 6th, i mean, that tarnishes everything. —— when you fail to lead like she _ everything. —— when you fail to lead like she did — everything. -- when you fail to lead like she did-— like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence. _ like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence, thank— like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence, thank you _ like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence, thank you for - like she did. dustin and jennifer lawrence, thank you for coming like she did. dustin and jennifer - lawrence, thank you for coming on. a violent clash with a mob of angry rioters was not the battle the capitol police were prepared for that day or equipped to win. many of the officers on duty had never before made an arrest, much the intelligence failures are now well documented. three days before the attack, an internal intelligence report described what would occur with extraordinary accuracy. "stop the steal�*s propensity," it said "to attract white supremacists, militia members and others who actively promote violence may lead to a significantly dangerous situation for law enforcement and the general public alike." so how do those officers, deal with the anniversary today, and how do they feel about the failures in intelligence. officer harry dunn has been speaking to my colleague, laura trevelyan. my my day was basically filled with just surviving get home. i did have a moment to sit down. once we had a little bit of hope in the building i was able to reflect. that is when the infamous line, is this america, i was able to sit down with one of my friends and we talked about our experiences from that day. and i began to sob and i began to cry about... notjust what happened but, i guess, the state of our country and it was a very, very, very disheartening and i would say that was the low point of that day. let's bring in the attorney generalfor the district of columbia, karl racine. lovely to have you on the programme. the officers who were there that day went to that trauma need answers. how many ounces you think you have provided? this how many ounces you think you have rovided? �* , , ., how many ounces you think you have rovided? ~ , i. ~ ., , ., provided? as you know, christian, thank ou provided? as you know, christian, thank you so _ provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much _ provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much a _ provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much a first - provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much a first for - provided? as you know, christian, thank you so much a first for this i thank you so much a first for this opportunity to talk on the bbc but the officers who responded, though capitol hill police officers like harry dunn fought valiantly to protect america's freedom. as you know, the insurrectionists sought to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. they not only injured capitol hill officers, some of whom died, they also injured and were responsible for the deaths of dc police officers who went to support capitol hill officers. to answer your question, i don't think that the entire truth has yet to be revealed. in terms of what the federal government at that time, run by president trump, knew about the dangers and threats to the capitol and why the federal government did not protect the united states capital. if i could just compare what happened onjanuary 6th to what happened five months earlier, six months earlier injune, right in advance of a black lie is nasa protest. you will remember president trump commissioned tens of thousands of law enforcement to show forth from faults against peaceful protesters stop —— black lives matter protest. peaceful protesters who were only protesting for equal treatment for black americans. juxtapose that with what we saw as a failure of defence of the capitol. answers are still pending. 50. failure of defence of the capitol. answers are still pending. so, 725 --eole answers are still pending. so, 725 people have _ answers are still pending. so, 725 people have been _ answers are still pending. so, 725 people have been prosecuted - answers are still pending. so, 725 people have been prosecuted so i answers are still pending. so, 725 i people have been prosecuted so far. there were many, many more who were at the capitol steps that day. there was the character who placed pipe bombs outside the offices of the rnc and the dnc. where are you with the investigations into that? so and the dnc. where are you with the investigations into that?— investigations into that? so the officer and _ investigations into that? so the officer and attorney _ investigations into that? so the officer and attorney general. investigations into that? so the j officer and attorney general for investigations into that? so the - officer and attorney general for the district of columbia is not the federal department ofjustice nor the federal prosecutors. but we are is a distinct suffering entity that represents the interests of district residents and what we have done about this is brought suit against the proud boys, the oath keepers and over 30 individuals who caused grief this damage to dc police officers. —— grievous damage. let me tell you that the metropolitan police officers have died since the attack via suicide and many other officers are going through holy hell and mental health trauma. —— three have died. so what we're doing is going to hold those groups, proud boys, oath keepers and 30 plus individuals accountable for conspiring and planning and implementing hand to the district of columbia. that is what we are going to do and we're going to make them pay financially. is it within your v mate if you are looking at those who are orchestrating the violence on that day, is it within your remit to prosecute senior figures within the administration who you have just heard our last guest hold responsible for what went on? the short answer _ responsible for what went on? tue: short answer is responsible for what went on? tte: short answer is yes. responsible for what went on? tt9: short answer is yes. i responsible for what went on? tt9 short answer is yes. i was suit was filed a few weeks ago, and i have to tell you that our partners the and high defamation leak on a state united, and to great law firms, particularly on over the evidence in this case —— anti—defamation league, states united. stage one is against planners, conspired as and actual participants. our investigation