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witnesses, you and i have actually met. i want to bring in barrett burger, a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, and charlie savage, washington correspondent for the new york times and also an msnbc contributor. you can make jokes about it, and maybe there were probably people in the audience, including his daughter, who thought that stuff was pretty funny. having said that, the judge s ruling on don mcgahn was scathing. when you say we don t have a king here, right, the president is not a king, we don t know where this court fight will end. we know it s continuing, already several moves have been made, but having said that, is this an indication to you that the president sort of stonewall defense, delay, delay, delay may be failing, or is this something that could indeed drag on well into 2020 and he ll have the last laugh? well, it s a great question.
i think while this strategy of saying we re not going to comply with any subpoenas, we re going to force the democrats to fight all of this in court, while it may ultimately fail, you may get a court of appeals and ultimately the supreme court to say no, this is not a proper basis. they may win in the shortterm just by matter of timing. because as we already saw, even this one court opinion took about seven months to come out. even though, you know, this was a 120-something page opinion, very well reasoned so one can imagine it took some time for this judge to come up with all the rationale, it was seven months that the democrats just don t have right now. so while the strategy may fail, ultimately, and they may get a court of appeals to issue an opinion saying this is not a valid legal basis, they may win just by the delay. the delay, exactly. charlie, hearing pompeo today adding to the many republicans who have posed that debunked narrative that ukraine was responsible for the hack