sympathizers say, keeping up a good relationship as costello told me between the white house and donald trump, or something more not nefarious, but something more questionable which would be whether, in fact, costello was somebody who would represent cohen and then report back to the trump team about what about what cohen was thinking. obviously, costello denies this. and giuliani himself spoke with dana bash last night and he said, you know, this was about reassuring michael that the president wasn t angry at him and it wasn t long after the raid and giuliani told dana that the president felt bad for him. all right. gloria borger, caroline polisi, jenner rogers, the hits keep coming today. thank you all for helping to walk us through it. canada now joining other nations around the globe to ground boeing s max 8. so why is the u.s. now the lone holdout when it comes to
surprisingly, what costello was saying that this was about michael cohen thinking that the president was mad at him and that he wanted to make sure things were going to be okay, and so rudy says that he called costello to reassure him that the president was not mad and it wasn t long after the raid and he said, rudy told dana bash that he said the president felt bad for him. no longer. all right. cnn legal analyst carrie cordero is with us. what do you make of this when you see this? do you buy that this was just michael cohen making sure the president wasn t mad at him or do you see that this is michael cohen discussing the possibility of some sort of protection, i.e., the pardon. there is a lot to unpack in the e-mails that gloria just described, but my initial reaction is at this point, if these communications were taking place after michael cohen s office, home was searched and
of what s being said in this e-mail and the other e-mail depends on who you ask. and how is costello explaining? what is he saying these were all about? well, well, costello says that what this was is an effort to kind of keep the relationship between michael cohen and donald trump on track. he claims that michael cohen may have been worried about whether the president liked him or not and vice versa. and cohen sympathizers say that is not true, that what this is evidence of is dangling a pardon. and that that s what this was about and then when i spoke with costello, costello said, you know, that is utter nonsense. i was not dangling a pardon.
fixer. cnn s gloria borger has the exclusive reporting here. also back with us are caroline polisi and jennifer rogers. gloria, tell us more about these e-mails. we have obtained two e-mails that have been given to congressional committees and they contain communications that were done in april of 2018. and remember, that is after michael cohen s office was raided by the feds. and they re between michael cohen and an attorney named bob costello, who has a long-standing close relationship with rudy giuliani. they focus mainly on cohen s relationship with the white house at that particular time, which costello described in these e-mails, in glowing terms. he said, it was very, very positive. you are loved. and it ends, this e-mail ends, sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places. so, the interpretation, however,
communication and asked me to keep in touch. again, costello says this was all part of this effort to rebuild this relationship between cohen and the president. now remember, at this time they were part of a joint defense agreement. so there was an interest in keeping happiness in the family, but a source with the knowledge of cohen s thinking differs and said that this outreach was just a ploy to keep michael cohen in the tent, in the fold and to keep saying what he was saying to protect the president, and remember, it wasn t until june of 2018. these e-mails were in april. so it wasn t until june of 2018 that the joint defense agreement dissolved and on july 2nd, that was when michael cohen declared his independence from donald trump. all was not well in the family at that point. no. what is rudy giuliani saying about these e-mails and his role. rudy spoke with our friend and colleague dana bash also last night and he echoes, not