continues and we will not be inhibited by title nor position and we're going to hold people responsible where we believe we can prove a civil case. just responsible where we believe we can prove a civil case-— prove a civil case. just very quickly. — prove a civil case. just very quickly. you _ prove a civil case. just very quickly, you talk— prove a civil case. just very quickly, you talk about - prove a civil case. just very - quickly, you talk about holding people responsible for incitement to violence and yet the president has talked today about a coup, about an in selection, so why are you not prosecuting on charges of sedition or treating? prosecuting on charges of sedition ortreating? —— prosecuting on charges of sedition or treating? —— and insurrection. that is because, to be quite honest, i do not have the authority is the attorney general for the district of columbia. look at us as a state and our authority is unfortunately limited to civil. i do not have the authority criminally. what i can do is what we are doing and that is hitting the responsible parties where the accounts, financially. acting against people financially and making them pay for the damage they cause financially as an american value, a western democratic value and we're going to make sure that happens. value and we're going to make sure that happens-— that happens. very good to talk to ou aaain. that happens. very good to talk to you again. thank— that happens. very good to talk to you again. thank you _ that happens. very good to talk to you again. thank you for - that happens. very good to talk to you again. thank you for coming i that happens. very good to talk to i you again. thank you for coming on. a year on the house select committee is still trying to figure out what went wrong and who was ultimately responsible. there are a lot of things that should have occurred that didn't, but was that by design? the committee is uncovering new evidence, including a timeline, of what president trump did — or did not do that day — including a body of evidence, they say, shows he willfully chose not to stop the violence despite pleas from his own children. donald trumpjnr, who sent texts in real time wrote, "he's got to condemn this asap. "the capitol police tweet is not enough." there were texts from fox news anchors who urged white house chief of staff mark meadows to get the president to call off the rioters. laura ingraham messaged: "this is hurting all of us. "he is destroying his legacy." brian kilmeade said: "please get him on tv. in an interview aired today the former communications director and press secretary for the trump administration stephanie grisham talked about what she saw that day in the white house. she said that she didn't know who specifically spoke to donald trump, but she did know what he was doing. all i know about that day was that he was in the dining been gleefully watching on his tv as he often did, look at all of the people fighting for me, hitting rewind, watching it again. that is what i know. eventually the president did appear, hours after the capitol was stormed, in a message taped outside the white house, in which he urged his supporters to go home. you have to have peace. so go home. we love you. we have seen what happens. we have seen those of us were so bad and so evil. i know you feel. —— i know how you feel. let's bring in olivia troye, former homeland security adviser to vice president mike pence. we wa nt we want to understand we are going to put up a map of the geography of the white house five years in the west wing. the president was supposedly watching television in the dining room next to the alluvial office. where is that in relation to his desk and more importantly, i suppose, who would have access to that name?— that name? well, it is immediately connected to _ that name? well, it is immediately connected to the _ that name? well, it is immediately connected to the oval— that name? well, it is immediately connected to the oval office. - that name? well, it is immediately connected to the oval office. this | connected to the oval office. this is a direct access wing where he actually didn't have to even walk into the whole way to access that so it would be be in a circle, it would be the inner echelon of access in the west wing. mostly the president's immediate staff, some of the most senior white house officials have access to it and my understanding was that general kellogg, the former vice president's national security adviser, he had been known to go in and out of the dining room and the oval office repeatedly and i think that he was also there that day engaging, is my understanding. so we're talking about the most senior loans, levels of the white house and of course the president's family. —— the most senior realms. president's family. -- the most senior realms.— president's family. -- the most senior realms. let's be clear that kello: . senior realms. let's be clear that kellon is senior realms. let's be clear that kellogg is the — senior realms. let's be clear that kellogg is the national _ senior realms. let's be clear that kellogg is the national security i kellogg is the national security adviser for the president kellogg is the national security adviserfor the president and has his finger on the pulse of everything that is going on in the country should have an also have access to television the president is watching and he had given, there on the right of the president, he has given testimony, we understand, to the committee. it is likely, is it not, that he was able to point out to the president what was happening on the capitol steps? t happening on the capitol steps? i have no doubt. i mean, this is a retired military officer and i am sure that he was concerned, gravely concerned about watching them unfold and never mind the fact that the covent sitting vice president of the united states was in the building and his life was being put in danger as well as the life of his family and the leaders of our country. but i also and the leaders of our country. but i also want — and the leaders of our country. but i also want to understand from your insight into how things work in the west wing is what would be documented. because of course president trump is trying to stop the release of his white house records at the supreme court. what would be in those records? how detailed the baby?