steven ayers life, but i think it s instructive and to watch the base call for protest or chaos or disrespect for the fbi is a new horror, and a new low for the right, which is so far down on the low road, they can t see the sky anymore. and i think their reaction the last 24 hours has been disgusting. well, i agree with you, and i guess i will just, very quick question here for you. one of the things that we saw we ve seen over the last months has been that there s not been a civil war in the republican party, but there s been some fractures between the trump dead-enders in the party and some who have kind of been like, we still like donald trump, but you know, he s got a lot of baggage. i m talking about voters now. he s got baggage, give him a gold watch and go on and get somebody new in there. and the you know, thank you
your own campaign manager is truly damning especially in text messages that were sent during the time in which this was all happening. howard: right. and let s not forget about steven ayers, because he s saying he was motivated individuality/. howard: you re jumping ahead. let me also just clarify that not everything cassidy hutchinson has been corroborated because she wasn t there for some people, and the secret service people may dispute them, haven t yet testified. let me just play some sound bite because there was this long knockdown, drag-out meeting in which white house officials were challenging the rudy giulianis of the world, and this is what rudy says he told them. you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i put it another way, a bunch of [bleep] excuse the expression. howard: but it wasn t bleeped at the hearing. guy, let s talk about the two witnesses, one of them a former oathkeeper spokesman who broke
with the group years ago, hates the group, so he had nothing whatsoever to say about what happened on january 6th. and steven ayers, as you mentioned, he was a social media addict who says he came to the rally because of donald trump. he walked into the capitol legally but when trump put out the video saying we love you, go home, he went home. he now thinks it s not true, what trump said, but he s one guy. and les no reason to think donald trump had any contact with him. service kind of sad and pathetic. it was kind of sad and pathetic. yeah, i m not sure what the value is there. you can make a case about president trump and his actions leading up to january 6th, during january 6th and afterwards, and i think a lot of us watched in horror as it happened on that day. a lot of this was brought to the fore during his second impeachment trial, there is some new stuff from this committee. but i don t know why this type of witness really advances the ball at all. i don t know who it conv
general that reached the conclusion that there was not sufficient election fraud to change the outcome of the election when other people kept suggesting that there was the answer is, what is it? and, at some point you have to put up or shut up. that was my view. okay. at some point you have to put up or shut up. these people were under oath here. despite his own allies saying it is bs, they are believing trump is the winner, 60% believe he is the legitimate winner, trump, right? is there anything at this point that will convince his supporters that he lost? well, we hope that looking at the facts behind his cases will. the testimony of steven ayers before the committee, the january 6th committee last tuesday in which he said that he was arrested for being in the capitol.
go-ahead order from trump. rather than sort of being brought along in a spontaneous fashion. but for those activists, they re there looking for an opportunity to reach folks in the stop the steal pool like mr. ayers and to bring them along. fascinating. kathleen belew, thank you so much. appreciate your expertise. today, the committee highlighted two meetings at the white house in december 2020 involving discussions of attempting to overturn the democratic election. there was that heated hours-long meeting that devolved into a shouting match between the former president s legal team and outside advisers, let s call them, and then the one three days later on december 21st involving 11 republicans. according to white house visitor logs obtained by the committee, members of congress present at the white house on december 21st included congressman brian babin, andy biggs, matt gaetz, louie