if you visit these killing centers today, you ll see thousands upon thousands of shoes like this. the shoes of the victims. the german took their shoes because they were going to reuse them and recycle them if you will. but of course the victims would be killed. this is what s left of those lives. reporter: these shoes are here and the only surviving elements where all those people who were exterminated. this is the trace of the people before they were gassed. reporter: i think of those shoes, you know, my four grandparents. we didn t have anything. we had nothing. it was just horrendous, horrendous situation. it was so important, so timely to remind people who don t know anything about it. and i think it s so important and i m sure you ll agree, jim. people who come to visit washington go to the washington mall. take a tour of this museum. even those of us who have grown up, children of holocaust survivors, we learn a lot every time we go there, and it is so importan
they ve got all these redactions. how do you think trump s people are seeing this? this idea of all of the redacted information, but it s covering up likely the names of people who have been instrumental in providing probable cause basis? well laura, this idea and focus on witnesses in a potential mold or mole has been something floating around trump world since the church. did somebody flip? how did the fbi know exactly write to go? i cannot tell you how many people have pointed the finger at me saying it has to be this person and that paranoia when you work for trump or around him. underneath that i want to point out one thing that where she reported federal investigators talked to a number of aides down at mar-a-lago including molly michael, the point of contact for the national archives. among others who went down from the white house. so underneath all of that finger pointing, there is somewhat of an understanding that those
speaks volumes about something else, maybe their complicity? you mentioned if they take the 5th. that would speak volumes. remember, there is more to this than just their testimony. there is their phone records and their text messages, their emails. those things that they really cannot take the 5th on. those are the things that can be produced and subpoenaed in any fashion. i think you ll see a lot of these people take will testify, because there s a number of these people, regardless of what people may think, they re not going to have a connection between the events of a rally that s just a pro trump rally and the violence that occurred. i think they will find some dots that will be connected, but some that will not. as people, as they get subpoenas if they testify or not, those dots will fall into place. let me ask you about amy cr cramer, the point of contact,
through his confirmation hearing and was cleared by committee why it might only be surfacing as his nomination should have been heading to the floor for a final senate vote. it was later reported the personal issue might have had something to do with an altercation. okay. but still no specifics on that. given the republican controlled senate s willingness to confirm basically anybody from the trump administration for any purpose, the holdup with this guy started to seem a little worrying. think about all the people they ve let through, right? we don t know what s holding this guy up, but it is holding him up. now it emerges from reporting done by nbc news investigative producers that this guy, who trump has nominated to be the new head of fema, whatever his personal issues may be, whatever the altercation was, i don t know, whatever else is going on with him, turns out he was the person at fema headquarters who was personally, individually, the point of contact at fema
as you explain, basically saying we would not carry out any operations inside pakistan, and in return, you would allow us, our senior leaders, to exist and live here in pakistan without coming after us. the key here is that u.s. officials say at this point they don t see any evidence that al qaeda actually presented this plan to pakistani officials. right now all they have is that it atears to be an internal discussion. cnn got immediate reaction from the u.s. ambassador. let s listen to what he said about this. you can think of many things of wanting to do them and so did osama bin laden. question is did he raise it with anyone and the u.s. government clearly says that he did not. it was something that he and his associates were considering among themselves. so if we knew something about it we would have done something about it long ago. so absolute denial there from the pakistani government here, at least in the u.s. chris, any more details on to whom osama bin laden