calculated. you can t get involved in other wars outside of nato. that is the whole point of it. how could a nato member offer security guarantees that doesn t end up dragging it and all the other nato countries in with it? so it is an extremely complex and sensitive time in these negotiations. potentially we re seeing some progress or potentially it is a stalling tactic that russia is using to rearm and to explain away why it has had such battlefield losses particularly in that area it claims to be pulling back from. richard engel for us there in kyiv, just after 6:00 there. thank you as always. keir, i know you are talking to ukrainians. you talk to ukrainians there as well, these negotiators. do you get a sense that they are remotely optimistic? they are apparently.
and in the senate right now, there are so many people that want to move forward, and that is because we are in the middle of a surge in this pandemic. we need to bring down the costs of pharmaceuticals, something we have never done, and it is more than over time to do it. something the republicans have voted against consistently. it is time to actually bring down the costs of child care and make it easier for people to go back to work. that s what build back better is about. that s what we are in the midst of a debate. and i would note that neither of these two senators have come away from the negotiating table. negotiations are going on as we speak. i was just with senator manchin for an extended period of time talking about the voting bill. and we can do two things at once. and with the voting bill, as you know, joy, that is about the senate rules. but respectfully, it does appear to be that senator manchin and senator sinema being at the table, it looks like a stalling tactic, i h
contempt. congress grilling the head of instagram, after internal documents show the social media platform can harm the mental health of young women, especially teenage girls. and testimony as a manslaughter trial begins in minnesota for a former police officer who shot and killed dahntay wright during a traffic spot, claiming she accidently mistook her gun for her taser. i want to bring in now former gop congressman charlie dent and cnn s senior analyst good evening to both of you. elly, now mark meadows is sooning the committee. is he afraid of trump or is this a stalling tactic? it s a distraction tactic, this lawsuit has next to no chance of succeeding. he s just taking a firecracker, lighting it, tossing it into the january 6 room and saying deal with this.
we know the donald trump who sits before folks. he has a tendency to lie, both in public and sometimes under oath as well. we ll see what comes of this. but it isn t a surprise, as you said, that they want to talk to the head of the trump organization. let s shift to another investigation to which trump is central, a different issue, the january 6th investigation. we have new detail about what trump s former chief of staff mark meadows turned over to the committee. the materials we are told include texts from meadows about exactly what the then president was doing during the deadly riot up at the capitol. meadows, voluntarily turned over the records but doesn t want to ask questions. meadows central witness for the committee here, paul, they want to get him, i assume, i saw what adam schiff and others view this as a stalling tactic. absolutely. that has been the trump plan since the committee started the work, the idea being if they can stall this out all the way until the end of d
they were forced to delay another deposition this weekend by former trump doj official jeffrey clark for medical reasons. clark says he will plead the fifth as will john eastman, a former trump attorney who was central to efforts to overturn the election. joining us now nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, charlie psychs editor at large at the bulwark, and politico national correspondent betsy woodruff spawn. garrett, several depositions postponed by the house select committee, delaying tactic? i mean, what does engaging mean? at least talking rather than saying i m not going to show up? engaging can mean a variety of things here. it can mean saying my lawyer is not ready to go or the documents you ve asked for are still being collected or it can be a stalling tactic. i think a lot of these witnesses are aware that the january 6th committee is working against a clock. the committee has said they want to be done with their investigation in the spring. that seems