wasn t important or shouldn t be looked at and attorneys general in many of these states like michigan, nevada, arizona, they are aware, they are looking. they say that some of them say they re not going to confirm or deny investigation, right. but the michigan attorney general herself went on tv and said that she believes this is a crime and illegal forgery but her office has not pressed any charges up until this point. they want federal prosecutors to take a look at it. i could tell you here in d.c., the january 6 committee is very interested. they ve subpoenaed rudy giuliani, they ve subpoenaed some other people involved and in those subpoena documents, they say express italy, we want to know about the efforts to subvert the electoral college. this is an effort to subvert our constitution in how you are supposed to do it and they tried this crooked scheme and it didn t work. okay. marshall cohen, thank you very much for all of that reporting. joining us now with more, well elie ho
impeachment trial and el think low anything, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. elie, you hear the reporting paula is laying out. phone records obtained. how big a move is this by the committee? well, erin, i was taught from my very early days a as a prosecutor, any conspiracy investigation, is you get those phone records because they provide you the connective tissue they show you exactly who was talking to who, and when. and as an investigator, you can look at those calls the thing about these calls and texts is there is always two parties two to these conversations. so you can look at these calls and see for example, okay, eric trump on january 5th at 3:23 p.m. had a 1 minute, 45 second conversation with this phone number. and if you can figure out who that other phone number is, even if eric trump s not talking, you can go talk to that person and figure out what was said. all right. so, norm, kimberly guilfoyle, we just i showed her briefl
u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and ronald omary. this is different. we all knew about how rudy giuliani was bringing boke us claims to court and then taking his chances. hoping to get lucky in court. didn t work. but coming up with a list of fake electors and people who are opposing as electors, how is that not a crime or been prosecuted yet. it is a great question that i share, alisyn. it is entirely unsurprising that rudy giuliani was at the center of all this. we see this from sen states tlx is no way that seven different groups of people independently decided to do this. it looked very much like this was result of a centralized effort and it turns out rudy giuliani was right at the center of it. and if we talk about is this a crime. let me sort of put it this way. it is under crime to submit any false documents to a governmental entity.
requests. meantime daniel goldman served as the house impeachment inquiry council for the first impeachment trial of donald trump. he s also former assistant u. s. attorney for the southern district of new york. and clair mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri and an msnbc political analyst. claire, i want to begin with when we heard from the deputy attorney general today because you have been demanding from this justice department some understanding, some acknowledgment of what they are investigating and she said very clearly that our prosecutors are looking at those, those meaning the false fraudulent electoral certificates. when you put that together with what we heard attorney general garland say in his speech generally about this, before
house and campaign operations, quote, we want to look at the fraudulent activity that was contained in the preparation of those fake electoral college certificates. that s according to congressman jamie raskin, a member of the capitol riot committee. then he goes on to say this, we want the look to see to what extent that was part of a comprehensive plan to overthrow the 2020 election. daniel goldman is here, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. former lead counsel for the democrats during donald trump s first impeachment trial, now an msnbc legal analyst. also joining us, luke broad water of the new york times. and the aforementioned bets rewoodruff swan is here, national spoerndent for politico as well as an msnbc contribute. congratulations on this scoop.