a new attorney will be taking over this increasingly high profile face. appreciate the reporting. joining us former new york city corrections deputy warden ed gavin and brian manne who did interview in alexandra s report. that interview was fast night, he was your guide on a story 15 years ago the north yard of the prison. an area controlled mostly by the inmates they kept barbecue grills, recreation, gardens, this was happening inside a maximum security prison. did it surprise you? yeah, i was blown away by what i saw. i saw inmates working with power tools. i saw inmates with an enormous amount of liberty. the gang activity there sets the
way at dannemora now is that slowly over time those protocols, those systems, broke down. and i think what we are going to see is joyce mitchell and gene palmer, you know kind of the tip of the spear. there are going to be big questions asked about larger issues of supervision. who was monitoring the behavior of the corrections officers? were they working the kinds of shifts where they were, some of them were sleeping on duty? i want to say, andersen, it is very important to say, corrections officers here in the north country have an amazing record. most of them are extraordinarily devoted officers, but, you know what we have seen over the years is there are officers who bring contraband into prisons, there are officers who cross these bright lines. usually they don t have consequences this dire. this is, this its code red. this does happen. people cross these lines. ed, do you believe this is the tip of the iceberg? that there is a lot mr. that
serious charges ss three felony charges. he was scheduled to have an appearance this afternoon. he was not there for that. the hearing was postponed until monday. a new attorney will be taking over this increasingly high profile face. appreciate the reporting. joining us former new york city corrections deputy warden ed gavin and brian manne who did interview in alexandra s report. that interview was fast night, he was your guide on a story 15 years ago the north yard of the prison. an area controlled mostly by the inmates they kept barbecue grills recreation gardens, this was happening inside a maximum security prison. did it surprise you? yeah i was blown away by what i saw. i saw inmates working with power tools. i saw inmates with an enormous amount of liberty. the gang activity there sets the pace for a lot of the life that
there its also this i think is really shocking to people there is a kind of intimacy that develops between corrections officers civilian staff, and these inmates. you know in this case gene palmer was working very closely with these two inmates for a very long time. i mean richard matt moved into that block in 2009. that means that you know he got to know gene palmer over a period of many many years. and slowly you do develop levels of trust, levels of understanding, and, and most corrections officers know how to work the gray zone, how to live in that ambiguous place without crossing the bright lines. and gene palmer clearly crossed some bright lines here. ed when you hear this about sort of areas that prisoners seem to control and that relationship that clearly existed and grew over time between the people. what do you think? i say, gene palmer crossed the line. how do you give an inmate a
states, it s common for inmates to help do maintenance work. it s common for them to do grounds keeping. so inmates often know a lot more about how a correctional facility operates than, than, you know seems to make sense to people outside. there its also this i think is really shocking to people there is a kind of intimacy that develops between corrections officers, civilian staff, and these inmates. you know, in this case, gene palmer was working very closely with these two inmates for a very long time. i mean, richard matt moved into that block in 2009. that means that, you know, he got to know gene palmer over a period of many, many years. and slowly you do develop levels of trust, levels of understanding, and, and most corrections officers know how to work the gray zone, how to live in that ambiguous place without crossing the bright lines. and gene palmer clearly crossed some bright lines here. ed, when you hear this about sort of areas that prisoners seem to control and th