— would be in those records? how detailed the baby? well, i think the issue here is _ detailed the baby? well, i think the issue here is twofold. _ detailed the baby? well, i think the issue here is twofold. whether - detailed the baby? well, i think the issue here is twofold. whether they were e—mail exchanges sent, frantic e—mails expressing concern across the staff addressed chief of staff mark meadows, the chief of staff at the time to draw from, what was said between the staff, i would say between the staff, i would say between the staff, i would say between the vice president, vice president's team and donald trump's team. all of that is critical to this. i think my concern is that this. i think my concern is that this is a white house that also was known to conduct business on encrypted messaging apps and so i think they had a question is what would be exchanged via text messages on these encrypted apps and is there any record of than that exists and whether there will be to them. we heard from liz cheney, senior republican on the committee this week saying that she has first—hand evidence that the president's children were warning him of what would happen, the fact that he needed to intervene. mark meadows has supplied his documents. chief kergg has supplied his documents. chief kellogg has given evidence. does that appear to you that the wall of resistance donald trump has built to try and stop the work of the committee, is that crumbling? t do committee, is that crumbling? i do believe so- — committee, is that crumbling? i do believe so- i— committee, is that crumbling? i do believe so. i think _ committee, is that crumbling? t if believe so. i think you have got a group of people here who at times have cooperated although we have seen, you know, people like mark meadows share information and then back away and back down from that but i do think to my understanding that we are seeing the reporting that we are seeing the reporting that the vice president's team is cooperating and i think it is important to do so for the sake of history and for the sake of getting accountability of what really happened here that led up to this event, what happened after the election, and i think that matters. that matters going forward he had our country because this lie was pushed that lead to this day is still, still lives on today. olivia who was serving _ still, still lives on today. olivia who was serving as _ still, still lives on today. olivia who was serving as the - still, still lives on today. olivia i who was serving as the national security advisor in the white house, thank you very much indeed for coming on the programme. we are going to take a short break but do stay with us. we are going to focus on the work of the committee on the next half hour. we will also bring in ron christie and amanda to talk about the impact of generally sick. what is immune to the body politic in america? what does it mean for american democracy? —— what does it mean to the body politic? do stay with us for that. lots of shows the evening and overnight in cold enough that they will follow sleet and snow, rain band clearing away from southern and eastern areas but for all of us quite a brisk wind still carrying the show is on, some of them are pale in front of us well and even though they will prevent the temperatures been quite as low as last night they are low enough, the overnight temperatures, for frost and ice in the course following on from the rain, sleet and snow it could be quite treacherous in places with icy patches are more shells to come. the warnings on the website of a specially applicable for the northern half the country but could be a light dusting of snow further southin be a light dusting of snow further south in the hills with showers and ice at the lower levels as well. more sunny spells and chatted wintry showers through friday. southern ideas, areas and is it?. winds will be strengthening in 50 or 60 mph gusts of wind which could push an area of rain little snow to parts of wales and southern and western england and eh? as to exactly how far it will slip but north and east any way or further north we have got any way or further north we have got a game that went to the mix of showers, hail, sleet, snow and thunder two. showers, hail, sleet, snow and thundertwo. fewer showers, hail, sleet, snow and thunder two. fewer showers each of the glamping and pennines but they will penetrate through the cheshire gap and it will be another cold day when you add on the wind chill as well still feeling cold despite some in the sunshine. then through friday evening and overnight as the shallows fade a temporary frost in eastern areas before we get more rain and, yes, more hill snow coming of the atlantic. that is the low pressure system which will be in charge toward, to start the weekend. here comes the next deep area of low pressure weather fronts a spell of wet and windy weather, snow of the hills, wintry showers following on behind but the second half of the weekend with that midge of dry pressure looks a little quieter and via but this mayjust be slow to clear on saturday so getting quite a soaking in places. maybe, as i say, slow to clear eastern areas but behind it it is a little milder, temperatures getting towards double figures, nines and tens. little bit on the poolside to stats and they come of age of high pressure and some dry weather but it is mild once again for the start of next week. —— ridge of high pressure. welcome back. the house congressional committee investigating the events of january 6th is made of seven democrats and only two republicans. it is not in the fullest sense a bipartisan committee. and they have limited time available. if the republicans were to take back the house in november's midterm elections, it's clear they will shut it down as soon as they have power. so the committee will publish its report sometime in the autumn. the question is, will it bring further charges? so far, they have interviewed 300 witnesses. they've issued more than 50 subpoenas, they have trawled through 35,000 documents including bank and phone records. and the senior republican on that committee, congresswoman liz cheney, believes they already have the evidence to bring a criminal charge against the former president. a man who has demonstrated that he is at war with the rule of law, he has demonstrated that he is willing to blow through every guardrail of democracy, and he can never be anywhere near the oval office again. he's demonstrated a complete lack of fitness for office. so here are three of the key elements the committee is looking at. whether or not there was a strategy to deliberately keep donald trump in power, despite the