Identity theft that means they are illegally obtained identifying information including usernames and passwords used by real persons and exploited it to further their hacking activity all of the countries named in the indictment share the ideals of a free society based on National Sovereignty ordered liberty the rule of law and free and Fair Elections for these reasons they also share a Common Threat russia a country that will stop at nothing to destroy those ideals and instill a sense of instability and its adversaries. The indictment unsealed today was only made possible by the willingness of countries to come together and share information and evidence associated with these attacks. In the Western District of pennsylvania in conjunction with our partners at n. S. T. And f. B. I. We continue to develop this new paradigm involving unprecedented levels of collaboration with our foreign Law Enforcement partners in the ongoing fight against cyber crime whether committed by transnational organized crime groups or nation state groups such as the russian g. R. U. In closing i want to thank the assistant u. S. Attorneys from my office and the trial attorneys from the National Security division for their incredible work on this case we in the Western District of pennsylvania valued the long and trusted working relationship with n. S. T. Under a. G. Diverse leadership i also want to thank all the agents from the f. B. I. As pittsburgh oklahoma and that is scott brady u. S. Attorney of the Western District pennsylvania announcing 6 charges 6 members of Russian Military intelligence have been charged Cyber Attacks a 4 year low hacking spree said crimes the home people around the world will have more on that just as soon as we come back with. Theres pandemic fatigue setting in often any idea of lockdowns around the world many simply lost patience with social distancing and all the Safety Measures and is the virus going to spread more rapidly during the coming northern winter this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im in wrong with no end in sight for the Coronavirus Crisis governments are warning of pandemic fatigue protective measures are being flouted and more of us are dropping god and that Health Experts warn threatens yet another resurgence in infections until a vaccine is develop social distancing a mosque wiring remain critical in containing the virus but after months of lock downs and disruptions of normal life many people say they simply exhausted the World Health Organization is reasonable director for europe hans colludes said i believe it is possible to reinvigorate and revive efforts to tackle the evolving coded 19 challenges we face it is essential that we respond together and that communitys own response policies with authorities by balancing science social and political needs we can develop precautionary measures that are culturally accepted. The latest virus wave has been particularly strong in europe france has introduced a nighttime curfew in 9 cities that will last for a month it is also limited gatherings to 10 people in spain a 15 day state of emergency is in force for the capital madrid and surrounding areas leaving or entering the city remains banned except essential purposes germanys ban on large gatherings has been extended to the end of the year in some parts of the country anyone failing to wear mask coverings in public areas faces a fine and england has introduced a 3 tier system of local lockdowns on monday the 1st minister of wales announced a 2 week trip to begin friday. I. Lets bring in our panel joining us from manchester in england is peter kenyon professor of Clinical Psychology at the university of liverpool in Geneva Switzerland dr any spyro professor of Population Health science and policy at mount sinai hospital shes also an emergency and Critical Care physician and from the greek capital athens alric rocha is human a professor of European Studies at Stanford University in berlin welcome all to the program now let me begin with any sparrow 1st in geneva any im fed up of learning mosque im fed up of not seeing my family im fed up of not being able to get on a plane and go somewhere im just fed up of this whole thing im fed up of the tests who much trying to blame here im not trying to blame the governments for their lack of handling the w. H. O. For bad advice where is the blame here is anyone organization to blame. Or dont we wish in that part of the problem isnt it that we spend more time blaming and obsessing and youre not just politicizing the greater bad turly pathologist in the science even so that even when we do have the evidence we is to politicize we got really care anymore and in the u. S. Bonds ample science is simply a prop or political prop and its becoming evidence free zone and thats one of the issues that weve lost faith in the c. D. C. Which is also been dominated by politics and the major is often held hostage by Member States who dont want to give the dutta and we see that very clearly in with the an ad from the re beginning with china with its long delay in reporting its long history of cover ups of 9 and yet has primary role is coordination to fundamentally contextually between a process by any nation castigating arguably the central figure so what were all fed up with been living in this state of limbo now for 910 months and thats a problem is we cant see the end in sight and and i think one of the most. Distressing thing is the dissembling is actually there is and we didnt have to control it we cant control it if we stop actually treating test as simply a marker of. Disease and actually think about how do people whether or not people are content is not when you dont have to wear a mask and more if we could actually. Test into a test not for cleaning itself which at munt we use p. T. Which is a pretty binary measure which says youve got it or you havent but it detects dead are in a dead pregnancy in the in your knowledge is now as well as a lot of when youre dead or alive p. C. I. Doesnt necessarily discern with your 2 days in detection or 35 days into it so its not a great attention that its a terror test for contagious disease which is actually a much shorter period of about 7 or 8. 