26. What did that come to mean . My understanding, ambassador sondlands use of that term was the three people in charge of ukraine policy during the summer where he, gordon sondland, ambassador volker and secretary perry. What did you come to, when did you come to learn about mr. Giulianis role and what do you consider his role to have been . I first heard about former mayor giulianis interest in ukraine in january of this year, that was a different phase than what happened during the summertime. Was it normal to have a person who is a privat citizen take an active role in foreign diplomacy . I did not find his particular engagement normal, no. Now, Ambassador Taylor, you testified that there are two channels, a regular and irregular. What did you see as Rudy Giulianis role in ukraine policy . Congresswoman, i came to see
that mr. Giuliani had a large influence on the irregular channel. And was that normal . Is that normal to have a private citizen of the United States take an active r
your profession you deal in words of understanding, words of beliefs and feelings, because in your profession that s what you work with to try to pull together policy and to go in and out of meetings to try to formulate opinions that affect other people s decision-making. ambassador taylor, have you ever prepared for a meeting for the president or prime minister of a country or told one thing before you went into the meeting what it was to be about? and the meeting be about another thing or you get in there and the beliefs of the prime minister or the president were other than you believed? mr. turner, you re asking if i ever learned something new ever walked in with a belief you thought about country you were serving in and find out they were wrong? i learned something in every meeting, mr. turner, but i, you know ambassador taylor, the reason why that the sixth amendment doesn t allow hear say it s unreliable because tweectly it s untruth. it. not factual. might be believ
to show a motive in the case. there really didn t seem to be one here. but that doesn t necessarily carry the day. there didn t seem to really be a motive when charles manson committed his horrible murders 40 years ago. and yet he was found guilty. and not guilty by reason of insanity. on the other hand, you have andrea yates killing her kids in the bathtub, and dina cutting off her baby s arms. there s no way to explain that. and the verdict in those cases was not guilty by reason of insanity. you don t really have to have a motive. you can think someone is mean, evil and psychotic. michael snims, thank you so much for all of your help on msnbc giving us the perspective on what s been happening as just happening about an hour ago. we had that verdict of guilty coming from the judge of eddie ray routh of the murder and
however, what the jury was charged with trying to determine is did he know what he did was wrong? and was there enough information from your perspective, as you were watching this case, that would help us get a better understanding as to why he did this and was there enough information to understand that other question, did he know what did he was wrong? that s an extremely interesting point that you re making. i had this discussion earlier today with my colleague, jack helms. motive of course is not an element of the offense. but certainly it would be better for the state if they were able to show a motive in the case. there really didn t seem to be one here. but that doesn t necessarily carry the day. there didn t seem to really be a motive when charles manson committed his horrible murders 40 years ago. and yet he was found guilty. and not guilty by reason of
and a veteran of the iraq war. and you know as we ve watched this entire story develop over the last couple years, it has been a tough story to tell and tough for those in the military community such as yourself. and to listen there to chad littlefield s mother come out and speak with such courage, and really saying that everybody has treated them with dignity throughout this process. and some might say, that doesn t often happen with cases like this. especially given what the headline demands from many places. yeah, richard. when i heard chad s mother live on tv you know my heart broke. it is hard not to think about how your own mom would react. we ve all been following this case for over two years. at the end of the day, there are three marines, their lives and their families that have changed.