election result that clearly showed he lost. what was donald trump's behaviour during the riot? did he do enough to stop it? was his dereliction of duty criminal? and the panel has been hearing testimony from people and security officials who experienced the violence firsthand. the hope is finding out what actually happened will help them produce recommendations to prevent such an attack ever happening again. last night, the attorney general, merrick garland, under mounting pressure from democrats, pledged that he will hold accountable all those responsible if the committee turns up the evidence. the actions we have taken thus far will not be our last. the justice department remains committed to holding alljanuary 6th perpetrators — at any level — accountable under law. let's bring in democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania, madeleine dean. lovely to have you on the programme. we will talk about the committee, but first i want to talk about you, because i have seen a picture today from a year ago of you being led to a holding room in this makeshift gas mask. i think sometimes you overlook what a traumatic event this was for many of the lawmakers who were trapped in the gallery. what does it bring back to you a year on? tim bring back to you a year on? i'm leased bring back to you a year on? i'm pleased to _ bring back to you a year on? i'm pleased to be — bring back to you a year on? tn pleased to be with you on this solemn anniversary of the attack on the capital, and attempted insurrection. i was in the gallery, observing some of the arguments being made on the floor against the confirmation of the election. we began to get a series of ad hoc announcements from the floor, telling us to prepare to sit down, july down, to get our gas masks out from under our seats. i have to tell you, i was three days into my second term, i had no idea we had gas masks under our seats. then we got the awful announcement that the capitol had been infiltrated, tear gas was deployed, put on our gas masks and await further instruction. that is the picture you see of me, where i am trying to get out, paying attention to wherever they work trying to take us to safety, talk to my family and not terrorise them if i could, but fearing for all of us in the capitol as there was counting on the doors and shattering of glass, and ultimately a gunshot that we would hear. it is an incredibly important day, a solemn day that i hope we mark and remember always, because the lies that overtook the capitol a year ago in these very hours are still a threat to our democracy today. i am very worried we must move forward. we must recommit ourselves to democracy and the protection of it. shifter recommit ourselves to democracy and the protection of it.— the protection of it. after those events, the protection of it. after those events. on _ the protection of it. after those events, on that _ the protection of it. after those events, on that night, - the protection of it. after those events, on that night, he - the protection of it. after those events, on that night, he went| the protection of it. after those - events, on that night, he went back to the chamber and 139 republicans voted not to certify the election. that makes it hard for democrats, doesn't it? reality denied. how difficult has it been for you, working across the oil from some of those people? —— working with some of those people? let those people? -- working with some of those people?— those people? -- working with some of those people? let me focus on the first half of what _ of those people? let me focus on the first half of what you _ of those people? let me focus on the first half of what you said. _ of those people? let me focus on the first half of what you said. we - of those people? let me focus on the first half of what you said. we did - first half of what you said. we did in the early hours of january seven, go back to the chamber, walking past the debris, and we went back because we thought it was our duty. i would like to focus on the majority of us who went back and voted to certify the election as was proper and constitutional. to your second point, it is absolutely incredibly difficult to work with folks on the others who voted not to certify. what it means is we don't have a common truth, it is very hard to work in unity with people who have alternative facts, who don't believe in or want to seek the truth. we want to talk— in or want to seek the truth. we want to talk about the work of the committee, because you are a lawyer and one of the impeachment managers at the impeachment of donald trump. let me ask you, do you think the department ofjustice will ever seriously consider a criminal charge against a former president? t seriously consider a criminal charge against a former president?- against a former president? i don't know, but what _ against a former president? i don't know, but what i _ against a former president? i don't know, but what i do _ against a former president? i don't know, but what i do know, - against a former president? i don't know, but what i do know, and - against a former president? i don't know, but what i do know, and thej know, but what i do know, and the attorney general said yesterday, there will be no one above the law. there is no end to their reach in terms of bringing justice and finding out the truth and bringing forward appropriate charges. if that includes the president, so be it. i also want to speak to the work of the committee. having worked with everyone of them and having served as an impeachment manager with many of them, i can tell you from first—hand experience that they are meticulously working their way... speaking to more than 300 witnesses, patriots. anybody who does not tell their side of that day, i wonder where they're patriotically duty lies. also the team of people behind them. they will piece together, fact by fact, timeline by timeline, to one of your points, about exactly what was the president doing in the 187 minutes from the time these buildings were broken into? we know from first—hand testimony that what the president was doing in part of that time was sitting in the small dining room adjacent to the oval office, watching tv gleefully, saying, rerun that, look how they are fighting for me. can you imagine any other person, who swore to defend and protect us, not taking any action for 187 minutes? it is a sign of extraordinary sickness. briefly, because i'm running short of time, but a lot of this work so far has been in private, behind closed doors. how important, given that 40% of republicans, do you think the public stage of these proceedings will be will be in january because mark —— given that 40% of republicans... it is essential. we have to shine a light on what happened through witness answers. i look forward to the public portion where i hope, in prime time, we will hear the work of this committee, we will hear from patriots and those who tried to avoid their patriotically duty, and then the american public, the world will know, what happened. we then the american public, the world will know, what happened.