the opening day. not the playoffs yet, but regular season. it s opening day without the bunting, in both senses of the word. so i was watching everything very carefully, including the prosecution team. it s very interesting, because it s in the eastern district of virginia, the irascible famous judge, judge ellis, wanted somebody who had practiced before him to be the lead attorney. so it wasn t mueller s team, per se. oh, interesting. it was the local guy from the eastern district. and that showed shrewdness on the part of mueller and his team. you know, if that s what the judge wants, then give the judge what he wants. yeah. and then also they have so many charges across tax and banking and so forth. my sense of juries having covered a lot of trials is they will find a few. there s multiple, multiple, multiple charges. they re not going to buy everything the prosecution is going to lay out there.
to do this or get matt gates or mark meadows from the house to continue on this path. could you make that an obstruction case? yes. and again, this is not standing alone, right? it s going to be a piece of evidence together with many other tweets, many other statements and the actual acts that he did. remember what just is starting to come out now, that when he fired comey, it sounds like his close associates have told mueller that he knew flynn was under investigation, something he has denied. that could be a very strong part of an obstruction case. so you don t have to look at each act individually. a prosecutor would look at them altogether. well, jeff sessions spoke today. here s it seems to us he was sort of responding to the president s tweet. take a listen, susan. the day i was sworn in as attorney general, the president, president trump, sent me a clear order. he can send out orders pretty
that s where he scores. howard, why are you so convips convico convinced a pardon is coming for manafort? let s assume the prosecution is good enough to get a couple charges here, you re talking five to ten years on any one of the charges. manafort will appeal, play for time as much as he can. they ll look for technical errors. we ll go to the further circuit. then it goes to the supreme court. my question is, when does donald trump think that he has i have no doubt in my miebd mind, and from people i know who talked to him that he wants to pardon manafort and wants to get rid of mueller. it s not a question of whether, it s a question of when. his other problem is a pardon may not work. it s not going to work on federal it will work on
does that goal really amount to because mueller s findings will be mueller s findings. so you can jump up and down, set your hair on fire and scream how tainted it is. facts are a terrible, difficult thing to get around sometimes. and that s what this president is trying to buffer himself against, the facts. the fact that he had so many of his comrades in arm already linked into this spider web that s being weaved by mueller, and this is the same crew trying to define collusion, all these things, lost their minds when bill clinton tried to redefine the word is. so it s not believable. it s clearly political theater to say, hey, mr. president, we re with you, but mueller at the end of the day holds every card in this thing. mimi, i want you to assess if you think al capone or paul manafort is getting mistreated worse by the federal government. this is the president s tweet today.
was just an american college student. really, to start this kind of social media campaign for one single individual, a russian citizen in the united states, if there wasn t something more to it? look, just go back to that connection to her handler aleksandr torshin. he is a guy of significance. he s the deputy governor of the russian central bank. given all the allegations of money laundering that have swirled about him, i think is fair to assume that he is the real target here. if the mueller team actually wasn t mueller s investigatorsu u.s. attorney and district of columbia are going after torshin, they are going much closer to the heart of the russian state. i think that s something that the putin government would want to resist at all costs. michael isikoff, considering your book russian roulette we re going to have you back to talk more about this. good to see you.