but she had quite a story to tell about james. about how he offered to murder ben. the night ben died, he said now or never. and i said no. i said not today. don t do it. no. i said no. i said no. no, no, no, no. reporter: hours later, she said, james woke her up from a sound sleep and told her ben was dead. but that, she said, is all he told her. all she knew. so you re confident that james had something to do with it? i don t know. reporter: but was that really all she knew? dawn, remember, had a 16-year-old son named devin, who detectives learned was at home and listening in the hours before ben oxley was murdered. so if anyone could confirm dawn s version of events, surely it would be devin. but he wasn t talking.
kitchen to get something to eat. as he fixed himself a sandwich, he said he heard a noise coming from the direction of the bathroom. it was like the new year s poppers or the halloween poppers where you can pull two strings or you can pull one and confetti and stuff comes out. that s when conrad said he turned and saw heidy standing there in the hallway naked. she wasn t talking. she wasn t talking at all. she was coughing, she was heaving. and she was bleeding? she was bleeding out of her mouth and her nose. i needed to call 911 immediately. 911, what city is your emergency? utah. come quick! an unimaginably shocking scene. heidy on the kitchen floor in a pool of her own blood. conrad on the phone pleading for help. there s so much blood. if you don t get here right now, she s going to die. i don t know what happened. i really don t know what happened. oh, my god. it was bad to begin with and it got so much worse.
are and i we are going to do with those. i just want to get, if i can, just for a minute, back to this question about ukrainian that fiona was talking about, whether ukraine was involved, interferen or not. we just heard and to make it mccarthy see there were two theories, and one was completely debunked. that they hacked into the dnc computers. a few that this company, an american company named crowd strike, covered up the fact that it was the ukrainians who act and said it was the russians. and even that the dnc server is now in ukraine. and that has been largely debunked, as andy said, part of the problem however is that at the specific point on the specific reference that president trump made in his phone call in july 25th with zelensky. he wasn t talking about other allegations, which i m going to get her in a second. he was talking specifically
that day was just like any other day. as night fell, heidi decided to take a bath. conrad said he went to the kitchen to get something to eat. as he fixed himself a sandwich, he said he heard a noise coming from the direction of the bathroom. it was like the new year s poppers or the halloween poppers where you can pull two strings or you can pull one and confetti and stuff comes out. that s when conrad said he turned, saw heidi standing there in the hallway naked. she wasn t talking. she wasn t talking at all. she was coughing. she was heaving. and she was bleeding? she was bleeding out of her mouth and her nose. i needed to call 911 immediately. 911, what s your emergency. come quick. an unimaginably shocking scene, heidi on the kitchen floor in a pool of her own blood. conrad on the phone pleading for help. there s blood.
distinguish himself in this kind of a large field with people with a great deal of experience and he ran a campaign that couldn t really find it s core until he found a core after el paso and that didn t work for him. because once he got so devoted to that, he wasn t talking about much else. and so i think it is very there is no off broadway in any of these runs any more. you re always on center stage and i think he found it very difficult. i think this is right. but also an example of the longer many people are in this primary, the more we are going to have these sort of people people people trying to distinguish themselves by taking positions that are not useful in a general and energizing the republicans so i think the democrats are clearly do have their eye on the ball and that is about beating donald trump in 2020 and at some point every candidate needs to give it their best shot but put their ego aside and decide when they ve had a good run and whenever they