- will know, what happened. we are alwa s will know, what happened. we are always great _ will know, what happened. we are always great full _ will know, what happened. we are always great full for _ will know, what happened. we are always great full for your - will know, what happened. we are always great full for your time. - always great full for your time. thank you very much. the storming of the capitol stunned america, as it stunned those of us watching around the world. the last time government buildings were breached in washington was in 1814, and then the invaders were british soldiers. the congressman we heard from on the night, lou correa, was clear in his mind what had unfolded. today is the first time in probably our history that we have had violence in the capitol, to try to overthrow... to try to overthrow a peaceful transition of power from one president to the other. today, we essentially looked to certify an election of votes that have been cast for another president, and this president refuses to accept the will of the people. traitors. goons. domestic terrorists. in the immediate aftermath of the violence, the lawmakers were largely united in condemnation of those who had taken part and the president they held responsible. some hoped it might break the fever that had gripped washington. but it didn't. there are large parts of the republican party — and fox news — that have attempted to change the narrative around january 6th. among those who have had the most dramatic whiplash, the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy. the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. i talked to president trump about it. i was the first person to contact him when the riots was going on — he didn't see it. but he ended the call with saying, telling me, he'll put something out to make sure to stop this. and that's what he did — he put a video out later. likewise republican senator lindsey graham, who made no secret of who he thought was responsible, but has since changed his mind. the president needs - to understand that his actions were the problem, not the solution. he will position himself- as the alternative to joe biden. he, i think, will make a speech that will unify republicans on policy. - i think he has been. working the phones. i was with him all weekend. he wants us to win in 2022. stay tuned, i think. you are going to see, over the next couple of months, donald trump lead the - republican party on policy. i'm joined now from washington by ron christie former adviser to president george w bush, and from oakland california by democratic strategist amanda renteria. thank you both for being with us. why do you think senior republican figures did not take the opportunity when it was presented a year ago to step away from the former president? good evening. one word i would use is fear. they are very afraid of donald trump. they are afraid of what the former president might do for their elective for office. are you going to siphon the money away? i believe this is a dereliction of duty. you take an oath to uphold the constitution and defend the united states, not an oath to support donald trump. many leaders are now going to pay the price for this through their voters. you going to pay the price for this through their voters.- going to pay the price for this through their voters. you are not a reuular through their voters. you are not a regular republican _ through their voters. you are not a regular republican voice _ through their voters. you are not a regular republican voice we - through their voters. you are not a regular republican voice we would | regular republican voice we would hear when it comes to what happened. if you don't mind be saying, you are much more moderate. how difficult has this been for the republican party today? tt has this been for the republican party today?— has this been for the republican party today? it is difficult for me personally- _ party today? it is difficult for me personally- i— party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have _ party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have lost _ party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have lost a - party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have lost a lot - party today? it is difficult for me personally. i have lost a lot of. personally. i have lost a lot of friends personally, who believe that donald trump had the election stolen from him. it flies in the face of reason and logic. but they believe it. 70% of republican voters believe that the former president had the election stolen. for those of us who follow the rule of law and understand thatjoe biden, whether you like it or not, was duly elected president of the united states, it is difficult to convince people who are so bottled into this notion of trump as their legitimate president. we have just heard that it is really hard to sit opposite republicans who voted against certifying the election. we don't have a common truth, she said. how is the country supposed to heal when congress cannot even heal?