right? you re like walking on the bouncy balls. nothing under you is firm. and with donald trump, the tipping point isn t just with the electorate, the tipping point is how much can he strain his base. the gift isn t about grifting you and me, it s about rifting his voters. and it s about sending steven ayers and the grift isn t about outside analysts and pundits and coverage. it is now inside his base. how much can he strain him? can he put melania on the payroll and still have all of his voters forking over hard-earned small dollars? i don t know. can he be indicted for hoarding
steven ayers. one of our hearing witnesses says he a carpenter in erie, pennsylvania, and started paying closer attention to elections issues through facebook and when we asked him what made somebody like you want to participate in this? he said president trump. he wanted me there. he wanted us there. i went because he asked me to and a lot of people told that so president trump has a direct impact on the ascent of this. the witnesses you presented through the public hearings seeming they agreed with that. i mean, it s the most striking turn for bill barr maybe on cnn before the election, trotting out this disinformation about fraud and really busting doj norms saying he would investigate it. he becomes one of your star witnesses saying, i told him it was bullshit. what made them in the presence of you tell the truth about trump s reel when it came to violent extremism?
ed me media or in person or both. he s a key catalyst that stokes the red meat of the base that pushes on conspiracies like the big lie and others that we have seen fringe parts of this movement mobilize and coalesce around in recent years. and, miles, don t believe me, or ali, you should believe ali, you should believe me, believe steven ayers, devoted trump supporter, travelled to washington to back donald trump as donald trump directed him to do on january 6th and testified under oath before congress that once the president sent a tweet saying time to go home, he packed up his whatever he was waving and went home. the insurrectionists are talking. and they re telling us what ali is saying is absolutely true. there is a chain of command, it just never was the u.s. military. it seems it was the extremist movement. well, we know from a long, long history of studying
did cot um in court that nbc news did come up in court that nbc news had surfaced last night that showed packer what was underneath that sweatshirt and earlier in the day when he was with that sister, closer to donald trump s speech, wearing an ss shirt, that was directly supportive of the nazis, so there are two layers of pro-nazi materials that he was wearing that day. and presumably walked into the capitol with that underneath, underneath that camp auschwitz outer sweatshirt that he wore. 75 days, yes? that s right. yes, and actually steven ayers, the justice department, just recommended 60 days for him, steven ayers was the individual who testified before the january 6th committee back in july, he was the rioter speaking of picking up what barbara said in terms of inconsistent statements shall the justice department represents in their filing that the story that he told to the january 6th committee is inconsistent with what he told, what he said the story he agreed
former president trump today helpfully confirming the fbi raid occurred, which made life a lot easier for a lot of news organizations trying to confirm the initial reporting at that time. but also lashing out and using all his specific and typical and repetitive words about how aggrieved he is by these efforts to hold him accountable and investigate him for various things. he has threatened in the past if any prosecutor anywhere took any sort of act towards him, meaning toward inviting him, that his supporters he would expect his supporters in the street for protests and demonstrations of a size that the country had never seen before. what do you think the reaction will be here? and how important is tonight versus what happens next? you know i was thinking about steven ayers, you and i sat through his testimony. he s an insurrectionist turned