consequences are that we would intervene to end this war, and make sure that ukraine wins. now, you ve been in these rooms, you ve been on these calls in these moments where there s tension around the world. there is a nato meeting coming up in a couple weeks, but lots of calls in between, and conversations. how do you anticipate key nato powers are watching this? will this change anything about that meeting. what are the other things they are calculating as a coalition? i think there s going to be an attempt led by the united states to say, let s keep cool heads here. let s not look at this as the we can finally find a way for russia to be doug under, to get rid of putin. that s not for today. for today, we need to make sure that we do everything that we can, we continue to do, to help ukraine win this war. and secondly, to make very clear to everyone in russia, vladimir putin, and everybody around them, that escalation
was able to withstand promotions advances, this would strengthen him. do you still believe that, after the last 40 hours? because a lot of people are saying it weakened putin. what s your thought? what weekend putin is essentially a military coup happening. you have shootouts happening on the road to moscow. and actually, when i was walking around in the morning, that s was quoted in the new york times, by the afternoon, people got much more apprehensive and subdued in thinking, in my courtyard about 70 cars parked usually. five cars were left. everybody else cleared out, basically as far away from moscow as possible. so what i was saying, he was able to resolve it. lukashenko, the belarusian president, was the one doing his bidding. it was clearly he was doing his bidding. the problem with putin is that he thinks, now, he s so out of touch with anything potentially
about a 50 minute walk, i was stunned to see we know what s going on, essentially a coup happening, and they were laying the wait a minute, do we really care? so then i saw the wedding party, people were piling up to get into a museum with a tremendous patriotic display, we are russians, god is with us, something like that. so there was an eerie feeling that people are preparing for something, and pretending that nothing is going to happen to them. people i talked to in conversations, they were saying, whatever we think of putin, prigozhin s men are rapists and murderers. this is a very russian attitude. you are waiting for things to work out, even if you are afraid it may not. you said that while this was all happening, that if putin