— supposed to heal when congress cannot even heal? yeah, this is the ruestion cannot even heal? yeah, this is the question we — cannot even heal? yeah, this is the question we will _ cannot even heal? yeah, this is the question we will answer— cannot even heal? yeah, this is the question we will answer throughout this mid—term cycle, throughout the election. _ this mid—term cycle, throughout the election, going into 2024. what today— election, going into 2024. what today was— election, going into 2024. what today was about was trying to make sure, _ today was about was trying to make sure. if _ today was about was trying to make sure, if there is anyway to bring back— sure, if there is anyway to bring back that — sure, if there is anyway to bring back that collective energy that was together _ back that collective energy that was together at that very moment when they were _ together at that very moment when they were under attack... it is tough — they were under attack... it is tough to— they were under attack... it is tough to make that connections if republicans decide it did not exist, that will— republicans decide it did not exist, that will be difficult. but for history. _ that will be difficult. but for history, even for the party to come together— history, even for the party to come together and remember that we were able to— together and remember that we were able to come together, vote in the middle _ able to come together, vote in the middle of— able to come together, vote in the middle of the night and make sure that democracy was saved, at least for that— that democracy was saved, at least for that moment. what you heard today— for that moment. what you heard today from — for that moment. what you heard today from biden is a very serious tone _ today from biden is a very serious tone about — today from biden is a very serious tone about what we are going forward _ tone about what we are going forward. he talked about saving the soul of— forward. he talked about saving the soul of this — forward. he talked about saving the soul of this nation, fighting for the soul— soul of this nation, fighting for the soul of this nation. we literally— the soul of this nation. we literally are doing that now. that journey — literally are doing that now. that journeyjust started on january six, it did _ journeyjust started on january six, it did not _ journeyjust started on january six, it did not end. that is a big piece of today, — it did not end. that is a big piece of today, reminding people that we could _ of today, reminding people that we could be _ of today, reminding people that we could be there again and if we forget — could be there again and if we forget it— could be there again and if we forget it or if people are not held accountable, we will be there again. it is incumbent on all of us to set in place — it is incumbent on all of us to set in place the — it is incumbent on all of us to set in place the right kind of tone and relationship and fight in order to -et relationship and fight in order to get back— relationship and fight in order to get back out democracy. why relationship and fight in order to get back out democracy. why has it been so hard _ get back out democracy. why has it been so hard for _ get back out democracy. why has it been so hard for the _ get back out democracy. why has it been so hard for the democrats - get back out democracy. why has it been so hard for the democrats to l been so hard for the democrats to dispel the big lie? t been so hard for the democrats to dispel the big lie?— been so hard for the democrats to dispel the big lie? i think when you have as disseminated _ dispel the big lie? i think when you have as disseminated information i dispel the big lie? i think when you i have as disseminated information and a platform _ have as disseminated information and a platform like trump, utilising his voice. _ a platform like trump, utilising his voice. even — a platform like trump, utilising his voice, even after an election, that makes _ voice, even after an election, that makes it— voice, even after an election, that makes it very difficult to bring the country— makes it very difficult to bring the country together. we never have had a president— country together. we never have had a president that came on and use their— a president that came on and use their platform in anyway possible, with bombastic rhetoric, to actually further— with bombastic rhetoric, to actually further divide. that isn't... presidents and candidates know how important _ presidents and candidates know how important it is after the election doesn't — important it is after the election doesn't go their way to bring the country— doesn't go their way to bring the country back together again, and the usually— country back together again, and the usually play a productive role in that process. this is the first time we have _ that process. this is the first time we have seen the active existence of saying. _ we have seen the active existence of saying. this — we have seen the active existence of saying, this isn't right, or bringing _ saying, this isn't right, or bringing down the democracy because you didn't _ bringing down the democracy because you didn't win. that is the very thing _ you didn't win. that is the very thing we — you didn't win. that is the very thing we have heard from democrats today _ thing we have heard from democrats today. where are my republican counterparts right now? we know you can be _ counterparts right now? we know you can be there, because you were there onjanuary— can be there, because you were there onjanuary six, we all ended up on the house — onjanuary six, we all ended up on the house floor. where can we bring that spirit— the house floor. where can we bring that spirit back again? that the house floor. where can we bring that spirit back again?— that spirit back again? that is how ou aet that spirit back again? that is how you get back- _ that spirit back again? that is how you get back. the _ that spirit back again? that is how you get back. the president - that spirit back again? that is how you get back. the president said i you get back. the president said today, america needs to ask whether it will be a nation that lives not by the light of the truth but in the shadow of lies. there are 106 t3 republicans right now running for state office who have bought into the big lie, and some of them in future will have control of state local elections. —— 163 republicans right now. how do you stop it? t right now. how do you stop it? i think the constituencies for right now. how do you stop it? t think the constituencies for these potential elected officials are seeking elected office can stop them. joe biden was elected the 46th president. these individuals have put forward no proof, no evidence, no court in the united states has offered any sort of validation for the notion that donald trump had the election stolen from him. if you are seeking higher elective office and you are running on this platform, constituents should look at you and say, if you cannot accept a simple, basic truth that one individual lost an election, why should we put you in the position of that office, whatever it is, to represent us. that is what republicans need to do. good to see you. we know by now, there will never be a widely agreed history of what took place onjanuary 6th. there are two alternate narratives — pushed by partisan media — that cannot, at least in the short term, ever be reconciled. today, on the anniversary, the president's former chief strategist, steve bannon, hosted republican congressman and trump supporter matt gaetz, who views it this way. we're proud of the work that we did onjanuary 6th... that's right. ..to make legitimate arguments about election integrity. so, we're going to make those arguments today... absolutely. ..in a press conference at 2:15pm, and we're actually going to go walk the grounds that patriotic americans walked from the white house to the capitol, who had no intent of breaking the law. the events of january 6th have entrenched positions, such that there are elements on both sides who now feel violence against the government would be legitimate to defend their interests. 