there s a verdict. the jury in donald trump s civil rape case deliberated for just about three hours. the judge announced he will read the verdict at 3:00 p.m. it is 3:00 p.m. the lawyers are in the room. the judge is in the room. the jury is in the room. so any moment now we will hear from they decided. six men and three women were charged with that deciding. one, did donald trump rape carroll and did he defame her when he said she was lying. if so, how much money does carroll deserve to be fairly and adequately compensated for her injuries? in closing arguments, her attorney told the jury donald trump didn t show up because he knew he did it. trump s attorney said trump didn t testify because there was nothing to testify to. he said the whole story was an unbelievable work of fiction. kaplin said carroll was exactly donald trump s type and she played the video deposition where trump mistook carroll for his ex-wife, marla maples. he said she couldn t give a date to when the
Can make a more informed decision as to whether he in fact has a conflict of interest. between his verdict, the impatience with his own client and whether he can represent mr. trump fairly in that case, i would not be surprised if he exits stage left and we see todd blanch and susan necklace handle that trial on their own. of course, i can always been wrong. i often am, but those are my predictions. donald trump has responded. what s he saying. i ll read from his social media account. quote, i have absolutely no idea who this woman is. this verdict is a disgrace. a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time. that is donald trump s statement here in the last two minutes. of course, donald trump consistently denied knowing carroll and denied this ever happened, but of course, the jury here today unanimously
Different than what we re talking ubwith this civil trial. i think the civil trial is resounding verdict but i ve appreciated your commentary, katey, as well as the commentary of other contributors who have repeatedly stressed the fact this is not normal. this is not a normal space for us to be in where we re watching a former president of the united states being held liable not only for sexual assault, number one, but then also defaming another person. and so i think that the effects of this will reverberate in a number of different capacities. but by far the remaining and outstanding criminal investigations that donald trump is facing are far more of a serious concern for him moving forward. laura, he s got a point there. this is civil trial. it s a pretty big fine, $5 million. trump s campaign team says they re going to appeal. we ll see if they actually file the paperwork. but the stuff outstanding is criminal. and if you re looking at the justice department and what jack smith i
Precisely because of this. i am astonished they awarded carroll a total of $5 million. one of the things i think is really interesting here is they didn t find there was intercourse between mr. trump and carroll. that s the difference between the rape and sexual abuse components of battery, but they did find that he touched her in an unwanted way in either her sexual or intimate parts for the purposes of gratifying himself and that is a meaningful, meaningful finding. i can t imagine what carroll s face looks like reegt now and i wish i were there to see it. lisa, thank you very much. stick with us because we re going to go over this more. ron allen, you were also covering this trial from the start. at one point, there was a note about a couple of the jurors appears falling asleep during roberta kaplin s closing remarks.
We know already that the judge in manhattan has tentatively set a trial date for trump early next year in the middle of the primary season, and he has cautioned him explicitly that he may not set any dates that would conflict with that trial. he can t arrange for speaking or rallies. the judge will hold him accountable. you don t have the option of not being present in a criminal trial like you do in a civil case. this gets only more serious for trump from this point on out. charles, what do you think? i think joyce is right. i think even as this has been the first verdict to go against donald trump it is the least of his concerns in the broader scope of things because the criminal penalties that could result from a conviction in any of the pending investigations up to and including alvin bragg s currently pending prosecution for the hush money scandal, all carry with them the threat of jail time. and that s something that s very