the resources of a wartime effort. our marshall plan. sean: with reaction, former trump secretary of energy rick perry. i imagine if you were still energy secretary you wouldn t be doing a deal with iran, begging opec to produce more oil, and wouldn t be considering importing oil from iran or venezuela. but i m just guessing. a year and a half ago, we wouldn t need to do any of those things. america was leading the world in the production of energy. we were doing what donald trump had asked us to do, and we were making europe safer. we had the iranians on their knees. the chinese were paying attention to us, very respectfully i might add. and russia wasn t about to take on the united states. all that changed in a very short
project the focus and the commitment and the resources of a wartime effort. our marshall plan here with reaction. former trump energy secretary rick perry. i would imagine if you are still energy secretary you wouldn t be doing a deal with iran. you wouldn t be begging opec to produce more oil and you wouldn t be considering importing oil from iran or venezuela. but i m just guessing a year ,a year and a half ago we wouldn t need to do any of those things. america was leading the world in the production of energy. we were doing what donald trump had asked us to do and we were making europe safer. we had the iranians on their knees, the, the chinese were paying attention to us very respectfully. i might and russia wasn t about to take on the united states. all of that changed in a very
ukraine in 2014. and if the u.s. is prepared to help the ukraine defend its territory if in fact russia invades. now russia has a bit of a blueprint for this. of course, you may recall that they invaded a part of ukraine back in 2014. they are clearly still incredibly aggressive in all of this. so if russia wasn t sufficiently punished or deterred by the international response in 2014 will, can we do differently this time around? what can the u.s. do? joining us now is ben rhodes, was deputy for president obama. as i mentioned there. russia has a little bit of a blueprint for this back in 2014 to some extent we do to, but what word from our response then and what should we approach differently that didn t work back in 2014 since
make clear in part that, part, we are prepared for diplomacy and a diplomatic path forward but we are also prepared to respond if russia advances with a further invasion of ukraine. threatening overtly that the u.s. and allies are prepared to impose sanctions on russia far, far beyond what was implemented the last time russia invaded ukraine in 2014. and that the u.s. is prepared to help ukraine defend its territory if in fact russia invades. now, russia already has a bit of a blueprint for this. you may recall they invaded and annexed a part of ukraine back in 2014 and are clearly still incredible aggressive in all of this. if russia wasn t sufficiently deterred by the international response in 2014, what can we do differently this time around? joining us now, ben rhodes who was deputy national security
that further if there is an invasion and have you received any assurances from germany when chancellor murkel was here, there was a discussion about what to do if russia wasn t honest with the gas supplies. but nothing came of. that even though there were some pretty saber rattling by the russians in recent months. have you now received assurances from germany that they will, in fact, not proceed with that? so, in response to an earlier question, i said i wasn t going to get into the specific sanctions measures that we intend to impose. although, we will be communicating those directly to our russian counterparts and we will be working through them detail by detail with our european counterparts. what i will tell you is the subject of the future of nordstream 2 in the context of an invasion of ukraine via russia in the coming weeks is a topic of utmost priority. it has been discussed