34% of the american's polled by the washington post and the university of maryland said it would bejustified under certain circumstances, which is considerably higher than the figures in past surveys. along partisan lines, 23% of democrats agreed it may be necessary to defend democracy, while 40% of republicans voters who were polled thought violence might be justified to defend their way of life. and for independent voters, that number was 41%. returning to a familiar theme, earlier today, president biden spoke about a battle for the soul of america, claiming that donald trump and the mob that attacked the capitol represented views opposed to the core of american values. we must decide — what kind of nation are we going to be? are we going to be a nation that accepts political violence as a norm? are we going to be a nation where we allow partisan election officials to overturn the legally expressed will of the people? are we going to be a nation that lives not by the light of the truth but in the shadow of lies? we cannot allow ourselves to be that kind of nation. with me is bryan lanza, former communications director for trump's transition team. nice to see you again. thank you for coming on. nice to see you again. thank you for coming on-— nice to see you again. thank you for coming on-_ we - nice to see you again. thank you for. coming on._ we have coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about — coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about the _ coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about the elephant _ coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about the elephant in - coming on. good to see you. we have to talk about the elephant in the - to talk about the elephant in the room, which is that donald trump is the favourite to run for republicans in 2024. do you still think that is a reality? t in 2024. do you still think that is a reali ? ~ , a reality? i think he is the favourite _ a reality? i think he is the favourite to _ a reality? i think he is the favourite to win the - a reality? i think he is the - favourite to win the presidency in 2024. right now, he has an unstoppablejuggernaut. t5 2024. right now, he has an unstoppable juggernaut. unstoppable “uggernaut. is there an hinu unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that _ unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that could _ unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that could come - unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that could come out - unstoppable juggernaut. is there anything that could come out ofl unstoppable juggernaut. is there i anything that could come out of the committee enquiry that might come out of the documents we might see in the next year, that might refocus republican minds? t the next year, that might refocus republican minds?— the next year, that might refocus republican minds? i think senator mcconnell said _ republican minds? i think senator mcconnell said it _ republican minds? i think senator mcconnell said it right, _ republican minds? i think senator| mcconnell said it right, ultimately, there will be legal resolution to this as opposed to a political resolution. so the commission is a political resolution, but through that you are seeing criminal referral is going to justice. i think we will ultimately see some type of referral about president trump, this is the opportunity to move into a criminal proceeding. tt move into a criminal proceeding. if he does run, the obvious danger for he does run, the obvious dangerfor republicans is it becomes about the last election and his personal grievance, right?— grievance, right? that is the bi est grievance, right? that is the biggest challenge, _ grievance, right? that is the biggest challenge, correct. i grievance, right? that is the i biggest challenge, correct. but may be the biggest _ biggest challenge, correct. but may be the biggest danger _ biggest challenge, correct. but may be the biggest danger for _ biggest challenge, correct. but may be the biggest danger for america i biggest challenge, correct. but may| be the biggest danger for america is he further questions the integrity of the electoral process. who knows, maybe he can test it again? how damaging without the two american democracy? tt damaging without the two american democra ? : , damaging without the two american democra ? . , , damaging without the two american democra ? , ., ., democracy? it has been damaging, i often tell people _ democracy? it has been damaging, i often tell people when _ democracy? it has been damaging, i often tell people when we _ democracy? it has been damaging, i often tell people when we have i often tell people when we have conversations, one of the things you take pride in is an american was 245 years of peaceful transition. that is something we held with pride. we are at zero now, we reset that, and it hurts and it damages our brand when we talk about democracy and this shining city on the hill. that said, the voters choose the direction of politics. they are motivated, at least in the united states, by one thing, their economic interests. it is the economy, stupid, as was once said. very few people thought that republicans could survive january six, and now they are talking about president trump winning in 2024. it has given us the space and opportunity to appeal to the people we have lost in the past. 50 appeal to the people we have lost in the ast. , ., the past. so it is about the economy. _ the past. so it is about the economy, his _ the past. so it is about the economy, his handling i the past. so it is about the economy, his handling of i the past. so it is about the i economy, his handling of the coronavirus crisis, his splits in the democratic