00 to 10. 00 days max marine and what we need to do is actually transform all those rapid test into test and contagiousness so that we can do those every day at home and that would be the new mask but then give us back agency in control of our lives so you take that test every day and if its positive then the surprise late in the past id need to look test turned negative again and then you can build that in every community into the workplace into hundreds into schools in the airports and we can have our lives back thats what we need i mean i dont think we get our lives back when youre talking about a change in lifestyle i mean if were testing every day thats not our old lives back or a book and. The great cattle assonance i mean is there a way that we might get our old lives back. Well i dont say im positive if youre surprised when i look at the german discourse how our lives have adapted to normal and its not about a blame game its not about not having anything what one can do in a similar way as in the past but people do adopt and people do what one could call social learning we see that board games spending gets up to 20 Percent People spend time together in and out of a long way people who arent aware and ask which was not at all a theme in germany other than in Asian Countries and we never had a situation that the government pretends to know that or to enforce things on the people and rather try to communicate how little they know and that the trial arrowing close cooperation with scientists is whats the strategy is about and that is much better than i personally would have thought 9 months ago how the whole development goes. And the fire are we all in this situation where it feels like not just me but the entire world is in one Massive Science experiment that we dont really know where were going with this were just its like all right says its trial and error is not. Well it is with never had to do this before we really havent been a sad as it were a back injury doesnt really affect it only 21 countries didnt travel as past it never actually reached europe or the United States is it going to really reach canada or and and toronto that. A ball of which we know which was as good as those silly actually causes bible and doesnt travel in and we need the same way swine flu is very very manageable and we dont know the mass of this virus we dont understand it we finally sort of acknowledging that its not only transmissible 2. 00 to 3. 00 days proposed to the pia its symptoms appear and when sometimes do appear that mild and differentiate be the cause of headache it is on different from 3 from common colds in you know were approaching with this evening but meanwhile in the Southern Hemisphere or in the course Subsaharan Africa thats the same symptoms i see in malaria patients so if we are we have a virus that has risen with symptoms it transmits a thing to medically and eat most people who actually get it done even transmit onwards which makes Contact Tracing a bust. Most of the spread is in the community in places the congregation called and elation and concentration hunts prisons. Packed herbs restaurants and you know it does or doesnt thats how we actually have to take a cue from the virus and actually picture out how to. Test the contagion when so much of the contagion is happening when you dont have symptoms we cant use diva as a you know as a. Optic business it just isnt because. By the time symptoms appear to body probably infected people if you are going to. And youve missed the point so yeah i think we are living in a kind of experiment and one still some of this is even exploited in the same way that china must wait rolled out millions and millions of test. In a city of several 1000000 and i think are they doing that as an easy nancy is guinea pigs for any taste or theyre using it as a kind of brought about peoples imbalance and social control. We had with the you know these ads being all got thats a big hit of coverage isnt contacted in apps and yet theres no evidence that they just that and he supports the retina and meanwhile it is subordinating people to the actual virus when we need to think about putting people at the center of it because yes were all fed up i mean this humans i was that became a brilliant cook can now were just learning to actually connect and put our kids back in school who actually had the and the biggest victims you know the least infected with the worst affected and thats one of the thats probably the biggest catastrophe of this entire and demick and how it managed it according to the in when to play book then this is called with this is a coded playbook. Its a condition youre a professor of Clinical Psychology. We are living in this kind of odd science experiment where we are trying to figure out our way through this pandemic but its not just a science experiment is that this is having Mental Health issues on an impressive dented scale and i use that word deliberately there is no precedent for this this well im not so sure that i think there are some precedents both in recent history and a bit longer so one of the things to remember here is that human beings do actually respond quite well