they were forced to delay another deposition this weekend by former trump doj official jeffrey clark for medical reasons. clark says he will plead the fifth as will john eastman, a former trump attorney who was central to efforts to overturn the election. joining us now nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, charlie psychs editor at large at the bulwark, and "politico" national correspondent betsy woodruff spawn. garrett, several depositions postponed by the house select committee, delaying tactic? i mean, what does engaging mean? at least talking rather than saying i'm not going to show up? >> engaging can mean a variety of things here. it can mean saying my lawyer is not ready to go or the documents you've asked for are still being collected or it can be a stalling tactic. i think a lot of these witnesses are aware that the january 6th committee is working against a clock. the committee has said they want to be done with their investigation in the spring. that seems unlikely. if they can finish it before the