to show a motive in the case. there really didn't seem to be one here. but that doesn't necessarily carry the day. there didn't seem to really be a motive when charles manson committed his horrible murders 40 years ago. and yet he was found guilty. and not guilty by reason of insanity. on the other hand, you have andrea yates killing her kids in the bathtub, and dina cutting off her baby's arms. there's no way to explain that. and the verdict in those cases was not guilty by reason of insanity. you don't really have to have a motive. you can think someone is mean, evil and psychotic. >> michael snims, thank you so much for all of your help on msnbc giving us the perspective on what's been happening as just happening about an hour ago. we had that verdict of guilty coming from the judge of eddie ray routh of the murder and