one of the main thoroughfares in moscow, and it looks like ordinary life. you might even say mundane. and that, in itself, is sunday when you think about the events of the past 48 hours, when you think that i could ve been standing here talking about russians fighting russians on the streets. when you think that president putin who, on a number of occasions throughout his history, has reached out and supported other leaders, had to have another leader, from belarus, support him in the past 48 hours. that s the first time that has happened. i think another way to describe it is that russians, and people here in moscow, frankly are in disbelief. and listen, there are national guard on the streets, a little bit today, but it s just nothing like the scenes that may have played out. another important point. rust dove, the city about 100
challenging putin for power, profiling prigozhin as a dangerous competitor. zika wrote, according to many sources in clashed with the military general staff. however, the effect could be the opposite, with more people seeing mr. promotion as the most probable favorite to succeed mr. putin. pretty precious. he wrote that several months ago. david tracked him down to discuss the events of the past few days. joining me now is david remnick. before joining the new yorker, he served as the moscow correspondent for the washington post, and has certainly been following moscow and russia and putin for many, many years. so, you gave us some inside looks at the depth of knowledge between putin and prigozhin. tell me more about the moment you write about, when he says prigozhin was no longer putin s puppet.
would have dire consequences. but that also means that cool heads need to prevail. we don t do things that provoke, that lead to the very escalation we are trying to prevent. so it s a balancing act, and it means that the white house and others will have to talk to some of our allies who may see this as an opportunity to finally go after vladimir putin and say, you know, that s really not where we want to be? we want to help ukraine, but we also don t want to make this the beginning of something much much worse. the time for cooler heads. ambassador ivo daalder, thank you for your time this afternoon. up next, very few american journalists know the russian playbook better than david remnick, the editor of the new yorker joins me to talk about all the dynamics at play, when we come back. when we come back s, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is.
it got a prigozhin, the leader of the wacker group, abruptly called off his armed rebellion. mid march to moscow. after agreeing to a mysterious deal reportedly brokered by the president of belarus, alexander lukashenko. prigozhin may have a problem back down for now, but he has exposed some very real cracks in putin s power. it s hard to imagine things going back to where they were. over the next, hour we re going to continue digging into a number of the big questions around the events in russia over the last 48 hours. what is going on in moscow, what does it all mean for putin, ukraine? we re going to start on the ground, joining us live from moscow s kier simmons. i know you ve only been there for a short period of time, here, but what is happening on the ground right now? what are you seeing on the ground around you? i just arrived in moscow, jen, you can see for yourself. behind me.
miles from here, that the wagner group took over, essentially. stunning pictures there of people cheering and taking selfies and pictures as they left. and as you get a prigozhin left. those, i think, those pictures will be studied very closely by the kremlin. now, president putin has been pretty quiet over the last several hours. is there anything you re hearing from russian officials today? do you expect to hear anything from them? we heard from dimitri peskov announcing the deal yesterday, today we ve been hearing from the ministry of foreign affairs, not commenting, jan on what happened. and i suspect what you will see from the russian government is an attempt to just move on and make this business as usual. interestingly, some of the russian media also talking about it, once but in the idea that russia has passed the