in ukraine by reading the news. many expressed exasperation at the threat of giuliani in the crosshairs of federal investigators continuing to cause headaches for the white house. joining our conversation chief public affairs officer from moveon.org and author of moving forward karine jean-pierre. here s the rudy question. i don t really care what he s doing there. but why does anyone think he s doing anything other than what the president wants him to do? we now have the phone records that show him talking to the white house. we ve had gordon sondland testify. everything i did was at the direction of the president and what the president told zelensky to do and what the president told all of the white house officials to do was to work with rudy. this isn t a rudy story. this is a trump story. this is not about his lawyer, his personal lawyer. this is about donald trump himself. who is still running a dirt campaign in ukraine fthrough rudy. you have to think that rudy must be walk
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brain at the white house sits down. they are not talking about we ve got a lot of evidence against this, this is going to be tough. they are talking about we are just going to dismiss all this as partisan. we are going to say the president did nothing wrong. the aid got to ukraine, no harm no foul. and they re going to talk about the president was right to pursue this investigation because, and then they re going to put up whatever they can put up to show all the sort of questions and murkiness around burisma. and obviously investigators have looked at this, they haven t found anything. giuliani s with a prosecutor, a former prosecutor in ukraine right now who, you know, was removed because he wasn t investigating corruption. so this is really through that political kaleidoscope right now, and they are going to be presenting a case through the very pro-trump point of view. and i get that from steve bannon who s like a fighting this with a little podcast.