party, that opens the door. listening to some of the reaction on both sides today, i wonder if americans these days dislike the other party more than they like their own. is that it? does the hate trump everything? cable television leads to this food fight we have every day. i am a student and a participant in the little theatre and i believe that rewards those type of exaggerated conversations that president trump perfected and no other politicians —— and now other politicians are aping. that is rewarded by cable television. we are talking about instagram being bad for young kids, cable television is bad for adults. good to see. always good to get your thoughts. gary o'donoghue is in washington for us tonight. he will be here for the bbc�*s continuing coverage. and i understand, gary, there will be a vigil in about half an hour's time that the president will attend? yes, there will be a visual on the capitol steps. we will see if he turns up to that. that is one of those moments that will be ceremonial during this day. americans like their vigils, as you know. this will be an important symbol of remembrance, if you like, particularfor symbol of remembrance, if you like, particular for those who lost their lives, those police officers who died afterwards. that will be a key moment in the coming days. i have been to a press conference, and the to republicans who are here today, they are trying to fly the flag for that continuing narrative about january six last year.— that continuing narrative about january six last year. gary, you are a long-time _ january six last year. gary, you are a long-time observer _ january six last year. gary, you are a long-time observer of _ january six last year. gary, you are a long-time observer of american | a long—time observer of american politics, and we are a year on from such a dramatic moment in american history. i will give you the final word. where do you think we have arrived at a year on? americans are living in parallel universes. there is almost a brick wall between the two parts of this country, this 2—party state. they are in their own universes, in their own echo chambers. there is a real question here about what continues to unite america, if anything? it is a real danger. it is a real danger to a country that hasn't been around all that long, let's face it, in the grand scheme of things. it has had a huge number of ructions through the year, a civil war, who is to say that anything like that may happen again or not? but they are not talking the same language, both sides, simply not talking the same language. that is incredibly difficult to resolve. you will remember whicheverfounding difficult to resolve. you will remember whichever founding father it was who said a republic, if you can keep it. it was who said a republic, if you can keep it— it was who said a republic, if you can kee it. . , ., :, can keep it. that is important now. thank you- — can keep it. that is important now. thank you- i _ can keep it. that is important now. thank you. twill— can keep it. that is important now. thank you. i will bring _ can keep it. that is important now. thank you. i will bring you - can keep it. that is important now. thank you. i will bring you some i thank you. i will bring you some live pictures from washington. these are the supporters ofjoe biden at the democrats, calling for the senate and mr biden to enact the freedom to vote act, a voting rights bill, and another bill reforming oversights of the executive branch. it is a reasonably sized crowd out there. we don't know whether president biden will show up to this. but the uc congress when ruskin, who was a senior impeachment manager at the second it and of donotreply, just taking to the stage. —— the second impeachment of donald trump. goodbye. hello there. it certainly felt cold out and about today, and here in nottinghamshire, a light covering of snow as our weather front went through. in fact, more significant snow further north. this driving area of low pressure, as well, will feed in lots more showers through this evening and overnight, and it's cold enough that they will fall as sleet and snow. the rain band clearing away from southern and eastern areas, but for all of us, quite a brisk wind still carrying those showers in, some of them with hail and thunder as well. and even though they will prevent the temperatures being quite as low as last night, they are low enough, the overnight temperatures, forfrost and ice, and of course following on from the rain, the sleet and the snow, it could be quite treacherous in places with icy patches and more snow showers to come. there are warnings on the website, especially applicable for the northern half of the country. it could be a light dusting of snow further south on the hills from those showers and ice at lower levels as well. so, it's more sunny spells and scattered wintry showers through friday. even in southern areas is the question mark, winds will be strengthening, 50—60 mph gusts of wind in the channel later, but it could push in this area of rain with hill snow to parts of wales and southern and western england. some question marks as to exactly how far north and east it'll slip, but north and east anyway, or further north, we've got again that wintry mix, showers with some hail, sleet and snow and some thunder, too. fewer showers east of the grampians, east of the pennines, but they will penetrate through the cheshire gap, and it will be another cold day when you add on the wind chill as well, still feeling cold despite some wintry sunshine. then through friday evening and overnight, as the showers fade, a temporary frost in eastern areas before we get more rain and, yes, more hill snow coming in off the atlantic. that's the low pressure system which will be in charge to start the weekend. here it comes, the next deep area of low pressure. these weather fronts bringing us a spell of wet and windy weather, some snow over the hills, some wintry showers following on behind, but the second half of the weekend, with that ridge of high pressure, looks a little quieter, a little drier. but this mayjust be slow to clear on saturday, so giving quite a soaking in places. maybe, as i say, slow to clear eastern areas, but behind it, it is a little milder. temperatures getting towards double figures, nines and tens. a little bit on the cool side to start sunday. we've got that ridge of high pressure, so some drier weather, but it's milder once again for the start of next week.

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