between the president and the vice president, is that correct? yes. when i entered the office the second time he was on the telephone with who i later out to found out to be the vice president. could you hear the vice president or only hear the president s end? only hear the president s end. at some point it started off as a calmer tone and became heated. the conversation was pretty heated. did you hear any part of the phone call even just the end that the president was speaking from? i did, yes. all right. what did you hear? as i was dropping off the note, my memory, i remember hearing the word, wimp. he called him a wimp. i remember he said, you are a wimp. you ll be a wimp. wimp is the word i remember. it s also been reported that the president said to the vice president, that something to the effect that you don t have the courage to make a hard decision. something like that. like you re not tough enough to make the call. something to the effect th
then, you said at some point, there was a telephone conversation between the president and the vice president? is that correct? yes. when i entered the office, the second time, he was on the phone with who i later found out to be the vice president. did you hear the vice president, or only hear the president s end? only hear the president s end. it was a calmer tone and then became heated. the conversation was pretty heated. did you hear any part of the phone call? like the end of the president. as i was drops off the note, i remember hearing the word wimp. e called him a wimp. i don t remember him saying you will be a wimp. it s been reported that the president said to the vice president, something to the effect of you don t have the courage to make a hard decision. i remember it was something like that, yeah. being not tough enough to make the call. the wording is wrong. i made the wrong decision four or five years ago. the word that the president call
york, a live look of the hearing room, the vice chair of the committee, liz cheney giving a preview yesterday. she says the panel will examine a plot by former president trump and attorney john eastman to prevent former vice president mike pence from counting lawful electoral votes. john: the hearing is expected to feature two witnesses, greg jacobs. served as special counsel, chief counsel, rather, to vice president pence and former federal judge who also advised mr. pence. ludig is called the last ditch effort to keep trump in power incorrect at every turn. we are going to pause for one moment to let our fox stations join us now. and this is fox special coverage of the third public hearing in the house select committee investigation of the january 6th insurrection. we are going to pause right now. all right, this is fox news special coverage of the third public hearing in the house select committee investigation of the january 6th capitol riot. i m john roberts in washi
unilaterally subvert democracy. also this morning, new photos obtained by abc news show vice president pence and his family in hiding on january 6th, after pence was rushed off the senate floor. you ll remember by secret service as rioters broke into the capitol. i think the public probably is not aware of how close a call this was. the rioters came very close to capturing the vice president and i think there is very good evidence that they would have done harm to him, perhaps even killed him. so this was a close call. that was congresswoman zoe lofgren who sits on that select committee, testifying today, very significant testimony, coming from retired federal judge michael luttig, highly respected conservative judge, once one of justice clarence thomas closest advisers, previously clerked for justice scalia, considered by former president george w. bush as a nominee to the high court himself. that s why his words carry such weight, especially on a day like today. in a
insurrection, the january 6th committee plans to focus on donald trump s repeated pressure on former vice president mike pence to block the certification of the 2020 election results. remember what trump told the crowd just hours before the attack on the capitol. mike pence, i will tell you right now, i m not hearing good stories. i hope that our great vice president, our great vice president comes through for us. he s a great guy. of course if he doesn t come through, i won t like him quite as much. hmm. the committee s going to make the case trump s pressure campaign directly contributed to that day s deadly violence. new photos obtained by abc news show pence and his family in hiding after the former vice president was rushed off the senate floor by secret service during the insurrection. let s begin our coverage with cnn s ma nu raju live on capito hill. walk us through exactly what we ll watch later today. reporter: the committee will try to lay out the time line