impeachment trial and el think low anything, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. elie, you hear the reporting paula is laying out. phone records obtained. how big a move is this by the committee? >> well, erin, i was taught from my very early days a as a prosecutor, any conspiracy investigation, is you get those phone records because they provide you the connective tissue they show you exactly who was talking to who, and when. and as an investigator, you can look at those calls -- the thing about these calls and texts is there is always two parties two to these conversations. so you can look at these calls and see for example, okay, eric trump on january 5th at 3:23 p.m. had a 1 minute, 45 second conversation with this phone number. and if you can figure out who that other phone number is, even if eric trump's not talking, you can go talk to that person and figure out what was said. >> all right. so, norm, kimberly guilfoyle, we just -- i showed her briefly