surprisingly, what costello was saying that this was about michael cohen thinking that the president was mad at him and that he wanted to make sure things were going to be okay, and so rudy says that he called costello to reassure him that the president was not mad and it wasn't long after the raid and he said, rudy told dana bash that he said the president felt bad for him. no longer. >> all right. cnn legal analyst carrie cordero is with us. what do you make of this when you see this? do you buy that this was just michael cohen making sure the president wasn't mad at him or do you see that this is michael cohen discussing the possibility of some sort of protection, i.e., the pardon. >> there is a lot to unpack in the e-mails that gloria just described, but my initial reaction is at this point, if these communications were taking place after michael cohen's office, home was searched and