It was not in any record i july 25th call. And this is consistent with the reported comments from received. But when you did see. Ambassadors volker and taylor. After the zelensky meeting, i yes, i saw that in september, also met with zelenskys senior correct. So on this continuum, the aide, andre yermak. Beginning of the continuum begins on may 23rd when the president instructs you to talk I Dont Recall the specifics of our conversation, but i believe the issue of investigations was to rudy . Correct. And you understood that as a probably a part of that agenda direction by the president that you needed to satisfy the or meeting. Concerns that Rudy Giuliani would express to you about what also, on july 26th, shortly the president wanted in ukraine . After our kiev meetings, i spoke not to me. By phone with President Trump. To the entire group, volker, perry and myself, correct. The white house, which has now, in your opening finally, finally shared certain statement you confirmed that
Was the white house visit in return for the 2016 dnc server and burisma investigation. When you heard burisma, you did not see that as code for biden, the bidens . I did not. When did you even know that . Is it your testimony that you only realized that burisma included the bidens when the readout came out . No, i really dont recall the date. It was very late in the game, though. September . I dont recall the date. So if i told you that the Legal Definition of bribery was an event of offering, giving, soliciting or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing an action of an individual holding a public or legal duty, do you believe that not only was it quid pro quo, but it was bribery . Im not a lawyer and im not going to characterize what
something was or wasnt legally. You also said in your Opening Statement that Secretary Perry and yourself as well as Ambassador Volker worked with giuliani on the ukraine matter at Express Direction of the president , is that right . That
Murray, thanks to both of you. Thanks for watching our msnbc special. Find me on weeknights. Its the beet, 6 00 p. M. Eastern. It started as a 30minute phone call between two president s. It erupted into a fullscale scandal that now threatens to bring down donald trump. Today im announcing the house of representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. Our president sacrificed our National Security and our constitution for his personal political benefit. Theyve been trying to impeach me from the day i got elected. And you know what . They failed. Youve seen the headlines. Tonight well dive deep into the part of the story you havent heard. And key players will reveal for the first time what really happened. As we go on assignment. The conversation just after 9 00 a. M. On july 25th started out friendly. President donald j. Trump calling his newly elected counterpart, ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky. This is from the official notes of the phone call released b
These events. By obligation, you mean your legal obligation or did you mean something bigger . Both my legal obligation and my moral obligation. Your moral obligation. I actually want to present an alternative theory. Your family came here escaping the holocaust via uruguay. Your parents moved, lucy and later you, here. Youve done that american Success Story through dint of hard work and innovation, good idea, a knack for hiring the right people and some look, youve built up considerable, successful business, one that i know for a fact would make your parents proud. They came here because they knew that it was here that they could
have freedom that they had not enjoyed, security that they had not enjoyed, and opportunity that they had not enjoyed. No doubt on some level, youre grateful and its created a sense of patriotism in you. Is that fair to say . Very fair. Why, sir, with your courage to come before us, does that same standard not apply to mr. Mulvaney, mr. Duffy, mr. Pompeo, mr.
Campaign. He did not do that. And if he abused his power, most likely he would tell president zelensky that he was asking to help his president ial prospects . You would never engage in conduct nor explicitly say, in this case, president zelensky, im going to bribe you now, or im going to ask you for a bribe, or im now going to extort you. This is not the way these things work. Getting back to you, we talked about hunter biden. Hunter biden had been on the board of burisma going back to 2014, correct . Yes. President trump supported ukraine with aid and otherwise in both 2017 and 2018, correct . President trump has done a lot for ukraine. Yes. But sir, isnt it correct that
President Trump did not raise anything about hunter bid skpn his 2017 or 2018. He donnell thiidnt raise any o issues in 2017 or 2018 . I dont know that he did or he didnt. Thats not something we looked at. You have no evidence that he did, do you . No, but i have no efvidence e did not. This video is pretty remarkabl