to crises we respond well as communities and we respond well we have evolved to Work Together as good as a community in order to survive droughts floods predations of wild animals and insects so we as a species are quite good at coming together and responding to acts and challenges i think we also have had the president of the 918 influenza. Pandemic and so we have learnt about some of the social challenges the social changes and the Behavioral Changes that people need to make in order to keep safe. Witness for instance the way in which different American Cities in 1018 either did or didnt suffer major 2nd waves of infections and we cant we cant learn from the past and i think. Some of our politicians are not so good thing from the past i think the other thing to say is the incredibly so show were incredibly cooperative credibly inventive animals humans as overlook is right people learn to adapt i think the difficulty they were having at the moment with the response that we need to make to this pandemic in order to keep us and those people that we love safe is not so much fatigue as the fact that we need our political and economic systems to support and not frustrate the changes that we need to make so i think that we would all be relatively good at sticking to moves. If we knew what the rules were and why they were being introduced and it was explained and certainly in the u. K. Weve got quite a chaotic evolution of moves at the moment i live in Greater Manchester and the maverick Greater Manchester when the Prime Minister of great britain. The United Kingdom or i mean some dispute over what should be in manchester thats not a good recipe for people following the rules and economically and socially we need Education System business arrangements the way in which we are paid money in my case the way in which i work to support the necessary changes i need to make in order to keep myself safe and not frustrate them so id rather we didnt look at individual fatigue or frustration but more about how governments can take major steps to make it easier for us to protect ourselves now you mention 1918 then the flu epidemic the one crucial difference between 118 and 2020 is social media Facebook Twitter you know that sphere of information thats free flowing often can be wrong people can now go and find anything they want the backs up their argument and they can even say we know what moscow what because i read something on social media where in this bubble right now where people are in echo chambers and simply because of the confusing advice coming from many governments around the world seeking their own advice and getting even more confused. Well again social media is undoubtedly a phenomenon of our time the internet and connectivity it is a phenomenon of our time but thats both good and bad so you know if there were new rules for the best way to protect myself and the people i love brought into force right now where i live in Greater Manchester i could find out about that almost instantly through social media and our ancestors in 1800 didnt have that functionality if we have clay or. Policies that will support us economically and in our lifestyles bought up by government those can be enacted and people can be informed about the next to me swiftly because the connected world that we have we can even adapt to very much isolated behavior so we can we can interact to social media i didnt one tasting on facebook only on friday night so we can do things to sustain our lifestyles in a positive way using a connectivity yes idiots and people with malicious motives can use social media to spread disinformation. Directors of Public Health local authorities governments and you know professional organizations the National Health service can also convey information useful information rapidly and i think the on the whole as all excited people are willing to learn to adapt to absorb information so i think on the whole the connected society that we have now is probably an advantage to us relative to night a 19 mother than a disadvantage i think however we could do something at a work of on making sure that Accurate Information is betrayed across social media that would be a good thing i mean the interesting this coming out of this conversation is all 3 of you are actually agreed on the fact that this is a long term thing that changes need to be made long term but thats going to have an impact said dr lee sparrow mention children i want to begin with you over a brooklyn. Story in athens. It is going to be a generational change children and that has to have a long term impact the most sensitive pointing under look at the different parts of society seems to be a good schooling that and home schooling in particular because its a major challenge for families that are not at all prepared for its not to speak up the infrastructure of schools even in every country like germany this is where you get the most complaints Everything Else like adapting lifestyles and also thinking and because terms like when we look at the plate for example this has always been a part of that europe in history that came with the trade foods it was a natural phenomenon and when you look at places like that if they knew how to live with International Trade and the fury of being threatened by a pandemic but when it comes to d children to adapt from now i learnt what school is as a Elementary School kid and now i have to do everything in some sort of a self organized way or to have parents who can replace teachers this is a major step and im afraid some of them will lose more than a few cation dont have any star do you think governments are prepared for this generational change thats going to hav